The Manipulator

[Guest ffabris]

Try leaving the cell and returning, or forcing an arousal state change. Mini should go back to normal.

[Grey Cloud]

All was well when I left the cell. It was when I returned and forced an arousal state that the problem became evident. I told the guard I was a prostitute not a friggin magician.

 

I  returned everything to the default settings in Racemenu and all appears to be well.

[Guest ffabris]

LOL - ok then.

[Grey Cloud]

I see quite a few of your old mods are getting revamped by various people. This can only be a good thing IMHO.

 

Any changes/additions to Manipulator in the pipe-line?

[Guest ffabris]

I don't have anything planned, no. There was a question about the Protected flag, but I'm waiting for a reply... I don't really see the need., but I might be convinced otherwise.

 

Course, "nothing planned" can change at any time ... ideas come when you least expect them to.

[jfraser]

isn't Essential enough? Plan on murdering your followers?

not murder, no - if that was the plan, it would be okay to keep them protected.

 

However, I want them to be able to die in combat.

[Guest ffabris]

My understanding of "protected" is that they cannot be killed except by the player. See here for example:

 

"Protected" is a similar state, but it allows the player and only the player to kill the actor.

 

If you want them killable, then use neither protected nor essential.

[jfraser]

My understanding of "protected" is that they cannot be killed except by the player. See here for example:

 

"Protected" is a similar state, but it allows the player and only the player to kill the actor.

 

If you want them killable, then use neither protected nor essential.

that's exactly right, which is why i want a way to turn off their protected status. 

 

pretty please?

[Grey Cloud]

I don't have anything planned, no. There was a question about the Protected flag, but I'm waiting for a reply... I don't really see the need., but I might be convinced otherwise.

 

Course, "nothing planned" can change at any time ... ideas come when you least expect them to.

 

'We don't have a plan, so nothing can go wrong' - The Goons.

 

[Guest ffabris]

 

My understanding of "protected" is that they cannot be killed except by the player. See here for example:

 

"Protected" is a similar state, but it allows the player and only the player to kill the actor.

 

If you want them killable, then use neither protected nor essential.

that's exactly right, which is why i want a way to turn off their protected status. 

 

pretty please?

 

 

Oh. Ugh. OK, when I can. Likely not today though.

 

 

 

I don't have anything planned, no. There was a question about the Protected flag, but I'm waiting for a reply... I don't really see the need., but I might be convinced otherwise.

 

Course, "nothing planned" can change at any time ... ideas come when you least expect them to.

 

'We don't have a plan, so nothing can go wrong' - The Goons.

 

 

 

Exactly!

[jfraser]

 

 

My understanding of "protected" is that they cannot be killed except by the player. See here for example:

 

"Protected" is a similar state, but it allows the player and only the player to kill the actor.

If you want them killable, then use neither protected nor essential.

that's exactly right, which is why i want a way to turn off their protected status.

 

pretty please?

Oh. Ugh. OK, when I can. Likely not today though.

 

 

I don't have anything planned, no. There was a question about the Protected flag, but I'm waiting for a reply... I don't really see the need., but I might be convinced otherwise.

 

Course, "nothing planned" can change at any time ... ideas come when you least expect them to.

'We don't have a plan, so nothing can go wrong' - The Goons.

 

Exactly!

no hurry. You're my favorite! (Don't tell the other mod developers )

[Guest ffabris]

LOL! 

[Guest ffabris]

6.3 is up ...

• New: You can now toggle an NPC's Protected flag in the People panel. Enabling this will disable Essential (if set), and vice versa, since it makes no sense for both to be enabled. In order to fit the extra option, I removed the NPC race, and put the RefID in the section header.

[jfraser]

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6.3 is up ...

• New: You can now toggle an NPC's Protected flag in the People panel. Enabling this will disable Essential (if set), and vice versa, since it makes no sense for both to be enabled. In order to fit the extra option, I removed the NPC race, and put the RefID in the section header.

you're the best!

