Deviously Cursed Loot LE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[ChandraArgentis]

While doing a few runs of the Cursed Collar quest, I've encountered a few minor bugs.  For example, it has sent me to the same location twice on one quest, once even back-to-back.  

Recommend changing the mod to pre-populate all of the upcoming locations or exclude previously visited locations to avoid this from occurring.

[SkyAddiction]

@Kimy Semi-bug report:

 

1. Spawned in via non-DCL alternate start, established myself, then went for Chloe (Natch). Found Chloe, freed Chloe. Chloe reenters furniture in dungeon and emerges with Iron Prisoner Shackles. That was odd, so I saved, exited, and checked logs. No stack dumps, no notifications outside the usual flotsam mod devs sometimes leave that I've been too lazy to remove.

 

2. Progress through Courier in Chains and Learning the Ropes, no issues.

 

3. Supply and Demand fails on item recovery. Four boss chests in, no item, no quest advancement. I had a previous save, and there was no indication of stack dumps or any irregular DCL activity. On various saves, I tried to place the exotic rubber in inventory, advance the quest stage-by-stage, and completing the quest, all through console. No response. At this point, since I'm mostly running the Bound in Skyrim questline to get goodies and not to play it through this time, I used the "Free Me!" debug option and quest items choice to fix and end it.

 

4. The only other place it could've broke is on Courier in Chains upon meeting Chloe. I had a save just before taking the quest and again, there was no indication of stack dumps or other DCL activity that was anything but normal.

 

5. I'm not expecting a resolution. The questline obviously broke somewhere along the way, most likely when I got Chloe out of her furniture. I'm pretty sure she's supposed to be device-free after you unlock her?

 

Anyway, my game is going to be fine since the Bound in Skyrim quest isn't central to my plans, and my game is stable. I'm adding this here in case you happen to get more such reports, which will hopefully make such potential problems easier to resolve. 

 

Edit: This is DCL 9.0.

Edited January 22, 2022 by SkyAddiction

[HeDead]

One thing I'm curious about is whether or not we'll get a heavy blindfold item to match with the Heavy Gag Harness and Heavy Collar that are used to comprise the Veil, The Silencer and The Choker. I just found it a little bit odd that those two have a "normal" variant of gag whereas The Veil is the only iteration.

[MaxRenRez]

I have a question. Does anyone else have a problem with things like piercings not getting removed, even with the tool or the free me screen? I completed the LEON quest, but when he took everything off my character, they didn't come out. 

 

In particular, it's the Obsidian Piercings. None of them come out, despite anything I may do.

Edited January 23, 2022 by MaxRenRez
Forgot to add something important.

[Zaflis]

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3. Supply and Demand fails on item recovery. Four boss chests in, no item, no quest advancement. I had a previous save, and there was no indication of stack dumps or any irregular DCL activity. On various saves, I tried to place the exotic rubber in inventory, advance the quest stage-by-stage, and completing the quest, all through console. No response. At this point, since I'm mostly running the Bound in Skyrim questline to get goodies and not to play it through this time, I used the "Free Me!" debug option and quest items choice to fix and end it.

The common trick was to save just before opening boss chest and then load again and again until it drops.

 

As long as you are fine with the risk that DCL's "Free me" will break quests. You likely won't be able to advance "Bound in Skyrim" if you use it.

 

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5. I'm not expecting a resolution. The questline obviously broke somewhere along the way, most likely when I got Chloe out of her furniture. I'm pretty sure she's supposed to be device-free after you unlock her?

Yes she is, but remember you still need to go and fetch a key for her restraints. She isn't supposed to get free right when you meet and first talk to her. You never mentioned that you did that part.

 

But there is also the chance that your script load or mod conflict is preventing DCL from working right. Skyrim can be very delicate in that way.

[SkyAddiction]

7 minutes ago, Zaflis said:

The common trick was to save just before opening boss chest and then load again and again until it drops.

 

Yes, but with 9.0 the Exotic Rubber item drops in the first ornate chest you open. I've done it in previous games and it works. You can also use the AddItemInventory mod to just immediately complete that quest stage and then get right to cleaning. That didn't work either.

 

9 minutes ago, Zaflis said:

As long as you are fine with the risk that DCL's "Free me" will break quests. You likely won't be able to advance "Bound in Skyrim" if you use it.

 

As stated, running the DCL quests wasn't the objective of this playthrough. I'm well aware it permanently breaks the DCL quests. 

