SexCrime

[leechlord]

Version 0.2 is live!

 

For the users, it now considers all interior cells to be private. You won't get reported for sex crimes within them anymore. Hopefully this quick-and-dirty fix will tide you over until an advanced system can be implemented. Remember: if you can see the sky, sex crimes won't fly!

 

It also includes a bunch of APIs for modders.

 

Thanks for that information, WaxenFigure. That was very clear and useful, and helps me out with this framwork as well as another mod I'm working on.

 

 

Actually this might be a conflict with Sands of Time mod as I did do some more testing and most of the time the partner doesn't seem to report the crime.

 

I can't confirm this though but one time in a cave with just my one follower I got reported for Sex and a 500 gold bounty and all I could find around was a little rat added by Sands of Time. Still for now based on how indiscriminant this mod seems to be on what it considers a public area it will be removed from my load order but I love the concept.   

 

 

In that case, I think the issue is probably that the rat is indeed reporting you! I'll make my reporting criteria much stricter for the next release, but until then your problem should be resolved by the stopgap public-area detection system the framework now uses.

[Sneaksmile]

Hello, I have 2 questions?  ...  no problem if PO it's installed ?  and  work with any version of SexLab?

 

Thanks  ...  also maybe you can upload some pics of the mod? 

[leechlord]

Hello, I have 2 questions?  ...  no problem if PO it's installed ?  and  work with any version of SexLab?

 

Thanks  ...  also maybe you can upload some pics of the mod? 

 

At the moment I expect that the player will rack up a very high bounty whilst out in the pillory for Prison Overhaul. If you go into the SexCrime MCM menu and disable the framework when you get arrested and reactivate it once you're released that there are no problems.

 

I have only tested the framework with the latest version of SexLab. I don't know if it works with others.

 

I'm not sure what pictures you would want to see from this mod. It doesn't really add anything visual to the game.

[afa]

It seems like followers will try to report, but it doesn't really add bounty to any Hold? Which is fine I guess

Tested using custom followers and with AFT.

[Sun Shang Xiang]

 

Hello, I have 2 questions?  ...  no problem if PO it's installed ?  and  work with any version of SexLab?

 

Thanks  ...  also maybe you can upload some pics of the mod? 

 

At the moment I expect that the player will rack up a very high bounty whilst out in the pillory for Prison Overhaul. If you go into the SexCrime MCM menu and disable the framework when you get arrested and reactivate it once you're released that there are no problems.

 

I have only tested the framework with the latest version of SexLab. I don't know if it works with others.

 

I'm not sure what pictures you would want to see from this mod. It doesn't really add anything visual to the game.

 

Well, instead of doing deactivate/reactivate of the mod, you could (somehow) make the mod "aware" that you are in jail. Not sure how would you do that, but it's a good idea.

 

As well, I received a bounty while walking naked through Karthspire camp. Okay, I *was* fighting some Forsworn, but why would they even report me if they themselves are outlaws? True, it didn't say to *which* hold the bounty was added, it merely said: "10 Bounty added to            ".    Add to that that I was *alone* (no followers or anything, except those *enemy* Forsworn) and the question arises: who reported me in the first place?

[Recoilsuave]

I'm getting the same thing with bounties being reported by that aren't associated with the hold that I'm in. Or any hold, it just shows as blank. Is that intended, an oversight, or a bug? A follower was around while my character was having sex with a guard. So I'm assuming she reported the crime. Is there any way to make it so followers don't report the PC while following them?

[leechlord]

I'm getting the same thing with bounties being reported by that aren't associated with the hold that I'm in. Or any hold, it just shows as blank. Is that intended, an oversight, or a bug? A follower was around while my character was having sex with a guard. So I'm assuming she reported the crime. Is there any way to make it so followers don't report the PC while following them?

 

That's a bug. I will try to refine the reporting eligibility criteria for the next release so that only citizens and guards can report the player, not random unaligned bandits, forsworn, etc.

 

With the current release it isn't possible for a user to make their followers Safe to be around. Modders can make this happen with the APIs, but not users. I'll also try to get a solution for this working for the next release.

[leechlord]

 

Well, instead of doing deactivate/reactivate of the mod, you could (somehow) make the mod "aware" that you are in jail. Not sure how would you do that, but it's a good idea.

 

 

v0.2 won't report you whilst you are in an interior cell, so the time spent in jail isn't an issue. The issue is the time spent in the pillory being abused by the public.

[leechlord]

Version 0.3 is live!

 

SexCrime will no longer allow the player's followers to report her for sexcrimes. This will become optional in a future release.

 

SexCrime's crime detection scanner has been improved. Hopefully the player will only be reported by guards and citizens now: no bandits, forsworn, or other weirdness.

