KoolHndLuke Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 How many times have you woke up from a dream and said "Damn, that was so REAL!"? In fact, I can only remember about two of my dreams where I realized in the dream that it wasn't real- and those only vaguely. Well, what if there was a way to not only know you are dreaming, but to be able to control what you are dreaming about? The part in this vid that I didn't know was the reason I feel paralyzed in some of my dreams- which I hate btw. Some of my favorite dreams are ones in which I can FLY!!! THAT, is an awesome feeling!
KoolHndLuke Posted June 6, 2019 Author Posted June 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, Doctor Cadaver said: I wish I had more control over my dreams. Most of mine have hardly anything to do with me. I'm just a spectator most of the time. As am I. But, thinking about it some more, I don't always want to have control over my dreams because some very good ideas may come out of them. Though, being able to guide a dream (like my having sex with a super model) could be quite satisfying. The real kicker would be to record dreams. Not sure that will ever be possible.
Captain Cobra Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Managed to go lucid a handful of times, was pretty fun. Made love to my waifu, shot people who make public bathrooms unbearable to use, and pissed off wizards (not all in the same dream, though.)
KoolHndLuke Posted June 6, 2019 Author Posted June 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Captain Cobra said: Managed to go lucid a handful of times, was pretty fun. Made love to my waifu, shot people who make public bathrooms unbearable to use, and pissed off wizards (not all in the same dream, though.) Really? How does it feel to be in control of your dream? Like could I go into my dream and smack my college professor around if I wanted to, lol?
Reginald_001 Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Used lucid dreaming as a kid, guided by my hippy mom, to fight my constant nightmares. Little did we know that there was a biological reason for it (e.g. chronic pain from birth, never recognized as such because I was one of those kids that never cried and was always smiling, even though I was in pain.. or literally freezing/another story completely) until finally a smart doctor noticed a couple of my bones weren't set correctly in my hip. Had surgery, then had a lucid dream as I was 'under the knife' in which I explored the hospital. Lost the nightmares (immediately after surgery), kept the ability to do lucid dreaming (I can't control setting, only my actions and I have sort of an 'exit' button that I can press to exit any dream at any time I want). If I prepare and meditate a few days on it control can go a bit deeper, as in I can control the theme or tone of my dreams. But I usually only do it when I have recurring nightmares, which is almost never these days...
Captain Cobra Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 2 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said: Really? How does it feel to be in control of your dream? Like could I go into my dream and smack my college professor around if I wanted to, lol? Feels pretty good, but I usually get too excited and end up waking myself up earlier than I'd like. I think that you can do just about anything you could imagine in a dream, you'd just need to practice how to stay calm and how to manipulate things in a dream environment.
serPomiz Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 had complete controll since high school. can't iniciate, but once I start dreaming I'm always in absolute controll. most of the time, I just let it play out (got some pretty entertainment from this) the only thing that gives me problem is, since the period in which I developed the ability was possibly my lowest point in life, being hugged istantly wakes me up in extreme allertness, so if it happens early in the night, is get up and do something, I'm done with the bed in some rare cases in which I dream a family, that really hurt.
ISNAN Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 I don't think people actually control dreams. It's just an illusion of being in control. It's like saying.."Yeah, that's what I would have done if I was in that situation." You have to look at dreams for what they are. It's a thought process going on in the sub conscience. Your brain is still regulating your body when you sleep, so it's still getting signals from various organs and chemical responses that these organs are transmitting to your brain. So basically you are still feeling emotions while you are sleeping, but instead of your conscience mind making sense of it, your sub conscience is at work where all of the concepts you have about reality is stored. Which is why dreams seem to be "out there". It's because our sub conscience is the "back end" of our thinking. It's where we problem solve and imagine abstract things. Basically, you are just seeing this being played out as if it were a movie because your conscience "awake" mind is not at the fore front of your thinking. When you day dream, you are actually tapping into your sub conscience. Dreams don't mean anything. People try to interpret them, but it's subjective to each person. You dreaming about a tornado means something different than it would to me. It's all based on your concepts you have about tornadoes. The best way to think about dreams is to imagine it like a computer defragging. Your senses takes in an ungodly amount of data throughout the day. Much of which you have no idea you are storing in your brain. It's stores it and makes connections with your neurons. When you sleep, your brain is dissociating the data with what is relevant and what is not. It's why we need to sleep and is why we get a foggy mind when we stay up for a long period of time. There is simply too much data in the memory banks.
