guide Skyrim SE for Beginners - V 3.2.6 (Outdated)

Jessica_Degurechaff · October 15, 2021

28 minutes ago, Aylis said:

You wanted to know what to do with the ESM and ESL and where to place them. Or did i completely misunderstand that?

That is part of the question, but i do know that they are always supposed to be up. the thing is that sometimes (specifically in this case with FertilityMode) i cant place them where i want to:

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I cant move fertility mode up past VanillaScripOptimizations (nor VanillaScripOptimizations down past SMIM) to place them exactly as you have it on the Screenshot

I can move it down (fertility) as much as i want, tho.

Edited October 15, 2021 by Jessica_Degurechaff

Jessica_Degurechaff · October 15, 2021

2 minutes ago, wollboi said:

@Jessica_Degurechaff If it's bold and itallics, I send it to the top. The only esm I have that isn't b&i is Sexlab Attraction. Also, that's the processor I have and I've had nothing but good luck with it so far

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Has anyone noticed any missing textures in Windhelm? I've come across quite a few, all of them with the new geometry added by Capital Windhelm. I've run the BDS patch script. Ones I've noticed are on the top walkways over the Gray Quarter and a few near the western edge of the city interior.

Yeah thats why i want it, i only heard good things about it and my MO is compatible with it, i currently have an I7-8700K; not exactly lackluster or a bad processor, but i could do better.

Windhelm is a mess for me no matter the installation, either people have Blackface bug, have their paths screwed, or theres missing textures around the grey quarter, or geometry/stuff added that makes hard to walk around certain places, all of this happened on the previous ver of the Modlist, im updating to the current one but i would nto hold my breath, place have always give me trouble in general, i just try to avoid that place as much as possible (a shame, i love the old city near buried in snow style it has)

Aylis · October 15, 2021

@Jessica_Degurechaff

Yeah, that one is difficult (no idea what the OA did there).

For the moment leave it there. I'll take a look what can be done about it...

@wollboi @Jessica_Degurechaff

Exact location?

Afaik this only happens when you use an already existing save, a missing patch, broken textures or there's something wrong with the LO.

Edited October 15, 2021 by Aylis

Jessica_Degurechaff · October 15, 2021

1 hour ago, Aylis said:

@wollboi @Jessica_Degurechaff

Exact location?

Afaik this only happens when you use an already existing save, a missing patch, broken textures or there's something wrong with the LO.

will check on later since im currently runing DynDolods and the other tools but i 100% guarantee that i tried using new characters just to check that place bugs since i like to live there.

On that note, does old saves affect current ones? they should not but one never knows with beteshda

Edited October 15, 2021 by Jessica_Degurechaff

jaeos · October 15, 2021

2 hours ago, Apollonir said:

Thanks for the advice everyone,

I think I at least have a basic grasp on the way all this works (I've already followed Just Don't's guide) and I've made it through Aylis' guide now without errors (already ran Sync Plugins and dealt with Delinquent Masters). That being said, your explanation of bold .esms, unbolded .esms, .esls, and .esps @Temphyx was useful to make sure I was doing things right.

I should clarify that I do crash a few seconds after clicking "new game" before anything actually renders, and only suspected racemenu because of a single frame I saw just before one of the crashes I tested. This is my first time with Skyrim SE on PC, so I don't have any preexisting saves yet, but I'll give that a try.

Additionally, I think I am following the guide's mod list very closely, only including the FNIS creature pack, "Fertility Adventures," and "Battle Fuck!" on top as far as I can tell (I will try without these soon)

I'll try your suggestion @jaeos and configure mods in the mod menu before trying to start a new game.

There are some things about testing which mods may be causing I would like to know though:

- Do I have to rebuild the Bashed Patch every time I change loaded mods?

- Is there a way to maintain patch load order between deactivation and reactivation of a mod?

- Are there some mods that deactivating would cause problems? For example, If I have Rudy ENB set up on my SE install, would deactivating its corresponding mod cause issues?

