Animal Mansion 4??? (Dev Thread)

[tasairis]

21 hours ago, prometheusx said:

I think the forsworn story is too long.

You have cut the background story of Thaena, because you felt it is too much monologue.

But for Thaena i think it is interesting, she i a main character, while the horse trader is just a onetimer (i think).

Yeah, it is long.

 

It's basically a first draft - to get the whole thing out of my head so I can do other things. Kinda like how Thaena's monologue originally was. And like that one, I'll come back to the Forsworn thing at some point and do some pruning.

 

21 hours ago, prometheusx said:

I would be nice, if the horses could go into the stable. Like turnaround and stay there.

In the moment there just standing right next to the mansions door after i brought them.

They're actually supposed to do that. It's a minor bug already on my list to fix.
They do go into the stall after the quest finishes so it's probably a small oversight somewhere.

[prometheusx]

Another minor thing, all the food in the mansion has an owner. i could only steal it.

But as a partner of Thaena wouldn't it be logical that i could take it?

[tasairis]

8 hours ago, prometheusx said:

Another minor thing, all the food in the mansion has an owner. i could only steal it.

But as a partner of Thaena wouldn't it be logical that i could take it?

Have you completed the prologue quest? What version of AMX did you have installed when you did?

[prometheusx]

I was a new character with version 0.30.

The food came in after the dog fetching or after the horses, not sure.

At the prologue there where no food as intended. 

 

 

[DIO over Za Warudo]

So here's a potential suggestion, perhaps certain events that are part of quests could have an option to replay them or have them be repeating events?

 

Such as the orgy party with the Companions, the one with the contest for who can last the longest fucking wolves/werewolves? That mission was always my favorite of the original questlines, and having that event be a recurring one would be fantastic. Sort of like the basement party feature, maybe it could be something you could request or check to see if it's available to do again. The original dialogue hinted that the Companions have those bestiality orgies somewhat regularly, so it could fit in my opinion.

[tasairis]

20 hours ago, prometheusx said:

I was a new character with version 0.30.

The food came in after the dog fetching or after the horses, not sure.

At the prologue there where no food as intended. 

Huh. So I assume everything is marked as owned, not just the food? Can you post your Papyrus log? Check that it mentions the "A Journey of 1000 Animals" (search for that) quest and that it does a SetStage(99). Might have to go back further than the .0 log file.

[tasairis]

3 hours ago, Aizen525 said:

So here's a potential suggestion, perhaps certain events that are part of quests could have an option to replay them or have them be repeating events?

 

Such as the orgy party with the Companions, the one with the contest for who can last the longest fucking wolves/werewolves? That mission was always my favorite of the original questlines, and having that event be a recurring one would be fantastic. Sort of like the basement party feature, maybe it could be something you could request or check to see if it's available to do again. The original dialogue hinted that the Companions have those bestiality orgies somewhat regularly, so it could fit in my opinion.

Already will be ?

[prometheusx]

I had logging disabled.

So i enabled it and did i again, but this time the food and other things weren't owned.

Strange. Maybe i started this character with an older version and updated later. 

[DIO over Za Warudo]

15 hours ago, tasairis said:

Already will be ?

Sweet. Glad I don't have to keep a save right before the Companions quest to go back to every time I feel like it!

[tasairis]

3 hours ago, Aizen525 said:

Sweet. Glad I don't have to keep a save right before the Companions quest to go back to every time I feel like it!

You can start the quest from the console and it works like normal:

startquest na_mq_wolf

 

[tasairis]

4 hours ago, prometheusx said:

I had logging disabled.

So i enabled it and did i again, but this time the food and other things weren't owned.

Strange. Maybe i started this character with an older version and updated later. 

Even if, it should have added you to the ownership faction (so the items are still owned but you can take them) when you installed 0.3.
But besides reading through the code again, there's not much I can do without a Papyrus log.

[Dieork]

On 10/4/2020 at 6:48 AM, prometheusx said:

I think the forsworn story is too long.

You have cut the background story of Thaena, because you felt it is too much monologue.

But for Thaena i think it is interesting, she i a main character, while the horse trader is just a onetimer (i think).

 

I would be nice, if the horses could go into the stable. Like turnaround and stay there.

In the moment there just standing right next to the mansions door after i brought them.

I really liked the forsworn story, it was some thing new and I hope to see that as playable store line at some point or in different mod  

[Dieork]

On 10/5/2020 at 4:45 AM, tasairis said:

Yeah, it is long.

 

It's basically a first draft - to get the whole thing out of my head so I can do other things. Kinda like how Thaena's monologue originally was. And like that one, I'll come back to the Forsworn thing at some point and do some pruning.

 

They're actually supposed to do that. It's a minor bug already on my list to fix.
They do go into the stall after the quest finishes so it's probably a small oversight somewhere.

I think the forsworn story, was good I hope it gets more flushed out and playable even. 

Please keep up your great work

[Guest]

damn I missed how much this progressed since I mostly look at the LE threads but this so far looks pretty amazing, will be a good reason to finally switch to SE

[espguy]

small question, if you play as a male will it be possible to make a female companion fuck the animals instead?

[Katauni]

I had a suggestion, but its a spoiler for the story of the first mod, so anyone else read at your own discretion!

