Deviously Cursed Loot SE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[Omnishade]

I have an issue or a bug with DCL and racemenu overlays. I received a slut collar but I want to remove it so I used the safeword in the MCM. It's removed, but if I then save and reload all my overlays like tattoos and makeup are gone, and not just visually. All slots are cleared, and that's a problem because I have rapetats that are timed. Otherwise it would be easy to load a preset. This happens only if I use the safeword.

 

Is there another way to remove it? Can I edit it in SSEEdit and enable cutting and lockpicking?

Edited June 21, 2023 by RoninDog

[Zaflis]

2 hours ago, RoninDog said:

I have an issue or a bug with DCL and racemenu overlays. I received a slut collar but I want to remove it so I used the safeword in the MCM. It's removed, but if I then save and reload all my overlays like tattoos and makeup are gone, and not just visually. All slots are cleared, and that's a problem because I have rapetats that are timed. Otherwise it would be easy to load a preset. This happens only if I use the safeword.

 

Is there another way to remove it? Can I edit it in SSEEdit and enable cutting and lockpicking?

DD and DCL don't have any interactions with tattoos, it's not even an optional dependency to either of them as far as i remember. Do you have some sort of mod that makes tattoos like wearable items?

 

I can only remember something like SL Survival maybe incorporate tattoos in place of DD collar but this relation is so remote i don't even think it's what you are dealing with.

Edited June 21, 2023 by Zaflis

[Omnishade]

13 minutes ago, Zaflis said:

DD and DCL don't have any interactions with tattoos, it's not even an optional dependency to either of them as far as i remember. Do you have some sort of mod that makes tattoos like wearable items?

 

I can only remember something like SL Survival maybe incorporate tattoos in place of DD collar but this relation is so remote i don't even think it's what you are dealing with.

 

I have SL Survival and my character has a neck tattoo from that mod on my current save. But as you're saying, I don't think that's what causing this issue.

[Zaflis]

1 hour ago, RoninDog said:

I have SL Survival and my character has a neck tattoo from that mod on my current save. But as you're saying, I don't think that's what causing this issue.

But slut collar is easy to remove, or hard depending on how you configured it in DCL's MCM menu. It was maybe possible to be tweaked down to 1 sex act and waiting for a single day? But you can also set it not possible to get from cursed traps at all.

 

But ideally you would simply load game when you receive an item you cannot deal with.

 

Now that you said you do have SL Survival it became a potential culprit, but you didn't tell about any other mods. You surely have dozens of other mods that deal with either DD or tattoos. But you cannot be sure unless you make a new game and reproduce it.

Edited June 21, 2023 by Zaflis

[Un Rama]

On 6/20/2023 at 9:45 PM, Zaflis said:

Cursed Collar has no key, it is removed by completing its quest. (Or forcefully from either DCL or DD MCM)

I know about the quest of the cursed collar and how to remove it. I mean, from dd 5.1 there is no padded or lock mechanism on the back of the collar when my PC wear it, and now on DD 5.2 when my PC wear it, it has locking mechanism or padded. So when in whip and chain inn when you touch the collar that said on dialogue box there is no locking mechanism and from the visualisation of the item when my pc wear and it has lock mechanism on it, it lost the meaning of "cursed", since the collar have padlock. So I need help if i want replace the item from previous mod to the new one, where i can find the file item and replace it. Or tutorial on outfitstudio or something else to remove the padlock, since the style the collar has better restrictive style on dd 5.2 than the previous dd 5.1. 

Edited June 21, 2023 by Un Rama

[Elsidia]

52 minutes ago, Un Rama said:

lse to remove the padlock, since the style the collar has better restrictive style on dd 5.2 than the previous dd 5.1. 

It's easy.

Collar are in  ... Skyrim Special Edition\Data\meshes\devious\devices

collarPostureSteel_0.nif and collarPostureSteel_1.nif - just replace those with the same from previous version of mod.

But it will replace all of those types of collars not only for cursed loot.

