Load CTD.. too many FNIS anims?

[nameuser11]

I got rid of NSAP and installed a bunch of animation packages for SLAL, and FNIS animations went from like 9000 to 16000. Now i CTD when i load a file. I use XXL FNIS for max 20k anims.

 

Heres my load order. I don't really have a good idea of what to uninstall if I have too many animations.

 

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GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=0
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp=1
Heels Sound.esm=1
SexLab.esm=1
OSA.esm=1
hdtHighHeel.esm=1
SexLabAroused.esm=1
RaceCompatibility.esm=1
ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1
skyrimsoundtrackexpansion.esp=1
Vivid Weathers.esp=1
Vivid Weathers - Dragonborn.esp=1
Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp=1
Heavenly Weather Systems.esp=1
Heavenly Weather Systems SoS.esp=0
Heavenly Weather Systems AoS.esp=0
Dark Fantasy Weather Systems.esp=0
Dark Fantasy Weather Systems SoS.esp=0
Dark Fantasy Weather Systems AoS.esp=0
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp=1
RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
RelightingSkyrim_Legendary.esp=1
Immersive Interiors.esp=1
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
MoreBanditCamps(Original-Edition).esp=1
Skyrim - Wrath of the Lich King.esp=1
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp=1
RavenCastle.esp=1
lotr 4.esp=1
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1
MilkModNEW.esp=1
MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp=1
quest_pitfighter.esp=1
Customizable Camera.esp=1
Luxury Collection.esp=1
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp=1
KS Hairdo's.esp=1
SimplyKnock.esp=1
HDTTailsEquipable.esp=1
HugMe.esp=1
Real Flying.esp=1
Animated Fairy Wings.esp=1
ImmersiveFP.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
MikanEyes All in one.esp=1
Silverlight Armor.esp=1
Jojjos Warglaives.esp=1
MistySkye.esp=1
Elewin Sunglasses.esp=1
LV_Mari.esp=1
MSZ CathedralXmas.esp=1
Shiny Catsuits.esp=1
whiterunqueenarmor.esp=1
quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp=1
HDT Piercingsets.esp=1
FNISspells.esp=1
voidLetsGetNaked.esp=1
SexLabMatchMaker.esp=1
SexLab_Solutions.esp=1
SexLabDefeat.esp=1
Wa Ribbon.esp=1
FS_UltimateAssortment.esp=1
SFO - Dragonborn.esp=1
SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp=1
getSnowy.esp=1
SexLab Dangerously Nude.esp=1
Halo's Poser.esp=0
alcoholiceffect.esp=1
j3x-autocrossbows.esp=1
vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp=1
Follow me for Sex.esp=1
havellagrie.esp=1
Accessorize.esp=1
Dual Sheath Redux.esp=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp=1
ThunderBirdArmor.esp=1
PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp=1
PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp=1
dcc-buttplug.esp=1
00FacialExpressions.esp=1
RandomIdleAnimation.esp=1
UIExtensions.esp=1
nem-e5i5's RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
Gotha Rensa.esp=1
Fox 42 and 46.esp=1
Dynasty Armor.esp=1
Ebony Valkyrie Armor.esp=1
HDT Maid Outfit.esp=1
Converse Shoes.esp=1
Fairytale.esp=1
Minou Renzuneiyi CBBE TBBP.esp=1
ShakeIt!.esp=1
ShakeItSomeMore!.esp=1
HDT Maid Outfit Slot Change.esp=1
TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp=1
RutahTattooPack.esp=1
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp=1
princess.esp=1
bm_SimpleAction.esp=1
sextoys-calyps-2.esp=1
Dancing Shadow Rose.esp=1
winter_snow.esp=1
[NINI] Fire Keeper.esp=1
BDO_Kibelius.esp=1
Follower Yvonne .esp=1
AK_RM_PubicStyles_All_In_One.esp=1
Volrina.esp=1
[NINI] Bless 0001.esp=1
[NINI] Bless MD 0001.esp=1
[NINI]DawleySyande.esp=1
[NINI]Karlstein.esp=1
[NINI]Kokoro.esp=1
NiniHair.esp=1
[NINI]Sister.esp=1
CumOnAnything.esp=1
XPMSE.esp=1
SOSRaceMenu.esp=1
CitrusHead - Standalone.esp=1
Public Poser.esp=1
KvPlainDollOutfit.esp=1
Alexia CatGarter.esp=1
FallenMoon Set 4.esp=1
MiniBikini.esp=1
MilkModNEW HF.esp=1
MilkModNEW Sanbox.esp=1
MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp=1
TeraSuccubusArmor.esp=1
Tempest.esp=1
[Dint] BDO_Sorc_Cartian.esp=1
[NINI] Dragon Rises.esp=1
P1FlyingRing.esp=1
Animated Dragon Wings.esp=1
AddItemMenu2.esp=1
Animations.esp=1
NewmillerDarkVampKnight.esp=1
Heroes_Regina.esp=1
KuWaV3.esp=1
LYD_Heels&Stockings.esp=1
Panties V2.esp=1
Vividian - Red light Fix.esp=1
MuscularWomen_Diesel_AR.esp=1
Bowsette.esp=1
natsuno.esp=1
Bound Shield.esp=1
wardstaggeronhit.esp=1
DLSkyrim.esp=1
SOS Equipable Schlong.esp=1
FloppySOS.esp=1
KunN_NewCloth.esp=1
ElvenChainMail.esp=1
[Dint] BDO Dark_Knight 2.esp=1
Dovakini.esp=1
Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp=1
[Dint] BDO Dark_Knight (Female).esp=1
GPArmorPack3.esp=1
Commonwealth Shorts.esp=1
BrighterTorchesBiggerMagelight.esp=1
Vividian - Torches Preset.esp=1
posesivecorpses.esp=1
StojaMakeupPack.esp=1
FalmerSlayer.esp=1
VindictusMixRobes.esp=1
FNIS.esp=1
FollowerPotions.esp=1
Animation Objects - Merged.esp=1
Poser Hotkeys.esp=1
NewArmoury.esp=1
GRIM ZeroTwo.esp=1
SUPERSAFE DWARVEN ROCKET BOOTS.esp=1
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp=1
Amb_SimaEffect.esp=1
SSAssist_Tools.esp=1
Magelight Multi Cast.esp=1
MyraTheTaffyDragon.esp=1
SLAnimLoader.esp=1
SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp=1
SAP.esp=1
AnubAnimObj.esp=1
NibblesAnimObjects.esp=1
SLALAnimObj.esp=1
SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp=1
SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp=1
Real Clouds.esp=1
 