 

Spoiler

So for the part in the story after getting the troll where you and Theana end up tied up together by the troll, I was thinking it could be more fun to allow a fail-state of sorts where you don't or can't convince jesper to release you, and you both have to end up in the trolls control for a period of time. Perhaps it can have fade to blacks in between interesting moments, and for fear of going into things that would be overly complicated for this rework, a alternate scenario where the troll escapes and takes them his cave and you have to find a way out. Or you just have to wait until someone else finds you or the trolls lets you go.

Just a thought I had I wanted to share, it seemed like a fun deviation from the main story loop and was sad that there was no other option but to convince jesper to let you out when it popped up. 

Hope things are going well for ya! Keep up the awesome work

[tasairis]

3 hours ago, espguy said:

small question, if you play as a male will it be possible to make a female companion fuck the animals instead?

It already is. In fact, males playing the first quest are required to use a female companion for one part of it.

[tasairis]

3 hours ago, Katauni said:

I had a suggestion, but its a spoiler for the story of the first mod, so anyone else read at your own discretion!

There's still some time before I even get to that part of the quest so I don't know what's going to happen. I can say that (a) I do want to change how that whole thing plays out, and (b) while I'm sure it will change noticeably, I don't expect it's going to change drastically. Because what you're getting at overlaps with how the player and Thaena get along as a whole, and I'm putting deliberate effort into figuring that all out - much more to it than just that one missed opportunity.

 

In other words, I don't know yet.

[coffeeandcynicism]

21 hours ago, tasairis said:

There's still some time before I even get to that part of the quest so I don't know what's going to happen. I can say that (a) I do want to change how that whole thing plays out, and (b) while I'm sure it will change noticeably, I don't expect it's going to change drastically. Because what you're getting at overlaps with how the player and Thaena get along as a whole, and I'm putting deliberate effort into figuring that all out - much more to it than just that one missed opportunity.

 

In other words, I don't know yet.

Well, known unknowns are better than unknown unknowns, right? ?

I guess I'll ask the question everyone's too polite to ask...Any idea when v4 might be ready?

[tasairis]

1 hour ago, coffeeandcynicism said:

I guess I'll ask the question everyone's too polite to ask...Any idea when v4 might be ready?

Still on track for end of this month: the main part of the next quest is written (not that there's much), and the Fun Bits are still in progress (I figure about 70% done) but will be finished this week. That leaves me almost another week for entering everything into CK and testing it all out.

 

Unless that goes more smoothly than I expect, I'll do v4 next week (probably Sat 31st or Sun 1st), then v4.1 a week later with the rewritten monologues for Thaena and the horse guy and whatever bug fixes are needed for the new stuff. Then back to business as usual.

 

Ahhh... Really looking forward to this release because when it's done I'll switch my main save over to it instead of AM+ and spend all my time Competing instead of advancing quests.

[tbcollins]

Got a question, or maybe need some help / advice.  Worked great for a bit, got the dogs, got the horses, then nothing, no new quests no clients, nothing going on.  What do i need to do?

[tasairis]

6 hours ago, tbcollins said:

Got a question, or maybe need some help / advice.  Worked great for a bit, got the dogs, got the horses, then nothing, no new quests no clients, nothing going on.  What do i need to do?

Wait for the next release.

 

I've edited the first post to list what's done.

[coffeeandcynicism]

On 10/19/2020 at 9:16 PM, tasairis said:

Ahhh... Really looking forward to this release because when it's done I'll switch my main save over to it instead of AM+ and spend all my time Competing instead of advancing quests.

?

 

Thanks for the update.

[Malkoran]

Something I just thought of: Competition. This would likely be rather late in the story, but it just came to me that the time that the Animal Mansion found its niche someone else might try to make profit off of it. This could for example start by someone else opening his own copy of the Animal Mansion and drawing customers away from the real one with shady business practices (maybe like them claiming theyre the real one). Another thing could be someone trying to buy the Animal Mansion (or a big amount of shares) and changing things which aren't well perceived by the player and Thaena which causes them to try getting rid of the investor/new owner. Technically you could also merge it or branch it off into Thaena rejecting and that causing the opening of the copy.

[tasairis]

3 hours ago, Xonder23 said:

Something I just thought of: Competition. This would likely be rather late in the story, but it just came to me that the time that the Animal Mansion found its niche someone else might try to make profit off of it. This could for example start by someone else opening his own copy of the Animal Mansion and drawing customers away from the real one with shady business practices (maybe like them claiming theyre the real one). Another thing could be someone trying to buy the Animal Mansion (or a big amount of shares) and changing things which aren't well perceived by the player and Thaena which causes them to try getting rid of the investor/new owner. Technically you could also merge it or branch it off into Thaena rejecting and that causing the opening of the copy.

Already have plans for a competitor ? As you said, later - as in it will be part of the new content (after the existing main quests).

 

Tentative teaser: Already suffering from the drop in clients due to [recent events], the bad news continues when Thaena hears about a new business with a familiar tagline. A business that happens to be run by [someone]. A business that somehow has twice the customers the Animal Mansion had, and in half the time. Skeptical that [owner] could pull this off with such good timing, Thaena asks our hero(ine) to investigate.