 

10 minutes ago, Zaflis said:

Yes she is, but remember you still need to go and fetch a key for her restraints. She isn't supposed to get free right when you meet and first talk to her. You never mentioned that you did that part.

 

Yep, sorry. I did get the key and she was still equipped with the chains anyway. It was unexpected, but I assumed they'd be removed when the Dollmaker removed the shipment devices at the end of Courier in Chains.

 

12 minutes ago, Zaflis said:

But there is also the chance that your script load or mod conflict is preventing DCL from working right. Skyrim can be very delicate in that way.

 

No way in hell. I'm familiar enough with Skyrim modding to go into mods and remove broken elements, add ones I wish they had, and remove dev notes which cause papyrus spam. I have a low script load. Script load is mostly due to having too many SL mods and overhaul mods like Frostfall and such. I run about a dozen low-impact SL mods, about 3-6 high impact SL mods, and no overhaul mods for zero stack-dumps. I hate stack-dumps.

 

Honestly, the prisoner chains being stuck on Chloe triggered the "Waaaiiit a moment..." response immediately, but the lack of papyrus log activity and general lack of any other weirdness kept me from immediately reloading a save prior to entering the Helgen keep. That's why I called it a semi-bug report - it's like Skyrim just decided to break for no real reason, which isn't exactly unusual, even in vanilla. Sometimes quests just fail for... reasons.

 

I'm not upset, I'm just putting the report out there in case other people start having the same thing happen, in which case Kimy will want to take a look. 

[hungvipbcsok]

5 hours ago, HeDead said:

One thing I'm curious about is whether or not we'll get a heavy blindfold item to match with the Heavy Gag Harness and Heavy Collar that are used to comprise the Veil, The Silencer and The Choker. I just found it a little bit odd that those two have a "normal" variant of gag whereas The Veil is the only iteration.

these item are lacking some tag that make it impossible to unequip with script command. You should spawn the key and unlock it manually. Which key I don't remember.

[Elsidia]

2 hours ago, SkyAddiction said:

they'd be removed when the Dollmaker removed the shipment devices at the end of Courier in Chains.

Prisoner chains never removed from Chloe even in DCL 8.5 Dollmaker GIVE you key and you can decide left chains on Chole as punishment or remove.

And you do it manually through Chloe inventory

Edited January 23, 2022 by Elsidia

[Elsidia]

2 hours ago, SkyAddiction said:

Yes, but with 9.0 the Exotic Rubber item drops in the first ornate chest you open.

Yes then you open the ornate chest what is illegal target for quest item. Or your quest stage is not for chest open.

[Slytherite]

I have all the required mods, but whenever I install DCL, the game crashes after the Bethesda logo

[Taki17]

1 minute ago, Slytherite said:

the game crashes after the Bethesda logo

That does sound suspiciously like a missing master file to one of your mods.

[Slytherite]

hm, I guess its missing Devious Devices - Contraptions, strange. That wasn't listed in the main page of required mods.

[SkyAddiction]

2 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Prisoner chains never removed from Chloe even in DCL 8.5 Dollmaker GIVE you key and you can decide left chains on Chole as punishment or remove.

And you do it manually through Chloe inventory

 

The chains you're thinking of are equipped during Courier in Chains. You unequip them after completing the quest. The chains I'm talking about were equipped immediately after releasing Chloe from the furniture in Helgen. Chloe exited the furniture when released, then immediately reentered the furniture, then exited with chains equipped. That's not a behavior I've ever seen, and I've played through the Chloe quest several times post-DCL 9.0. Read what I wrote.

 

2 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Yes then you open the ornate chest what is illegal target for quest item. Or your quest stage is not for chest open.

 

Yeah, if you were to open one placed by another mod. Vanilla chests are valid for Supply and Demand. I'm also well aware you have to talk to Vekel for the Exotic Rubber item to drop in ornate chests.

[Rob_J]

Question about gagged dialog. In older versions if you asked people for help with a gag they could respond "these amateurs didn't even tie your hands" and put on a yolk or armbinder. Or ask for help about an armbinder and they'd ask if you were having fun and add extra things like a blindfold, gag, tighten the armbinder to an elbowbinder. What happened to that? seems to be gone. I've looked in tes5edit and the dialog is still in there but just doesn't happen in game anymore

[Taki17]

3 minutes ago, Slytherite said:

hm, I guess its missing Devious Devices - Contraptions, strange. That wasn't listed in the main page of required mods.