Lastly, a couple other things I'm unsure of the relevancy of:

- My grass pre-caching process eventually started crashing immediately after launching, making no progress after running for a few hours. Should I use the incomplete(?) cache? Or could there be other issues that this would cause?

- My DnDOLOD (3.0) run starts with about a minute of warning and error messages, but eventually begins generating object LOD etc. Is this normal with this mod list?

- I'm using the Greek Goddess bodyslide preset and Aylis' Bodyslide SRA, and have not generated any files with bodyslide. should I?

Once again, thank you all for the help, and all future help is greatly appreciated.

not quite what i meant. Aylis used to use Live another life mod to skip the carriage ride to helgin. if you use that mod it loads into a cell with your PC in prisoner rags with just a little food and anything a mod adds. Which allows your game to finish loading some mods (sexlab doesn't finish loading until you reload from a save or tell it to load, which makes all the sex stuff not work) skyrim unbound does the same thing. Almost. You can preload armor or anything onto your PC from the beginning, before it actually renders your PC. I personally use LAL rather than SU, I just like the way it acts better.

You said you had 1-2 frames you could see. did it look like a room, or a flying view of helgen? If it was a flying view of helgen i suspect your SU made an error and crashed. If nothing else, install LAL in the same spot Skyrim Unbound is (left and right pane) disable SU and (for testing) the wrye bash esm at the bottom. (and any other mods saying you are missing a master.) turn off SU and launch the game. if you have no issues loading into the prison cell and can edit your PC. Exit, delete the saves, turn SU back on (move the .esp back to where it was) and try again (without wryebash and the rest) if you do not have an issue, exit again and turn on any mods you did need to turn off. (should have been only wryebash) if you CTD again, run wryebash and just right click the esm and rebuild, not create a new esm.

Jessica_Degurechaff · October 15, 2021

@Aylis
Im currently waiting DynDOLOD to finish (it DOES takes a lot more than it used to?) and while i was checking armors to add... do we still have SMP on the guide? because i dont remember installing it and on the CBBE 3BBB the instructions specifically says to get CBPC (and thus not picking the SMP with CBPC options)

TDLR: do we still have SMP on the guide and armors using it can still be installed? (and everything that may need SMP to work)

Edited October 15, 2021 by Jessica_Degurechaff

Jessica_Degurechaff · October 15, 2021

Just now, yeah758 said:

I found this mod for the black face bug.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/42441

I am well aware of the many mods that claim to fix this but don't. I am not going to paste the explanation here since you can go there. Be aware that it will have a performance penalty is at best a temp fix for improperly done facegen. Having said that It solved several of my NPC hair addons issues and know I can enjoy KS hair on most NPC's.

I do use that one for another mirror installation of this same guide (i just edited it heavily but used the guide as a base) i canm confirm it does fixes *MOST* of the NPC blackfaces, and if it got it right with a change as big as SkyFem i doubt it would hurt on most cases

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@yeah758 Oh totally, im not a FPS slave so as long as its nor uterly unplayable/unstable or haves less than 20 fps i dont really care, but i just think its the moment to do so, the 8700K is hella powerful and haves NEVER let me down even once, but i could use one better and my current job allows it, so eh, why not? (ik why not: find one seller that haves it or its not ripping you off) Im currently aiming for the best my MO can handle (i9-9900) but overall the difference is not that big as you say, even benchmark websites tell me that, but at the same time EVERYTHING on my current rig is new (it has like 6 months since i build it, nothing in terms of PC lifespan) ONLY the CPU has some years on his back. Meh, its just a future plan, im not actively seeking out the CPU but i still find annoying how i WANT to buy something but its hard to do so without literally checking the stores every 2 minutes.