Also if you use MO2, you need replace this file not in Skyrim folder, but in you DD 5.2 mod folder.

[PanzerMaster]

Is there a way I can set it so it doesn't disable fast travel at all?

[Zaflis]

37 minutes ago, PanzerMaster said:

Is there a way I can set it so it doesn't disable fast travel at all?

No, but that means only the one-time completeable quest chain. There are many breaks during the quest where fast travel is enabled again, and you can choose when to continue doing them again. You can also choose not do those quests at all if you wish.

[Un Rama]

14 hours ago, Elsidia said:

It's easy.

Collar are in  ... Skyrim Special Edition\Data\meshes\devious\devices

collarPostureSteel_0.nif and collarPostureSteel_1.nif - just replace those with the same from previous version of mod.

But it will replace all of those types of collars not only for cursed loot.

Also if you use MO2, you need replace this file not in Skyrim folder, but in you DD 5.2 mod folder.

Oke i'll try it, thnks dude.

[JuliusXX]

I have a bug with the Queen Sarah's Collar. I have the key to remove the Queen Sarah's stuff, but when I remove the collar it always locks back on. If I unlock it and drop it immediately, I just get another copy of the collar locked on me. How can I remove the collar permanently?

[Zaflis]

3 hours ago, JuliusXX said:

I have a bug with the Queen Sarah's Collar. I have the key to remove the Queen Sarah's stuff, but when I remove the collar it always locks back on. If I unlock it and drop it immediately, I just get another copy of the collar locked on me. How can I remove the collar permanently?

Use console commands to remove both inventory and rendered collar, since every devious device is 2 items actually equipped on you. Losing only 1 of them will not get rid of it. It's very rare that such a bug happens but sometimes it does...

 

If you are curious, only reason the "rendered" collar doesn't show in inventory is because its name is empty. But the console command showinventory will see it, as well as the console UI mods.

Edited June 23, 2023 by Zaflis

[JuliusXX]

52 minutes ago, Zaflis said:

Use console commands to remove both inventory and rendered collar, since every devious device is 2 items actually equipped on you. Losing only 1 of them will not get rid of it. It's very rare that such a bug happens but sometimes it does...

 

If you are curious, only reason the "rendered" collar doesn't show in inventory is because its name is empty. But the console command showinventory will see it, as well as the console UI mods.

I managed to remove it by removing both of those items. I made some further testing and for some reason this seems to happen with all collars. 

 

EDIT: Noticed that if I manipulate the lock and put a "normal" collar on, then when I remove it, it locks itself back on and the manipulation is gone. When I after this remove the collar by clicking it in the inventory, it works ok and is removed.

Edited June 23, 2023 by JuliusXX

[Zaflis]

1 hour ago, JuliusXX said:

I managed to remove it by removing both of those items. I made some further testing and for some reason this seems to happen with all collars. 

 

EDIT: Noticed that if I manipulate the lock and put a "normal" collar on, then when I remove it, it locks itself back on and the manipulation is gone. When I after this remove the collar by clicking it in the inventory, it works ok and is removed.

Do you have DD 5.1 or 5.2?

[JuliusXX]

10 hours ago, Zaflis said:

Do you have DD 5.1 or 5.2?

 

I have DD 5.2. I tested this with another character I have in my MO2 and there's no problem. It has a different set of mods so this might be a mod compatibility issue. Or I might have broken my game at some point. Anyway now that Veladarius is back with Captured Dreams I'll start a new game. I will return if this problem still occurs with that one.

[deathsnam]

hello i was wondering if there is a way to change dd animations and where i could find new animations cause getting tired of the same idle animation and struggle

 

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, deathsnam said:

hello i was wondering if there is a way to change dd animations and where i could find new animations cause getting tired of the same idle animation and struggle

 

 

Unless you create new animations yourself, there are no alternatives other than what is in the installer. 

[Koshia]

is there a 3ba conversion of this? cant find anything

[NobodyMan22]

DCL, barely started playing, ran into a problem: MCM refuses to show me DCL's debug menu and to enable rape. Which breaks MCM window (all clicks on mod hub pages show nothing... again, sheesh...

