My Animation Pack. Updated 15/04/23

[irresponsiblewolfy]

Hello I was hoping for some help it seems this mod is installing but not loading for me. I do not know if to post this on this forum or technical support. I left a post with my load order on technical support. If anyone can help me that would be awesome and ty in advance.  I am using the newest version of Vortex.  I try to load up Nuka Ride and it gets stuck at 68% because it needs this animation pack. Should I try to directly unzip this pack into fallout? Or is there some mod that looks for mods  in game to try to force them to start? I am at a loss on what to do. Other animation mods seem to be working just fine. Seems since Vortex got a new version some mods take me a few times of trying to load them until they take.  Ty in advance for any suggestions. 

[vaultbait]

On 11/7/2022 at 4:17 PM, spicydoritos said:

I've had poor luck using placeatme on furniture, for exactly the reason mentioned by lee3310.  On the other hand, aiming the cursor at an empty patch of ground and using placethere (or "pt") works much more consistently for me.

 

Agreed, I've seen precisely the same as well. I just always use placethere for furniture/props because of that, though placeatme is still suitable for spawning actors and physics objects.

[vaultbait]

19 hours ago, irresponsiblewolfy said:

Hello I was hoping for some help it seems this mod is installing but not loading for me. I do not know if to post this on this forum or technical support. I left a post with my load order on technical support. If anyone can help me that would be awesome and ty in advance.  I am using the newest version of Vortex.  I try to load up Nuka Ride and it gets stuck at 68% because it needs this animation pack. Should I try to directly unzip this pack into fallout? Or is there some mod that looks for mods  in game to try to force them to start? I am at a loss on what to do. Other animation mods seem to be working just fine. Seems since Vortex got a new version some mods take me a few times of trying to load them until they take.  Ty in advance for any suggestions. 

 

I've seen some people mention mod deployment problems running Vortex under Windows 11, though I don't recall the details. I've been using Vortex for years with Windows 10 and have never observed the problem.

 

Which version of this animation pack are you installing? Do you have any animation patch mods which are altering it (for example, Ulfbearth's UAP or Indarello's Patch for Animations)?

 

When you install this mod, do you get the FOMOD installer menu giving you a choice of what actor types to install support for? NR needs you to check pretty much all the checkboxes there since it uses animations for robots and various creatures. Not selecting those would result in the exact problem you describe.

 

Your load order is pretty irrelevant, since AAF doesn't rely on plugins for animation data (it's just a pile of XML files in a specific directory).

Edited November 8, 2022 by vaultbait

[irresponsiblewolfy]

5 hours ago, vaultbait said:

 

I've seen some people mention mod deployment problems running Vortex under Windows 11, though I don't recall the details. I've been using Vortex for years with Windows 10 and have never observed the problem.

 

Which version of this animation pack are you installing? Do you have any animation patch mods which are altering it (for example, Ulfbearth's UAP or Indarello's Patch for Animations)?

 

When you install this mod, do you get the FOMOD installer menu giving you a choice of what actor types to install support for? NR needs you to check pretty much all the checkboxes there since it uses animations for robots and various creatures. Not selecting those would result in the exact problem you describe.

 

Your load order is pretty irrelevant, since AAF doesn't rely on plugins for animation data (it's just a pile of XML files in a specific directory).

 I have tried all 3 versions on the DL page. I will look into it more since I am running Win 11 with Vortex. I know just a simple mod like better manufacturing took a dozen times before it took. Yet other mods took on the first install. Yes I am getting the menu every time and check the boxes as well.. Thank you VaultBait  

 

[vaultbait]

15 hours ago, irresponsiblewolfy said:

 I have tried all 3 versions on the DL page.

 

Make sure you're using 1.2.8 (the latest) from June, since NR expects some of the recent additions in it. Also if you're using any animation patches which alter this pack, you need to be sure you're using recent enough versions of those to support SC's 1.2.8.

 

15 hours ago, irresponsiblewolfy said:

I will look into it more since I am running Win 11 with Vortex. I know just a simple mod like better manufacturing took a dozen times before it took. Yet other mods took on the first install.

