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Posted

  I just decided to start a new game, thinking maybe I could get a log with out all the warning's, and possibly get rid of some troubling stuff like

 

1. [DLC2PillarBuilderActorScript < (040177DD)>]OnPackageStart()

 

2, [bYOHHouseBuildingPlayerScript <alias Player on quest BYOHHouseBuilding (0300305D)>]: [Location < (00013163)>], [Location < (0001CB8A)>]

 

3, Hopefully shrink my Log size just a little.

 

4..here is My load order for the new game, these are all Mods I very much wish to start with.

 

 

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp  <<< this Is looking like JUNK for some reason
hdtHighHeel.esm
HmmWhatToWear.esm
HmmWhatToWearDawnGuard.esm
FM - HaafingarHall.esm
SGHairPackBase.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
SkyUI.esp
UIExtensions.esp
P1FlyingRing.esp
AddItemMenu.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
12FemaleBrows.esp
Nordic Warmaiden Body Hair.esp
FNIS.esp
XPMSE.esp
KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp
SGHairPackAIO.esp
FM - HHall Exterior.esp
FM - UNP Merchants.esp
Elewin Pumps 2.esp
R18pn - Shanoa Armors.esp
Gatti12Jewelry.esp
Aradia Secretary.esp
Zipsuit.esp
StoneheartStudio Jewelry.esp
NoRandomDragons.esp

 

 

 

Okay I also made a game with out USLEEP the same load order, but with out USLEEP of course.

 

I have placed the Log of each for review. The one with No USLEEP, I have made Riverwood, and am doing the gold Claw quest for the trader, I am almost through the BleakfallsBarrow, I am at the door just before the main boss of that dungeon.

 

  The one with you sleep I am at riverwood, and in Gurdur's House.

 

 

I am wondering if you all can see any differences in the Log ?  Also just what benefits will I get from increasing the size of my log by about 100 fold ?

 

  I mean both of these were entered, and just waited a few moments to allow them to create themselves a log file, and then saved, and exited.

 

   You should see what happens to the USLEEP if I stay in game awhile.

 

  I cleaned all My Skyrim DLC masters before starting this, and the Unpdate.esm, I did not clean the Skyrim Master, It was left original.  Brand new game, Brand New Save's.

 

 

Papyrus_NoUSLEEP_NewGameInBleakfallsBarrowDoorB4Boss.0.7z

Papyrus_HasUSLEEP_AtRiverwoodInGurdur'sHouse.0.7z

Posted

USLEEP covers exactly ZERO customization or extraneous behavior introduced by ANY external mods except for of course arthmoor's own mods.

 

Not Skyui

 

Not racemenu

 

Not nada.

 

Nothing except vanilla skyrim and his mods.

 

Also you need to clean Skyrim and now Update since it will not be updated.

Posted

USLEEP covers exactly ZERO customization or extraneous behavior introduced by ANY external mods except for of course arthmoor's own mods.

 

Not Skyui

 

Not racemenu

 

Not nada.

 

Nothing except vanilla skyrim and his mods.

 

Also you need to clean Skyrim and now Update since it will not be updated.

 

Did you even read my post, or look at the Log's

Posted

Something doesn't seem right.  

 

You have these errors toward the end of your log:

  • Error: File "Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded
  • Error: File "Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded
  • Error: File "Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded
  • Error: File "Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded

 

You said you started a new game, and it seems like you would only get those errors if you switched over from USKP to USLEEP in the middle of a play-through.

Not sure what would cause that otherwise.

Posted

Something doesn't seem right.  

 

You have these errors toward the end of your log:

  • Error: File "Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded
  • Error: File "Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded
  • Error: File "Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded
  • Error: File "Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded

 

You said you started a new game, and it seems like you would only get those errors if you switched over from USKP to USLEEP in the middle of a play-through.

Not sure what would cause that otherwise.

 

 

That is just USLEEP checking to see if you're loading those obsolete and redundant patches. Remember that 'Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp' is all those old unofficial patches merged into a single esp.

