New move from Bethesda vs mod stealing.

[Chbaakal]

 

 

No different than a modder's work that serves no purpose to those who don't care.

A modder that doesn't make mods is like a car manufacturer that doesn't make cars, I'm all over the whole "Someone stole my mod so I'm hiding my crayons from everyone" attention seeking thing

 

Kids must quickly learn to respect the intellectual property of others not to go to the dawgs here or walk the plank there. Personal inability to create something is no excuse for theft, no matter how old the object of interest is or if the modder is still active or not.

 

 

So true. There are quite a few, as 'adults', that also have this....blindness. I've explained this to quite a number of older console users I know, and some had mentioned that the original modders themselves should have safeguarded their mods from the start, if they were to keep their work from being stolen. Like modders should have shined their crystal balls and read their Tarot cards to predict the way things would be (once I'd heard about console modding, I actually thought something like this would happen. But I'm a pessimist and do not trust others easily).

 

Modders shouldn't HAVE to do this, but it seems that extraordinary measures must be taken to protect their intellectual property from the mental midgets that infest the entire gaming community, as well as the lackluster attempts Publishers/Developers come up with to 'babysit'. Reasonable explanations and (un)common sense rarely overcome self-induced ignorance.

 

EDIT: Went to the Skyrim Steam Workshop just now. CBBE v3.0 was uploaded recently. Just let cell/Ousnius know in a PM. Maybe the same idiot that attempts stolen mod uploads on BethLazy.net?

 

 

[Zor2k13]

Has anyone looked at the statistics link at the bottom of nexus page? You can break it down to one week one month one year etc, and it is interesting because there is a decline there for everything very noticeable. With this whole console mod controversy it will likely decline further but there is a metric to look at in a month being my point.

[ousnius]

EDIT: Went to the Skyrim Steam Workshop just now. CBBE v3.0 was uploaded recently. Just let cell/Ousnos know in a PM. Maybe the same idiot that attempts stolen mod uploads on BethLazy.net?

 

Gone after I commented and reported it.

I don't think Valve acted that fast, so he must've gotten scared of da DMCA.

[D_ManXX2]

Hopefully the whole mods on console thing coming up for skyrim will only work if the mod is remastered to work on the remastered version which means right now almost no mods will work on it. But there is nothing to stop some console kiddie from using their parents computer to install CK then alter a mod to work with console and then say they made it at beth site.

 

Maybe the goal of this mess is to cause the modding community to self destruct? Who are the biggest complainers about beth games anyway? PC users and modders right? So shake them off and you can do whatever you want to make money nobody will complain anymore.

 

 

Well they will shoot themself in the foot if what i read in the other topic was correct that a pc mod can nuke a console. bethesda is going to be in allot of trouble if something like that would happen. They will have to answer and substitute allot of consoles that will actually cost them money if that would ever happen. And who are they going to sue ?? themself for hosting that mod..

[Eth4rlad]

Maybe the goal of this mess is to cause the modding community to self destruct? Who are the biggest complainers about beth games anyway? PC users and modders right? So shake them off and you can do whatever you want to make money nobody will complain anymore.

 

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Mods sell games, even Bethesda knows that, otherwise they wouldn't go through all the effort recently.

[Guest]

Small consideration, from SteamSpy:

 

Number of times Skyrim was purchased: 10.5 millions

Recent playing (2 weeks): about 1 million.

 

(Revenue is not easy to track, let's do an average of $ 35, and a simple multiplication)

Revenue hypothesis: about 40 millions dollars. (But probably way more than that.)

 

 

This game is still a good source of revenue for Bethesda.

And it is still the number one modded game in this world.

 

Modding increases revenues? I think so.

 

[Vortec]

 I purchased my Skyrim from Walmart, so got all those sales too.

[Guest]

 I purchased my Skyrim from Walmart, so got all those sales too.

 

Correct.

The actual seller gets a part of the money.

How much? No idea, sorry.

 

But for sure Valve gets a part of the money to enable to download the game.

[evilives34]

valve and retail normal get from 30-40% of the sale price then you got factor in if the third party tools where used. They may take cut off the top or just percent of money betheda gets after the retailers/valve gets, or even just a percentage after certain gross is made or finally a one time fee that covers that game or bunch of games in the pipe.

 

[DocClox]

 

DarkOne, the Nexus site owner was having a bit of a rant about the situation earlier today, http://www.nexusmods.com/games/news/12815/?

 

I would not call it "a rant" - there is nothing in that article that I do not agree with. 

 

Well, the seven or eight paragraphs he spent swearing at the reader on the grounds that they might possibly be a "PC Master Race" goofball was a little bit ranty. As were all the paragraphs he spent patting himself on the back for doing such a good job in coding the Nexus, especially in comparison to Bethesda.net. I mean I too agree with most of what he said (once you filter out the swearing and the self-promotion anyway) but it's definitely a rant.

 

 

That said, I think he's wrong on one point. Bethesda definitely do claim title to the mods you make with the CK. The FO4 EULA grants them title to any mods you may make with Bethesda provided tools or resources and you can't legally use the CK without having FO4 and therefore being bound by the terms of the FO4 EULA. Bethesda have even said as much: early takedown requests were met with the response that Bethesda own all the mods on bethesda.net.

 

 

As such, it's an interesting question as to the legality of uploading someone else's mod to beth.net. If Bethesda are the IP holders and if they consent (however implicitly) to your uploading of another creators work, how is it illegal? Don't get me wrong - it's morally reprehensible and a really stupid move from Bethesda. I just think we should talk about the problem as it is. Wishful thinking isn't going to help.