 

Like I said, I've only heard anecdotal evidence of Vortex issues on Windows 11, so I can't confirm there's an actual problem with that combination.

 

If you think Vortex isn't deploying files from this mod, you can check it yourself. Go into your installed game's Data\AAF folder and look for file names matching SavageCabbage_*.xml since those are what AAF is relying on finding. If they're not present after you set this mod to Enabled and clicked the Deploy button in Vortex, then something is definitely wrong. When you install, you're dragging the 7z file from your browser's downloads to the drop target at the bottom of the Mods view in Vortex, right?

[irresponsiblewolfy]

8 hours ago, vaultbait said:

 

Make sure you're using 1.2.8 (the latest) from June, since NR expects some of the recent additions in it. Also if you're using any animation patches which alter this pack, you need to be sure you're using recent enough versions of those to support SC's 1.2.8.

 

 

Like I said, I've only heard anecdotal evidence of Vortex issues on Windows 11, so I can't confirm there's an actual problem with that combination.

 

If you think Vortex isn't deploying files from this mod, you can check it yourself. Go into your installed game's Data\AAF folder and look for file names matching SavageCabbage_*.xml since those are what AAF is relying on finding. If they're not present after you set this mod to Enabled and clicked the Deploy button in Vortex, then something is definitely wrong. When you install, you're dragging the 7z file from your browser's downloads to the drop target at the bottom of the Mods view in Vortex, right?

 Ty VaultBait. Yes the XML's are all there. So it did install correctly. Must be something else with nuka ride installing and not letting AAF load when NR is installed. TY VaultBait.  You rock.

[lee3310]

Out of curiosity, what's the Female/male scale ratio used for those animations ? i know that normally, it's (1.0 : 1.0) but some of them (like the stool animation) are perfectly aligned when the female scale is 0.98 (0.98 : 1.0)

Edited November 22, 2022 by lee3310

[Vel W]

21 hours ago, lee3310 said:

Out of curiosity, what's the Female/male scale ratio used for those animations ? i know that normally, it's (1.0 : 1.0) but some of them (like the stool animation) are perfectly aligned when the female scale is 0.98 (0.98 : 1.0)

 

0.98: 1.0 FM is a scale that is very common in Skyrim, but here in Fallout 4 it's been 1.0:1.0 for most scenes that I remember. Which of the stool scenes was this? Do you have the name string?

[Axary]

Working staging for robots animations: Protectron + Mr Handy.

 

What did I do and why it works?

Usually staging is a sequence of multiple .hkx files.
But AAF cannot transfer robots from one .hkx to another. So if we use usual staging, the first .hkx file (1st stage) plays fine and all others are broken.
To get around this problem I merged all .hkx into one big .hkx file with long animation. Since all animation stages are now in one .hkx file, AAF doesn't need to transfer robots, and everything works fine.

 

 

Edit:

Fix updated: compatibility with Violate has been added.

 

SC_Robots_Fix.7z

Edited November 23, 2022 by Axary

[lee3310]

1 hour ago, Vel W said:

 

0.98: 1.0 FM is a scale that is very common in Skyrim, but here in Fallout 4 it's been 1.0:1.0 for most scenes that I remember. Which of the stool scenes was this? Do you have the name string?

"SCAP_Stool01_FM_2Human_Doggy" i'm using "UAP" but i think the animation IDs are the same.
If SC also uses 0.98 : 1.0 we can exclude them from AAF auto scaling (i just need a confirmation)

Edited November 23, 2022 by lee3310

[Slorm]

2 hours ago, Axary said:

Working staging for robots animations: Protectron + Mr Handy.

 

What did I do and why it works?

Usually staging is a sequence of multiple .hkx files.
But AAF cannot transfer robots from one .hkx to another. So if we use usual staging, the first .hkx file (1st stage) plays fine and all others are broken.
To get around this problem I merged all .hkx into one big .hkx file with long animation. Since all animation stages are now in one .hkx file, AAF doesn't need to transfer robots, and everything works fine.

