dje34 Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 Okay, guys ! So, this is surely the most important topic I've ever made in my whole long life as a slave, a mental slave... So you don't like this and you like that ? So you love her and hate him ? So you judge them and don't accept yourself ? So you understand this and don't understand that ? So you are sometimes happy and sometimes not ? Don't you see there is something wrong in this ? Don't you feel deep down inside that you are a slave controlled by a greater power ? Actually nothing controls you but yourself or to be more precise : what you THINK is yourself. So what are YOU ? WHO YOU ARE is an illusion, a concept, an ideal, made to ENSLAVE WHAT YOU really ARE. The brain can't understand this but the body can, listen to your body... can't you feel it ? This feeling, this presence is what you really are. What we all are. But because the brain can't understand feelings or presence it created the mental to try to master it, to try to master life. Ironically, this is what makes you, the real you, a slave. Do any one of you feel it ? Do you see now ? And now THE TRUTH (yes, be prepared) : WHO YOU/WE ARE IS WHAT YOU/WE THINK, it's an illusion made by the mind. WHAT YOU/WE ARE IS WHAT YOU/WE FEEL, it's what the mind can't understand and tries to master, poorly. Listen, don't fight, and smile. Now be free to love. Be free to live. But be careful, we are mental slaves and the mind always tries to control, poorly. It can be hard to live in truth but you will learn there is no other way to live free. Namaste
just_Gina Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 Holy horse hockey! Are you trying to say we ARE who we think we are, but who we think we are is NOT who we really are?
Guest Lickmebitch777 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 Ahhh, but ... being Living already turns you in a slave, right? Be welcome to or stop breathing oxygen to be free of all this. That's the point. Namaste.
Queen Bee Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 "If nothing we do matters, then the only thing that matters is what we do." -Angel Maybe we're slaves to our subconscious desires, maybe we're not. Maybe we're puppets for an all powerful god, maybe we're truly blessed with free will. Maybe every choice is predetermined, maybe we're free to make up the rules as we go. Who knows? But when you strip away everything else, why assume we have no control? If we can't tell the difference, it's the same as saying we can decide for ourselves. I say act like you have free will, even if you don't. Do what you think is right, treat others with respect, and it shouldn't matter if it's an illusion or not.
Jazzman Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 Holy horse hockey! Are you trying to say we ARE who we think we are, but who we think we are is NOT who we really are? ... which is correct for indoctrinated man that lives in an illusive parallel world of sorts. Who and what he really is he just finds out when he slips into the role of 'the evil others' for some time and a half, an intellectual luxury most people can't even afford cos it is mentally demanding, no doubt. And why should he do that anyway for he's on the right side of the story, isn't he?
dje34 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Posted March 18, 2016 Have you ever experienced this situation you can't understand something ? Have you ever experienced this situation you don't try to understand ? Have you ever experienced this situation you are just here, now, looking at something, peacefully, with a blank mind ? What the fuck is this experience ? Can you tell me ? No thoughts ! It's weird, huh ? So what is that ? What the fuck happened when you weren't thinking ?
meme supreme Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 You going around saying it is like it is, but it isn't.
Regallag Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 WHO YOU/WE ARE IS WHAT YOU/WE THINK, it's an illusion made by the mind. WHAT YOU/WE ARE IS WHAT YOU/WE FEEL, it's what the mind can't understand and tries to master, poorly. Listen, don't fight, and smile. Now be free to love. Be free to live. But be careful, we are mental slaves and the mind always tries to control, poorly. It can be hard to live in truth but you will learn there is no other way to live free. I disagree. You can think and feel all you want and it will mean nothing. I can think I'm a rockstar and feel like a rockstar, but if I want to pay my bills I've got to go to the warehouse and move those boxes. When the metal hits the meat all that matters is what you do. What I am is what I do. Who I am is what I do.
dje34 Posted March 19, 2016 Author Posted March 19, 2016 Why is it so hard for all of us to not think ? Now you are thinking why it is so hard to not think... huh ? Your thoughts are under my control at this very moment. As simple as that. You are a slave of your thoughts. We all are until we find what is beyond thoughts ! Don't be a fucking coward and a fucking slave, I know you were raised like a slave, I know the fear, I know the lies, I know the suffering, and I don't even exist. I am a character. But where did this character come from ? What was before the character ? Nothing ? But for you players you know there is always some thing before the character : the Character Menu ! Fuck yes ! Why don't you have the control of this fucking character menu for the character you are playing ? You think you are free ? You think you are not free ? You think ? Yes, huh, you think ? Yes, you think. And you just can't stop thinking. And as long as you think the character menu isn't under your control, it is under the control of your thoughts, therefore under the control of others : those who speak, those who write, those who make you focus on anything else but the character menu.
