Animal Mansion 4??? (Dev Thread)

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, tasairis said:

A sign here or there would be okay, but the kind of compatibility issues that creates can't quite be solved by the MCM. All a menu can do is toggle whether the posters are visible in the world - plugin conflicts will happen one way or another, as each one means a cell edit.

 

Are you thinking about there being indications that the Mansion exists in a sort of general way? What if various containers here and there had a "poster", like if someone found one and brought it home. Talking mostly about containers like dressers, but the occasional NPC could be carrying one too. Naturally they're not visible - have to go picking pockets or looting containers/bodies to come across them. Would be only a minor "immersion" thing if done that way.

Another thing is adding a rumor for innkeepers. Not one that triggers a quest, just some comment they make.

I know the MCM wouldn't be able to resolve compatibility issues, thats why i mentioned using it to completely remove the posters if there are compatibility issues. I really like the idea of Thaena advertising her business some. What if Thaena sends the player character to place the posters? If the player doesn't want to, they can just pay off a courier and they appear few days later. I'm not too fond of the idea of the posters being placed in inventories to be honest.

[tasairis]

34 minutes ago, skyrim482 said:

I think Jala is a need honestly.

She'll be showing up soon. In fact, I think she's going to appear before Jesper does.

 

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You can use her for "backgroud" activities that just adds some more depth.

She'll also want to accompany the player for some of the main quests.

 

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Another npc integration Basement Caretaker- With all those creatures, someone needs to look after them.. I know you were considering a vet but it doesn't have to be that complicated.

I'd have to check my notes, but the vet won't be complicated. I'm also not sure they will be a background character - might be more of an on-call-as-needed sort of thing.

 

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You could invite an npc of your own choosing who is maybe a returning customer or whatever. You ask them if they would consider working at the mansion since they like the animails so much. They could be a caretaker in the basement and "relax" the creatures as much as they wanted to. most of the time they would be just sweeping and doing ambient things though. Party invites are optional, possibly employees only Special party night? 

Minor problem: I can't take one of the NPC clients and repurpose them for this. Because of reasons I don't want to get into until v0.5 happens. So a caretaker would have to be someone special for that purpose.

Regardless of that, the caretaker idea thing has been mostly planned out, and in fact the ball has already started rolling... It does overlap with a lot of what you said, though.

[tasairis]

5 minutes ago, Shadow Lurker said:

I really like the idea of Thaena advertising her business some.

Yes, Thaena is definitely going to want advertising.

 

Are you saying you'd like to see her play a more important role in advertising, or just kinda thinking about advertising in general?
An example of the difference would be Thaena making posters vs. the player spreading the word while out in the world. My plans were all for the latter, if only because that's more hands-on.

 

5 minutes ago, Shadow Lurker said:

What if Thaena sends the player character to place the posters? If the player doesn't want to, they can just pay off a courier and they appear few days later.

The act of distributing posters without in-game changes is easy enough, and there could be a radiant quest to take a bundle to an inn somewhere. Paying someone else to distribute them (presumably an innkeeper, who'd presumably hire someone else to do it) could be an option. So that part is simple enough.

 

Placing posters... well, there is a way to place posters without having to make cell edits, and it should be just as reliable as baking it into the cell directly... so I guess that would work out after all...

[skyrim482]

4 hours ago, tasairis said:

The act of distributing posters without in-game changes is easy enough, and there could be a radiant quest to take a bundle to an inn somewhere. Paying someone else to distribute them (presumably an innkeeper, who'd presumably hire someone else to do it) could be an option. So that part is simple enough.

Well when you do things like the dog/ horse show, even the companion quests, Onlookers may ask about more information and you can pass out fliers to them as well as the breeder. It would give the impression that word is spreading without having to edit world spaces. 

Maybe fans can buy a poster from Theana at the mansion. "Jesper grudgingly sits in the corner and paints another poster for a happy customer"

However this may bring out those who oppose the player, Theana and the mansion. I know you have something about possible opposition or even competition in mind this would be a could way to bring that out. Alot of skyrim might look down on this Practice and others will embrace it.

[tasairis]

15 hours ago, tasairis said:

Placing posters... well, there is a way to place posters without having to make cell edits, and it should be just as reliable as baking it into the cell directly... so I guess that would work out after all...