 

SC_Robots_Fix.7z 910.05 kB · 13 downloads

 

Brilliant. Thanks for that, it's a really annoying problem where it gets stuck

[Slorm]

3 hours ago, Axary said:

Working staging for robots animations: Protectron + Mr Handy.

 

910.05 kB · 14 downloads

 

Just tested it (with and without it) and I'm getting an AAF error 4 with it installed I'm afraid. If I remove it then the animation starts the first phase

 

Edit: that was using Violate btw to trigger it

Edited November 23, 2022 by Slorm

[Axary]

  

1 hour ago, Slorm said:

Just tested it (with and without it) and I'm getting an AAF error 4 with it installed I'm afraid. If I remove it then the animation starts the first phase

 

Edit: that was using Violate btw to trigger it

Hmm...
I just checked: I installed Violate and ran the scenes with Protectron and Mr. Handy.
Everything works fine, and the AAF log is completely clean.
Please take a screenshot of the errors, so I can understand what went wrong for you.

Edited November 23, 2022 by Axary

[Slorm]

1 hour ago, Axary said:

  

Hmm...
I just checked: I installed Violate and ran the scenes with Protectron and Mr. Handy.
Everything works fine, and the AAF log is completely clean.
Please take a screenshot of the errors, so I can understand what went wrong for you.

 

Okay here you are.

 

I'm spawning in one Protectron (00100d99). Without this patch the scene starts normally. With it in place armour removal is reported then AAF reports an error 4 (as does Provocative Perks) and Violate terminates so the attack begins again. Scrrenshots below:

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

Tested without Provocative Perks (just in case) same result. I did re-download as well in case of a corrupt file

Edited November 23, 2022 by Slorm

[Axary]

15 minutes ago, Slorm said:

Okay here you are.

Can you make a screenshot of the AAF log аfter a failed scene launch?
"Home" -> 3 times "Delete" -> "Enter" to show the administrator menu
Take a screenshot of this menu.

 

I called robot animations without cheats: found the robot -> hit it -> surrendered.
And everything worked correctly.

 

P.S.
You may have some other AAF patches installed which are affecting robots animations.
Make sure my fix is at the bottom of your load order.

Edited November 23, 2022 by Axary

[Slorm]

15 minutes ago, Axary said:

Can you make a screenshot of the AAF log?
"Home" -> 3 times "Delete" -> "Enter" to show the administrator menu
Take a screenshot of this menu.

 

P.S.
You may have some other AAF patches installed which are affecting robots animations.
Make sure my fix is at the bottom of your load order.

 

 

Here you are, I took 2 as I had to scroll it to get them all in.

 

I have also checked to ensure that your xml's are in place (there's no esp/esl) so only the xml's overwriting the originals are important

 

Spoiler

 

[Axary]

2 minutes ago, Slorm said:

Here you are, I took 2 as I had to scroll it to get them all in.

Thank you, that was very helpful, now I understand what's wrong.
I looked at the Violate scripts and realized that you and I are calling different scenarios.
I call the scenario with the tags "Aggressive,Rough,Neutral" and it works.
You call the scenario with the tags "Aggressive,Rough" and it doesn't work.
I've already added the required tags and re-uploaded the fix.
Can you please re-download and test it?

[Slorm]

21 minutes ago, Axary said:

Thank you, that was very helpful, now I understand what's wrong.
I looked at the Violate scripts and realized that you and I are calling different scenarios.
I call the scenario with the tags "Aggressive,Rough,Neutral" and it works.
You call the scenario with the tags "Aggressive,Rough" and it doesn't work.
I've already added the required tags and re-uploaded the fix.
Can you please re-download and test it?

 

Spot on, it's working Tested both Protectron and Mr Handy

 

Many thanks for doing this ?

Edited November 23, 2022 by Slorm

[Axary]

3 minutes ago, Slorm said:

Spot on, it's working

 

Many thanks for doing this

That's great!
Thank you again for your help.

[Oldwolf58]

21 minutes ago, Axary said:

That's great!
Thank you again for your help.

Tested in my load and it works for both Protectron's and Mr. Handy's if placed immediately after Indarello's Patch.

