OSex+ The Greatest Virtual Sex Ever

[dagobaking]

9 minutes ago, PHSummoner364 said:

Nah, I'm not trying to fool anyone. 
We both know that by the end of this conversation, you'll be still with your opinion and I'll be with mine.

 

I'm not concerned with that. I'm concerned with the story being told in a misleading manner.

 

I'm confident that anyone without a stake in the issue will agree with my opinion when they have all of the facts straight.

 

People don't get to call foul after they've committed 20 of their own already.

 

9 minutes ago, PHSummoner364 said:

Thanks for such a long answer, it was fun to read ? Sorry if I somehow insulted you personally, my only grudge is with CE0. 

 

No insult personally. But, you are coming onto a mod author's thread and trying to trash their character. That, I am not really a fan of.

[PHSummoner364]

4 minutes ago, dagobaking said:

 

I'm not concerned with that. I'm concerned with the story being told in a misleading manner.

 

I'm confident that anyone without a stake in the issue will agree with my opinion when they have all of the facts straight.

 

People don't get to call foul after they've committed 20 of their own already.

 

 

No insult personally. But, you are coming onto a mod author's thread and trying to trash their character. That, I am not really a fan of.

This is a public space. As long as I don't call CE0 with clear bad words (which I never did) there's nothing wrong with that.
If you put something out in the internet, expect to get some criticism. If you aren't ready for that, you shouldn't be publishing anything. It's as simple as that.

[dagobaking]

30 minutes ago, PHSummoner364 said:

This is a public space. As long as I don't call CE0 with clear bad words (which I never did) there's nothing wrong with that.
If you put something out in the internet, expect to get some criticism. If you aren't ready for that, you shouldn't be publishing anything. It's as simple as that.

 

It's not as simple as that though.

 

What you wrote was misleading. I don't know if that was intentional or if you yourself were misled about the incident. But, spreading misleading information about a person is just as bad as an insult.

 

Additionally, I think you exhibit the same kind of hubris that caused this entire story to begin with. While you can technically write whatever you want on the internet and you personally think everyone should just expect it, you seem completely shocked by the consequences of actions like yours when someone reacts negatively.

 

In other words, you feel entitled to enjoy peoples generosity while talking shit about them at the same time.

 

Just be aware that sometimes your free-wheeling internet criticism rights end up saying more about you than the person you are trying to criticize.

Edited July 1, 2022 by dagobaking

[PHSummoner364]

6 hours ago, dagobaking said:

 

It's not as simple as that though.

 

What you wrote was misleading. I don't know if that was intentional or if you yourself were misled about the incident. But, spreading misleading information about a person is just as bad as an insult.

 

Additionally, I think you exhibit the same kind of hubris that caused this entire story to begin with. While you can technically write whatever you want on the internet and you personally think everyone should just expect it, you seem completely shocked by the consequences of actions like yours when someone reacts negatively.

 

In other words, you feel entitled to enjoy peoples generosity while talking shit about them at the same time.

 

Just be aware that sometimes your free-wheeling internet criticism rights end up saying more about you than the person you are trying to criticize.

You're trying to present your version of the story as the only RIGHT story which is NEVER the case. The truth always lies somewhere in between.
I'm not defending OStim team or blaming only CE0. The only truth here is that all players lost probably the best sex system in the game due to hubris of one side, and lack of manners (according to your words) of other side.

[dagobaking]

11 hours ago, PHSummoner364 said:

You're trying to present your version of the story as the only RIGHT story which is NEVER the case. The truth always lies somewhere in between.
I'm not defending OStim team or blaming only CE0. The only truth here is that all players lost probably the best sex system in the game due to hubris of one side, and lack of manners (according to your words) of other side.

 

Opinions are not the same thing as facts.

 

My explanation includes all of the facts such as the order of events and the reason why CE0 did those things. You presented a story that omitted those facts and made it sound like he just attacked OStim randomly for fun.

 

Everyone can have their own opinion about it. Of course. But, honestly, the only explanation I see for anyone holding onto the opinion you describe, given all of the actual facts, is that they have a stake in the issue (an OStim mod maker or fan of their ideas).

[PHSummoner364]

2 hours ago, dagobaking said:

 

Opinions are not the same thing as facts.

 

My explanation includes all of the facts such as the order of events and the reason why CE0 did those things. You presented a story that omitted those facts and made it sound like he just attacked OStim randomly for fun.