Silly argument: I "have" to make edits anyways for things like markers and (later) new locations, so saying I need to avoid it now is dumb.

 

Cell edits are fine. I'll just have to remember to note that the load order for the plugin is pretty high. Which should be implied by it being an ESM. (That's being one of the breaking changes coming - in fact, the most breaking-est of them all.)

[tasairis]

12 hours ago, skyrim482 said:

Well when you do things like the dog/ horse show, even the companion quests, Onlookers may ask about more information and you can pass out fliers to them as well as the breeder. It would give the impression that word is spreading without having to edit world spaces.

That's essentially what I was going to do. Word of mouth.

 

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Maybe fans can buy a poster from Theana at the mansion. "Jesper grudgingly sits in the corner and paints another poster for a happy customer"

Not sure if joke, but I think I like the idea.

 

I can imagine Jesper complaining about needing to draw a nude of Thaena with some animal, and she refusing to let him see her naked...

Thaena: "Not happening, Jesper. Use your imagination."

Thaena: "Wait, no, I take that back. Don't do that either. I don't want you even thinking about me without my clothes on."

Jesper:  "But how am I supposed to draw this if I don't know how you look?"

Thaena: "Figure it out."

Jesper: "I guess... maybe, if I changed the pose, I could use Jala instead? You two look enough alike."

Jala: "Fine with me."

Thaena: "Perfect! Problem solved."

 

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However this may bring out those who oppose the player, Theana and the mansion. I know you have something about possible opposition or even competition in mind this would be a could way to bring that out. Alot of skyrim might look down on this Practice and others will embrace it.

You're pretty much right on: the Mansion will grow in both popularity and unpopularity, and eventually there will be a Final Straw that will push some people over the edge.

[skyrim482]

5 hours ago, tasairis said:

Not sure if joke, but I think I like the idea.

I can imagine Jesper complaining about needing to draw a nude of Thaena with some animal, and she refusing to let him see her naked...

Thaena: "Not happening, Jesper. Use your imagination."

Thaena: "Wait, no, I take that back. Don't do that either. I don't want you even thinking about me without my clothes on."

Jesper:  "But how am I supposed to draw this if I don't know how you look?"

Thaena: "Figure it out."

Jesper: "I guess... maybe, if I changed the pose, I could use Jala instead? You two look enough alike."

Jala: "Fine with me."

Thaena: "Perfect! Problem solved."

It was certainly meant to be funny, however I knew if implemented it would fit right in with the banter and humor that has already existed in this mods history. If im not mistaken there is a painting stand asset in Vanilla game. If Jesper gets too annoying (which I hope is dialed down a bit from previous versions) you can tell him to shut up and go to the corner and paint. If you wanted to make it Hilarious you could just have it be a picture witch stick figures on the stand that Jesper shows you and Theana after hours of hard work.....

On a side note Bards are supposed to be entertainment professionals its lore friendly to have them be artists too.  

Maybe he learned from Fallout Bob Ross..

[skyrim482]

Im just off topic at this point.

[Keygain]

Dying waiting for an update keep up the gd work

[tasairis]

I don't like the name "Animal Mansion Extended" anymore. It's a weird word to use, and it's not really extended but done over from the ground up.

Suggestions?

 

- Can't do anything R* because that acronyms to AMR. Unfortunately that rules out all Re* possibilities: redone, rewritten, rebooted...

- Can't do anything P* because that acronyms to AMP

- Should still say "Animal Mansion" one way or another

- Bonus points for not making it be "Animal Mansion <adjective>"

- Bonus points for the acronym being something unique I can use as a filter in Creation Kit without it including a bunch of other unrelated things

- Bonus points for a joke, like "Animal Mansion: Sisterhood" or "Animal Mansion Sharp" (and no, I don't like those)

 

No rush. If I can't come up with anything before v1.0 then I'll probably switch to "Expanded".

[wildtangent]

20 minutes ago, tasairis said:

I don't like the name "Animal Mansion Extended" anymore. It's a weird word to use, and it's not really extended but done over from the ground up.

Suggestions?

 

- Can't do anything R* because that acronyms to AMR. Unfortunately that rules out all Re* possibilities: redone, rewritten, rebooted...

