PAH - And you get a slave! (LE/SE)

[DonQuiWho]

4 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

It's still on my list. But if HSH got extensions as of 1.40. AYGAS only got bug fixing and MCM list.

 

Next on my list is to release DOM8 which will be easier to plug and play to the latest updates of AYGAS and HSH.

 

Then we will take care of poor Embry, but as an AYGAS feature, compatible with PAH or DOM. Most importantly this will be achieved without hacking through DOM and AYGAS.

 

Thanks!

 

Yeah, that all makes much more sense in AYGAS. 

 

And if the uprated AYGAS continues to work in conjunction with PAHE/HSH alone, those of us who just want to run 'The Skyrim Slave Trade' might be able to avoid all those wonderfully emotive bells and whistles in DOM,  ie the ones some of us have probably never looked at - I've only ever looked at a 'Diary' once 😏 - other than to try to work out how set the DOM MCM so as to use the whole panoply of Zaz, DDs, and clothes that we equip them with, as consistently as PAHE does - as well as consign that ***** Zaz armbinder into Oblivion 😆

 

Being as serious as I can be, which isn't much😏, as an aside there, one thing I do like about the present PAHE/AYGAS functionality is that I can give a slave an outfit of my choice which they continue to wear after sale, allowing me to sell slaves with some of the more classy modded attire available, so that they 'stand out' in the street, alongside the rest of the population.  I hope you can arrange things for that to still be possible.

 

Having said all that, I'd probably still add DOM, just for its carnal skills 'training' functionality - which is far better than anything HSH offers 

 

Whatever, look forward to seeing what you come up with ...

 

DQW

Edited April 17 by DonQuiWho

[roldoi1911]

Yeah, I’m adjusting the loadorder of AYGAS up and down. the dialogue is just not showing up nor is the mcm working.

[TrollAutokill]

2 hours ago, roldoi1911 said:

Yeah, I’m adjusting the loadorder of AYGAS up and down. the dialogue is just not showing up nor is the mcm working.

So which version of AYGAS/PAH/DOM and which order, and which kind of slave PAH or DOM?

Edited April 17 by TrollAutokill

[CliftonJD]

11 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

It depends what you want to achieve. 

 

1) For now I would recommend PAH8 then DOM7 then AYGAS 0.63c or 0.7  then HSH 1.33c or 1.40. That way the slaves need to be in PAH to use AYGAS or HSH.

 

2) If you want to send DOM slaves to AYGAS or HSH, you need to install PAH8 then AYGAS 0.63c then HSH 1.33c and lastly DOM7. But this is buggy and you might get inactive HSH slaves and zero value propositions in AYGAS.

 

3) Use PAH8,  AYGAS 0.70 and HSH 1.40 with DOM8, when it's available.

 

Note: in any case, there is no patch available to send both PAH and DOM slaves to AYGAS and HSH. You need to choose the main platform and that's where load order matter.

 

if they need to install dom last for it to connect to hsh, why not give dom a clone of the aygas dialogue so that if both exist, both get the option. you could even engineer the new dialogue to only work with dom8 

[TrollAutokill]

40 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

if they need to install dom last for it to connect to hsh, why not give dom a clone of the aygas dialogue so that if both exist, both get the option. you could even engineer the new dialogue to only work with dom8 

It's an idea, that way or the other. Actually the best place for it is the DOMPAH patch as it is aware of both mods. Then a global variable to check if HSH is installed and if it supports DOM mind or not. I will think about it.

Edited April 17 by TrollAutokill

[roldoi1911]

4 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

So which version of AYGAS/PAH/DOM and which order, and which kind of slave PAH or DOM?

Pahe 8.2.2 , DoM 7.12.7 then HSH 1.33c and AYGAS 0.63c. It was PAH slaves for selling. I don’t mind which gets sold. Whats ITF btw? Its mentioned in the fomod of AYGAS.

Edited April 17 by roldoi1911

[Fraying9981]

55 minutes ago, roldoi1911 said:

Pahe 8.2.2 , DoM 7.12.7 then HSH 1.33c and AYGAS 0.63c. It was PAH slaves for selling. I don’t mind which gets sold. Whats ITF btw? Its mentioned in the fomod of AYGAS.