 

Everyone can have their own opinion about it. Of course. But, honestly, the only explanation I see for anyone holding onto the opinion you describe, given all of the actual facts, is that they have a stake in the issue (an OStim mod maker or fan of their ideas).

Are you nuts? What facts are you talking about? Some random messages in discord that are long gone? You've gotta be kidding, lol. Where's proofs, Lebovski? Oh, right, you don't have any. You only have your word against mine and "there must be messages in discord". Just hilarious.
Go play Devil's advocates somewhere else.

[PHSummoner364]

2 hours ago, dagobaking said:

 

 

Everyone can have their own opinion about it. Of course. But, honestly, the only explanation I see for anyone holding onto the opinion you describe, given all of the actual facts, is that they have a stake in the issue (an OStim mod maker or fan of their ideas).

What are you a fan of? A bare sex system with animations that aren't immersed in the game in anyway? I can just go watch porn with the same results, lol. 

I won't be answering to you anymore, go watch Mern's video about this whole thing, I dunno. I'd rather trust him than some random CE0's advocate lol who "presents all his facts" by just saying that OStim team treated CE0 badly and they had to be punished. Yeah, right. 

[dagobaking]

8 hours ago, PHSummoner364 said:

Are you nuts? What facts are you talking about? Some random messages in discord that are long gone? You've gotta be kidding, lol. Where's proofs, Lebovski? Oh, right, you don't have any. You only have your word against mine and "there must be messages in discord". Just hilarious.

 

I saw the messages myself. That was all the proof I needed.

 

Besides, it's not like you would even have a leg to stand on without that:

 

"We got the rights to your work on a technicality and we're going to continue using it against your wishes! Nanner nanner!" is ethically indefensible. It reveals that you have no respect for the author that made the work and shared it with you for free. Not even just some random work that you could take or leave. But, the work that your own community of mods relies on and grew out of.

 

I'll write it again: You are so entitled that you take advantage of other peoples charity while talking shit about them.

 

8 hours ago, PHSummoner364 said:

Go play Devil's advocates somewhere else.

 

A lot of us are tired of users and groups like yours adding a negative element for mod authors to "expect".

 

Go take your Walmart customer service attitude back to your discord bro-bubble before you encourage more mod authors to not bother contributing.

 

8 hours ago, PHSummoner364 said:

What are you a fan of? A bare sex system with animations that aren't immersed in the game in anyway? I can just go watch porn with the same results, lol.

 

And here you show your true colors.

 

You are obsessed with seeing a certain type of adult mod that gets you off. You don't give two shits who has to be stepped on to get there.

 

Your flailing here, just like the OBro flailing that happened when CE0 came back, is nothing but personal disappointment about a mod's progress.

 

Instead of being accountable for your actions and admitting this, you want to now dress up your frustrations as some kind of noble cause against a big meanie... Never mind that without the generosity of this big meanie you wouldn't have any OStim mods or community to begin with.

 

8 hours ago, PHSummoner364 said:

I won't be answering to you anymore, go watch Mern's video about this whole thing, I dunno. I'd rather trust him than some random CE0's advocate lol who "presents all his facts" by just saying that OStim team treated CE0 badly and they had to be punished. Yeah, right. 

 

I've already watched Mern's video. I think people should only watch it if they want a good laugh. His argument is essentially that it is mysterious that CE0 took the actions that he did. It wasn't mysterious at all for anyone who followed the issue from the beginning: OStim bros threw a fit and were assholes to CE0 when he came back because they were worried that his new plans would disrupt their projects.

 

Fact. I witnessed this first hand.

[ninjagaidenguy]

I witnessed it first hand and was in CE0's discord before I voluntarily left, you are being pretty disingenuous imo but I have already said my opinion, have fun with your dead mod.

[Jindale]

23 hours ago, PHSummoner364 said:

What are you a fan of? A bare sex system with animations that aren't immersed in the game in anyway? I can just go watch porn with the same results, lol. 

I won't be answering to you anymore, go watch Mern's video about this whole thing, I dunno. I'd rather trust him than some random CE0's advocate lol who "presents all his facts" by just saying that OStim team treated CE0 badly and they had to be punished. Yeah, right. 