[Guest ffabris]

:-)  Hope it works as advertised

[Pinute]

regarding persistent npcs ...

 

Both Immersive Citizens and Persist Damn It make Sigurd persistent and then reference him in a script placing him in Belethor's shop. I'm clueless about that sort of thing so before I try installing your persistence fix I was wondering. Will this conflict be meaningless, will it give me two Sigurds, will it make the game crash, or will it burn down my house?

 

[Guest ffabris]

regarding persistent npcs ...

 

Both Immersive Citizens and Persist Damn It make Sigurd persistent and then reference him in a script placing him in Belethor's shop. I'm clueless about that sort of thing so before I try installing your persistence fix I was wondering. Will this conflict be meaningless, will it give me two Sigurds, will it make the game crash, or will it burn down my house?

 

LOL!  There should be no issues. "Persistant" is just a flag.

 

That said, if you don't need to save data for any of the NPCs touched by "Persist Damn It", then you don't need it.

[karlpaws]

I am thinking of trying something, and posting here in case someone has thoughts, ideas or suggestions on how to get better information on making the idea work.

 

We're not supposed to use base refs or placeatme with named, unique NPCs because it screws things up and essentially makes a non-quest-working clone of the NPC.

 

Why not do that on purpose with an NPC you want to leave in place, and then sent the clone to the harem? Also would mean you are not depopulating a town of its quest needed NPCs.

[Guest ffabris]

Interesting idea. I don't know whether that would work or not. It would need to be tested to be sure, I think. And who better to test it, than the one who suggested it!

[karlpaws]

I am thinking of trying something, and posting here in case someone has thoughts, ideas or suggestions on how to get better information on making the idea work.

 

We're not supposed to use base refs or placeatme with named, unique NPCs because it screws things up and essentially makes a non-quest-working clone of the NPC.

 

Why not do that on purpose with an NPC you want to leave in place, and then sent the clone to the harem? Also would mean you are not depopulating a town of its quest needed NPCs.

 

 

Interesting idea. I don't know whether that would work or not. It would need to be tested to be sure, I think. And who better to test it, than the one who suggested it!

 

So, initial report...

 

You have to use "player.placeatme" or you get extra clones spawned where they would normally be. I found 2 extra Ysoldas walking around the market when I exited the Bannered Mare, wondering why she wasn't showing up.

 

Idea looks good with a few "game breaking" caveats.

 

Adding someone to the harem sets all copies to level 4 Lover rank. May be useful for stealing houses bare. If you turn in a quest to the original and the game SETS (and not increases rank) your harem copy will also set back to friend.

Using Brute Force Strip also affects all clones and copies (and auto strip on add did not seem to work, but that might be separate).

Changing the outfit of a base or clone affects the other.

Overlays and slavetats only affect the individual though it looks like slavetats do not save on clones. Racemenu overlays do.

[Grey Cloud]

'Oh, what tangled webs we weave, when first we practice on cloned NPCs'. . .

Great idea and evidence of some very sneaky thinking. Good luck with it.

 

(Have you seen a new mod called SkyFem? Absolutely brilliant) 

[Guest ffabris]

Karl: Hum, yes, some stuff operates on the base actor, not the ref, so would affect all copies. Still, it has potential for fun, I think.

 

Grey: Nice rhyme!

[Grey Cloud]

ffabris,

A question I've been meaning to ask for a while: what is an 'Exhibitionist'?

[ButchDiavolo]

ffabris,

A question I've been meaning to ask for a while: what is an 'Exhibitionist'?

 

Someone tagged as an exhibitionist gets turned on by being seen naked by others. This is a SexLab Aroused (Redux) setting. So if they are naked, their arousal grows faster.

 

[Grey Cloud]

 

ffabris,

A question I've been meaning to ask for a while: what is an 'Exhibitionist'?

 

Someone tagged as an exhibitionist gets turned on by being seen naked by others. This is a SexLab Aroused (Redux) setting. So if they are naked, their arousal grows faster.

 

 

 

Thanks Vachnic.

I was hoping it was something a bit more exciting.