 

[Uncle64]

You do have some issues.

First you should not have that many animations. Start by removing some even if you have Fnis XXL.

Second you have both CBBE and UNP files installed. Remove the body type you dont use.

 

You have RDO and FCO installed they are not compatible, if you have them installed you need to have RDO after FCO. And RDO should be loaded after any mod like EFF/UFO/AFT.

 

This one is dogdy to. Since it contains old Papyrus files.

vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp=1

 

You should read this tread carefull. It is not one suggestion, it is one demand.

 

[Psalam]

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1 hour ago, nameuser11 said:

I got rid of NSAP and installed a bunch of animation packages for SLAL, and FNIS animations went from like 9000 to 16000. Now i CTD when i load a file. I use XXL FNIS for max 20k anims.

 

Heres my load order. I don't really have a good idea of what to uninstall if I have too many animations.

 

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GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=0
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp=1
Heels Sound.esm=1
SexLab.esm=1
OSA.esm=1
hdtHighHeel.esm=1
SexLabAroused.esm=1
RaceCompatibility.esm=1
ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1
skyrimsoundtrackexpansion.esp=1
Vivid Weathers.esp=1
Vivid Weathers - Dragonborn.esp=1
Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp=1
Heavenly Weather Systems.esp=1
Heavenly Weather Systems SoS.esp=0
Heavenly Weather Systems AoS.esp=0
Dark Fantasy Weather Systems.esp=0
Dark Fantasy Weather Systems SoS.esp=0
Dark Fantasy Weather Systems AoS.esp=0
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp=1
RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
RelightingSkyrim_Legendary.esp=1
Immersive Interiors.esp=1
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
MoreBanditCamps(Original-Edition).esp=1
Skyrim - Wrath of the Lich King.esp=1
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp=1
RavenCastle.esp=1
lotr 4.esp=1
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1
MilkModNEW.esp=1
MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp=1
quest_pitfighter.esp=1
Customizable Camera.esp=1
Luxury Collection.esp=1
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp=1
KS Hairdo's.esp=1
SimplyKnock.esp=1
HDTTailsEquipable.esp=1
HugMe.esp=1
Real Flying.esp=1
Animated Fairy Wings.esp=1
ImmersiveFP.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
MikanEyes All in one.esp=1
Silverlight Armor.esp=1
Jojjos Warglaives.esp=1
MistySkye.esp=1
Elewin Sunglasses.esp=1
LV_Mari.esp=1
MSZ CathedralXmas.esp=1
Shiny Catsuits.esp=1
whiterunqueenarmor.esp=1
quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp=1
HDT Piercingsets.esp=1
FNISspells.esp=1
voidLetsGetNaked.esp=1
SexLabMatchMaker.esp=1
SexLab_Solutions.esp=1
SexLabDefeat.esp=1
Wa Ribbon.esp=1
FS_UltimateAssortment.esp=1
SFO - Dragonborn.esp=1
SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp=1
getSnowy.esp=1
SexLab Dangerously Nude.esp=1
Halo's Poser.esp=0
alcoholiceffect.esp=1
j3x-autocrossbows.esp=1
vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp=1
Follow me for Sex.esp=1
havellagrie.esp=1
Accessorize.esp=1
Dual Sheath Redux.esp=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp=1
ThunderBirdArmor.esp=1
PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp=1
PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp=1
dcc-buttplug.esp=1
00FacialExpressions.esp=1
RandomIdleAnimation.esp=1
UIExtensions.esp=1
nem-e5i5's RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
Gotha Rensa.esp=1
Fox 42 and 46.esp=1
Dynasty Armor.esp=1
Ebony Valkyrie Armor.esp=1
HDT Maid Outfit.esp=1
Converse Shoes.esp=1
Fairytale.esp=1
Minou Renzuneiyi CBBE TBBP.esp=1
ShakeIt!.esp=1
ShakeItSomeMore!.esp=1
HDT Maid Outfit Slot Change.esp=1
TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp=1
RutahTattooPack.esp=1
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp=1
princess.esp=1
bm_SimpleAction.esp=1
sextoys-calyps-2.esp=1
Dancing Shadow Rose.esp=1
winter_snow.esp=1
[NINI] Fire Keeper.esp=1
BDO_Kibelius.esp=1
Follower Yvonne .esp=1
AK_RM_PubicStyles_All_In_One.esp=1
Volrina.esp=1
[NINI] Bless 0001.esp=1
[NINI] Bless MD 0001.esp=1
[NINI]DawleySyande.esp=1
[NINI]Karlstein.esp=1
[NINI]Kokoro.esp=1
NiniHair.esp=1
[NINI]Sister.esp=1
CumOnAnything.esp=1
XPMSE.esp=1
SOSRaceMenu.esp=1
CitrusHead - Standalone.esp=1
Public Poser.esp=1
KvPlainDollOutfit.esp=1
Alexia CatGarter.esp=1
FallenMoon Set 4.esp=1
MiniBikini.esp=1
MilkModNEW HF.esp=1
MilkModNEW Sanbox.esp=1
MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp=1
TeraSuccubusArmor.esp=1
Tempest.esp=1
[Dint] BDO_Sorc_Cartian.esp=1
[NINI] Dragon Rises.esp=1
P1FlyingRing.esp=1
Animated Dragon Wings.esp=1
AddItemMenu2.esp=1
Animations.esp=1
NewmillerDarkVampKnight.esp=1
Heroes_Regina.esp=1
KuWaV3.esp=1
LYD_Heels&Stockings.esp=1
Panties V2.esp=1
Vividian - Red light Fix.esp=1
MuscularWomen_Diesel_AR.esp=1
Bowsette.esp=1
natsuno.esp=1
Bound Shield.esp=1
wardstaggeronhit.esp=1
DLSkyrim.esp=1
SOS Equipable Schlong.esp=1
FloppySOS.esp=1
KunN_NewCloth.esp=1
ElvenChainMail.esp=1
[Dint] BDO Dark_Knight 2.esp=1
Dovakini.esp=1
Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp=1
[Dint] BDO Dark_Knight (Female).esp=1
GPArmorPack3.esp=1
Commonwealth Shorts.esp=1
BrighterTorchesBiggerMagelight.esp=1
Vividian - Torches Preset.esp=1
posesivecorpses.esp=1
StojaMakeupPack.esp=1
FalmerSlayer.esp=1
VindictusMixRobes.esp=1
FNIS.esp=1
FollowerPotions.esp=1
Animation Objects - Merged.esp=1
Poser Hotkeys.esp=1
NewArmoury.esp=1
GRIM ZeroTwo.esp=1
SUPERSAFE DWARVEN ROCKET BOOTS.esp=1
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp=1
Amb_SimaEffect.esp=1
SSAssist_Tools.esp=1
Magelight Multi Cast.esp=1
MyraTheTaffyDragon.esp=1
SLAnimLoader.esp=1
SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp=1
SAP.esp=1
AnubAnimObj.esp=1
NibblesAnimObjects.esp=1
SLALAnimObj.esp=1
SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp=1
SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp=1
Real Clouds.esp=1
 

 

 

 

First, if you change your load order for any reason you need to run LOOT and FNIS (and correct any errors that they show) and start a new game. Changin load orders and trying to load a saved game will, sooner or later, lead to a CTD (yes, you can sometimes work around this but that is not the point).

Second, run FNIS and post the output here. This should begin with a description of your skeleton and end with the number of animations that you successfully loaded.

[MadMansGun]

13 hours ago, nameuser11 said:

installed a bunch of animation packages for SLAL, and FNIS animations went from like 9000 to 16000

for most people Skyrim will start crashing around 12000-14000 (human + creature)

so yes, you have too many animations.