And theeeere's the stimmie permavirginity, "muh immersion", because apparently your whole lot has to plug the lack of a healthy sexlife with all dem SmOoTh TrAnSiTiOnAl AnImAtIoNs.

 

Tell me, do the nobodies still advertise stimmie modules as "orignal work", do they still fail to mention it's all just a lazy, shoddy hamfisting attempt at making AS2 functions on Papyrus? How the bad copies of Defeat, Aroused and the likes are stripped of all the maintenance and diagnostics their superior SL versions come with out of the box? Cause, you know, Player Victim toggle actually isn't a hard bake to the save?

 

Oh, and does aceplebianes still advertise his animations as his work? The ones he traced from SL animations? Does he still act like he's hot shit, when without CEO's rig he'd be nothing but asking CEO for advice every 6 minutes?

Edited July 3, 2022 by Jindale
Because I can.

[PHSummoner364]

2 hours ago, Jindale said:

And theeeere's the stimmie permavirginity, "muh immersion", because apparently your whole lot has to plug the lack of a healthy sexlife with all dem SmOoTh TrAnSiTiOnAl AnImAtIoNs.

 

Tell me, do the nobodies still advertise stimmie modules as "orignal work", do they still fail to mention it's all just a lazy, shoddy hamfisting attempt at making AS2 functions on Papyrus? How the bad copies of Defeat, Aroused and the likes are stripped of all the maintenance and diagnostics their superior SL versions come with out of the box? Cause, you know, Player Victim toggle actually isn't a hard bake to the save?

 

Oh, and does aceplebianes still advertise his animations as his work? The ones he traced from SL animations? Does he still act like he's hot shit, when without CEO's rig he'd be nothing but asking CEO for advice every 6 minutes?

What the *** did you just write? Geez. It's just a random sequence of words.
And it's funny to hear insults about me looking for porn content when this whole website is dedicated to porn content. What are you doing here then? So two-faced you are.

[Paladox]

The majority of people following this thread don't really care about the CEO vs OStim debate (schoolyard kiddie fight in the sandbox as it is). We just want an update when CEO comes back and posts again. Everything else is trash.

[dagobaking]

On 7/2/2022 at 11:25 AM, ninjagaidenguy said:

I witnessed it first hand and was in CE0's discord before I voluntarily left, you are being pretty disingenuous imo but I have already said my opinion, have fun with your dead mod.

 

What is "pretty disingenuous" about the observation that insisting on using an authors free work while trashing their character from every angle is entitled behavior that damages the modding community?

 

On 7/2/2022 at 9:28 PM, PHSummoner364 said:

What the *** did you just write? Geez. It's just a random sequence of words.
And it's funny to hear insults about me looking for porn content when this whole website is dedicated to porn content. What are you doing here then? So two-faced you are.

 

"This is a public space... If you put something out in the internet, expect to get some criticism. If you aren't ready for that, you shouldn't be publishing anything. It's as simple as that."

 

- Somebody

 

19 hours ago, Paladox said:

The majority of people following this thread don't really care about the CEO vs OStim debate (schoolyard kiddie fight in the sandbox as it is). We just want an update when CEO comes back and posts again. Everything else is trash.

 

I agree with this. Which is why I directly criticized PHSummoner coming onto this page to talk trash.

 

Unfortunately, if uncontested, that behavior gets worse like a building storm. Just look at the OStim discord.

[PHSummoner364]

1 hour ago, dagobaking said:

 

What is "pretty disingenuous" about the observation that insisting on using an authors free work while trashing their character from every angle is entitled behavior that damages the modding community?

 

 

 

Can you give some real proofs of that? Your "I've seen it first hand" contradicts EVERYONE's else words I heard about this story. So far, you're just a big liar who's trying so hard to make it look like small poor CE0 was kicked by evil and angry "discord boys".
Is that why EVERYONE from CE0's circle turned their back on him when he started doing this drama story with OStim for no reason? Even though they've been friends for a damn long time?
You don't agree that the truth lies somewhere in between (which is always the case) and PUT ALL THE BLAME ON OSTIM. Therefore I say you're just a big aloof liar. Or a troll.

Your sense of self-entitlement makes me sick. You're not better than anyone here. 

[dagobaking]

11 hours ago, PHSummoner364 said:

Can you give some real proofs of that? Your "I've seen it first hand" contradicts EVERYONE's else words I heard about this story. So far, you're just a big liar who's trying so hard to make it look like small poor CE0 was kicked by evil and angry "discord boys".