 

Any log errors generated by USLEEP can be ignored. Arthmoor's team does extensive testing with the patch on a uncleaned vanilla installation of Skyrim. While they do make mistakes, they are prompt in fixing them.

Posted

 

USLEEP covers exactly ZERO customization or extraneous behavior introduced by ANY external mods except for of course arthmoor's own mods.

 

Not Skyui

 

Not racemenu

 

Not nada.

 

Nothing except vanilla skyrim and his mods.

 

Also you need to clean Skyrim and now Update since it will not be updated.

 

Did you even read my post, or look at the Log's

 

 

Yes, which is why my post contains the information it does.

 

USLEEP does not cover interactions outside of vanilla skyrim AT ALL. EVER. Which you have an assload of, and

 

 

 

I did not clean the Skyrim Master,

 

You have at least five mods in your load order running periodic and cell-based checks against and over the vanilla script load and order, of which are absolutely untested, unaccounted and unnoticed by USLEEP and the authors thereof. Expecting USLEEP to play unobtrusive and streamlined with scripting it is not designed nor designated to handle is hopeful at best. You have a condition that is expected and accounted for and a shit-ton of mods that are not.

Posted

Your log is almost entirely comprised of these:

[11/29/2016 - 07:56:13PM] warning: Property MG07StaffofMagnus on script WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT attached to  (0908EE19) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property

This warning means you have an esp modifying things (based on your log it seems to be a wide range of weapons and apparel) and referencing script properties that no longer exist (USLEEP does fix and recompile a lot of scripts). You should open your mods in TES5Edit and make a merged patch to carry over USLEEP fixes. Then disable Papyrus logging altogether because it's a waste of resources -- there is no reason to enable it unless you're testing a new load order or troubleshooting a problem.

Posted

 

 

USLEEP covers exactly ZERO customization or extraneous behavior introduced by ANY external mods except for of course arthmoor's own mods.

 

Not Skyui

 

Not racemenu

 

Not nada.

 

Nothing except vanilla skyrim and his mods.

 

Also you need to clean Skyrim and now Update since it will not be updated.

 

Did you even read my post, or look at the Log's

 

 

Yes, which is why my post contains the information it does.

 

USLEEP does not cover interactions outside of vanilla skyrim AT ALL. EVER. Which you have an assload of, and

 

 

 

I did not clean the Skyrim Master,

 

You have at least five mods in your load order running periodic and cell-based checks against and over the vanilla script load and order, of which are absolutely untested, unaccounted and unnoticed by USLEEP and the authors thereof. Expecting USLEEP to play unobtrusive and streamlined with scripting it is not designed nor designated to handle is hopeful at best. You have a condition that is expected and accounted for and a shit-ton of mods that are not.

 

 

Okay so USLEEP is okay as long as you only play the vanilla game. Okay thank you, I will forget about ever trying to use it. Because I intend to run mods, lots of mods.

 

   And I don't know what you call a butt load..

 

If this is a buttload, Gosh no one is ever going to be able to Use USLEEP

 

hdtHighHeel.esm

HmmWhatToWear.esm

HmmWhatToWearDawnGuard.esm

FM - HaafingarHall.esm

SGHairPackBase.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

SkyUI.esp

UIExtensions.esp

P1FlyingRing.esp

AddItemMenu.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp

12FemaleBrows.esp

Nordic Warmaiden Body Hair.esp

FNIS.esp

XPMSE.esp

KS Hairdos - HDT.esp

Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp

SGHairPackAIO.esp

FM - HHall Exterior.esp

FM - UNP Merchants.esp

Elewin Pumps 2.esp

R18pn - Shanoa Armors.esp

Gatti12Jewelry.esp

Aradia Secretary.esp

Zipsuit.esp

StoneheartStudio Jewelry.esp

NoRandomDragons.esp

 

 

Posted

   I have decided USLEEP is just way to much trouble, I don't use Bash patches, and I do not intend to open every mod I use, and check to see which version of Unofficial patch I have, and chang it to the right one... 