- Can't do anything P* because that acronyms to AMP

- Should still say "Animal Mansion" one way or another

- Bonus points for not making it be "Animal Mansion <adjective>"

- Bonus points for the acronym being something unique I can use as a filter in Creation Kit without it including a bunch of other unrelated things

- Bonus points for a joke, like "Animal Mansion: Sisterhood" or "Animal Mansion Sharp" (and no, I don't like those)

 

No rush. If I can't come up with anything before v1.0 then I'll probably switch to "Expanded".

AMWR or AMRW animal Mansion Rewrite, AMRD  Animal Mansion Redone.

[skyrim482]

3 hours ago, tasairis said:

I don't like the name "Animal Mansion Extended" anymore. It's a weird word to use, and it's not really extended but done over from the ground up.

Suggestions?

 

- Can't do anything R* because that acronyms to AMR. Unfortunately that rules out all Re* possibilities: redone, rewritten, rebooted...

- Can't do anything P* because that acronyms to AMP

- Should still say "Animal Mansion" one way or another

- Bonus points for not making it be "Animal Mansion <adjective>"

- Bonus points for the acronym being something unique I can use as a filter in Creation Kit without it including a bunch of other unrelated things

- Bonus points for a joke, like "Animal Mansion: Sisterhood" or "Animal Mansion Sharp" (and no, I don't like those)

 

No rush. If I can't come up with anything before v1.0 then I'll probably switch to "Expanded".

The Animal Mansion Saga, The Animal Mansion Wild Edition

You could get more creative If you just kept Mansion.

Here is some; The Knotty Mansion, Knotty-Sister Mansion, The Exotic Mansion, Wild Mansion. The Juicy Mansion.

Creative other options: The Animal Guild  ( everything has a guild in elder scrolls)

 

Also are you planning a 0.4 release or just going to keep working and release a 1.0? 

 

[Dragon on the Web]

1 hour ago, tasairis said:

I don't like the name "Animal Mansion Extended" anymore. It's a weird word to use, and it's not really extended but done over from the ground up.

Suggestions?

 

- Can't do anything R* because that acronyms to AMR. Unfortunately that rules out all Re* possibilities: redone, rewritten, rebooted...

- Can't do anything P* because that acronyms to AMP

- Should still say "Animal Mansion" one way or another

- Bonus points for not making it be "Animal Mansion <adjective>"

- Bonus points for the acronym being something unique I can use as a filter in Creation Kit without it including a bunch of other unrelated things

- Bonus points for a joke, like "Animal Mansion: Sisterhood" or "Animal Mansion Sharp" (and no, I don't like those)

 

No rush. If I can't come up with anything before v1.0 then I'll probably switch to "Expanded".

Animal Manor

[tasairis]

1 hour ago, skyrim482 said:

Also are you planning a 0.4 release or just going to keep working and release a 1.0? 

Still going to do 0.4 but it'll have the next two main quests at this rate. Got a bunch of other things going into it too, like a "completed" MCM, bug fixes, the switch to being an ESM, improving the animation selection code to fix gender issues once and for all ?, other bug fixes, rewriting and adding the rest of the dialogue I had pulled out earlier, dealing with some technical debt regarding scripts that had been building up to the point of being a nuisance, redoing quest stages so they can be advanced from the console (including official support for quest skipping, which I've changed my mind about allowing) and probably fixing a few more bugs while I'm in there.

[iamknotsatisfied]

I don't like the Animal Mansion start.

Thaena has already bought the mansion in a very low population town which has very few visitors to run it as an Inn. It doesn't make any sense.

How would an innkeeper practice animal love? you don't get much privacy as an innkeeper.

But I think falkreath makes the most sense for a business like Animal Mansion as it very remote, small town whose Jarl is a bit devious.

So how about you meet Thaena and discover her kinky hobby and then you help her construct the mansion in Falkreath.

Or with the hearthstone DLC why not make a player home the mansion

[tasairis]

1 hour ago, /bash boy said:

Thaena has already bought the mansion in a very low population town which has very few visitors to run it as an Inn. It doesn't make any sense.

If you use your imagination I bet you can come up with an explanation for that.

 

1 hour ago, /bash boy said:

How would an innkeeper practice animal love? you don't get much privacy as an innkeeper.

If you use your imagination I bet you can come up with an explanation for that.

 

1 hour ago, /bash boy said:

So how about you meet Thaena and discover her kinky hobby and then you help her construct the mansion in Falkreath.