It installs as part of DD from v5.0 onwards and you can't do nothing about it, so if it isn't there, chances are you are using an outdated DD version. Even so, make sure you are not still on DD4.3 or something, since DD5-based mods like this or LBS won't work anymore.

[Elsidia]

13 minutes ago, SkyAddiction said:

Vanilla chests are valid for Supply and Demand.

Wrong:

Spoiler

This ornate chest what i discover is illegal target for quest item and there never will spawn it.  This is vanilla chest, and this is because it's outside of dungeon. DCL checks if it's ornate quest and location have dungeon keyword on.

 

Can you provide ID of chains?

Without it i can assume only that those chains are from DDC and can be removed by target Chloe with cursor and pres key "PgUp".

 

[Elsidia]

22 minutes ago, Rob_J said:

I've looked in tes5edit and the dialog is still in there but just doesn't happen in game anymore

If this dialogue are from DD quests then this is disabled a long time ago. Instead of that dialogues provide from another mods. And in what mod you find those dialogues? I never seen those.

[ChandraArgentis]

13 hours ago, MaxRenRez said:

I have a question. Does anyone else have a problem with things like piercings not getting removed, even with the tool or the free me screen? I completed the LEON quest, but when he took everything off my character, they didn't come out. 

 

In particular, it's the Obsidian Piercings. None of them come out, despite anything I may do.

 

Obsidian Piercings are obtained via the Leon questline and can only be removed by them.

[ChandraArgentis]

Found another bug with DCL.  I've tested it with two saves.
 

Wearing the full set of The Bound Queen's gear disables a lot of DCL/DD functionality. 

• If you happened to have plugs/piercings inserted prior to putting all the gear on, they frequently will fail to trigger. 
• You can run with the slave boots without them shocking you.
• The collar shocks you for wearing clothing (may be intended).
• If you are wearing rubber gloves, no one ever tries to lock them while you are wearing this gear.
• The slave gag doesn't auto-plug while wearing this gear.
• All armor has it's armor values removed while wearing this gear (may be intended).

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, ChandraArgentis said:

You can run with the slave boots without them shocking you.

Wrong. You are shocked when run into Shock boots

1 hour ago, ChandraArgentis said:

If you happened to have plugs/piercings inserted prior to putting all the gear on, they frequently will fail to trigger. 

Sarah quest was designed if you have on DD items it's not found last piece of Sarah set and not trigger a quest next stage.

if you have inside those items you triggered next stage in illegal way.

1 hour ago, ChandraArgentis said:

All armor has it's armor values removed while wearing this gear (may be intended).

vanilla Skyrim bug. If armor class is too big it's shows as zero. Somewhere was mod was fix it. When you wear Sarah collar it's add many armor class to survive naked - because all other AC shows zero.

 

1 hour ago, ChandraArgentis said:

The slave gag doesn't auto-plug while wearing this gear.

Wrong. I just test this and Slave gag re-inflated after 13 hours.

 

1 hour ago, ChandraArgentis said:

If you are wearing rubber gloves, no one ever tries to lock them while you are wearing this gear.

While quest running most of DCL events is disabled: rape, solicitation and locking is solicitation

 

1 hour ago, ChandraArgentis said:

The collar shocks you for wearing clothing (may be intended).

This collar is designed to walk without clothes or will be shocked

 

All my words I test now on DD 5.1, DCL 9.0

[Zaflis]

19 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Prisoner chains never removed from Chloe even in DCL 8.5 Dollmaker GIVE you key and you can decide left chains on Chole as punishment or remove.

And you do it manually through Chloe inventory

To reduce confusion, Dollmaker does remove prisoner chains during Chloe quest. But they are equipped by Nazeem later on. Chloe (and you) were without restraints before that.

 

Regards to the bug, it did indeed sound more like the chains are part of the furniture and not any equippable item. But not enough info anyways... And i don't assume it has happened to anyone else.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Zaflis

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, Zaflis said:

And i don't assume it has happened to anyone else.

For me only bug in DCL 9.0 was (see my own eyes) then after release a Chloe she continue walk with furniture on. And i see another reports of this too. But this not always sometimes script goes wrong, sometimes as need.

[shiagwen]

Any update ?

[Kimy]

2 hours ago, shiagwen said:

Any update ?

 

I am still working on DD 5.2, which is currently in public beta. Once that's released, I will work on a new DCL release.

[shiagwen]

37 minutes ago, Kimy said:

 

I am still working on DD 5.2, which is currently in public beta. Once that's released, I will work on a new DCL release.

Can i get the public beta please ?