Load order:

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Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm
ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl
ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl
ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
SN_cyber.esl
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
SexLab.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm
SkyrimChainBeasts.esm
ScocLB.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
CreatureFramework.esm
SkyUI_SE.esp
FallenDoll Erika Combat Suit.esp
VGS_Tinker.esp
SkyrimChainBeastsIntegration.esp
Public Whore.esp
NSEnemyPlacer.esp
SexLab More Creatures.esp
Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
SLUTS.esp
SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp
submissivelola_est.esp
RemakeSkirt.esp
KSHairdosSMP.esp
venusvacationhairpack.esp
OC_shrug.esp
Sucettes2.esp
FNISSexyMove.esp
ButtSlap.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
OC_veil.esp
Odinpriest.esp
Tiancheng Dudou Apron.esp
SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
PWComments.esp
RapeTattoos.esp
kal_LolaAddon.esp
SimpleSlavery.esp
Missives.esp
FadeTattoos.esp
dse-display-model.esp
dse-display-model-loadscreens.esp
Food and Hunt Overhaul.esp
EsturkBooze.esp
cfl_LolaAddon.esp
Take A Peek - New Stealth Mechanic.esp
SLNights.esp
VOBScurvy.esp
QuickStart3_NoHelmet.esp
SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp
AnubAnimObj.esp
SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
ArchersKnoughtyFoxes.esp
CBBE.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
FNIS.esp
NCK30Obj.esp
SexLabTools.esp
Devious Devices SE patch.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
ScoclbQuestSexlab.esp
OAroused.esp
OSLAroused.esp
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SexLabMatchMaker.esp
SkyrimChainBeastsDB.esp
SkyrimChainBeastsMM.esp
SkyrimChainBeastsSLUTS.esp
SlaveTats.esp
UIExtensions.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp

 

Full list of archives used to install these mods:

