Bravil Underground v0.96

[Melon]

For those who get caught in annoying "I HAVE NO GREETING" with poor Lop-ear Choco-Elf girl named "Evenia". This is not a load-order problem. It's just a lack of contents or using wrong condition in generic-quest.

I found this in mod "LoversSlaveTrader.esp" quest-"xLSTGenTrainer". Go to topic tap and find "GREETING". There is 5 dialog for greeting and it all has condition for male not for female. I'll attaching fix esp-ver91.

I just removed condition for each dialog.

 

 

 

 

Esp removed by Gretathit.

Reason: The Greeting conditional removal does NOT fix Evenia's "I have no greeting" dialogue - at least not a fix that is acceptable.

 

The reason that greeting has a conditional for males only, is it was intended to be that way for the male trainers in bravil undergrounds upstairs training room. Removing conditionals like this could have unintended and unforeseen consequences.

 

With the proper load order (and all the requirements installed) Evenia will use a standard default vanilla greeting with no issues (I retested this to make certain prior to posting this). If you would like to issue your own version of slave trader or bravil underground, please feel free to create your own thread and post it there. Please also mark it in some way so folks don't come to me or this thread with support issues. I am sure you are just trying to help, but unfortunately this is not the right way to go about it. Thanks for your understanding.

[gregathit]

Actually, the no greeting problem "IS" a load order problem (or a missing plugin one), as I have run slavetrader 91beta since I translated it and never had that problem with Evenia.

 

I appreciate your trying to help but removing stuff from a plugin can actually cause MORE problems than it may solve - did you fully test all of bravil underground to see if your fix breaks anything?

 

Also, why are you putting a slave trader plugin in the bravil underground thread?

[Sarnaath]

For those who get caught in annoying "I HAVE NO GREETING" with poor Lop-ear Choco-Elf girl named "Evenia". This is not a load-order problem. It's just a lack of contents or using wrong condition in generic-quest.

I found this in mod "LoversSlaveTrader.esp" quest-"xLSTGenTrainer". Go to topic tap and find "GREETING". There is 5 dialog for greeting and it all has condition for male not for female. I'll attaching fix esp-ver91.

I just removed condition for each dialog.

 

I've run through Bravil Underground twice now, 2 different games, and each time Evenia has had generic greetings. Currently she says "Good day." and "I hope I can help." both of which occur with disposition over 70, which makes sense since I've finished the mod. Going back to an early save just out of the prison sewers, I get "What?" or "What do you want?" from her.

 

If you are getting "I HAVE NO GREETING" I think something else is wrong. The greetings you modified are particular for the guys in the training room, although I see those greetings with Joseph too. Evenia should default to generic greetings. Granted, restricting those greetings to just males doesn't make much sense given there's a female slave trainer. But if she's giving you the "I HAVE NO GREETING" problem, there's another problem occurring.

[Melon]

Actually' date=' the no greeting problem "IS" a load order problem (or a missing plugin one), as I have run slavetrader 91beta since I translated it and never had that problem with Evenia.

 

I appreciate your trying to help but removing stuff from a plugin can actually cause MORE problems than it may solve - did you fully test all of bravil underground to see if your fix breaks anything?

 

Also, why are you putting a slave trader plugin in the bravil underground thread?

[/quote']

Yes, I have noticed generic-quest-greeting is working fine in some load-order but I just thought it is much easier way than re-ordering mod. Well... at first I was intend to adding some dialog for female guildmember but my native language isn't English so I couldn't find good word. So I just redirect some condition in dialog for both male and female member of guild using same greeting.

Hmm... two mod is related but Evenia is from BU so I thought it is ok to post in here. But If I make confusion by posting wrong thread I'm sorry.

I've run through Bravil Underground twice now' date=' 2 different games, and each time Evenia has had generic greetings. Currently she says "Good day." and "I hope I can help." both of which occur with disposition over 70, which makes sense since I've finished the mod. Going back to an early save just out of the prison sewers, I get "What?" or "What do you want?" from her.

 

If you are getting "I HAVE NO GREETING" I think something else is wrong. The greetings you modified are particular for the guys in the training room, although I see those greetings with Joseph too. Evenia should default to generic greetings. Granted, restricting those greetings to just males doesn't make much sense given there's a female slave trainer. But if she's giving you the "I HAVE NO GREETING" problem, there's another problem occurring.

[/quote']

Yes it is load order problem for generic greetings, but I can't find what exactly causing problem in my load order. So I just redirect greeting rather than asking for currect my load order.

[gregathit]

Melon, I am not at all mad at you, but I do not want a modification to be posted in this thread that could possibly break things for folks. It is hard enough for me to support these two plugins as it is, without having folks posting about problems due to someone else tinkering with the plugin.

 

The best way is to correct your load order rather than attempting to remove conditionals that "may" break other things. I am not saying that your edit "does" or "will", but it certainly could. Without extensive testing there is no way to know.