Jazzman Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Thoughts are perceptions we describe in simplifying words that follow the consensus of a language group, we have to think of the perceptions first to speak out the describing words. In this way we increase the speed of communication exponentially, make it far more effective without the need to tell a long drawn-out story silent like a mime or to dance a ritual dance in insect fashion first to describe a line of consensual words - the complex information, the sentence. We all know what is meant by keywords like 'house', 'sun', 'flower', 'mom' etc. However, despite the fact that we associate the consensual words with commonly shared perceptions, the perception itself remains an individual experience, the individual idea of it, and thus differs to a minor degree between the individuals of a language group. So, as a classic, when two faithful people talk about 'god' they actually talk about two slightly different individuals (real or fictive doesn't matter), their personal 'god' who is always there where the receiver of the perception is once the keyword comes to mind. His god sees him wherever he is, it is said, but actually it goes the other way round, the faithful sees god once he thinks of him. And that goes for any word. Think of a banana and your mind sees one, your version of it. We are descriptive beings that are thinking perceptive. And that's that. In fact we are slaves of a linguistic consensus, but without such a linguistic slavery we'd just talk past each other and communication as we know it would face a total breakdown.
dje34 Posted March 19, 2016 Author Posted March 19, 2016 Thoughts are perceptions we describe in simplifying words that follow the consensus of a language group, we have to think of the perceptions first to speak out the describing words. In this way we increase the speed of communication exponentially, make it far more effective without the need to tell a long drawn-out story silent like a mime or to dance a ritual dance in insect fashion first to describe a line of consensual words - the complex information, the sentence. We all know what is meant by keywords like 'house', 'sun', 'flower', 'mom' etc. However, despite the fact that we associate the consensual words with commonly shared perceptions, the perception itself remains an individual experience, the individual idea of it, and thus differs to a minor degree between the individuals of a language group. So, as a classic, when two faithful people talk about 'god' they actually talk about two slightly different individuals (real or fictive doesn't matter), their personal 'god' who is always there where the receiver of the perception is once the keyword comes to mind. His god sees him wherever he is, it is said, but actually it goes the other way round, the faithful sees god once he thinks of him. And that goes for any word. Think of a banana and your mind sees one, your version of it. We are descriptive beings that are thinking perceptive. And that's that. In fact we are slaves of a linguistic consensus, but without such a linguistic slavery we'd just talk past each other and communication as we know it would face a total breakdown. TRUE ! But there is a language you are ignoring : the body language. What you are, what you always have been and what you will always be. The mind can break, the concepts can disappear, the words can transform in sounds or lines, the body will still be here and now, and this is what you are, so we as human beings, with a conscience of what we are, deeeeeply need to listen to our body. This is an example of a human being which abruptly listened to its body : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO-EOCTGtpE
Loogie Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 What I'm gathering from all this is that the brain is the thinky part.
dje34 Posted March 19, 2016 Author Posted March 19, 2016 What I'm gathering from all this is that the brain is the thinky part. And it is sooooo easily controlled by your past and by others, now... B R E A K T H E B O N D S T O G E T Y O U R M I N D B A C K N O W http://www.thebestbrainpossible.com/free-yourself-from-mental-slavery/ You don't have to be better. You don't have to be more beautiful. You don't have to be more intelligent. You don't have to be more productive. You don't have to be more powerful. You don't have to be more sexy. You don't have to be more anything. You don't have to be more. You don't have to be less. You don't even have to be because... Y O U A L R E A D Y A R E A L L O F T H I S ! B E C A U S E A L L O F T H I S I S A L I E M A D E T O C O N T R O L Y O U ! Now stop lying to yourself.