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 1537070476_AnubSLAL022023SSELLver.7z
 1595608377_BakaFactorySLALAnimation6.01.7z
 1607374556_FallenDollErikaCombatOutift.7z
 1842066969_TianchengDudouApron.7z
 573348029_SLAL_Billyy_Animationsv6.7SE.7z
'All in one (Anniversary Edition)-32444-8-1664465359.zip'
'Archers Slal Mega Pack.7z'
'BodySlide and Outfit Studio - v5.6.0-201-5-6-0-1654342850.7z'
"Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer CBBE - v1.8.1-198-1-8-1-1685864367.7z"
 cfl_LolaAddon_Beta_1.0.6.zip
 ConsoleUtilSSE-24858-1-4-0-1665802090.zip
 CreatureFrameworkV3_0.7z
 CrosshairRefEventsFix_v0.0.1.7z
'Devious Devices [SE][AE][VR] 5.2.7z'
'Deviously Cursed Loot SE 9.0.7z'
 dse-display-model-vgamma1.zip
 EsturkBooze.zip
 fadeTattoos_v1.0.7z
'Faster HDT-SMP-57339-2-0-2-beta1-1683229504.7z'
'FNIS Behavior SE 7_6 XXL-3038-7-6-1582110624.7z'
'FNIS Creature Pack SE 7.6-3038-7-6-1582049490.7z'
'FNIS Sexy Move SE 7.2-13303-V7-2.7z'
'Food and Hunt Overhaul 1.1 SE.7z'
"Fuz Ro D'oh-15109-2-3-1667138294.7z"
'[HoshinoSkyrim] Venus Hair Pack.zip'
'JContainers SE-16495-4-2-3-1665168582.7z'
'[Jmel]Odin priest.7z'
'[Jmel]SN_cyber.7z'
'KS Hairdos SMP-31300-1-4-3-1596895272.7z'
'KS Hairdos SSE-6817-1-9-1645369981.7z'
 LesSucettes2-23266-0-5-1549587519.7z
 LipstickWhoreSEv1.0-4K.7z
 MfgFix-11669-1-6-1-1664520342.7z
'Missives 2.03 SSE-17576-2-03-1562185360.rar'
 MoreNastyCrittersSE_v15_1A.7z
'NCK30 SLAL 3.8 SE.7z'
 NSEnemyPlacer-V1.zip
 OC_Shrug_v1.0.zip
 oc_veil_v1.0.zip
'OSL Aroused FOMOD 2.3.0-65454-2-3-0-1683700712.7z'
'Papyrus Extender-22854-5-5-0-1675781101.7z'
'Papyrus Tweaks 4.1.0-77779-4-1-0-1677126184.rar'
'Patched SE SL TOOLS Updated.zip'
 PornyCoin.rar
 PornyShields.rar
 PornySigns.rar
'Porny Spell Books.rar'
"powerofthree's Tweaks-51073-1-8-0-1676613107.7z"
'Public Whore v1.2.4 SE.zip'
'PWComments v1.5.7z'
 QUI-65343-0-3-2-1667957461.zip
'QuickStart3 SSE v1-6-691-1-6.rar'
'RaceMenu Anniversary Edition v0-4-19-14-19080-0-4-19-14-1667000011.7z'
 rapeTattoos_v1.4.7z
'Schlongs_of_Skyrim_SE - v1.1.4.rar'
'ScocLB SSE 3.0c Main File.zip'
'ScocLB SSE AlphaPatch.7z'
 SE_kal_LolaAddon_V111.rar
'SexLab Aroused Creatures SE v04.12.7z'
 SexLabFrameworkAE_v165.7z
 SexLabMatchMaker.Rev7.zip
'SexLab More Creatures SE v1.02 - Non-Essential Respawning.7z'
'Sexy Supplemntal Slavetats 1.11 SE.rar'
'Simple Skirt ( HDT-SMP PHYSICS)CBBE-23096-1-1-1549686173.7z'
'Simple Slavery Plus Plus 6.3.19 [SE].zip'
'Skooma Whore SE v1.01.7z'
 SkyrimChainBeasts-v065-SE.7z
 SkyrimChainBeasts-V068Update-SE.7z
 SkyUI_5_2_SE-12604-5-2SE.7z
'SLAL Pack - Sexual Vampire Feed SE.7z'
 SLAL_SE.7z
'Slap da Butt 2.0 Beta 1.rar'
 SlaveTatsSE-1.3.9.7z
'SL Nights NG-2.0.0.zip'
'SLUTSResume 3.1.zip'
'SMP-NPC crash fix-91616-1-1684409131.7z'
'SoS AE Multi-Edition 1.0.2.zip'
'SrtCrashFix_AE v0.4.1-31146-0-4-1-1664055406.zip'
'SubmissiveLolaResubmission 2.1.0.7z'
'Take A Peek (SE-AE)-66908-1-15-1668605147.zip'
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'Tramp Stamps 3.3.zip'
'Tramp Stamps Lesbian 1.1.1.zip'
'UIExtensions v1-2-0-17561-1-2-0.7z'
'Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch-266-4-2-9a-1685216241.7z'
'Vanilla Outfits curvy HDT-PE for CBBE-78191-1-0-1667609512.zip'
'XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended-1988-4-81-1660739371.7z'
'ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SE2023.7z'

 

Nothing interesting in logs. Like, at all. Except Rape Tattoos gagging on slavetats tattoos list in its own config - but it's a problem for another thread. And some stray leftovers not completely squelched by USSE Patch

Overrides are all appropriate - or so it looks. Few meshes overlap with KS Hairdo, few textures overlap with Devious Devices.

Absolutely everything else, including SLUTS Resume over which I banged my head for friggin YEAR from time to time, works perfectly.

 

I've did read about previous instances of this problem in this thread. Unless I've missed something spectacular, the only cures are 'uninstalling DCL' or 'never using debug & rape options', right?

 

Upd. Seen this:

. Will try. I was using a quickie mod instead of coc. Thus skipping all the joy of riding the cart and/or otherwise wasting my time.