 

What are you asking me to provide proof of? My statement that you quoted is a second argument, not based on the discord bros earlier behavior.

 

Here it is, broken down for you:

1. CE0 made his work available for free. - True. Do you doubt this?
2. The OStim community made mods that require CE0's work. - True. Do you doubt this?
3. The OStim discord, to this day, is chock full of bros talking trash about CE0, while they continue to either rely directly on his work or are attempting to make a derivative of his idea. - True. Do you doubt this?

 

11 hours ago, PHSummoner364 said:

Is that why EVERYONE from CE0's circle turned their back on him when he started doing this drama story with OStim for no reason? Even though they've been friends for a damn long time?

 

Here you are perpetuating another falsehood. The people who "turned their backs" were not CE0's friends and were simply mod authors/users that either have direct stakes in OStim (making money from it on patreon) or were fans of the features it added.

 

For example, Migal:

 

 

 

Does that sound like a friend to you?

 

And people there listened:

 

 

 

Gee, kind of sounds exactly like the attitude that I described to you, doesn't it?

 

11 hours ago, PHSummoner364 said:

You don't agree that the truth lies somewhere in between (which is always the case) and PUT ALL THE BLAME ON OSTIM. Therefore I say you're just a big aloof liar. Or a troll.

 

I'm a troll? You are the one who came to CE0's thread to talk trash about him. I'm just letting you know that it's unwelcome behavior imo and am explaining why.

 

And no, I do not agree that the truth lies somewhere in between. And I do put the blame on OStim for CE0 leaving which affects people who respect him as a person and enjoy his work.

 

You can go to the OStim discord right now and peruse the comments to see what level of respect and sophistication lives there. And just in case you want to claim I'm lying, here's a sampling for you:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To give credit where it's due. SOME users there did push back. But, leadership did nothing to elevate this perspective over the 4chan-like bro-storm:

 

 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, PHSummoner364 said:

Your sense of self-entitlement makes me sick. You're not better than anyone here. 

 

I never claimed that I'm better than anyone else. That's just a feeling you got because my arguments about CE0 vs. OStim are more compelling than yours.

[PHSummoner364]

1 hour ago, dagobaking said:

 

 

 

I never claimed that I'm better than anyone else. That's just a feeling you got because my arguments about CE0 vs. OStim are more compelling than yours.

No, it's just that up to this point you didn't give any proofs aside from you being the witness of how things unfolded. Thanks for the screenshots. It was informative.

[CEO 0S]

Happy 4th and Summer,
My phone was blowing up with  action here, thanks for the support. I'll just lay out the issue but it's primarily a technical one, and points at my own naiveness for what these things can turn into.

 

This is a paradox that can happen with not keeping software All Rights Reserved which was exacerbated by Nexus mods new policy. I was not able to develop my mod without competing with myself (past and future work) indefinitely unless I was able to make an incompatible version. It was difficult, however, to make an incompatible version because Stim's community has personal ties to a Nexus Community manager called BigBizkit who would attempt to intimidate me daily if I made any changes to any of my mods (not just OSA, but absolute closed permission mods like OSex). If you research BigBizkit further you can find information from other moders claiming that he attempts to extort them through nexus, for his own projects and even income. As I see it the income people were making from OSex was attracting a number of sharks and they had a pretty strong bite into my projects.

 

The reason I needed incompatibility was that whatever work I did further would automatically be usable by Stim, since Stim wraps around OSA, and Stim's Developer stated he was going to be a competing "framework" with my project. This meant that without incompatibility everything I did going forward would become a permanent part of Stim to compete with me (Hence not allowing me to ever compete). I was urged further because the Stim community has been propagating for over a year a narrative discrediting my character and the quality of my work. This became apparent to me shortly after returning and I was very surprised to see it as I believe this project was always held to a high standard of community interaction. To not seek incompatibility would mean I have to work 18+ hour days for months just so other people, who were spending time slandering me instead of working, could get paid and take all the internet positive tangibles. 