Apollonir · October 15, 2021

3 hours ago, Apollonir said:

Thanks for the advice everyone,

I think I at least have a basic grasp on the way all this works (I've already followed Just Don't's guide) and I've made it through Aylis' guide now without errors (already ran Sync Plugins and dealt with Delinquent Masters). That being said, your explanation of bold .esms, unbolded .esms, .esls, and .esps @Temphyx was useful to make sure I was doing things right.

I should clarify that I do crash a few seconds after clicking "new game" before anything actually renders, and only suspected racemenu because of a single frame I saw just before one of the crashes I tested. This is my first time with Skyrim SE on PC, so I don't have any preexisting saves yet, but I'll give that a try.

Additionally, I think I am following the guide's mod list very closely, only including the FNIS creature pack, "Fertility Adventures," and "Battle Fuck!" on top as far as I can tell (I will try without these soon)

I'll try your suggestion @jaeos and configure mods in the mod menu before trying to start a new game.

There are some things about testing which mods may be causing I would like to know though:

- Do I have to rebuild the Bashed Patch every time I change loaded mods?

- Is there a way to maintain patch load order between deactivation and reactivation of a mod?

- Are there some mods that deactivating would cause problems? For example, If I have Rudy ENB set up on my SE install, would deactivating its corresponding mod cause issues?

Lastly, a couple other things I'm unsure of the relevancy of:

- My grass pre-caching process eventually started crashing immediately after launching, making no progress after running for a few hours. Should I use the incomplete(?) cache? Or could there be other issues that this would cause?

- My DnDOLOD (3.0) run starts with about a minute of warning and error messages, but eventually begins generating object LOD etc. Is this normal with this mod list?

- I'm using the Greek Goddess bodyslide preset and Aylis' Bodyslide SRA, and have not generated any files with bodyslide. should I?

Once again, thank you all for the help, and all future help is greatly appreciated.

So I've been doing some mod activation/deactivation, and I've found That without "Alternate Start" (LAL) I can get something to render without crashing. I load in to the carriage, but with the camera inside of another guy's face. But after a few seconds, it crashes anyway. The messages in the upper left corner makes it to some things about SoS pubic hair beforehand.

This leads me to believe that it isn't actually alternate start that's causing the crashes, but something else related to... maybe the player? I'll keep poking around to try and find the cause, but do any of you have a guess on what kind of mod might be causing this?

Edited October 15, 2021 by Apollonir

Apollonir · October 15, 2021

41 minutes ago, jaeos said:

not quite what i meant. Aylis used to use Live another life mod to skip the carriage ride to helgin. if you use that mod it loads into a cell with your PC in prisoner rags with just a little food and anything a mod adds. Which allows your game to finish loading some mods (sexlab doesn't finish loading until you reload from a save or tell it to load, which makes all the sex stuff not work) skyrim unbound does the same thing. Almost. You can preload armor or anything onto your PC from the beginning, before it actually renders your PC. I personally use LAL rather than SU, I just like the way it acts better.

You said you had 1-2 frames you could see. did it look like a room, or a flying view of helgen? If it was a flying view of helgen i suspect your SU made an error and crashed. If nothing else, install LAL in the same spot Skyrim Unbound is (left and right pane) disable SU and (for testing) the wrye bash esm at the bottom. (and any other mods saying you are missing a master.) turn off SU and launch the game. if you have no issues loading into the prison cell and can edit your PC. Exit, delete the saves, turn SU back on (move the .esp back to where it was) and try again (without wryebash and the rest) if you do not have an issue, exit again and turn on any mods you did need to turn off. (should have been only wryebash) if you CTD again, run wryebash and just right click the esm and rebuild, not create a new esm.

Oh, I haven't been using Skyrim Unleashed, I've been using Alternate Start - Live Another Life this whole time. As mentioned above, removing this mod lets me load into the carriage, but I still crash after a little while. Thanks for the suggestions though.

Jessica_Degurechaff · October 15, 2021

47 minutes ago, yeah758 said:

You need both HDT-SMP and CBPC. You can use both for different things at the same time.