 

its this.

but be careful, it messes up with packages including DOM ones.

 

 

[TrollAutokill]

2 hours ago, roldoi1911 said:

Pahe 8.2.2 , DoM 7.12.7 then HSH 1.33c and AYGAS 0.63c. It was PAH slaves for selling. I don’t mind which gets sold. Whats ITF btw? Its mentioned in the fomod of AYGAS.

It should work. Do you have a screenshot of the AYGAS MCM menu? Also DOM 7.12.10 is the latest stable version.

Edited April 18 by TrollAutokill

[roldoi1911]

2 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

It should work. Do you have a screenshot of the AYGAS MCM menu? Also DOM 7.12.10 is the latest stable version.

on a current saave

 

 

On a new character. Can't go beyond this point on the mcm, and HSH says it detects AYGAS.

[TrollAutokill]

4 hours ago, roldoi1911 said:

on a current saave

 

 

On a new character. Can't go beyond this point on the mcm, and HSH says it detects AYGAS.

So your problem is your installation. HSH will always detect AYGAS as long as the plugin is present. It doesn't mean the AYGAS quests are running.

 

To check the running quest go into the console and type: getstage aygascore 

 

Please provide a papyrus log so we can check if and when the scripts are failing.

 

Are you using Vortex or MO2? Did you try with a minimal amount of mods? 

 

[roldoi1911]

1 hour ago, TrollAutokill said:

So your problem is your installation. HSH will always detect AYGAS as long as the plugin is present. It doesn't mean the AYGAS quests are running.

 

To check the running quest go into the console and type: getstage aygascore 

 

Please provide a papyrus log so we can check if and when the scripts are failing.

 

Are you using Vortex or MO2? Did you try with a minimal amount of mods? 

 

getstage aygascore says

GetStage >> 0.00
 

will do X2, vortex, and not yet.

Edited April 18 by roldoi1911

[roldoi1911]

I got it working!… somehow… i made a few characters and it just doesn’t seem to work with make high elves name Xiao’cai.

 

i’m not sure as to why , since i made the exact same male high elf with the self made preset, and it works fine there.

Edited April 19 by roldoi1911

[CliftonJD]

On 4/19/2026 at 7:16 AM, roldoi1911 said:

I got it working!… somehow… i made a few characters and it just doesn’t seem to work with make high elves name Xiao’cai.

 

i’m not sure as to why , since i made the exact same male high elf with the self made preset, and it works fine there.

depending how it was written, its a common issue in programming that names cant contain punctuation

[roldoi1911]

3 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

depending how it was written, its a common issue in programming that names cant contain punctuation

Ah man, there goes some asian and argonian names.

 

still nice to put this issue behind me,

[TrollAutokill]

This is version 0.71 of AYGAS, it contains a few additions to Musje's extraordinary mod, cleans a few oddities and ensure all properties are correctly set. This version is compatible with PAH8 or DOM8 (to be published).

 

WARNING: NOT compatible with DOM7 and below.

 

Here is a summary of the changes:

•  ZAZ is now a soft dependency. AYGAS will work without but ZAZ is still highly recommended. Most furniture will fall back to the XCross if Zaz is not installed and a few animations will not work or fallback to standing hands behind back. UNTESTED!
• AYGAS slaves now get a bit of training every day from their owners.
  • Training depends on the slave type.
  • A full training takes around 2 months on a fresh slave.
  • Slave training can be turned off from the MCM option tab.
• When you sell/buy a slave to/from a NPC, the list of slaves following you is now refreshed right after the deal, so you can't sell the same slave twice.
• For selling/buying slaves, names now appear in full in the dialogue and message box, instead of just "Bandit" or "Necromancer".
• In the Aygas MCM city level of slavery was added: how many slaves you sold and how many owners there are in each town. 
• A list of AYGAS slaves sold and active was added to the MCM and it shows their owners.

 

PAH_AndYouGetASlave_0.71_SSE.7z

Edited April 22 by TrollAutokill

[DonQuiWho]

2 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

This is version 0.71 of AYGAS, it contains a few additions to Musje's extraordinary mod, cleans a few oddities and ensure all properties are correctly set. This version is compatible with PAH8 or DOM8 (to be published).

 

WARNING: NOT compatible with DOM7 and below.

