Animal Mansion 4??? (Dev Thread)

[Algene]

2 hours ago, raeder87 said:

Oh no, talking with animals is always an epic fail feature in every skyrim mods. Most of the players cant even interact with animals other than the activity dialog, but thats still not chatting. 

I remember it being possible in some mods back in 2014, any of Saguine's debauchery canine quests and that one mod that let you be Meeko's bitch, but never tried any mod with that feature in SE, so no idea really.

[alster523]

Just now, Algene said:

I remember it being possible in some mods back in 2014, any of Saguine's debauchery canine quests and that one mod that let you be Meeko's bitch, but never tried any mod with that feature in SE, so no idea really.

I highly doubt that it cant be done just if making it work seamlessly would be worth the time and effort it would take.

[PippinTom]

1 hour ago, monty359 said:

lots of beasts tell my PC , that the jarl was wise to make my PC a public whore

 

I'm not sure if it's accurate example of what those beasts were able to say there, but assuming it is so - then actually that kind of remark would be easily made by any drunkard or beggar passed by - not really what I was hoping for in AM as it's kinda waste of writer's opportunity to use animal's really different perception of what is going on. Simply putting human words in animal's mouth essentially turns them into irritating brat; like smartass kid which repeats oneliners which it probably does not even understand fully but since everyone is laughing it thinks that it's cool to continue. ?

Edited December 18, 2021 by PippinTom

[tasairis]

51 minutes ago, PippinTom said:

I'm not sure if it's accurate example of what those beasts were able to say there, but assuming it is so - then actually that kind of remark would be easily made by any drunkard or beggar passed by - not really what I was hoping for in AM as it's kinda waste of writer's opportunity to use animal's really different perception of what is going on. Simply putting human words in animal's mouth essentially turns them into irritating brat; like smartass kid which repeats oneliners which it probably does not even understand fully but since everyone is laughing it thinks that it's cool to continue. ?

 

What I'm imagining is very much more along the lines of talking from the animal's point of view. There's still going to be some anthropomorphism in the conversation because otherwise you have to deal with an animal on the animal's own level of intelligence and that's boring - and it's not like animals are completely clueless about the human world around them anyway.

 

Consider Bailey. He shouldn't have dialogue like "Hey baby, wanna fuck?" or the more eloquent "Greetings Dragonborn*, how are you?" He's a dog. He thinks like a dog and he acts like a dog. He's going to greet you like "Hello friend of mate!" and he's going to comment like "You smell of animal. Where is animal?" and he's going to ask "Friend want sex? Friend sex with Bailey?" (Trying not to rip off Up! too much but that personality feels right.)

 

And if you go out into the world, tame animals you don't know would treat you like other NPCs you don't know would: as a stranger. That said, NPCs do have this odd tendency to hold conversations with you about whatever subject you ask them about, even if it's their personal life, but we can just count that as being friendly. So a horse isn't going to think of you as a threat, but will treat you cautiously as not-their-owner**. A chicken is going to be dumb as a brick.

 

The non-tame animals are more difficult because most of them tend to be predators who want to kill you... But hypothetically, if they've been convinced to not kill you, you have pack animals like wolves who view you as a high-risk outsider who might be trying to hunt and kill them, and you have trolls who are brutish but still capable of some basic intelligence. Draugr are mindless zombies animated to perform tasks, werewolves are people who've lost control of their beast side, Falmer are intelligent but very angry at the rest of the world, and dragons consider themselves superior to just about everyone else. On the prey side, they tend to run away from you out of a deeply-rooted fear, but if a creature that could speak their language approached cautiously, a curious deer would probably be more willing to see what you want than a small fox.

 

Anyway, getting off the subject there.

 

 

* Skyrim pet peeve #283764: when the NPC calls the player "Dragonborn" even though they would have no knowledge of that (so followers and Delphine and whoever are exempt). Sure, the dragons are back, and sure, rumor is there's someone running around the province Shouting at things so apparently there's a Dragonborn again, but it's not like there's posters up saying "Be on the lookout for this person! They're the Dragonborn!" You're not a celebrity. You're that annoying asshole trying to pawn off 200 iron daggers on some poor merchant.

** The fact that you can just up and steal horses doesn't help this a whole lot, but as prey animals they probably could just say "okay, whatever, new owner now" and go with it.

[alster523]

1 hour ago, tasairis said:

 

* Skyrim pet peeve #283764: when the NPC calls the player "Dragonborn" even though they would have no knowledge of that (so followers and Delphine and whoever are exempt). Sure, the dragons are back, and sure, rumor is there's someone running around the province Shouting at things so apparently there's a Dragonborn again, but it's not like there's posters up saying "Be on the lookout for this person! They're the Dragonborn!" You're not a celebrity. You're that annoying asshole trying to pawn off 200 iron daggers on some poor merchant.