 

A bunch of potential bugs and conflicts were fixed. Unfortunately, the fix requires you to revert to a savefile before SexCrime. Don't install version 0.3 over the top of 0.1 or 0.2. I apologise for my incompetence and will try my best to avoid making this mistake again.

[Tensu_Makadi]

hmm I'm kind of liking the fast updates but don't burn yourself out...

[bahamut2119]

Love this idea good luck with the mod im personally following it and will probably grab it sooner or later im reinstalling my game again and changing my mod list up so right now I wont grab this but If I find I have a few extra slots then I just might.

[Zydar]

I'm guessing the new update will not be compatible for saves that has the 0.2 version then?  Even when I deactivate the mod via MCM, save then reload the game without the mod in my load order and save again?

[leechlord]

I'm guessing the new update will not be compatible for saves that has the 0.2 version then?  Even when I deactivate the mod via MCM, save then reload the game without the mod in my load order and save again?

 

I'm no expert -- it could work, but I'm not sure how Skyrim handles such things. As a safety I'm going to say no, but you are welcome to try.

 

Having said that, the issue with overwriting an old install of 0.2 is that the script that notices when the player equips or unequips armor would now be called twice for each time this event occurs. This *probably* won't cause you any actual issues. 

 

As far as bug-squashing / error reporting goes, if I can't repeat a bug reported from a 0.2 -> 0.3 upgrade install with an fresh 0.3 install then I'm not going to go out of my way to deal with it.

 

If you do try and everything seems to work alright then please let us know!

[D_ManXX2]

So it take it in this current state this mod is incompatible with many mods ?? like slaverun, defeat submit etc..

[tarl7]

Tested this seems to work fine so far. Each time you undress and dress you get a fine. For instance if you stand in front of a gaurd and dress and undress you get an additional fine each time, don't know if that is intentional or not.  If npc actions are added that will add alot to this. so far great job the options are well done.

 

I can see some possible conflicts with prison overhaul, and also the mod spectator crowds that has the gaurds run up and stop public sex if the morality option is checked.

[leechlord]

So it take it in this current state this mod is incompatible with many mods ?? like slaverun, defeat submit etc..

 

It shouldn't cause any crashes or glitches, but unless a mod explicitly integrates itself into this framework then you may end up receiving a whole bunch of fines outside of your control. 

 

Tested this seems to work fine so far. Each time you undress and dress you get a fine. For instance if you stand in front of a gaurd and dress and undress you get an additional fine each time, don't know if that is intentional or not.  If npc actions are added that will add alot to this. so far great job the options are well done.

 

I can see some possible conflicts with prison overhaul, and also the mod spectator crowds that has the gaurds run up and stop public sex if the morality option is checked.

 

Regarding undressing:

With all of the other crimes it was pretty easy to say that a player should only get fined once per sex animation. With nudity the rules are less easy to define. Does it make sense that the player received a fine every few seconds until they cover up? Does it make sense that they get fined once, but can then continue to run around Skyrim in the buff without any consequences for ever?

I decided that the best system was to prevent the player being reported for nudity if they have already been reported in the last game-hour, unless they have covered up since then and become naked again. If you have strong feelings about how you think it should work then feel free to make a suggestion. If you convince me that your idea makes more sense then I'll be happy to change the algorithm.

 

Regarding incompatibilities:

Yeah, until modders begin integrating SexCrime into their mods there may be many incompatibilities. For now the best you can do it open up the MCM when you expect to see conflicting content and disable the relevant scanners. I've sent xaz a message offering to alter the source code of Prison Overhaul personally, so that it is properly integrated. If my APIs work like expected then it should be possible for me to make Prison Overhaul compatible in a matter of minutes, but I won't alter xaz's code unless he gives me permission to do so.

[D_ManXX2]

yes probably submit since got his own crime identifier when sex is visible for guards. But it can still be turned off in mcm.

[leechlord]

For anyone who is interested in a hold-by-hold customization system, I have a little questionnaire for you regarding what you think should be hold-by-hold and what can be global. I can theoretically make everything hold-by-hold, but the more stuff that stays global, the simpler the UI. I think it is important that as much stay global as possible to prevent setup and customization from becoming a headache for the user.

 

For each of the questions below, please provide a yes/no answer, then feel free to make suggestions or state how important you feel that point is to you.

 

1) Do you think crime severity should be adjustable on a hold-by-hold basis? (eg: allow user to make nudity fine in riften but misdemeanour in solitude)

 

2) Do you think the bounty for each crime severity level should be adjustable on a hold-by-hold basis? (eg. allow user to make nudity misdemeanour fine cost 10 gold in whiterun but 100 gold in windhelm)

 

3) Do you think the definition of nudity should be adjustable on a hold-by-hold basis? (eg. allow user to make exposed breasts illegal in winterhold, but ok in riften, so long as the crotch is covered)

 

4) I'm considering adding in functionality so that the player can make certain actions crimes without making them something that the citizens actually care about. Specifically, they could choose whether any citizen would report the player for the crime, or if only guards would bother. Should this be adjustable on a hold-by-hold basis? (eg. player can set it so that citizens in dawnstar don't care about your homosexuality, but the guards will still be forced to report you. Go to Solitude, however, and every citizen is a homophobe.)