Reginald_001 Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 8 hours ago, ISNAN said: <snip> Dreams don't mean anything. People try to interpret them, but it's subjective to each person. You dreaming about a tornado means something different than it would to me. It's all based on your concepts you have about tornadoes. </snip> I used to think that too, and it's true up to a certain point. But as I'm studying Clinical Psychology, I learned about mythology and cultural symbolism. Many symbols are ingrained not only into our cultural psyche (e.g. the mother figure, the father figure, nature.. the list goes on and on) but also into our physical biology (e.g. our genes). For instance for most people (and there are ALWAYS exceptions) a snake means > danger, evil.. etc..). I know it sounds 'finnicky' but I assure you it's not. Scientific proof has been discovered, already in the nineties, that many psychological traits (e.g. the big 5 psychology traits) have deep roots in our symbols and our language (language is just another form of symbolism). In fact, it is scientifically proven that on a basic reactionary level (e.g. the subconscious) people don't even operate in anything 'else' than symbols. When you walk towards a cliff, you don't subconsciously think 'hey what a beautiful cliff'.. no the first thing your 'biology' perceives is a dangerous 'falling down place'. (Even if it's for just a millisecond).. then your higher cognitive functions take over and start to define more details.. the cliff has beautiful trees and a nice view.. And hey.. there's a balcony there to stop you from falling! etc..etc.. When you see your car, you don't see your car. Not really... You don't see all the parts that make it work.. every technical detail.. most don't even know or care about anything having to do with their car... it's just a means of getting from A to B.. now imagine what happens when this car suddenly breaks down.. Then... it's suddenly a huge deal.. because all those details about it become important.. The carburetor.. the gear shifts.. the breaks.. the oil.. all the stuff you normally don't think about becomes important. This is subconscious versus conscious 'loops' that are deeply ingrained with each other. What this basically means is that you compress all those details in a symbol.. or better said.. function. Things have functions.. their details don't really matter, until they block the function. And in this way, symbols are what drive us. Long story short, whether you know it or not, each culture shares deeply ingrained symbols that are 'tattooed' right into our genes and psychological makeup. Many individuals will be an exception to this, most of these phenomenon are divided in Sine curve, meaning that at the extreme edges of the curve, there will always be exceptions. If you're really interested here some links: https://www.harleytherapy.co.uk/counselling/symbols-in-psychology.htm https://www.harleytherapy.co.uk/services.htm https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hide-and-seek/201204/jung-the-man-and-his-symbols https://exploringyourmind.com/the-story-of-the-psychology-symbol/
NickNozownik Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 It happened to me quite a few times but I don't know how I did it. I somehow realized that it's just a dream and I can do whatever I want. It involved a lot of really kinky shit and killing a few people with a chainsaw. Let's not go into the details. So anyway the best part is the "exit button" like Reginald said. I often have all kinds of fucked up nightmares, so when shit hits the fan I'm like "NOPE, gg&hf lol".
ISNAN Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 13 hours ago, Reginald_001 said: I used to think that too, and it's true up to a certain point. But as I'm studying Clinical Psychology, I learned about mythology and cultural symbolism. Many symbols are ingrained not only into our cultural psyche (e.g. the mother figure, the father figure, nature.. the list goes on and on) but also into our physical biology (e.g. our genes). For instance for most people (and there are ALWAYS exceptions) a snake means > danger, evil.. etc..). I know it sounds 'finnicky' but I assure you it's not. Scientific proof has been discovered, already in the nineties, that many psychological traits (e.g. the big 5 psychology traits) have deep roots in our symbols and our language (language is just another form of symbolism). In fact, it is scientifically proven that on a basic reactionary level (e.g. the subconscious) people don't even operate in anything 'else' than symbols. When you walk towards a cliff, you don't subconsciously think 'hey what a beautiful cliff'.. no the first thing your 'biology' perceives is a dangerous 'falling down place'. (Even if it's for just a millisecond).. then your higher cognitive functions take over and start to define more details.. the cliff has beautiful trees and a nice view.. And hey.. there's a balcony there to stop you from falling! etc..etc.. When you see your car, you don't see your car. Not really... You don't see all the parts that make it work.. every technical detail.. most don't even know or care about anything having to do with their car... it's just a means of getting from A to B.. now imagine what happens when this car suddenly breaks down.. Then... it's suddenly a huge deal.. because all those details about it become important.. The carburetor.. the gear shifts.. the breaks.. the oil.. all the stuff you normally don't think about becomes important. This is subconscious versus conscious 'loops' that are deeply ingrained with each other. What this basically means is that you compress all those details in a symbol.. or better said.. function. Things have functions.. their details don't really matter, until they block the function. And in this way, symbols are what drive us. Long story short, whether you know it or not, each culture shares deeply ingrained symbols that are 'tattooed' right into our genes and psychological makeup. Many individuals will be an exception to this, most of these phenomenon are divided in Sine curve, meaning that at the extreme edges of the curve, there will always be