dje34 Posted March 20, 2016 Author Posted March 20, 2016 WHO YOU/WE ARE IS WHAT YOU/WE THINK, it's an illusion made by the mind. WHAT YOU/WE ARE IS WHAT YOU/WE FEEL, it's what the mind can't understand and tries to master, poorly. Listen, don't fight, and smile. Now be free to love. Be free to live. But be careful, we are mental slaves and the mind always tries to control, poorly. It can be hard to live in truth but you will learn there is no other way to live free. I disagree. You can think and feel all you want and it will mean nothing. I can think I'm a rockstar and feel like a rockstar, but if I want to pay my bills I've got to go to the warehouse and move those boxes. When the metal hits the meat all that matters is what you do. What I am is what I do. Who I am is what I do. This is it ! You can feel all you want and it will mean nothing ! Because your brain can't understand it ! All you can do is watching and listening what you feel. You can't tell what it is, because your brain cannot tell it. It tries, and so it lies. What you are is life. Nothing more. Nothing less. And life is here and life is now. And here and now can't stop. Life can't die. Life can't be born. Only a life form can. You are a life form. So what you are is what CAN DO. And who you are is what you are THINK YOU ARE, THINK YOU DO, THINK AND DO. So, if what you are stops thinking, what happens ? Try it. Again and again and again. And when you will think it is enough, then stop thinking. Again and again and again. And when you will know this is enough, then stop thinking. Again and again and again. When you will feel this is enough then think again. Maybe, just maybe, you will feel what you are ! If not, stop thinking. Again and again and again. The less you think, the more you can do and the more you are what you are. The more you think, the less you are because you are already doing something. Why do you think ? Who are you thinking for ? What are you thinking for ? Now stop thinking. And you will feel. How hard it is. Why is it so hard ? Why are my thoughts going from the past to the future and getting back to the present ? Why can't I control it ? If I don't control it, who does ? What is beyond the thoughts ? Why is it so hard ? Why is life so hard ? Hush... Stop thinking. Again and again and again. The answer will come to you. Sooner or later. But you must stop thinking. The less you think the more you are. The more you are the more you can. The more you can the more you live. The more you live the more you love. The more you love the less you think. We all must stop thinking. BREATHE IN BREATHE OUT RELAX FOCUS LET IT BE NOW YOU ARE FREE
GrimReaper Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 So who is it your brain is lying to? Who is the one tricked by your brain?
dje34 Posted March 21, 2016 Author Posted March 21, 2016 So who is it your brain is lying to? Who is the one tricked by your brain? You said it ! The one. This is it. The brain lies to life. Life is one. We are one. All of us. It is because it thinks there are two sides of life : you and other, life and death, right and wrong, bad and good, that the brain lies. But there is no duality. It is not because the body can go in 3D that it is not connected to every thing around. Everything is connected. What is life ? The same thing every one is. Life is not your history. Life is not events in the past or in the future. Life is what you are here and now. The brain tries to master life with thoughts but thoughts are illusions. From the past to the future. Then why is the brain keeping telling us how it should or shouldn't be ? Why is the brain choosing what is wrong and what is right ? And why do we feel sometimes happy and sometimes unhappy ? Who is it that chooses for us when to be happy and when to be unhappy ? We are slaves here and now. We have to change our brains to be free to choose our destiny, how we want to live our lives inside of us to change our lives outside of us. We have the power to do it. Now it is proven. We have to listen to the body. This is where life is. The brain can't understand it and this is why the brain lies. Focus on the body. Breathe in. Breathe out. Relax. Again and again and again. Eyes closed or not. Try to not think. Try to make it quiet. Then look around and maybe you will see something new : the unknown, what the brain can't accept, what life truly is. Then you may have to choose : am I happy like this ? What if I had the power in the brain to change it on my own ? What is necessary to me to be more and more happy ? Is it what they are telling me ? Or is it what I am telling myself ? What is the difference between what they are telling me and what I am telling myself ? Maybe it is what I am not telling myself ? Maybe it is what they are not telling me ? Who is thinking ? And who is listening to the thoughts ? Focus on the body. Breathe in. Breathe out. Relax. Thoughts will happen eventually, let them come and go. Stop grabbing them, just watch them come and go, and for just one second you will be free of all these lies. There will be space. There will be peace. There will be freedom. There will be love. There will be truth. There will be life. Do not fear truth, do not fear life, you did it already too much. Focus on the body. Breathe in. Breathe out. Relax. Again. And again. And again. Stop grabbing the thoughts, just watch them come and go, and for just ten seconds you will be free of all these lies. Do not fear it, this is just life, this is your true self.
windpl Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 If heraklit and nietzsche had a baby, it would be this guy.