 

I will reiterate this mod was made by me alone, it achieved great heights and I'm very proud of it. I'm saddened that the reputation of this work and the Ceo identity got pulled through the mud, however, I will not be arguing this further as we've done this loop 1000 times now. Thanks everyone, while few publicly would stand for me, I got lots of private support which meant a lot (and I needed it as this was an awful experience for me). While I do wish more would publicly stand I can understand not wanting to get in front of the freight train that the viral mob is and I know you got better things to be doing anyways with your time.

 

If there's anything to take from this: to all software developers, if you actually do code yourself and create things that you are proud of please just stamp All Rights Reserved on it, unless it's something that clearly should be open-source. Don't do any fancy perms and don't public your Gits. There are far more bad-faith actors out there than good ones and few will forward your work respectfully, I'm not the only mod author that has gone through this, and I'm sure this will just become more prevalent across many types of programming and creative work. Somebody warned me with a similar message in this very thread about 5 years ago and I ignored it to my detriment. As I see it now the people that champion the idea of open-source tend to not be creative but instead predators. In this case many have been lecturing me about open-source for half a year now and their open-source collectiveness apparently has yet to deliver a framework of their own to mirror my "incompetent, shody, trash work".

 

Best to Everyone, Happy Holiday, Freedom, and I hope you're having a great summer!

[Paladox]

It's great to see you're okay CEO. Happy 4th of July to you too. Hope you have a fantastic one! ?
Looking forward to seeing what you do next. Hopefully the OStim drama won't rear its ugly head again, but I'm sure we haven't seen the last of it.

[Guest]

On 6/22/2022 at 2:52 AM, PHSummoner364 said:

So he just came back, destroyed OStim and vanished again. 
Pardon me but this guy is just... I'd love to say who he is but I don't want to get banned.

 

You're right, but you can't have a productive discussion about a topic where one side is continually muzzled, banned, etc. It's pointless to try here. The bottom line is that the community had something good that was being regularly updated, and now it has abandonware that requires a full time squad of cheerleaders. Anyone who can look at that and see a "win" isn't sensible enough for conversation to be worth the attempt.

[PHSummoner364]

5 hours ago, no13 said:

 

You're right, but you can't have a productive discussion about a topic where one side is continually muzzled, banned, etc. It's pointless to try here. The bottom line is that the community had something good that was being regularly updated, and now it has abandonware that requires a full time squad of cheerleaders. Anyone who can look at that and see a "win" isn't sensible enough for conversation to be worth the attempt.

Well, I just decided there's no point in this conversation here. What matters is that OSex is dead. OStim is pretty much dead too. 

There's no use in pointing fingers at anyone now.

[Guest]

 

[skybird]

On 7/12/2022 at 10:05 AM, PHSummoner364 said:

Well, I just decided there's no point in this conversation here. What matters is that OSex is dead. OStim is pretty much dead too. 

There's no use in pointing fingers at anyone now.

I am in the mood to play skyrim(SE) again and wanted to test this out for scientific reasons hah (just curious to find out if its really that good). I am not reading all the soap just want to know if it works or if I should avoid it. Can it mess up my skyrim installation (not that it would harm as I got a full backup but I want to avoid wasting to much time),

I am surprised to read its dead as I saw an update on Nexus https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/58640 and I was about to test it out but as always I check loverslab first. There is also this long installation guide duuuh.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/articles/3751

or do you advice another installation guide.

Cheers

[KinkyReborn]

On 7/4/2022 at 12:15 PM, dagobaking said:

 

What are you asking me to provide proof of? My statement that you quoted is a second argument, not based on the discord bros earlier behavior.

 

Here it is, broken down for you:

1. CE0 made his work available for free. - True. Do you doubt this?
2. The OStim community made mods that require CE0's work. - True. Do you doubt this?
3. The OStim discord, to this day, is chock full of bros talking trash about CE0, while they continue to either rely directly on his work or are attempting to make a derivative of his idea. - True. Do you doubt this?

 

 

Here you are perpetuating another falsehood. The people who "turned their backs" were not CE0's friends and were simply mod authors/users that either have direct stakes in OStim (making money from it on patreon) or were fans of the features it added.

 

For example, Migal:

 

 

 

Does that sound like a friend to you?

 

And people there listened:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I colored yellow your question. Did you know that it wasnt CEO's idea at all? Do you actualy believe that CEO created this mod all alone? I know that CEO is egoistic person wtih god complex and got many followers but did he really make you belive that he did all of this completely alone?