exceptions. Thanks for the links. I will surely read more into this and kudos to you for studying the field of Psychology. It's a very fascinating field. I totally agree about the ideas of concepts and symbols. Carl Jung's work on the subject definitely revolutionized the field of psychology. I have looked into his work and what fascinates me the most is his work on archetypes, the animus/anima. The male and female inside of us. It amazes me how some people fight the opposing archetype, when they should be accepting of it and go on an exploration of their inner self. Another thing about Jung that fascinates me is the cognitive functions that are used in the Miggs Breyer personality tests. It took me awhile to figure it out, but once I did, it was an eye opener. I can almost type people now by simply asking a few questions. It's helped me in not judging people based on their lack of interest in certain topics. Some people simply don't think on deep levels like that of an INFJ or INTJ. They lack the intuitive intuition as their main function, which allows someone to think on deeper levels. But they may excel at sports because they have the sensory as their main function. Each type has advantages/disadvantages and that is what helped me see the good in people. It's just really fascinating to me. As for the topic at hand, those concepts/symbols is what I was referring to. They mean different things to each person. If person A was born into an environment where their social reality is different than what person B was raised in, then their beliefs pertaining to universal concepts/symbols will be slightly different. Like for instance someone born in America and someone born in Iraq. If an American was to dream about tornadoes, it would probably cause anxiety. It probably surfaced in their dream because of some unknown fear of a problem that is out of their control. If the person in Iraq was to dream about tornadoes, it probably wouldn't cause anxiety. It may induce an "awe" moment or miracle/sign from the heavens for them even though they may know about the destruction cause. It's probably a bad example I'm sure. When I think about dreams or the sub conscious, I can't help but to think about Theory of constructed emotions as a starting point and then build up what is going on based on the theory. It makes more sense to me.
Girfactor Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 I had one horrible dream when I was a teen/young adult. It had to do with a old woman coming through the woods when there was still woods behind our house into the house. She came through the back of the house through my closet door. The dream was so vivid that I could still somewhat remember every little detail of the incident. I, too, felt paralyzed and it felt like it was really happening. I was told it had been a demon feeding off my negativity emotions at the time..Ever since then I had built a barrier around myself to prevent this incident from happening again. No matter how stressed I got, I had to make sure nothing could feed from me again. But that was my interesting dream.
formanfred Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 a few years back I was dreaming that my wife was talking to me and I could not hear what she was saying , she kept on and was starting to annoy me , so at the top of my voice I shouted WHAT! the only thing was I actually shouted this out loud waking myself and everyone in the house ,my wife jumped out of bed because I had scared her and I ended up with a right telling off after my laughing fit had finished
Pork Type Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 I occasionally dream about my mom (dead) and initially, she was her fucked up, menacing self. But I always came around to realizing that she was dead and couldn't harm me anymore. Lately, when she shows up, she's pretty gormless. I don't dream about my dad much. He's my living nightmare, currently.
KoolHndLuke Posted July 9, 2020 Author Posted July 9, 2020 Had to necro this because I had one of the weirdest dreams of my life last night. Okay so I'm seeing through the eyes of Seth Rogen here for some reason to start and I'm with my girlfriend/wife going to some small party with some old friends in some city we don't know. We walk in to meet "Karen" and her husband "Doug" and say hello to a new woman called "Nellie" (these are just what I'm calling them since I have no idea who they are in the dream or in life). So we are talking, have dinner, and start drinking and doing other "recreational" drugs. My wife "Jill" and I get really fucked up and start a threesome with Nellie and that was fucking great since both of them were older but in great shape. Doug and Karen won't join because they started fighting about something, so we ignore them and continue on until the early morning hours. Now one thing I forgot to mention is that the foyer has long steep stairs that lead up to the second floor balcony where we are. So I guess we're passed out for awhile to awaken and find Nellie dead at the bottom of the stairs where she looks to have fallen and we seem to be the first to discover her. Jill and I alert Karen and Doug to the situation and tell them to call the police to which they refuse saying we'd all be arrested. Jill and I are like "What?" "You've got a dead woman in your house!". Doug turns around with phone in hand to call someone (not the police) and Karen flies into a rage and demands we leave immediately. We're put out the door by Doug and Karen with me in my undies and Karen almost completely naked! So..there we are in a strange city at like 4 a.m. in the morning with no phone, no money, still slightly buzzing and no fucking idea what to do. We start walking out of the quiet neighborhood to an intersection where we hopefully can flag a cab. We wait, one passes us and doesn't stop. I get the bright idea to explore the construction site near us for some clothes for Jill. This part is a little fuzzy, but like I hit a switch and bumped into something and the whole construction site starts to fall on top of us. Last thing I remember is seeing an "OH FUCK!" look on my face (Seth's) while that happened. Then I wake up. Weird, right?