If you want to have to build the Mansion before getting to use it then I suggest you check out Animal Mansion Redux.

 

1 hour ago, /bash boy said:

Or with the hearthstone DLC why not make a player home the mansion

Because it's Thaena's business. not yours.

[iamknotsatisfied]

Spoiler

 

14 minutes ago, tasairis said:

If you use your imagination I bet you can come up with an explanation for that.

 

If you use your imagination I bet you can come up with an explanation for that.

 

If you want to have to build the Mansion before getting to use it then I suggest you check out Animal Mansion Redux.

 

Because it's Thaena's business. not yours.

I understand that you don't want to have choices for the mansion because it is lot of work. But I still take issue with the mansion already being there.

[lanastara]

35 minutes ago, tasairis said:

If you use your imagination I bet you can come up with an explanation for that.

 

If you use your imagination I bet you can come up with an explanation for that.

 

If you want to have to build the Mansion before getting to use it then I suggest you check out Animal Mansion Redux.

 

Because it's Thaena's business. not yours.

those things that need Immagination are either magic or made by the dwarves (works for everything in the elder scrolls) ^^

[beau nidle]

11 hours ago, tasairis said:

I don't like the name "Animal Mansion Extended" anymore. It's a weird word to use, and it's not really extended but done over from the ground up.

Suggestions?

 

- Can't do anything R* because that acronyms to AMR. Unfortunately that rules out all Re* possibilities: redone, rewritten, rebooted...

- Can't do anything P* because that acronyms to AMP

- Should still say "Animal Mansion" one way or another

- Bonus points for not making it be "Animal Mansion <adjective>"

- Bonus points for the acronym being something unique I can use as a filter in Creation Kit without it including a bunch of other unrelated things

- Bonus points for a joke, like "Animal Mansion: Sisterhood" or "Animal Mansion Sharp" (and no, I don't like those)

 

No rush. If I can't come up with anything before v1.0 then I'll probably switch to "Expanded".

The New Animal Mansion? NAM works I think

[Khrusaor]

Maybe something simple like Thaena's Animal Mansion?

[HardRaine]

Animal Mansion: The Knotted Hole Inn (or AMtkhi.  Pronounced "am tiki"  Wanna tok?)   "Welcome to The Knotted Hole Inn, infamous home of Bailey.  He's bad to the bone!  So come on pretty mama; take off those pants, and stay awhile" "You can check-in anytime you like, but you can never leave!"

 

Love the remodeling job done on Bailey and the sale dawgs.  However, neither will re-enter the mansion, but do not have similar issues with Inns or other occupied buildings.  Bailey camps in the stable (which will become an issue in my profiles, as I have random dragon and assassin attacks following my bow-legged beauty everywhere she goes).  Using SSX events, the male sale dawg enjoyed fucking his way from Rorikstead back to the mansion.  He nailed travelers, Inn patrons, townie NPCs, and others.  That one really is bad to the bone! 

Notes 

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Think Brain teleported the animals back inside automatically, as it's definitely a positive to not have NPCs wandering in at random, especially combatants.  But definitely like the new feature of having to get the acquired animals back to the mansion, as it provides new windows of opportunities along the way back home.  Note: I run ClefJ's Half Moon Mill and The Crossroads Inn mods, which add two more taverns/villages on the route from Rorikstead back to the mansion.  Lots of windows now in an otherwise largely ignored expanse of terrain  (also run Immersive Daedra Worship, and that temple lies between Half Moon Mill and The Crossroads Inn,  but that's a whole different kettle of fish).  The Crossroads tavern interior is fairly tight on space, which adds to its charm, but the sale dawg had no problem nailing every female in the joint, lol.  TWICE!  He's a "love me two times" kind of dawg!}

Gratuitous Sex Ahead  After buying the dawgs, Mysteria held a promotional event in the Rorikstead Inn, announcing to the town elders the services available to the public at the new and improved Animal Mansion.  What a marketing campaign!  "To get ahead, sometimes you have to give head.  And then take a walk on the wild side!"  Advanced marketing for the win!