 

Here is a summary of the changes:

•  ZAZ is now a soft dependency. AYGAS will work without but ZAZ is still highly recommended. Most furniture will fall back to the XCross if Zaz is not installed and a few animations will not work or fallback to standing hands behind back. UNTESTED!
• AYGAS slaves now get a bit of training every day from their owners.
  • Training depends on the slave type.
  • A full training takes around 2 months on a fresh slave.
  • Slave training can be turned off from the MCM option tab.
• When you sell/buy a slave to/from a NPC, the list of slaves following you is now refreshed right after the deal, so you can't sell the same slave twice.
• For selling/buying slaves, names now appear in full in the dialogue and message box, instead of just "Bandit" or "Necromancer".
• In the Aygas MCM city level of slavery was added: how many slaves you sold and how many owners there are in each town. 
• A list of AYGAS slaves sold and active was added to the MCM and it shows their owners.

 

PAH_AndYouGetASlave_0.71_SSE.7z 1.12 MB · 1 download

 

Thanks vm for this, and the HSH update!

 

Embry's excitement is growing by the day!   He's upped his game too, with a shiny brand new one all ready - literally completed an hour ago!- to just add in DOM8 😊

 

OOIC, though, am I still correct in assuming that in the update to AYGAS here ...

 

1) 'Pre trained' slaves sold through AYGAS  (ie those who have gone through DOM and/or HSH training regimes) will not require further training by the AYGAS purchaser, but rather just some continued 'satisfying entertainment'?

 

2) The player can still retain and use some slaves similarly trained as their own personal slaves to hire out - ie like the current AYGAS 'stay here and seek custom from the local burghers' type of functionality ? 

 

3) DOM8 will still work with the proper combo/order of all the mods listed below?  ie including all of

 

PAHE 8.20 fix2

HSH 1.41_SSE

AYGAS 0.71_SSE

DOM 8.xxxx 

 

No need to reply unless any of those are not 'TRUE', or if you think that anything maybe needs some clarification

 

And thanks again...

 

DQW

Edited April 22 by DonQuiWho

[TrollAutokill]

2 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

 

Thanks vm for this, and the HSH update!

 

Embry's excitement is growing by the day!   He's upped his game too, with a shiny brand new one all ready - literally completed an hour ago!- to just add in DOM8 😊

 

OOIC, though, am I still correct in assuming that in the update to AYGAS here ...

 

1) 'Pre trained' slaves sold through AYGAS  (ie those who have gone through DOM and/or HSH training regimes) will not require further training by the AYGAS purchaser, but rather just some continued 'satisfying entertainment'?

 

2) The player can still retain and use some slaves similarly trained as their own personal slaves to hire out - ie like the current AYGAS 'stay here and seek custom from the local burghers' type of functionality ? 

 

3) DOM8 will still work with the proper combo/order of all the mods listed below?  ie including all of

 

PAHE 8.20 fix2

HSH 1.41_SSE

AYGAS 0.71_SSE

DOM 8.xxxx 

 

No need to reply unless any of those are not 'TRUE', or if you think that anything maybe needs some clarification

 

And thanks again...

 

DQW

Exactly. Except DOM 8 doesn't exist yet and:

 

1) NPC owned slaves will continue to grow their training stats up to 100, depending on their slave type (e.g. farmer slaves will not grow sex stats). As for DOM stats they will not grow love/loyal stats, just the standard ones, PAH's equivalent.

Edited April 22 by TrollAutokill

[DonQuiWho]

2 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Exactly. Except DOM 8 doesn't exist yet and:

 

1) NPC owned slaves will continue to grow their training stats up to 100, depending on their slave type (e.g. farmer slaves will not grow sex stats). As for DOM stats they will not grow love/loyal stats, just the standard ones, PAH's equivalent.

 

Excellent!

 

Thanks vm

 

DQW

[nikla1977]

How to get the latest Overseer perk 

[TrollAutokill]

This is version 0.71b of AYGAS, it contains a few additions to Musje's extraordinary mod, cleans a few oddities and ensure all properties are correctly set. This version is compatible with PAH8 or DOM8 (to be published).

 

WARNING: NOT compatible with DOM7 and below.