 

The ideal load order for lovers mods can be found here: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6133 (click on the spoiler). If you would like help figuring out what the problem in your load order may be, then just post it here and we will take a look.

[Melon]

Melon' date=' I am not at all mad at you, but I do not want a modification to be posted in this thread that could possibly break things for folks. It is hard enough for me to support these two plugins as it is, without having folks posting about problems due to someone else tinkering with the plugin.

 

The best way is to correct your load order rather than attempting to remove conditionals that "may" break other things. I am not saying that your edit "does" or "will", but it certainly could. Without extensive testing there is no way to know.

 

The ideal load order for lovers mods can be found here: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6133 (click on the spoiler). If you would like help figuring out what the problem in your load order may be, then just post it here and we will take a look.

[/quote']

Thank you for your reply. I'll try that.

[WhiteSteelMan]

Mod is awesome and everything, had a few problems with quest updates but fixed it by being patient and using all types of punishments Now I am on quest Camonna Tong, none of the vampires tell me anything, I went to the torture agent he says nothing too, I read somewhere that I should finish all his quests first but I am stuck with "Until it Burns out" how the hell can I find his sister if I don't know her name?? Spent 3 days in Anvil and nothing. Also I get no greeting on Evenia.

 

LOAD ORDER

 

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[Sarnaath]

Mod is awesome and everything' date=' had a few problems with quest updates but fixed it by being patient and using all types of punishments Now I am on quest Camonna Tong, none of the vampires tell me anything, I went to the torture agent he says nothing too,

[/quote']

 

Do you mean John's instructions at the end of the "Comonna Tong?" quest to talk to the vampires (the "Morag and vulnerable vampire" quest)? That's pretty much a non-quest. I had finished all the training and side quests by then and just spoke to each vampire guard, then the Torture Agent, and the quest updated. There was no quest specific conversation. Maybe it just forces you to finish the Torture Agent's quests.

 

I read somewhere that I should finish all his quests first but I am stuck with "Until it Burns out" how the hell can I find his sister if I don't know her name?? Spent 3 days in Anvil and nothing.

 

Yeah, the info about the mage's sister is really ambiguous (see the spoiler). You don't need to find her to finish that quest though.

 

 

Her name is Nesura and tends to hang out at the Count's Arms and the Flowing Bowl. I usually find her at the Count's Arms. She has no quest specific conversation and just appears as a generic NPC when you talk to her. She's a Ren Mystic Elf and may stand out from all the other vanilla races in your game depending on how vanilla your vanilla NPCs look.

 

 

 

Also I get no greeting on Evenia.

 

I think this is a load order issue, but I'm no expert on that. Wait for gregathit the load order expert to reply (who is, of course, different from gregathit the freeloader).

[gregathit]

Sarnaath answered all your other questions (I think) so I will help you on the load order one. You have a mod that is conflicting with Bravil UG. I don't know which one it is unfortunately.

 

A less radical move you can try first is to fire up tes4edit, open bravil underground and find Evenia and see what the last mod that effects her is. Then move bravil underground underneath that mod so it doesn't over-ride it. If you don't know how to use tes4edit or just don't want to then try the below:

 

 

Radical Approach - Not recommended:

Disable all of these, make a clean save and see if you get your greeting back:

6A GTAesgaard.esp [Version 1.3]

6B Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]

6C The Lost Spires.esp

6D GTAesgaard_2.esp

[Sarnaath]

Radical Approach - Not recommended:

Disable all of these' date=' make a clean save and see if you get your greeting back:

6A GTAesgaard.esp [Version 1.3']

6B Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]

6C The Lost Spires.esp

6D GTAesgaard_2.esp

 

I just happened to install Lost Spires today! So I checked out Evenia with the Lost Spires.esp above and below Bravil Underground. Didn't get the "I have no greeting" problem. However, I did have trouble getting any saved game to even load with Lost Spires activated. Conflicted with something, I guess, and gave me CTDs. Cleaning the .esp with TES4Edit fixed that issue. So, if the original Lost Spires.esp is the culprit, perhaps just cleaning it of dirty edits with TES4Edit will fix it.

[WhiteSteelMan]

Thanks people, I am not really concerned for Evenia, unless she is needed for a quest I will go fix it, I get some crashes here and there, its probably a new mod I installed since last time I played but not sure which one causes it, loading last save fixes it. I will use TES4edit to find what causes rare game crashes on loading new cells. Last installation of game was perfect but I had problems with slavery.

[CrimsonSpire]

I'm at a loss, I turn in the items she needs for the "Gratitude" quest, and it doesn't end. What's there to do still?

[Sparlimb]

I'm at a loss' date=' I turn in the items she needs for the "Gratitude" quest, and it doesn't end. What's there to do still?

[/quote']

 

Sixty-some-odd pages can be a bear to go diggin' through for a single clue, I've dreaded it myself, but the answers are all there somewhere. hehe!