A little background

HDT-SMP was for OLDRIM and cannot be ported over. I am not going to name names but the guy was in China and was flaky at responding. He had no desire to develop physics for SE. In the meantime someone developed CBPC for SE. Shortly after this the Chinese guy released the source code and HDT-SMP was released to SE by new authors. So know we have two two types of physics for SE. HDT-SMP reacts to world around and appears more realistic but the penalty is performance and some downright strange interactions with animations. I mean breast that stretch 10' long during sexlab animations or my breasts, and butt is flat on entering a new cell and I will have to jump to fix it. CBPC is less buggy but is preprogrammed and doesn't react to the environment as well if at all but it doesn't have a performance penalty. This a personal preference with no clear answer. I will tell you can't HDT-SMP everything or you will get a slide show.

Right but how do i do that? I mean that prior to this version of the guide we changed around via a key, Does this version of the guide still does that? I legit NEVER had any problems with either SMP or CBPC so i would like to have both in this version as well.

Oh thats interesting, thats why most asian mods always use SMP ?

i guess ill use the one that marks that uses both then

Edited October 15, 2021 by Jessica_Degurechaff

Aylis · October 15, 2021

1 hour ago, Jessica_Degurechaff said:

i guess ill use the one that marks that uses both then

Thats up to you...

@yeah758

1. Bigger pics still belong into spoilers.

2. It doesn't matter how often someone 'discovers' this mod. It only hides the problem, but it doesn't fix it.

For a fix you have to check the LO or if a patch is missing.

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Added a small 'how-to' to check if the creation of the grass cache is working.

Added informations for settings of the creation of the tree LOD.

Removed already fixed bug entries.

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The creation of the textures for DynDOLOD is really strange. Sometimes it is really fast and the next time it crawls on a snails pace... The 'Defender AV' is not much help either. The selfactivation of its functions might well play into it.

Edited October 15, 2021 by Aylis

Jessica_Degurechaff · October 15, 2021

24 minutes ago, Aylis said:

The 'Defender AV' is not much help either. The selfactivation of its functions might well play into it.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH TIME THAT HAVES SAVED ME
For real now, i just wasted 2 hours of my life checking MO2 configs because nemesis gave me an error each time i tried to run it "..nemesis cant copy files into..." or "nemesis cant find the specify rute"

if it wasnt because i read The 'Defender AV' and thought of windows defender i would have keep having this issue

You should put a warning "deactivate windows antivirus when runing nemesis" , just tested using my laptop and the exact same thing happened.. maybe i just have bad luck tho, but turning off windows defender stuff solved it

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Windows Defender off:

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Edited October 15, 2021 by Jessica_Degurechaff

Aylis · October 15, 2021

There already is an entry regarding AV in post #3.

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Waiting for the last crash of the 'grass cache' generation...

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Starting to look good

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First steps of improving the shadows work too.

Edited October 15, 2021 by Aylis

Jessica_Degurechaff · October 15, 2021

what is Bodyslide - SRA for? I mean its quite clear Bodyslide stuff but why? dont we already have greek predones and the others? What type of body is SRA?

Aylis · October 15, 2021

1 minute ago, Jessica_Degurechaff said:

what is Bodyslide - SRA for? I mean its quite clear Bodyslide stuff but why? dont we already have greek predones and the others? What type of body is SRA?

SRA - Simply Realistic Armor

You don't want to bodyslide those...

Alkzis · October 15, 2021

@Aylis hey there, sorry for bothering but im having an issue with Wyre:

I dont really know what i did wrong since i followed the list to the T and i already did an installation on the past so i was aware of moving some master files around.. but im lost this time, some help please?

Got it fixed, for some reason Ordination (main) was somewhere random

Edited October 15, 2021 by Alkzis

Tops34 · October 15, 2021

26 minutes ago, Alkzis said:

@Aylis hey there, sorry for bothering but im having an issue with Wyre:

I dont really know what i did wrong since i followed the list to the T and i already did an installation on the past so i was aware of moving some master files around.. but im lost this time, some help please?