 

   It does not appear to be a very helpful mod, when my log jumps from a few k to almost 5 meg in just a few moments of game play.. It seems pretty trashy, for all the you need this I find. 

Posted

  It bugged the Heck out of My game, everything New, game, save, all master ESM except the Skyrim one cleaned, and validated before the game start, as best I can tell it is just trash..

 

     I hate it, I would like to have had some of the fixes, but not if it means every time I load the game I get a 5 meg Log ( but not at this cost ). with the few simple mods I have installed, that makes not sense, at all.

Posted

k, let's try this again.

 

- You have these warnings because another esp makes changes to records modified by USLEEP without carrying the fixes.

- You can get rid of them by making a merged patch in TES5Edit. If you don't want to, well, it's on you.

- These warnings aren't errors. They aren't game-breaking and if the idea of a merged patch is so offensive to you, just ignore them.

- Don't enable your papyrus log constantly, it's useless and you're obviously obsessing over its size.

- USLEEP fixes a lot of bugs, so you're better off with it than without it.

 

You're making a mountain out of molehills :/

Posted

Most of what USLEEP writes to the log, which should not be too much, only occurs once - i.e a second session should not list the same entries a second time. The majority of the entries seem to be coming from some other mod, and NOT USLEEP. This being a conflict with USLEEP or not, I'm not sure. Generally if any mods overwrite anything in the Scripts folder of USLEEP, then that could be the source of problems. 

 



...you're shooting yourself in the foot there, USLEEP fixes tons of bugs.

 

Indeed. 

 

It surely is not the best solution, but something I did was to remove the HDT High Heels mod - since that mod does constant checks to see if your character is wearing high heels, even if it does not need too. There likely are conversions of mods that require the HDT High Heels mod which switches it to NiO override(included in RaceMenu) for the meshes, and removes the dependency to HDTHH in the plugins. Try here - WTFUUN on Tumblr - any UUNP conversions there requiring HDTHH have been converted to NiO Override. 

 

 

Otherwise, I'd guess the problem may be from these three, if not just one, since the .esm takes the 09 slot in the LO, which the posted log entry mentions. 

FM - HaafingarHall.esm

FM - HHall Exterior.esp

FM - UNP Merchants.esp

 

Does the mod these are from have conflicts with USLEEP in MO?

 

 

Posted

   I am just a little P.O'ed right now, I have started way more than one game ( upwards close to if not 20 different new starts all the way to riverwood, and normally finishing bleak fall's  barrow ), and stripped my Mod's down to almost nothing, trying to get this thing to actually show me it fixed something, that was really bugging me.

 

   About the only thing it has done is limit the number of barrels I can dump junk into, by making a large part of them all owned. so it is harder to dump my junk out, as I hate just pitching it out in the game.

 

  and mostly all I have found is a super large Log, and the same pet peeves I had with the game seem to still be there.

 

   I will strip my mods even more, and try again, but I have made a new game about 15 to 20 times in the past few day's, attempting to get this so called Patch to actually preform in a reasonable manner, and have so far been disappointed every time.

 

   I may sound a little irked, because i am, I especially dis like when I hear, well open up Tes5Edite, and fix all your mods so they will run with the Patch... wow, a patch that makes you patch things.. so Kool.

 

   I will keep picking at it, but It is not a fix all do all, that is for sure.

Posted

Why not make a post about it on AFKMods? I'm sure the team would be able to help dissect what's going on with your game. :o

Posted

okay so now i strip the load order down to this.

 

 

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
SGHairPackBase.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
SkyUI.esp
UIExtensions.esp
P1FlyingRing.esp
AddItemMenu.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
12FemaleBrows.esp
Nordic Warmaiden Body Hair.esp
FNIS.esp
XPMSE.esp
KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp
SGHairPackAIO.esp
R18pn - Shanoa Armors.esp
Gatti12Jewelry.esp
Aradia Secretary.esp
StoneheartStudio Jewelry.esp
NoRandomDragons.esp

 

 

 

  start a new game ride the wagon down the hill again.