 

Here is a summary of the changes in 0.71b:

•  Added "Colors" MCM tab for slaves' list color settings @CliftonJD request.
• Corrected Patrons selection to exclude actors in slave factions.
• Corrected Spectators selection to exclude actors in slave factions.
• Corrected Prostitute PotentialOwner selection to exclude actors in slave factions.
• Added PAHSlaveFaction for all slaves not to propose them to buy an AYGAS slave

Changes in 0.71:

• ZAZ is now a soft dependency. AYGAS will work without but ZAZ is still highly recommended. Most furniture will fall back to the XCross if Zaz is not installed and a few animations will not work or fallback to standing hands behind back. UNTESTED!

• AYGAS slaves now get a bit of training every day from their owners.
  • Training depends on the slave type.
  • A full training takes around 2 months on a fresh slave.
  • Slave training can be turned off from the MCM option tab.
• When you sell/buy a slave to/from a NPC, the list of slaves following you is now refreshed right after the deal, so you can't sell the same slave twice.
• For selling/buying slaves, names now appear in full in the dialogue and message box, instead of just "Bandit" or "Necromancer".
• In the Aygas MCM city level of slavery was added: how many slaves you sold and how many owners there are in each town. 
• A list of AYGAS slaves sold and active was added to the MCM and it shows their owners.

PAH_AndYouGetASlave_0.71b_SSE.7z

[TrollAutokill]

On 4/28/2026 at 4:07 PM, nikla1977 said:

How to get the latest Overseer perk 

 

Sorry, I can't figure out which perk you're talking about.

 

In AYGAS there are a few titles to unlock depending on your achievements: "Slave Trader", "Handler", "Pimp", "Patron", "Trainer", "Helping Hand", "Madame"or "Monsieur", and "Taskmaster". Was it one of those?

 

[DonQuiWho]

1 hour ago, TrollAutokill said:

This is version 0.71b of AYGAS, it contains a few additions to Musje's extraordinary mod, cleans a few oddities and ensure all properties are correctly set. This version is compatible with PAH8 or DOM8 (to be published).

 

WARNING: NOT compatible with DOM7 and below.

 

Here is a summary of the changes in 0.71b:

•  Added "Colors" MCM tab for slaves' list color settings @CliftonJD request.
• Corrected Patrons selection to exclude actors in slave factions.
• Corrected Spectators selection to exclude actors in slave factions.
• Corrected Prostitute PotentialOwner selection to exclude actors in slave factions.
• Added PAHSlaveFaction for all slaves not to propose them to buy an AYGAS slave

Changes in 0.71:

• ZAZ is now a soft dependency. AYGAS will work without but ZAZ is still highly recommended. Most furniture will fall back to the XCross if Zaz is not installed and a few animations will not work or fallback to standing hands behind back. UNTESTED!

• AYGAS slaves now get a bit of training every day from their owners.
  • Training depends on the slave type.
  • A full training takes around 2 months on a fresh slave.
  • Slave training can be turned off from the MCM option tab.
• When you sell/buy a slave to/from a NPC, the list of slaves following you is now refreshed right after the deal, so you can't sell the same slave twice.
• For selling/buying slaves, names now appear in full in the dialogue and message box, instead of just "Bandit" or "Necromancer".
• In the Aygas MCM city level of slavery was added: how many slaves you sold and how many owners there are in each town. 
• A list of AYGAS slaves sold and active was added to the MCM and it shows their owners.

PAH_AndYouGetASlave_0.71b_SSE.7z 1.12 MB · 1 download

 

 Forgive me if this sounds like asking for clarification of something which others may find intuitively obvious but...,

 

(...........in the context of my not really training every personality trait covered by DOM - I think that I have said before that I have only ever looked at a slaves's diary once 😏 - and only setting any preferences in the MCM to those which I would choose if I were to try to train anyone 🙂.......)

 

... if I have trained a slave in DOM so that they are fully versed in every carnal art going (my Skyrim Trolls really enjoy working overtime), and then sell them using AYGAS, ...

 

1 :  does your 'AYGAS slaves now get a bit of training every day from their owners' mean that all the other DOM traits are going to be increased to match whatever I set?

 

2 :  if I have selected to have .... 'Slave training can be turned off from the MCM option tab', ...does that mean that I might then NOT see any OTHER direct interaction between the purchaser and the one purchased?