Kendo 2 Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 I can control what happens in my dreams and it sucks.
s.kirmish Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 I have a lengthy experience on this topic. You might find this entertaining. I am not sure whether I am a complete lucid dreamer, because I could never exchange with anyone who could do anything similar. I cannot do whatever I want, yet I am always aware that I am dreaming. Actually, it is more like I am "acting" as if I were aware of it, like my role in the dream movie is to be some sort of Isekai character. Well, I guess that might also just be the consequence of what it feels like when you know it is a dream without being able to actually do what you want with all freedom. Above someone described he had the ability to exit and enter different dreams, which is also just partial control, and I too have that one ability with which I can always take influence, which I call Veto-Right. Essentially, whenever I don't like the scene that unfolded before me, I can just go "naw naw naw, this sucks, do it again", and then I will dream the last (felt) 10 seconds to 2 minutes again, but with slightly different outcome, until I like the result. More extreme, when I really don't like the direction of a dream (like recently I had to go into an tiring argument with the grandmother I hate), I can also just do this so strongly that the dream mostly gets canceled and something else begins that just has roughly some related snippets of the same topic. I basically say to myself "this is my dream, why should I suffer? next!", and then it goes on. This is it however. There is no control about what I actually dream, because otherwise I would probably bang sometimes and fly (hey, why not both? :D). Oh, but I can to some extend manipulate the set logic that was presented to me. One time I dreamt that I was outside of one of my old schools, and some clear water flood-wave swept through the location, lifted me up a couple meters, and then subsided. Me however, I was still standing in the air, like with a video game bug, I could just be lifted, but not fall down. So I figured out that I could summon the flood-wave again, and lift me up a little bit higher by letting it spike at my location. Then I did this again and again, and had my good fun out of it. Another time I was at a school sports hall and could run so blindingly fast, that my peripheral vision became smears, and I couldn't really see where I was going. So I tested this a lot, rammed into the walls often (no injuries possible) and tried to circle my classmates or run on walls etc. . It was so fun to be fast, indestructible, but also totally out of control of it. You know, actually it might be a benefit to not have full say on the dreams, because these scenarios are nothing you would ever come up with by yourself, but they are very entertaining. When I was 6, my dream control was somewhat better in some regards too. Even though I only picked up to be always aware of it at around age 10, when I was younger I could pretty much make a reservation for a dream. Don't laugh, but I had a favorite dream, where I was basically playing a human sized board game (you walk on the fields after a dice throw), and at some fields it triggered a shiny sarcophagus coming out of the ground, inside of which one of the Sailor Warriors, which would then awake and play the game with me. (I watched that show with friends every day at that age) After the game we would all go shot with bow and arrow into a starry sky. Fabulous. Because I liked this dream so much, I had it ordered and re-dreamt 4 more times, and I could otherwise set topics of dreams, though no influence when actually being in them. Sadly, I can't do this at all anymore, but at least I picked up the rest. ..And another thing. Being constantly aware also meant that I developed complete nightmare resistance after age 10. I do still have dreams that you could technically define as nightmares, because horrible things happen in them, but since I am always aware that nothing is real, and that I am in control, there is just no terror factor to them anymore. To the contrary, they have just become part of my entertainment program, like you would legitimately watch horror movies for entertainment. It is exciting, yes, but in the end, if you'd feel too scared and you know you can just push that one button, and all the evil things are gone...; When you are completely secure in that you are safe, there can't be terror, and so there was a time where I just went around mocking my own nightmares. What is the monster gonna do? Chew on me? I can't feel pain. Nor can I be crippled. In fact, I could snap, and the monster would be revised and destroyed, so who is the real monster, Fiffy? Bow and fetch. ..It could try to jump scare me, ahh, but I haven't explained this part yet. This is also a sort of ability, though I would guess that everyone with dream awareness has it. Since all the generation in the dream in essence comes from your sub-conscious, or whatever part in yourself, I always know a little bit in advance what is going to happen. Not exactly, more like a strong hunch. I could compare it when the computer suddenly starts loading, you know something will happen, or when the dungeon master secretly rolls dice, you get suspicious. Of course you sense your own brain working to come up with a plan for the next act, so I have a rough idea of what is on the menu, which also means, I can't be jumped in nightmares, nor otherwise