The esps are ordered wrongly. Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim should come first, than the two patches.

Edited October 15, 2021 by Tops34

alaunus01 · October 15, 2021

@Jessica_Degurechaff 8700k to 9900k will not be a WOW upgrade. What I would do instead is this: Keep your current system for roughly another year, it really is nothing to sneeze at. End of '22 you can get a nice z790 board (when manufacturers had plenty of time to sort out the z690 kinks), ddr5 ram should be cheaper (knocks on wood) and raptor lake releases. i5k with 14 cores i9k with 24. That will be an amazing upgrade and you will not feel silly for getting an older eightcore chip today.

On the other hand when all the early adaptors jump to alder lake next month you might be able to get a used 9900k for really cheap. But it would have to be really close to 100 bucks to not feel like a waste of perfectly good money.

@Aylis When this offtopic chatter gets annoying just say the word.

Aylis · October 15, 2021

45 minutes ago, alaunus01 said:

When this offtopic chatter gets annoying just say the word.

Its OK.

As i'm primarily using AMD for years now it is interesting to see whats offered across the border (so to speak). Also i see this as a part of modding so i'm fine with general talk about hardware.

MK198914 · October 15, 2021

Can I ask As I am currently doing clean instal and I am following (Bit loosely your guide) why is 3BA in the final part of the mod list and not in the PC section?

Cheers MK

wollboi · October 15, 2021

I did think it was odd that when I fiddled with my antivirus settings all of a sudden DynDOLOD finished in around 45 minutes. That's unheard of, but it still looks fine.

asebw · October 15, 2021

On 10/14/2021 at 9:20 AM, akadeadpool said:

Mans, it feels terrible when Beth breaks the modding community again with AE. Worse, AE doesn't seems to add anything significant like LE to SE.

I assume by going from the Visual Studio 2015 to 2019 compiler, it might (?) help the game run smoother? Idk. Honestly, a part of me feels like Beth is fucking with modders, but, at the same time, updating to the 2019 compiler might give the game a longer overall life.

As for adding things, apparently, some of the CC content might be given away for free when you buy AE?

alaunus01 · October 15, 2021

9 minutes ago, asebw said:

[...]As for adding things, apparently, some of the CC content might be given away for free when you buy AE?

All of the CC and then some yet unreleased stuff.

Not exactly sure if SE will (involuntary) autoupgrade into AE or it is going to be an extra purchase.

akadeadpool · October 15, 2021

Oh right, eFPS - Official Patch Hub now has patch for JK Skyrim. It's time to test how much FPS I can gain.

Aylis · October 15, 2021

3 hours ago, asebw said:

As for adding things, apparently, some of the CC content might be given away for free when you buy AE?

When you not buy it then you get 'Survival', 'Fishing' and 'Saints and Sinners' if you already have all expansions. Otherwise that what @alaunus01 wrote.

But the update to the game will most likely be done in both cases and that will break a lot of mods.

@MK198914

Its in the description/comments of the mod.

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Nailing down the last texture errors. The map almost looks right (so there are still some hidden 'almost right' textures), but it is way better and not so obvious as before. I still think 'Fluffy Snow' looks off. When we get snow here it is much smoother and the top is usually frozen too.

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But with that amount of endorsements the OA must have gotten something right...

Anyway, so far this is the only snow texture (already tested a few) that doesn't cause any issues and blends well with the other mods for the landscape.

Atm. it looks like those will be changed

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Mods to remove

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Improved Rock and Cliff Collision Incompatible to the mountain textures/meshes

Skyrim - A Mountainous Experience ''

RUSTIC AMULETS - Special Edition Gets replaced

ElSopa HD - Bonehawk Amulet SE ''

Mods to add

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This might still change!

Misc. Blended Road Fixes