** The fact that you can just up and steal horses doesn't help this a whole lot, but as prey animals they probably could just say "okay, whatever, new owner now" and go with it.

Who else but tje dragonbrone would think that i a humble,clothing merchant would buy200 iron daggers.

[tasairis]

3 hours ago, alster523 said:

Who else but tje dragonbrone would think that i a humble,clothing merchant would buy200 iron daggers.

 

[alster523]

8 hours ago, tasairis said:

 

Quality response 10/10

[Mocap_]

Something I've always thought AM needed would be something Hircine related

 

Hircine could be a way to have any curse or deadra related story lines

Or a pretty good way to introduce new mansion members and their stories

some half baked ideas I had:

 

An Alchemist/Hunter, who hates poachers, and make potions to "get closer" to the animals ( could be a good way to get/rescue some of the wilder animals)

The She-Bear, A strong Nord warrior with a preference ( Nord women are called She-Bears, so why not make it true)

A (crazy?) Dark Elf, who believes she is Barenziah, and wants some thing new to fuck with (half of Tamriel thinks the real barenziah was a massive slut anyways)(maybe she has a cult or something)

A Thief, who has a bad habit of getting caught, but not by the guards ( other than that she's a great Thief) (break her out of jail or steal stuff with her IDK?)

An Antisocial Mage, quiet girl who found "friends" a different way ( help her break out of her shell)

 

Kinda just companion archetypes, fun to travel and fuck with ?

[tasairis]

2 hours ago, Mocap_ said:

Something I've always thought AM needed would be something Hircine related

 

Hircine could be a way to have any curse or deadra related story lines

Or a pretty good way to introduce new mansion members and their stories

 

I don't plan to get too heavily into the Daedric stuff, like there have been ideas about some underlying backstory to either the Mansion or an NPC that I'm not too keen on, but some sort of Dibella/Hircine set of quests would be fine.

 

Meanwhile all 3 NPCs planned so far have backstories and I don't have much of a need for a fourth. At least not a fourth main character.

 

2 hours ago, Mocap_ said:

An Alchemist/Hunter, who hates poachers, and make potions to "get closer" to the animals ( could be a good way to get/rescue some of the wilder animals)

 

Sounds like a recurring side character, similar to Abelone (who will get a longer running arc). Possibly as a mechanism to get access to some animals, though some of the "wilder" ones have already been accounted for.

 

2 hours ago, Mocap_ said:

The She-Bear, A strong Nord warrior with a preference ( Nord women are called She-Bears, so why not make it true)

 

You mean like Aela?

 

2 hours ago, Mocap_ said:

A (crazy?) Dark Elf, who believes she is Barenziah, and wants some thing new to fuck with (half of Tamriel thinks the real barenziah was a massive slut anyways)(maybe she has a cult or something)

 

Would depend a lot on the lore. There's also characters like Queen Potema, and I'd even like to do something with the fictional (?) character of Palla.

 

2 hours ago, Mocap_ said:

A Thief, who has a bad habit of getting caught, but not by the guards ( other than that she's a great Thief) (break her out of jail or steal stuff with her IDK?)

 

"Thief has a problem with guard dogs" sounds like a radiant quest - that's an easy one. Would have to think of how to turn jailbreaking or theft into a useable quest...

 

2 hours ago, Mocap_ said:

An Antisocial Mage, quiet girl who found "friends" a different way ( help her break out of her shell)

 

Also similar to Abelone, but something along the lines of an NPC having trouble fit in could be another radiant quest - but I'm not really sure how to make the idea.

 

2 hours ago, Mocap_ said:

Kinda just companion archetypes, fun to travel and fuck with ?

 

So what you're aiming for is personality in (some) characters?

 

There will be a number of arc (multi-part) quests based on particular characters, some vanilla and some new, with some kind of general theme. Such as Abelone and her new friends. And any character that gets a name I do try to put some amount of personality into.

[raeder87]

Idk much about the male npc you are planning to implement (maybe you are on the same track), but all these npc brainstorming here give me an idea.  Wouldnt it be more fitting that this man is not a human, but a khajit or perhaps an argonian?  ?

[killer905]

2 hours ago, tasairis said:

The She-Bear, A strong Nord warrior with a preference ( Nord women are called She-Bears, so why not make it true)

 

You mean like Aela?

Ooo, i know a girl with this. Her name is Ria form companions. :3

 

She always say: "Oh, hey there. I killed a bear yesterday. Did you kill anything?" but we know how she kill a bear. Muhehe

[alster523]

2 hours ago, killer905 said:

Ooo, i know a girl with this. Her name is Ria form companions. :3

 

She always say: "Oh, hey there. I killed a bear yesterday. Did you kill anything?" but we know how she kill a bear. Muhehe

Death by Snu-Snu.