 

3:  if I have kept the slave transferred to AYGAS for the purpose of having them then whore themselves out - the sort of scenario where my Civil War defeated female Ulfric wanders round Solitude looking for custom - but have selected to have .... 'Slave training can be turned off from the MCM option tab' - will she then just walk about doing nothing entertaining?

 

Sorry if I'm being thick, but the 'continued training' after sale wasn't something that I had anticipated and I really can't properly envisage how it will work

 

Other than my tendancy to lifelong pedantry, all else sounds good!

 

DQW

Edited April 30 by DonQuiWho

[TrollAutokill]

3 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

 

 Forgive me if this sounds like asking for clarification of something which others may find intuitively obvious but...,

I think you have too high thoughts of me. Everything is much simpler than you think.

 

3 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

(...........in the context of my not really training every personality trait covered by DOM - I think that I have said before that I have only ever looked at a slaves's diary once 😏 - and only setting any preferences in the MCM to those which I would choose if I were to try to train anyone 🙂.......)

 

... if I have trained a slave in DOM so that they are fully versed in every carnal art going (my Skyrim Trolls really enjoy working overtime), and then sell them using AYGAS, ...

 

1 :  does your 'AYGAS slaves now get a bit of training every day from their owners' mean that all the other DOM traits are going to be increased to match whatever I set?

Personal slaves get a bit of everything randomly. Others get tailored training. Like farm slaves don't get sex training...

 

3 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

2 :  if I have selected to have .... 'Slave training can be turned off from the MCM option tab', ...does that mean that I might then NOT see any OTHER direct interaction between the purchaser and the one purchased?

No. First because those are separate features and secondly because we don't have slaves/owners interactions at the moment. Though I believe @Musje 's ITF can give you that.

 

3 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

3:  if I have kept the slave transferred to AYGAS for the purpose of having them then whore themselves out - the sort of scenario where my Civil War defeated female Ulfric wanders round Solitude looking for custom - but have selected to have .... 'Slave training can be turned off from the MCM option tab' - will she then just walk about doing nothing entertaining?

She will do but will get no daily training.

 

3 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

 

Sorry if I'm being thick, but the 'continued training' after sale wasn't something that I had anticipated and I really can't properly envisage how it will work

For the moment it just runs over all the AYGAS slaves in Skyrim, every game day, check their slave type (shop assistant, inn servant, prostitute, ...) and give them a bit of training accordingly.  Very simple, I was just getting annoyed of slaves owners pretending they could train their slaves but never did.

 

3 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

Other than my tendancy to lifelong pedantry, all else sounds good!

 

DQW

If you have sold slaves through AYGAS. Check their training levels in the AYGAS MCM slave list, wait 24h with T and see how it changed. Usually 0 to 5 points per day in a few training stats.

Edited April 30 by TrollAutokill

[DonQuiWho]

19 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

I think you have too high thoughts of me. Everything is much simpler than you think.

 

Personal slaves get a bit of everything randomly. Others get tailored training. Like farm slaves don't get sex training...

 

No. First because those are separate features and secondly because we don't have slaves/owners interactions at the moment. Though I believe @Musje 's ITF can give you that.

 

She will do but will get no daily training.

 

For the moment it just runs over all the AYGAS slaves in Skyrim, every game day, check their slave type (shop assistant, inn servant, prostitute, ...) and give them a bit of training accordingly.  Very simple, I was just getting annoyed of slaves owners pretending they could train their slaves but never did.

 

If you have sold slaves through AYGAS. Check their training levels in the AYGAS MCM slave list, wait 24h with T and see how it changed. Usually 0 to 5 points per day in a few training stats.

 

Thanks for the, as ever, prompt reply

 

I'm waiting for DOM 8 - a game is ready, set up to just add that, HSH and AYGAS,  and I'll see how it all pans out then

 

DQW

[nikla1977]

19 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

 

Извините, я не могу понять, о каком преимуществе вы говорите.

 

В AYGAS есть несколько титулов, которые можно получить в зависимости от ваших достижений: «Торговец рабами», «Купец», «Сутенер», «Покровитель», «Тренер», «Помощник», «Мадам» или «Месье» и «Надсмотрщик». Кто из них вам попался?

 

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