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After fooling around with the 2 Solitude guard pups (More Aroused Creatures SE), Mysteria decided to head for the Animal Mansion...as it sounded fun!  { the blur is from the SL Drunk Redux mod, as that's a fun little mod to mess around with too.  Also run Cannabis Skyrim, and add Scent of Sex (SSX) events around smoking blunts, which can lead to wild sex parties right on the spot.  New vulnerabilities add spice to an otherwise dull Skyrim }

 

 

After the Rorikstead dog sale, Mysteria went on an advanced marketing campaign at the local Inn.  The Rorikstead elders voiced their opinion on a new business selling sex.  Their response was overwhelmingly positive!  In fact, this old curmudgeon, an antisocial town elder, said; "Let's do this!  Or you.  Whichever"

 

 

Such handsome dawgs!  I found it works best to load AMX after Hentai Creatures SE, More Nasty Critters SE, Sexlab Aroused Creatures SE, but before Animated Beast Cocks SE.  Does not seem to be compatible with the More Nasty Critters-Always Erect mod.  Running that mod seems to make the AMX huskies invisible.  MNC-AE was one solution for the pre12.5 MNC arousal issues with Creature Framework 2.0.  Solution:  retooled the creature environment to run on MNC 12.5, Creature Framework 1.1-pre, with no MNC-AE needed, so the critters now have their guns without assistance.

 

Final Note:  With AM+, I found the newly added quests to be somewhat buggy, and could cause the mod to reset, going into an unknown state making the mod unuseable after it bugged out (college, high hrothgar, and the downstairs parties).   The intriguing story with the necromancer seemed to be incomplete also...

[tasairis]

15 hours ago, /bash boy said:

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I understand that you don't want to have choices for the mansion because it is lot of work. But I still take issue with the mansion already being there.

You "take issue" with it? I'm not sure I understand. That's the kind of thing someone would say if they were offended or, like, personally attacked. And I can't imagine how that happened.

 

My opinion is that the majority of people who are interested in the Animal Mansion mod are not going to download it because it lets them build a player home, and in fact want to get to the Naughty Bits sooner rather than later. Myself included. It has a chance to fulfill one singular purpose very well, and spending not just my own time and effort but the player's as well towards unrelated purposes isn't going to help that.

It's like a recipe on someone's blog: forcing me to wade through pages of the author reminiscing about how a blueberry pie brought them closer to their late grandmother is just going to make me hit the Back button and try another site. Is it going to appeal to someone who likes getting emotionally invested in these sorts of things? Absolutely. But everyone else is just trying to find a good recipe for a blueberry pie - and if I someday transcribe my own recipe for internet posterity, I know that the first thing on my page is going to be a bulleted list of ingredients.

 

There's more to it than that, though. Like I don't want to copy AMR. And building a custom mansion is a hassle. And I want to stay fairly close to the original mod until I run out of content to borrow and start writing my own. And I already have plans for (coughspoiler) the Mansion moving to a new place with a building process that can optionally work like HF's system.

 

So I'm not sure what I can tell you. Want a new player home? Enjoy base building? This probably isn't going to be the mod for you. Want to fuck animals? That I can help you with.

[skyrim482]

I would prefer to NOT go through a mansion building process and I think alot of other people would agree. In AMR it was stupid grindy and just annoying. Sticking to the basic core of the original mod like what your doing, and expanding on the dialogue / story is all most of us want. Im not sure how that offends anyone, but they can certainly choose not download it.

Keep up Your Good work.

[Keygain]

 

I would prefer to NOT go through a mansion building process and I think alot of other people would agree. In AMR it was stupid grindy and just annoying. Sticking to the basic core of the original mod like what your doing, and expanding on the dialogue / story is all most of us want. Im not sure how that offends anyone, but they can certainly choose not download it.

Keep up Your Good work.

Instead of (building the mansion) what about mely investing in it or a quest to get the permission for the construction/start of the mansion as in the original but giving the player a sense of accomplishment on bringing it to skyrim and doin curtain quests/investments to improve/extend the mansion e.g adding rooms for customers after a day of fucking for a good nights rest, can improve sleeping quarters for animals/creatures - more animals and creatures of adding compatability for IC and other mods, but i do know adding and changing stuff to mods is a lot of work i'm just speculating on possibilities

 

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oh few ideas on the name and got carried away abit

 

Creature Comforts Mansion

The Companions Nature Mansion

Creatures Helping Hand Mansion

Wildlifes Motive Mansion

[Gristle]

Name Ideas:

 

Animal Mansion Stories

Animal Mansion Tales