 

 I decide to just tough out the gigantic log files. I get all the way to the first dead dragon.. go back to the yarl.

 

decide to buy the house.. " Heres the key to your new home." no key, no ability to buy furnishing for the home no home.. I have never had this happen an any play-through ( the Home in Windhelm can be tricky to get but never ever had a problem with the Whiterun Home ) i have ever done... Never, I mean the home in Whiterun has always been buy-able, and furnish-able.

 

  This supposed Patch is a mess. Look at how little I am trying to run, and these are all well trusted, and proven mods, the very few I have installed. Very few.

 

      I verified the game, I cleaned the DLC's, and the Update.ESM. started a new game after new game, and it is nothing but a plague.


   I will do a complete re install of everything... and give it one more try...

Posted

Why are you cleaning your DLC ??by doing this you just broke your navmesh when entering dawnguard. you will notice this when you first start the DLC and that npc is escorting you to the dawnguard headquarter. you will see he suddenly stopps and wont be able to continue. I dont really believe there is any bennefit by doing this.

Posted

okay so now i strip the load order down to this.

 

 

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

SGHairPackBase.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

SkyUI.esp

UIExtensions.esp

P1FlyingRing.esp

AddItemMenu.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp

12FemaleBrows.esp

Nordic Warmaiden Body Hair.esp

FNIS.esp

XPMSE.esp

KS Hairdos - HDT.esp

Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp

SGHairPackAIO.esp

R18pn - Shanoa Armors.esp

Gatti12Jewelry.esp

Aradia Secretary.esp

StoneheartStudio Jewelry.esp

NoRandomDragons.esp

 

 

 

  start a new game ride the wagon down the hill again.

 

 I decide to just tough out the gigantic log files. I get all the way to the first dead dragon.. go back to the yarl.

 

decide to buy the house.. " Heres the key to your new home." no key, no ability to buy furnishing for the home no home.. I have never had this happen an any play-through ( the Home in Windhelm can be tricky to get but never ever had a problem with the Whiterun Home ) i have ever done... Never, I mean the home in Whiterun has always been buy-able, and furnish-able.

 

  This supposed Patch is a mess. Look at how little I am trying to run, and these are all well trusted, and proven mods, the very few I have installed. Very few.

 

      I verified the game, I cleaned the DLC's, and the Update.ESM. started a new game after new game, and it is nothing but a plague.

   I will do a complete re install of everything... and give it one more try...

First: i'm no expert by any means in this topic, but i switched to USleep months ago without doing anything than cleaning the dlcs. So far i couldn't see any problems related to USleep, neither big logs nor bugs. I don't have any bashed patches, or merged .esps either, my last load order counted ~200 .esps. (PS: and i started something about 50 games with a similar order since update to USleep. So... most probably, it's one of those mods left causing your troubles.

 

 

Why are you cleaning your DLC ??by doing this you just broke your navmesh when entering dawnguard. you will notice this when you first start the DLC and that npc is escorting you to the dawnguard headquarter. you will see he suddenly stopps and wont be able to continue. I dont really believe there is any bennefit by doing this.

 

 

This is simply not true. I had no problems to play the whole dawnguard after cleaning it.

 

Posted

   Well I re installed, and again I get the White run dragon killed, and can not buy the home, the dialogue is up, hes say's here's your key, but no key, and no home, and the dialogue is still up to buy the home.

 

   And Yes I know if other people are using it with no problems then it ought to work for me, that is why even though I am seeing red, I keep trying to get it right.

 

   I have re installed,  re played the ride down the hill to the head chopper at least 20 times. played all the way through Bleak falls barrow that many time too.

 

  I am only installing this because someone said OH! the single Unofficial mods are not supported any more, you need to get USLEEP ( my game was fine, I was just informed that I was stupid to not have USLEEP installed ).  I have never been this frustrated in a long time, but this has been, and still is a nightmare.  I mean I have been on this off, and on for over a week.