[Jazzman]

Oh, how happy I am for having stopped all modding for a large community not related to Bethesda already back in 2005 when the source code of mods got sold by the company over our head to South Korea. Guess my special dark friend over there might already think about his own platform EULA related to downloading from the Nexus which, in turn, would bring any mod thief or the poor parents to a US court in case they don't pay, say, astronomic USD 10.000 on three demanded by Nexus lawyers once they get the required postal address from the IP address provider...

[Guest]

Please avoid to insult mod authors.

Opinions are free and welcome. Insulting is not.

[Shadowpaladin]

It's a good thing that due to the content of the majority of mods from Lovers lab would not be accepted by Bethesda.net that it's less likely mods from here will be stolen and uploaded to Beth.net. I'm fairly sure Bethesda doesn't care to an extent what sort of mods are made for their games as long as they aren't advertised openly. (Then again I could be wrong) But my opinion/guess is that unless you cross a certain line that even this site frowns upon you can make any sort of mod you like just be careful where you upload it. 

Sadly though I don't see the theft/re-uploading of mods to cease any time soon, considering there are a lot of people out there that don't think before the act or respect intellectual property. But honestly mod theft sucks considering the hours of blood, sweat and tears that goes in to the development for a lot of mods.

The one and only time I uploaded a mod to the nexus I made sure to email the mod author and request permission first, which I ended up getting. (the mod was from back in the Morrowind days.)

[tazdotnet]

DDproductions83 was joking when he said he could make a mod nuke a console. he has, in his videos, made fun of people who believed he could nuke their console - nuking the game is one thing but papyrus has no access to the API required to do any real harm to a console - BTW any mod authors who deserve to be insulted insult themselves just fine, no need to do it for them...

[Jazzman]

Please avoid to insult mod authors.

Opinions are free and welcome. Insulting is not.

Don't know who you are referring to, but the anger and frustration we as modders have felt earlier is now felt again by others, and we support their complaint. Let's make no mistake, many a supporter of what's commonly understood as mod theft will walk the plank on the Nexus soon.

[Guest]

 

Please avoid to insult mod authors.

Opinions are free and welcome. Insulting is not.

Don't know who you are referring to, but the anger and frustration we as modders have felt earlier is now felt again by others, and we support their complaint. Let's make no mistake, many a supporter of what's commonly understood as mod theft will walk the plank on the Nexus soon.

 

 

Please take the time to read the rule number 1 of this site:

"The biggest and most important thing of this community, is that the modders come first. They are the ones who make this community worth coming to, they are the ones enabling you to even play these mods.  Meaning if you don't like the way a mod is going, don't be a jerk about it, they can take the mod in whatever direction they want. Don't like it? Then make your own release and put the work in yourself. Find a bug or issue that needs to be fixed? Don't be a jerk about it and raise your concerns and feedback in a constructive manner."

[feral]

 

Please avoid to insult mod authors.

Opinions are free and welcome. Insulting is not.

Don't know who you are referring to, but the anger and frustration we as modders have felt earlier is now felt again by others, and we support their complaint. Let's make no mistake, many a supporter of what's commonly understood as mod theft will walk the plank on the Nexus soon.

I think they were referring to my post because it has been deleted, don't know why though cos it wasn't offensive or insulting.

[Guest]

 

I think they were referring to my post because it has been deleted, don't know why though cos it wasn't offensive or insulting.

 

 

Yes.

 

And this is an extract of your hidden post: "...on the other is a great big middle finger to the mod author for holding their mod hostage and alienating us..."

And that is insulting.

[feral]

 

I think they were referring to my post because it has been deleted, don't know why though cos it wasn't offensive or insulting.

 

Yes.

 

And this is an extract of your hidden post: "...on the other is a great big middle finger to the mod author for holding their mod hostage and alienating us..."

And that is insulting.

I think you are over reacting, especially considering the context of the rest of the post.

[Jazzman]

 

I think they were referring to my post because it has been deleted, don't know why though cos it wasn't offensive or insulting.

 

Yes.

 

And this is an extract of your hidden post: "...on the other is a great big middle finger to the mod author for holding their mod hostage and alienating us..."

And that is insulting.

 

Okay. I've already thought of an unintended mistranslation from Spanish to English. Thanks for clarification, folks.

[Guest]

This morning I realized that the only negative thing I can see in the expression "mod stealing" is the word "stealing" because it puts it under a bad light.

[DocClox]

This morning I realized that the only negative thing I can see in the expression "mod stealing" is the word "stealing" because it puts it under a bad light.

 

Is that like the way the only bad thing about "mass murder" is the "murder" part?

[Guest]

 

Is that like the way the only bad thing about "mass murder" is the "murder" part?

 

 

Yeah. As "mass creation" is better than "mass destruction"

[DocClox]

 

Is that like the way the only bad thing about "mass murder" is the "murder" part?

 

 

Yeah. As "mass creation" is better than "mass destruction"

 

And presumably "mod creation" is better than "mod censorship".

 

Also "crash course" is better than "crash landing", "boob bounce" is better than "boob sag" and words with negative connotations sound worse than words with positive ones.

 

So what's your point? I mean really?

[Guest]

 

 

 

Is that like the way the only bad thing about "mass murder" is the "murder" part?

 

 

Yeah. As "mass creation" is better than "mass destruction"

And presumably "mod creation" is better than "mod censorship".

 

Also "crash course" is better than "crash landing", "boob bounce" is better than "boob sag" and words with negative connotations sound worse than words with positive ones.

 

So what's your point? I mean really?

 

 

"stealing", it sounds bad. Let's call it "spreading" instead.

Imagine if you have a cart full of apples and you want to gift it to the people, you must make a lot of effort to warn everyone that you have free apples for them... and then magically a bunch of people arrive and decide to spread your apples to other people, so your work will be smaller and you'll obtain your goal faster! wohoo!