 

I can completely understand why Migal would say that CEO returning might be last thing they need. If you were working with CEO as a team member then you would know that CEO = Drama.

That translates to "Drama returning might be last thing we need". As you can see drama did happen big time.

 

During development of OSA, Migal was always able to fix any bugs i reported during testing of OSA, on the other hand CEO was more about making OSA flashy and adding more and more irrelevant things like colorfull icons that eventualy led to burning out and leave so CEO left the mod in buggy state.

 

Now imagine working with someone who doesnt listen to anyone just keeps acting like a god among people only seeking for more and more worshipers.

People like that eventualy stay alone. So "EVERYONE IS BAD  FOR ABANDONING CEO" could not be further from truth. Also "THEY DID IT FOR MONEY" is false statement.

I was part of a team and got no money. I was there helping to test everything so that you all dont get buggy mess of a mod.

It was my idea (original Kinky account that i cant access anymore - forgot the mail) to create user interface to control everyting. Early days of this mod it was controled by keys.

You would need whole keyboard by now for all animations if that stayed like CEO's original idea., and you would need to memorize all controls.

It was help from PipDude that made user interface possible. other people helped with translations.

 

CEO is no god and by now he should have learned to play nice together with other cool people.

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/4/2022 at 6:25 PM, CEO 0S said:

Happy 4th and Summer,
My phone was blowing up with  action here, thanks for the support. I'll just lay out the issue but it's primarily a technical one, and points at my own naiveness for what these things can turn into.

 

This is a paradox that can happen with not keeping software All Rights Reserved which was exacerbated by Nexus mods new policy. I was not able to develop my mod without competing with myself (past and future work) indefinitely unless I was able to make an incompatible version. It was difficult, however, to make an incompatible version because Stim's community has personal ties to a Nexus Community manager called BigBizkit who would attempt to intimidate me daily if I made any changes to any of my mods (not just OSA, but absolute closed permission mods like OSex). If you research BigBizkit further you can find information from other moders claiming that he attempts to extort them through nexus, for his own projects and even income. As I see it the income people were making from OSex was attracting a number of sharks and they had a pretty strong bite into my projects.

 

The reason I needed incompatibility was that whatever work I did further would automatically be usable by Stim, since Stim wraps around OSA, and Stim's Developer stated he was going to be a competing "framework" with my project. This meant that without incompatibility everything I did going forward would become a permanent part of Stim to compete with me (Hence not allowing me to ever compete). I was urged further because the Stim community has been propagating for over a year a narrative discrediting my character and the quality of my work. This became apparent to me shortly after returning and I was very surprised to see it as I believe this project was always held to a high standard of community interaction. To not seek incompatibility would mean I have to work 18+ hour days for months just so other people, who were spending time slandering me instead of working, could get paid and take all the internet positive tangibles. 

 

I will reiterate this mod was made by me alone, it achieved great heights and I'm very proud of it. I'm saddened that the reputation of this work and the Ceo identity got pulled through the mud, however, I will not be arguing this further as we've done this loop 1000 times now. Thanks everyone, while few publicly would stand for me, I got lots of private support which meant a lot (and I needed it as this was an awful experience for me). While I do wish more would publicly stand I can understand not wanting to get in front of the freight train that the viral mob is and I know you got better things to be doing anyways with your time.

 

If there's anything to take from this: to all software developers, if you actually do code yourself and create things that you are proud of please just stamp All Rights Reserved on it, unless it's something that clearly should be open-source. Don't do any fancy perms and don't public your Gits. There are far more bad-faith actors out there than good ones and few will forward your work respectfully, I'm not the only mod author that has gone through this, and I'm sure this will just become more prevalent across many types of programming and creative work. Somebody warned me with a similar message in this very thread about 5 years ago and I ignored it to my detriment. As I see it now the people that champion the idea of open-source tend to not be creative but instead predators. In this case many have been lecturing me about open-source for half a year now and their open-source collectiveness apparently has yet to deliver a framework of their own to mirror my "incompetent, shody, trash work".

 

Best to Everyone, Happy Holiday, Freedom, and I hope you're having a great summer!

 

You make it seem like our team never existed. I can only tell you to grow up. Maybe even live a life and let other people play with what you did make- for a game.

It is a game and not some multibilion dollar business that someone will steal from you.

I didnt play Skyrim in years. Perhaps i should try what they made.