[Vel W]

On 11/23/2022 at 10:30 PM, Axary said:

Working staging for robots animations: Protectron + Mr Handy.

 

What did I do and why it works?

Usually staging is a sequence of multiple .hkx files.
But AAF cannot transfer robots from one .hkx to another. So if we use usual staging, the first .hkx file (1st stage) plays fine and all others are broken.
To get around this problem I merged all .hkx into one big .hkx file with long animation. Since all animation stages are now in one .hkx file, AAF doesn't need to transfer robots, and everything works fine.

 

 

Edit:

Fix updated: compatibility with Violate has been added.

 

SC_Robots_Fix.7z 910.67 kB · 13 downloads

 

Very good work, indeed.

 

Would you consider having this fix of yours being merged into the next update, becoming part of it?

 

I'd like to think that I'm acquianted with the mod author himself enough to facilitate that.

But of course, it is best to check with you first. Make sure you'd be okay with the arrangment.

Edited November 24, 2022 by Vel W
grammar

[Axary]

7 minutes ago, Vel W said:

Would you consider this work of yours being merged into the next update, becoming part of it?

I would be only too glad.
SavageCabbage is my favorite animation pack, and I'll be happy to know that I was able to help the author in some way.

[Vel W]

22 hours ago, Axary said:

I would be only too glad.
SavageCabbage is my favorite animation pack, and I'll be happy to know that I was able to help the author in some way.

 

Nice. While we're at it, I notice that there's "PT1" and "PT2" for the MrHandy's animations. Both only play once, and do not loop back like usual AAF animations.

Would this be fixable so we do not have to re-enter the AAF animation every time?

[Axary]

55 minutes ago, Vel W said:

"PT1" and "PT2"

PT1 and PT2 are the same animation, but with different tags.
Since in F4 there is only one staged animation for each robot, we need to match the tags so that they fit all the mods.
And with 1 animation it is impossible to do that because some mods call animation with settings.excludeTags="Aggressive" and other settings.includeTags="Aggressive".
That's why I made PT1 and PT2, so that there is an animation matching each case.

 

55 minutes ago, Vel W said:

Both only play once, and do not loop back like usual AAF animations.

Would this be fixable so we do not have to re-enter the AAF animation every time?

I purposely made it so that there was no looping.
I hate looping, so I made it so that the AAF closes at the end of the animation. So that the AAF works like Skyrim's SexLab.

The algorithm works like this:

AAF calls "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Staged-PT1"
      "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Staged-PT1" redirects the call to "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Tree"
            "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Tree" sets the exit timer (116.6 seconds) and redirects the call to "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Staged"
                  "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Staged" calls a staged animation.

Calculation of exit timer: number of frames in animation * time of 1 frame

3500*0.033333332=116.6 seconds

 

And yes, of course this option can be removed.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Axary

[Oldwolf58]

10 minutes ago, Axary said:

PT1 and PT2 are the same animation, but with different tags.
Since in F4 there is only one staged animation for each robot, we need to match the tags so that they fit all the mods.
And with 1 animation it is impossible to do that because some mods call animation with settings.excludeTags="Aggressive" and other settings.includeTags="Aggressive".
That's why I made PT1 and PT2, so that there is an animation matching each case.

 

I purposely made it so that there was no looping.
I hate looping, so I made it so that the AAF closes at the end of the animation. So that the AAF works like Skyrim's SexLab.

The algorithm works like this:

AAF calls "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Staged-PT1"
      "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Staged-PT1" redirects the call to "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Tree"
            "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Tree" sets the exit timer (116.6 seconds) and redirects the call to "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Staged"
                  "SC-FM-Handy-Floor01-Staged" calls a staged animation.

Calculation of exit timer: number of frames in animation * time of 1 frame

3500*0.033333332=116.6 seconds

 

And yes, of course this option can be removed.

I actually LIKE the way this works, it's a nice seamless animation run that covers all the parts, begin, sex postures, ending animation, end. I'd rather see it stay as is myself, of course that's just my preference but there it is for what it's worth.