 

Mildly infuriated. Because, from one side, I discovered this shit at the very end of tailoring all other plugin configs to my needs. Fortunately, on the other side, I did put 'Export config' buttons (where available) to good use so it'll be only an hour of wasted time total (assuming that everything would go well well with ASLAL). Maybe less.

Edited June 26, 2023 by NobodyMan22
Probable solution

[Zaflis]

5 hours ago, NobodyMan22 said:

I was using a quickie mod instead of coc. Thus skipping all the joy of riding the cart and/or otherwise wasting my time.

Kimy's solution to DCL's MCM issues:

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/33986-deviously-cursed-loot-le-90-2021-03-09/page/981/#comment-3205086 

 

The default assumes you start game in a quiet place, 99% of players get that with Alternate Start - Live Another Life mod. DCL also has an addon mod for that for a little start quest. Riding the cart is out of question and i have never heard of anyone using coc command or something at the start. Mods are going to initialize (and potentially fail) before you even open the console...

Edited June 27, 2023 by Zaflis

[zarantha]

13 hours ago, Koshia said:

is there a 3ba conversion of this? cant find anything

 

On the troubleshooting post. The bodyslides a bit out of date, but i am waiting on the DCL beta to redo them. Should still work, but you might not have the v2 sliders.

 

 

[NobodyMan22]

6 hours ago, Zaflis said:

Mods are going to initialize (and potentially fail) before you even open the console...

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

However, for some reason, literally everything else initializes successfully.

From Aroused Creatures to SlaveTats.

QuickStart3 SSE basically spawns you near exit of tutorial cave and lets mods do mod initializing business.

Even complicated and semi-tested stuff like Chain Beasts (which gave me my share of headaches back in LE days) works perfectly.

It doesn't feel right.

[RudyJohn]

Hello,

is there any way to choose only specific theme for devices? I mean, if there is any way to choose only (or mostly) ROPE themed devices, which will show up. (for example - there is plenty of devices with different materials, what I want is, that only ROPE Devices would occur. If that is even possible. Thank you for answer. By the way, great mod.

[Zaflis]

3 hours ago, NobodyMan22 said:

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

However, for some reason, literally everything else initializes successfully.

From Aroused Creatures to SlaveTats.

...

Thus i posted the Kimy's solution. DCL is known to not have MCM menu when you start game the normal way. It needs that specific "ritual" said in the link. Not even my game has DCL with MCM menu unless i do it. The Skyrim LE version is not quite as naggy with scripting and you don't have to actually create a new game twice with it.

 

Also Devious Devices - a hard dependency of DCL is DESIGNED to not even try to initialize unless you first save and then load game.

Edited June 27, 2023 by Zaflis

[zarantha]

4 hours ago, RudyJohn said:

Hello,

is there any way to choose only specific theme for devices? I mean, if there is any way to choose only (or mostly) ROPE themed devices, which will show up. (for example - there is plenty of devices with different materials, what I want is, that only ROPE Devices would occur. If that is even possible. Thank you for answer. By the way, great mod.

 

No, not that will work 100% of the time. You can set a preference for some things, but quests do not respect that and you'll get whatever the quest is set up with instead. 

[NobodyMan22]

22 hours ago, Zaflis said:

Also Devious Devices - a hard dependency of DCL is DESIGNED to not even try to initialize unless you first save and then load game.

Excellent. I've filed a lot of absurd bug reports over the course of my voyages in IT - reporting, that S/m mod (DD/DDi/DDx) unexpectedly WORKS when it shouldn't, won't be the weirdest thing. I'll consider it after their apology for things which only remain in moderation team's logs currently, probably.

Still, I'm probably an anomaly anyway because, on top of other things, OSL Aroused works well for me, despite every Nick, Rick and Dick telling me that OSL is shite and won't work with most modern things.

 

On a second thought, maybe my setup is too slim to suffer from that initialization problem?

Any insight on at which modlist size / script mod count / MCM mod count the problems are starting happening?