[PHSummoner364]

15 hours ago, KinkyReborn said:

 

 

I colored yellow your question. Did you know that it wasnt CEO's idea at all? Do you actualy believe that CEO created this mod all alone? I know that CEO is egoistic person wtih god complex and got many followers but did he really make you belive that he did all of this completely alone?

 

I can completely understand why Migal would say that CEO returning might be last thing they need. If you were working with CEO as a team member then you would know that CEO = Drama.

That translates to "Drama returning might be last thing we need". As you can see drama did happen big time.

 

During development of OSA, Migal was always able to fix any bugs i reported during testing of OSA, on the other hand CEO was more about making OSA flashy and adding more and more irrelevant things like colorfull icons that eventualy led to burning out and leave so CEO left the mod in buggy state.

 

Now imagine working with someone who doesnt listen to anyone just keeps acting like a god among people only seeking for more and more worshipers.

People like that eventualy stay alone. So "EVERYONE IS BAD  FOR ABANDONING CEO" could not be further from truth. Also "THEY DID IT FOR MONEY" is false statement.

I was part of a team and got no money. I was there helping to test everything so that you all dont get buggy mess of a mod.

It was my idea (original Kinky account that i cant access anymore - forgot the mail) to create user interface to control everyting. Early days of this mod it was controled by keys.

You would need whole keyboard by now for all animations if that stayed like CEO's original idea., and you would need to memorize all controls.

It was help from PipDude that made user interface possible. other people helped with translations.

 

CEO is no god and by now he should have learned to play nice together with other cool people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You make it seem like our team never existed. I can only tell you to grow up. Maybe even live a life and let other people play with what you did make- for a game.

It is a game and not some multibilion dollar business that someone will steal from you.

I didnt play Skyrim in years. Perhaps i should try what they made.

Hey, thanks for your input. 
And thank you a lot for your hard work even though "god" CE0 doesn't even mention any of you. 

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Hi CEO, it's so good to see you are still around. OSex is one of the greatest mods out there, I'd even call it glory of modding history. You definitely deserve the honor. I'm sorry to know that you've been misunderstood, I just have a few ideas to share, hope it could help ?

 

1. Maybe it's better to tell us more about the whole story? Let people understand you, so we will stand with you. I know you've tried, but with what you' did, here's what it looks like:

        1.CEO was blocking OStim in his update. He gave open permission but now he regretted.

        3.CEO stopped updating his mods again, when he said he would - went back on his word again.

        4.CEO came back only to kill OStim. Now OSex and OStim are both dead because of him. CEO is the bad guy blah blah...

Now I know this is not true, but only because I accidentally checked this thread today and saw the messages of you guys. So how many others could still be wrong about you?

 

Making conflict with other mods did deliver a strong message, but it felt like you were standing against us - the mod users. Blocking your nexus comment, stopping your updates, these felt negative too, I wouldn't call it a wise move. Make more friends, not more enemies! OStim told their side of story on their Patreon page, and to me they looked like the good guys in that way.

 

I'm sure there are better ways. Put a note on your website? give a proper explanation, about what they said, how it was wrong, and what you felt, etc.? As you may have guessed from the shit I wrote, I'm not a native English speaker, so I'm sorry I can't give a more detailed advice, since I'm not very familiar of your culture. It's been a headache already just to type this, but hey man for you it's totally worth the effort.

 

2.As for the competing you've mentioned, how about just implement their features in your own mod? Win the "competition" by making their mods redundant. After all, OSex is the "official" one, while OStim is just an add-on. Like, who'd use USSEP if Bethesda fixed all their shit? And don't forget that USSEP is actually in pretty good shape, while OStim isn't all that perfect.

 

I've been using OStim myself, because I want some features of theirs that your mods did not offer, i.e.climax. It feels incomplete for a sex system to not include an immersive way to end a scene, so when OStim came out, I was very excited.  However, if you can add just some of these "vital" features, I won't even hesitate to switch back, and I believe many will do the same. You don't even need to add all the features from every OStim plugin out there, just finish the ones you believe that should be there, and then finish them properly. Many OStim plugin features are just unnecessary, and I'm totally fine without them. A great modder like you must be more than capable of defining your requirement. I have faith in your taste! I believe even if your early versions turns out buggy, many people will start to switch back to you, since yours are the future.

Edited July 17, 2022 by GFather