[27X]

20K is not the limit, it's the capacity. 14K global for all and every is the cap, period.

[MadMansGun]

7 minutes ago, 27X said:

20K is not the limit, it's the capacity. 14K global for all and every is the cap, period.

*but not always, a few have gotten to the 16000-18000 range before crashing but we still don't know how.

[SpyVsPie]

6 minutes ago, MadMansGun said:

*but not always, a few have gotten to the 16000-18000 range before crashing but we still don't know how.

Yeah I regularly run at 15-16k just fine but lots are static poses and I have no script heavy mods outside of a few sexlab related doodads. Also on SSE which I suppose may be able to handle high numbers better but I have never heard anything to either confirm or deny that. 

[MadMansGun]

3 minutes ago, SpyVsPie said:

Yeah I regularly run at 15-16k just fine but lots are static poses and I have no script heavy mods outside of a few sexlab related doodads. Also on SSE which I suppose may be able to handle high numbers better but I have never heard anything to either confirm or deny that. 

i have seen many cases of SSE users crashing within the same 12000-14000 zone, so being 64bit won't save you here, whatever the problem is probably has something to do with the save file's 16bit string limit thing that both versions of the game has.

[27X]

No one's gotten that in a stable game they can play through.

[GenioMaestro]

It seems that the game does NOT have a specific LIMIT on the number of animations.

 

Have a limit on the number of EVENTS that can be linked to animations.

 

When Fnis generates the behavior files with FnisForMODDERS, different events are created within the behaviors for each TYPE of animation and for each PARAMETER of the animation. In that way, SOME animations need more events, while other animations need fewer events. When the event table for the animations is fully filled, the game does CTD. Therefore, when using pose mods, you can have 16k animations, while using normal mods you can only have 14k and when you add AA the maximum number is 12k (EDIT: EXCLUDING CREATURES)

 

I discovered it past week and informed @fore and they are investigating the problem and looking for a definitive solution in an XXXL version of FNIS.

 

EDIT:

The game have a DIFERENT Event Table for each RACE in the game.

The way of sum Character + Creatures is TOTALLY INCORRECT.

That sum only give a FALSE number of animations that have none relation with the CTD.

The game made CTD because the CHARACTER (AND ONLY THE CHARACTER) animation event table is full.

For have CTD by creatures the game must completelly fill the animation event table in ONE of the creatures races and i presume that for that you must have more than 10k animations for the SAME creature race. As not exist enougth animations for the SAME creature race is imposible have a CTD by excesive animations events in the creature section.

Then, you can add as many creature animations that you want because the CTD is caused UNIQUE AND EXCLUSIVELY, for now, when the CHARACTER event table is totally filled.

[Schreiner]

On 2/19/2019 at 10:12 AM, GenioMaestro said:

It seems that the game does NOT have a specific LIMIT on the number of animations.

 

Have a limit on the number of EVENTS that can be linked to animations.

 

When Fnis generates the behavior files with FnisForMODDERS, different events are created within the behaviors for each TYPE of animation and for each PARAMETER of the animation. In that way, SOME animations need more events, while other animations need fewer events. When the event table for the animations is fully filled, the game does CTD. Therefore, when using pose mods, you can have 16k animations, while using normal mods you can only have 14k and when you add AA the maximum number is 12k (EDIT: EXCLUDING CREATURES)

 

I discovered it past week and informed @fore and they are investigating the problem and looking for a definitive solution in an XXXL version of FNIS.

 

EDIT:

The game have a DIFERENT Event Table for each RACE in the game.

The way of sum Character + Creatures is TOTALLY INCORRECT.

That sum only give a FALSE number of animations that have none relation with the CTD.

The game made CTD because the CHARACTER (AND ONLY THE CHARACTER) animation event table is full.

For have CTD by creatures the game must completelly fill the animation event table in ONE of the creatures races and i presume that for that you must have more than 10k animations for the SAME creature race. As not exist enougth animations for the SAME creature race is imposible have a CTD by excesive animations events in the creature section.

Then, you can add as many creature animations that you want because the CTD is caused UNIQUE AND EXCLUSIVELY, for now, when the CHARACTER event table is totally filled.

If I understand this right, my character has to many animations and causes CTD, even when I only have about 11k animations (incl. creatures) in FNIS.
So in need to lower human animations?
 

Very helpful for understanding more of CTDs

[MadMansGun]

10 minutes ago, Schreiner said:

If I understand this right, my character has to many animations and causes CTD, even when I only have about 12k animations (incl. creatures) in FNIS.
So in need to lower human animations?

yes, lower the human count, also avoid any "alternative animations" because they lower the amount of animations you can have.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/articles/1168