pinky6225 Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 While i'm viewing this as a challenge i am yet to manage to consume enough weed to get to a state where i can understand the point dje34 is trying to make WHO YOU ARE is an illusion, a concept, an ideal, made to ENSLAVE WHAT YOU really ARE. The brain can't understand this but the body can, listen to your body... can't you feel it ? This feeling, this presence is what you really are. What we all are. But because the brain can't understand feelings or presence it created the mental to try to master it, to try to master life. If we put the subject of conscious thought to the side for the moment, you brain is as much a part of you body as your heart or liver or any other part and in most cases today we are taught to put aside are unconscious impulses triggered by our brain - i.e. i dislike that person because they look different to everybody else in the group/what i am use to so i dont understand how returning to a more impulse driven life style
dje34 Posted March 26, 2016 Author Posted March 26, 2016 While i'm viewing this as a challenge i am yet to manage to consume enough weed to get to a state where i can understand the point dje34 is trying to make WHO YOU ARE is an illusion, a concept, an ideal, made to ENSLAVE WHAT YOU really ARE. The brain can't understand this but the body can, listen to your body... can't you feel it ? This feeling, this presence is what you really are. What we all are. But because the brain can't understand feelings or presence it created the mental to try to master it, to try to master life. If we put the subject of conscious thought to the side for the moment, you brain is as much a part of you body as your heart or liver or any other part and in most cases today we are taught to put aside are unconscious impulses triggered by our brain - i.e. i dislike that person because they look different to everybody else in the group/what i am use to so i dont understand how returning to a more impulse driven life style Impressive. But the truth is also in the guts and in the heart, not only in the brain, actually not in the brain at all. In western society we use our brains to master our guts, and the heart is the bridge. In eastern society they use their guts to master their brains, and the heart is the bridge. Get connected to your true self. You can be free. Now it is time to stop thinking and start living. Don't you see there is something more than this ? We are a whole body. We are one. There is no 'impulse driven life style', there is just mental slavery life style or mental mastery life style. Breathe in. Breathe out. Focus. Relax. Do it all again. And again. And again. And again. And... you will see them coming. Don't grab, let them come and go... Just watch. Breathe in. Breathe out. Focus. Relax. Do it all again.
GrimReaper Posted April 1, 2016 Posted April 1, 2016 You said it ! The one. This is it. The brain lies to life. Life is one. We are one. All of us. It is because it thinks there are two sides of life : you and other, life and death, right and wrong, bad and good, that the brain lies. But there is no duality. It is not because the body can go in 3D that it is not connected to every thing around. Everything is connected. What is life ? The same thing every one is. Life is not your history. Life is not events in the past or in the future. Life is what you are here and now. The brain tries to master life with thoughts but thoughts are illusions. From the past to the future. Then why is the brain keeping telling us how it should or shouldn't be ? Why is the brain choosing what is wrong and what is right ? And why do we feel sometimes happy and sometimes unhappy ? Who is it that chooses for us when to be happy and when to be unhappy ? We are slaves here and now. We have to change our brains to be free to choose our destiny, how we want to live our lives inside of us to change our lives outside of us. We have the power to do it. Now it is proven. We have to listen to the body. This is where life is. The brain can't understand it and this is why the brain lies. Focus on the body. Breathe in. Breathe out. Relax. Again and again and again. Eyes closed or not. Try to not think. Try to make it quiet. Then look around and maybe you will see something new : the unknown, what the brain can't accept, what life truly is. Then you may have to choose : am I happy like this ? What if I had the power in the brain to change it on my own ? What is necessary to me to be more and more happy ? Is it what they are telling me ? Or is it what I am telling myself ? What is the difference between what they are telling me and what I am telling myself ? Maybe it is what I am not telling myself ? Maybe it is what they are not telling me ? Who is thinking ? And who is listening to the thoughts ? Focus on the body. Breathe in. Breathe out. Relax. Thoughts will happen eventually, let them come and go. Stop grabbing them, just watch them come and go, and for just one second you will be free of all these lies. There will be space. There will be peace. There will be freedom. There will be love. There will be truth. There will be life. Do not fear truth, do not fear life, you did it already too much. Focus on the body. Breathe in. Breathe out. Relax. Again. And again. And again. Stop grabbing the thoughts, just watch them come and go, and for just ten seconds you will be free of all these lies. Do not fear it, this is just life, this is your true self. You have some very weird ideas there. First, life is, most simply put, a process that invoves some kind of metabolism, growth and reproduction. You're partially right that everything is connected, albeit not in a metaphysical or esoteric way, no. It's just that everything most likely started with the big bang, so everything that was, is and will be can be traced back to that. Second, there is no 'brain and you'. Everything that makes you you and then some is what your brain actually is. The brain can't tell you lies because you are not a seperate entity from your brain. Also you can't shut it down, no matter how hard you try. Your brain is always active, always processing information and keeping your body alive. Even if one would be able to actually shut down the brain, you'd simply die. And last but not least, telling people not to think and just be is not a new idea and it never really was that exciting to begin with. It's also an idea born out of luxury and boredom. Claiming how simple everything really is is something that's quite ironic considering that thinking about shit like this requires a lot of people to work hard to provide you a (relatively) comfortable and (relatively) safe space that allows you to think in the first place.
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