[tasairis]

9 hours ago, raeder87 said:

Idk much about the male npc you are planning to implement (maybe you are on the same track), but all these npc brainstorming here give me an idea.  Wouldnt it be more fitting that this man is not a human, but a khajit or perhaps an argonian?  ?

 

Who?

 

So far Jesper is the only male NPC, though there may be one or two other minor male characters later (much later). Why just the one? Because there's simply not that much bestiality content for males, and given the choice between female NPCs available for sex vs. male NPCs not available for sex, guess which wins?

[tasairis]

8 hours ago, killer905 said:

Ooo, i know a girl with this. Her name is Ria form companions. :3

 

She always say: "Oh, hey there. I killed a bear yesterday. Did you kill anything?" but we know how she kill a bear. Muhehe

 

Ria? She's the weakest of the three personalities. If you want someone aggressive, that's Njada.

[killer905]

26 minutes ago, tasairis said:

 

Ria? She's the weakest of the three personalities. If you want someone aggressive, that's Njada.

True, but Njada would fuck people faster than animals, somehow that doesn't suit her or wants us to think so.

 

Don't have a future update though. :3

[Ade4u1]

hmmm an interesting debate topic. Njada or Ria?  As far as ... companions... go

[tasairis]

4 hours ago, Ade4u1 said:

hmmm an interesting debate topic. Njada or Ria?  As far as ... companions... go

 

According to my list of animations I've gathered from popular packs, as long as you like horses or werewolves or a few other animals, you can have both of them.

[MadMansGun]

On 12/17/2021 at 1:21 PM, PippinTom said:

 

wow, didn't know that there is any - can you name one?

first thing that comes to mind:

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/9489-skat-the-rat/

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/5770-phillip-the-talking-horse/

and i'm sure there are more on nexus as well.

 

On 12/17/2021 at 1:38 PM, raeder87 said:

 

A forsworn story. There were multiple times when players supposed talk with animals and they couldnt even see the interact button.

sounds like they forgot to add the "defaultAllowPCDialogueScript" to there creature npcs.

[Violence6884]

On 12/16/2021 at 3:28 PM, Algene said:

 

"Thaena Can't Communicate" ;3

[keflyn]

I can't remember if you have already answered this, but are you continuing the Thaena romance questline? I was always a little dissapointed how it was never finished in the previous versions.

[tasairis]

41 minutes ago, keflyn said:

I can't remember if you have already answered this, but are you continuing the Thaena romance questline? I was always a little dissapointed how it was never finished in the previous versions.

 

Yes.

[ChrisHPZ]

Hi tasairis, hope you had a great holiday. I was wondering if you're going to make a dedicated mod page anytime soon. Finding the latest download links can be a bit of a chore given all the comments in this topic. 

 

My Best

[albiondave]

First off.  Love the mod @tasairis and appreciate the effort you have and are putting in.  Greatly looking forward to seeing where you go with the remaining work.   (And we discussed some time back about the player's character having their own dog...  please keep this on the wish list!  The german shepherd or the golden retriever textures!)

 

Based on how impressed I am with the work so far, this isn't a gripe but is anyone else having any/all of the following bugs (if it's the mod then it saves me looking into my load order!)...

 

The horses have disappeared.   I complete the quest, lead them to the stalls and then next time I return they are gone, never to be seen again.

 

With both the wolf and the bear, saving "Nevermind" causes me to mount and invisible horse.   Having once "ridden" the wolf and bear, I am then plagued by them following me around Skyrim (not together...  the wolf sticks to Falkreath, but the bear prefers Markarth/Ivarstead), so whenever I take a carriage somewhere, one or the other tends to be there waiting for me.

 

The middle lines of the dialog frequently zip past really quickly.  Have Fus Ro D'Oh running normally and it's not all the time, but frequent enough to be missing out on one of the best parts of @tasairis contribution ... good, immersive, realistic dialog.

 

 

Anyone else having some/all of these issues or do I need to strip back to basics and do some testing for the offending mod(s)?

 

 

[And to add to the debate about naming.... stick to AM4 until you are finished, then, if all goes to plan I think you will have earned "Animal Mansion: The Definitive Edition" 

Edited December 27, 2021 by albiondave

[Violence6884]

This is unrelated to AM, but where would the best place on LL be, to post some Papyrus logs in order to get help with a CTD that surfaced the last few days? I really can't quite understand the info there well enough, to pinpoint what could be going wrong.

[ChrisHPZ]

2 hours ago, Violence6884 said:

This is unrelated to AM, but where would the best place on LL be, to post some Papyrus logs in order to get help with a CTD that surfaced the last few days? I really can't quite understand the info there well enough, to pinpoint what could be going wrong.

 

Just create a new topic in the appropriate forum.