For "Gratitude"; just wait a little bit, she'll eventually get back to you for completion.

I think there were a couple quests that made me wonder just what the hell I did wrong, only to resolve themselves by waiting a bit.

[CrimsonSpire]

I'm at a loss' date=' I turn in the items she needs for the "Gratitude" quest, and it doesn't end. What's there to do still?

[/quote']

 

Sixty-some-odd pages can be a bear to go diggin' through for a single clue, I've dreaded it myself, but the answers are all there somewhere. hehe!

For "Gratitude"; just wait a little bit, she'll eventually get back to you for completion.

I think there were a couple quests that made me wonder just what the hell I did wrong, only to resolve themselves by waiting a bit.

 

 

Yeah, I went through this the first time, nothing happened, I made a new save. Get to this quest again, post about it, and the little cat finally comes around. Thanks, though.

[fejeena]

All quests and quest-giver and some tips. update 15.11.2012

http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=8889&pid=197481#pid197481

 

Currently I am testing the new beta.

[gregathit]

All quests and quest-giver and some tips. update 15.11.2012

http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=8889&pid=197481#pid197481

 

Currently I am testing the new beta.

 

OP updated with Fejeena's quest information and tips. Just see the bottom spoiler.

 

Thanks Fejeena! Let me know if you spot any errors in the latest beta for the v96 Final Edition.

[Sarnaath]

Tip on the NPC Lyonnais Worker quest:

 

 

 

 

NPC Lyonnais Worker in the Medical Clinic

1. talk to him, and give him a drink(sleep potion)

2.klick him when he is sleeping in bed

3.talk,kill him,jump,run(don't fight, the enemies can not be killed),jump and swim to the isle,talk to Vaermina.

If you can knock out the Infants, you can cast the enslave spell on them. This essentially turns them into trainers and they won't chase you. Use the Set Free option and move on to the next one. It is possible to take them back to Bravil Underground with you, but you cannot use them for training (you get an error message). I used the narcolepsy spell for this, but the slaver club might work too.

 

I was unable to get past all 4 (well, actually the first 2) with just running (and they are all level 50 and essential) so eventually tried enslaving them. I thought enslaving them was the intended solution to get past them, but I don't really know. You can do the same with Pick Man in the Reanimator quest.

 

If your sneak skill is high enough, using the Transparent Hood might get you past the Infants too. But seeing as how this mod is all about slaving, it seems to me that using the enslave spell makes the most sense.

 

edit: tried this again with the slaver club - that was totally useless against the Infants in combat. Maybe if you successfully sneak up behind them, but the dungeon isn't really set up for that (and I was unable to pull that off). Maybe running or sneaking is the intended solution.

 

edit2: The skooma syringe works beautifully to knock them out. Pack plenty of skooma potions.

 

 

[fejeena]

Sarnaath I did so.

 

 

Do you have "LoversLoveJuice.esp"

I use a bow and Spoiled Juice (Strong)(50 health damage for 90 seconds, so that the infants are long enough knocked to move past)

And Juice (Strong) to heal myself.Yes most time sneeking.

 

 

 

[Sarnaath]

Sarnaath I did so.

 

 

Do you have "LoversLoveJuice.esp"

I use a bow and Spoiled Juice (Strong)(50 health damage for 90 seconds' date=' so that the infants are long enough knocked to move past)

And Juice (Strong) to heal myself.Yes most time sneeking.

 

 

 

[/quote']

 

 

 

No, I don't use that mod. Good idea though.

 

 

[Eradawn]

My game crashes as soon as I enter the Slave area next to Gilgogin. I mean the tavern owner.

 

I have looked on the reuqirements and I see i need mbP ++ 0.98 can I overwrite the old one version ( v.0.94 ) with ++0.98 or will this cause a problem ?.

 

Edit: Ok already installed all things. now its working , but my next prob is that my game isnt loading , it crashes and the trainer guild where I saved. i have Ardaline as slave with me , she just follows. and every time I load a save game with her it crashes.

[gregathit]

Either start a new game or make a clean save. That is all I can tell you based on the little bit of information you provided. You'll need to post your load order along with more detailed information on your save game if you want help with it.

[dragenx]

Little lost where is the Auction hall in the Guile Without Balls quest there is no map marker for it. or is that broke

[gregathit]

The auction hall is between the training guild and breeding guild if I remember correct. Once you go in you will see a body guard with a couple of dead bodies in barrels by the inner door to the actual auction.

 

There are no 'broken' quests in this mod.

[Sarnaath]

Little lost where is the Auction hall in the Guile Without Balls quest there is no map marker for it. or is that broke

 

The door you want is labeled something like "Salesroom Entrance." It's the door on the right as you face the Molag Bal alter. The Auction Hall is through that room.

[gregathit]

Oops. Yep, Sarnaath is right, it is on the 'other' side from the two guilds.