surprised. ...Well, except for that one time. Now we come into scary, no, true terror territory, and as always when I tell this story, my hairs begin to stand up just thinking about it. So see this, I've been having this ability for ~14 years and treated my dreams whenever I had them as an entertainment program. Constantly I would manipulate the set and action, rewind to make it more interesting, spur my sub-conscious to come up with more intriguing stuff. Though not so much in normal dreams, this was my usual proceeding in nightmares, because as said, I liked to mock them for their honest attempts, but comically complete inability to affect me. One day the nightmare started by me being openly imprisoned in a black steel tower, with red lighting everywhere. Together with me a bunch of kids that tried to escape. There was no monster, but we would constantly run into traps, like stairs disappearing, leading to deadly fall, or spikes jumping out of the floor and leaving a bloodbath of dead children and the rest crying. I was unfazed. Come on, dream, these children are bad actors, the blood doesn't even smell, and no trap can ever harm me. Do better! I get left out. I meet up with Scully and Mulder from X-Files (so cool, major fan crush), and we patrol some slightly misty path close to a tree-line. Nothing really happens else, so I ask for adventure. We go into the trees. Shortly behind a now seriously misty bog of milk instead of water, and little hunched over Quasimodo-esk man-goblin approaches us and offers to serve as our guide trough it. The guy is so stereotypically the "haha, I betrayed you! led you to your dooom!"-guy / hidden-monster, I just roll my eyes and go with it. We wade through the bog, having our shoes half submerged, and then caught by some mushy ground, while the guide-Igor leads some distance ahead. Sensing the lame betrayal plot ahead, I am not really feeling it, and spur the dream on. Do better! The ground is often suspiciously bumpy, and Scully nearly trips. The milk is sometimes almost watery, so we stop to splash aside the white foggy parts to look what she tripped over. Dead faces. One hand below the surface, the whole moor is a soil of dead faces, as white as the milk that swims above it. *Sigh* Not very impressed, I stand again and walk up to the little bogey-man in the distance, standing there with his back to me. I want to tell him "really? this is all you got? dO bEttr!" I am about to touch his shoulder. A moment ahead I sense he is going to turn suddenly, but I don't care. He doesn't just turn. A split second, not enough to see, after a whirlwind motion, he has his face against mine, grabbing me by my collar. The face, suddenly a Kabuki-mask like white facade, the eyes large sized red gems. (similar and surely inspired by this:) Spoiler He strongly presses his face against mine, the eyes torn open and teeth clenched. Nothing is said, and all went fast, but the message was clear. "isthisenough?huh?isthisEnough?" I awoke from this dream, possibly with a shout or something. I can't tell, because I lost my sense of time and place for while. I sat in my bed heavily and loudly breathing for who knows how long before I even realized I was anywhere, and what I was doing. You have got to understand, -I tried my best to transmit this with words, which is doomed to fail-, but imagine this: For ~14 years you were master of your dreams. You would know anything that ever happens. You could control all that happens. ...And then suddenly, you don't, and you spiral into nightmare. For the first time since forever, I could not foresee what would be happening. ..And that. It is not a mere breach of dream awareness, you know. That would have been easy. Nonono, oh god, I got tears now. The idea still needed to come from somewhere, right? But I wasn't informed? How so? In this moment a part of me had separated itself from my consciousness, and had gone completely rogue. I had pushed and whipped my sub-conscious, forced it to come up with crazier and crazier horror stories to entertain me, but of course, nothing could ever work as long as it comes from me. ...And so, eventually, it didn't. Jeez, well, I don't know how many people can come to situations like these, but that was my one time where I felt like I was just an inch away from going literally insane. I had unbeknownst trained the dream generator part in me to be better and better at acting against me, and then, for a brief moment, it split off and became some rogue intelligence, set on hunting me and inducing true terror. The story reads just such and such, but when you are there, and this realization hits you in a split-second, and the horror is right in your face.., and the fracture.... ..Yeah, uh, so in hindsight I am still kind of glad I had an experience like this, because I definitely tread territory there that seems very few people ever get to realize even exists at all. It makes for a good story, but I would definitely not ever risk this again. As said, the terror was deep enough to make me echo it even now by just remembering, so the scars from that night go right into my bones. From then on I never had anything similar, and my regular "nightmares" are still just as vanilla as ever. I of course stopped bullying my dreams, and so I never came close to a situation as this again, and hopefully that will never happen. So, yeah, mmh, when doing the lucid dream thingy, don't force your sub-conscious to work against you. It is bad. Really really really bad
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