   

   I am not really green at this, I have done the full uninstall of everything, and then put it back together, and still it is a Plague, and seems to have more bug's in it that and army ant hill.

 

   But everyone say's it's the best thing sense sliced toast, I do not know why it is plaguing me.   I have validated through steam at least 10 times also, and then had to of course, re install SKSE, as steam, mucks it up., an also have to start the game with the Skyrim launcher to get the INI back right.

    

    I am just flustered... I think I will go back to the single un official patches, they were working fine for me...


Why are you cleaning your DLC ??by doing this you just broke your navmesh when entering dawnguard. you will notice this when you first start the DLC and that npc is escorting you to the dawnguard headquarter. you will see he suddenly stopps and wont be able to continue. I dont really believe there is any bennefit by doing this.

 

I have always cleaned my DLC's, and the Update.esm. That is one of the best things you can do for your self.. the official files are full of dirty edits.

 

  If you have a nav mesh problem after that, you must have a conflict some where.. cause it never happened to me.


 

okay so now i strip the load order down to this.

 

 

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
SGHairPackBase.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
SkyUI.esp
UIExtensions.esp
P1FlyingRing.esp
AddItemMenu.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
12FemaleBrows.esp
Nordic Warmaiden Body Hair.esp
FNIS.esp
XPMSE.esp
KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp
SGHairPackAIO.esp
R18pn - Shanoa Armors.esp
Gatti12Jewelry.esp
Aradia Secretary.esp
StoneheartStudio Jewelry.esp
NoRandomDragons.esp

 

 

 

  start a new game ride the wagon down the hill again.

 

 I decide to just tough out the gigantic log files. I get all the way to the first dead dragon.. go back to the yarl.

 

decide to buy the house.. " Heres the key to your new home." no key, no ability to buy furnishing for the home no home.. I have never had this happen an any play-through ( the Home in Windhelm can be tricky to get but never ever had a problem with the Whiterun Home ) i have ever done... Never, I mean the home in Whiterun has always been buy-able, and furnish-able.

 

  This supposed Patch is a mess. Look at how little I am trying to run, and these are all well trusted, and proven mods, the very few I have installed. Very few.

 

      I verified the game, I cleaned the DLC's, and the Update.ESM. started a new game after new game, and it is nothing but a plague.


   I will do a complete re install of everything... and give it one more try...

First: i'm no expert by any means in this topic, but i switched to USleep months ago without doing anything than cleaning the dlcs. So far i couldn't see any problems related to USleep, neither big logs nor bugs. I don't have any bashed patches, or merged .esps either, my last load order counted ~200 .esps. (PS: and i started something about 50 games with a similar order since update to USleep. So... most probably, it's one of those mods left causing your troubles.

 

 

I know you mean well, but did you not see how lean my Load order is  25 mods, and most of those are clothing, and hair, and skeleton, and I fully disable the cloak, and everything else in XPMSE?

 

Posted

 

 

I know you mean well, but did you not see how lean my Load order is  25 mods, and most of those are clothing, and hair, and skeleton, and I fully disable the cloak, and everything else in XPMSE?

 

 

Yes, i can see it. But i can't see a good reason not to repeat the test without them anyways, that's my thought. Or, without only those i don't use. That's:

 

 

SGHairPackBase.esm

 

 

P1FlyingRing.esp

 

12FemaleBrows.esp

Nordic Warmaiden Body Hair.esp

 

SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp

SGHairPackAIO.esp

R18pn - Shanoa Armors.esp

 

Aradia Secretary.esp

StoneheartStudio Jewelry.esp

NoRandomDragons.esp

 

 

Those aren't too much. I can't see a reason why one of those would spam your log, but it shouldn't hurt too much to give it a try either... at least i'm pretty sure it's not USleep alone. Not because of my own game, but because i think somebody would have recognized it before you. We have pretty capable ppl here who use the patch. 

On the other hand, of the old patches work fine for you and you don't want to switch... i won't force you. ;)

 

Posted

Something doesn't seem right.  

 

You have these errors toward the end of your log:

  • Error: File "Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded
  • Error: File "Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded
  • Error: File "Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded
  • Error: File "Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded

 

You said you started a new game, and it seems like you would only get those errors if you switched over from USKP to USLEEP in the middle of a play-through.

Not sure what would cause that otherwise.

 

I tried USLEEP awhile back and ran into similar errors. I figured that it was likely due to running one or ore mods that where built with the Unofficials installed, so now they can't find them, resulting in those errors. Just a theory, though.

 

Posted

 

decide to buy the house.. " Heres the key to your new home." no key, no ability to buy furnishing for the home no home.. 

Have you started the main quest and did the Diplomatic Immunity quest without getting back your equipment by any chance? The key will be in a chest in the Sleeping Giant Inn then.

Also the Whiterun steward might not sell any stuff outside business hours, meaning from his bed or on the balcony.

I could swear that USLEEP or some other patch changed that in my current playthrough and I could wake him up in the middle of the night and upgrade Breezehome though...

 

Also why does noone use Bashed and Merged Patches anymore? It's not that difficult and it fixes a lot of issues.

 

And +1 to papyrus logs being useless and overly alarming when nothing problematic happens with your game. Just turn that shit off.

Posted

 

And +1 to papyrus logs being useless and overly alarming when nothing problematic happens with your game. Just turn that shit off.

 

 

Another +1. This. Seriously, what is this obsession with the papyrus log?

 

USLEEP is a mod like any other mod. It fixes hundreds (could be over a thousand by now) of bugs in the vanilla game. The team has put in hundreds of hours to make Skyrim a stable and enjoyable game for everyone.

 

Yes, you may get extra log messages when mods don't play well together, that's normal in modded games. Doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong and doesn't mean USLEEP is a horrible buggy mess all on its own.

 

Not sure what the expectation of the OP is here.

Posted

 

 

decide to buy the house.. " Heres the key to your new home." no key, no ability to buy furnishing for the home no home.. 

Have you started the main quest and did the Diplomatic Immunity quest without getting back your equipment by any chance? The key will be in a chest in the Sleeping Giant Inn then.

Also the Whiterun steward might not sell any stuff outside business hours, meaning from his bed or on the balcony.

I could swear that USLEEP or some other patch changed that in my current playthrough and I could wake him up in the middle of the night and upgrade Breezehome though...

 

Also why does noone use Bashed and Merged Patches anymore? It's not that difficult and it fixes a lot of issues.

 

And +1 to papyrus logs being useless and overly alarming when nothing problematic happens with your game. Just turn that shit off.

 

 

   thank you Bazinga, I will look at the times, and attempt to purchase it at different times.  I am just letting it get to me, I don't expect this much trouble from a patch.

 

   I did not post until I had tried most everything I could think of, and find on the net.  This patch should be a help, and for me it has been sort of a night mare.

 

   I don't think it would bother me so much, but I had a solid game, no CDT's every thing working right, and I showed my log, to someone, and then got all these "Oh you have warnings in your log".   "You need to get rid of the single Unofficial patches, and get the USLEEP everything will be better ", " The single patches are not supported any more, you have to get USLEEP ".

 

      It has not been better it has gotten way worse, and I guess I have just allowed my frustration to bleed over... I will try to calm my self, and make a new effort. I just lost to much sleep, attempting to understand, and of course Raped my game that was playing fine :blush:

 

   So I will have to re-look at everything, and and give it another go. I don't tend to let it get to me this bad, this one just rubbed me the wrong way for to long a period, and I lost my logic mode.

 

   SoRrY!

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  well I stripped everything out of my load order, but the DLC, and I still can not purchase the Home in white run.. I give up.

 

  I am happy for all you all that can use this USLEEP. but for some reason it just does not like me :-/

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