 

5) I plan on dramatically enhancing the framework's definition of a 'public area'. The plan is to make it so that All exterior cells that are in or near a city or town will be public. All interior cells will be private by default, but users will be able to set the following interiors as public:

• Castles / Palaces / Places where Jarls live.
• Barracks / Forts / Military Camps.
• Temples.
• Guild Halls.
• Inns / Taverns.
• Shops

Should these be adjustable on a hold-by-hold basis? (eg. user can make it so that sex is perfectly acceptable in Inns / Taverns in Solitude whilst keeping it illegal in Whiterun's Inns / Taverns)

 

I welcome any further miscellaneous suggestions or comments.

[xboronx]

Tried your mod yesterday, very detailed MCM so far, nice work. Now to the questions:

 

1) Yes.

Because the holds are very different, especially with mods like slaverun. So in most holds i would make nudity an offense, whereas in slaverun forbid homosexuality but allow rape etc. etc..

 

2) Yes.

Lots of additional roleplaying opportunities. Slaverun can be turned into a real hell this way, in Falkreath i would do because of Siddgeir similiar, but at a tamer level etc.

 

3) Yes.

Allows roleplaying spreading of hostilities very nicely. Slaverun and Falkreath would be worst in my personal settings, Riften, Markath and Windhelm middle and the rest tame.

 

4)Yes.

Riften and Falkreath would be very corrupt in my personal setup then, and on the other holds i would customize it depending on my civil war faction and player race.

 

5)Yes again.

The dibella temple would allow all forms of sex e.g.,  while in all others it would be restrictive. So a hold based setting again allows for perfect flexibility.

 

 

Summary: Everything hold based is a lot of work, for you and for the users to adjust, but this would be a dream for me, since every hold could be personalized to my own taste.

 

 

 

Further suggestions:

-Add a MCM toggle to toggle the settings for all holds or hold specific. So users like me who love to finetune everything can do so, while users who don't can set everything once and apply it to all holds.

-Can you add customization per race? This way you can nicely roleplay the civil war, for example make very discriminating laws for argonians, khajiits and dunmer in windhelm, nords in solitude etc. .

-Make wearing clothes also a crime. So if i join the thieves guild and try to establish it in Skyrim i can roleplay then that the guards enforce a nudity law for outsiders to combat crime, similiar for dark brotherhood to make hiding weapons more difficult.

-Make wearing no slave items a crime. So you could force players that they need to wear a gag, armbinder/cuffs and a blindfold to be allowed to enter a hold. Would be very handy for extremely corrupt and misognystic holds like falkreath or slaverun.

-Make wearing a chastity belt a crime. Would also be very handy for extremely corrupt and misognystic holds like falkreath or slaverun.

[leechlord]

Tried your mod yesterday, very detailed MCM so far, nice work. Now to the questions:

 

Summary: Everything hold based is a lot of work, for you and for the users to adjust, but this would be a dream for me, since every hold could be personalized to my own taste.

 

Thanks for your response! 

 

Further suggestions:

-Add a MCM toggle to toggle the settings for all holds or hold specific. So users like me who love to finetune everything can do so, while users who don't can set everything once and apply it to all holds.

 

I will probably do this.

 

-Can you add customization per race? This way you can nicely roleplay the civil war, for example make very discriminating laws for argonians, khajiits and dunmer in windhelm, nords in solitude etc. .

 

For the forseeable future, this framework will apply to the player character only, so this idea is entirely unnecessary. It is a long-term goal to somehow extend the functionality to make it feel like the laws apply to civilians and followers, but I've not even begun thinking about how I plan to deal with this -- the amount of work required is daunting. I might revisit this specific idea down the road, but for now I'm going to shelf it.

 

You have just given me an idea for another scanner though: make it a crime to have interracial sex, or make it a crime to have sex with one or more specific race(s). I might implement this depending on how much interest it gets.

 

-Make wearing clothes also a crime. So if i join the thieves guild and try to establish it in Skyrim i can roleplay then that the guards enforce a nudity law for outsiders to combat crime, similiar for dark brotherhood to make hiding weapons more difficult.

 

"Make wearing clothes a crime" -- I've seen this suggestion before, and I am torn on the issue. It wouldn't be difficult to implement a scanner that checks for clothedness, but at this stage I wonder if the SexCrime framework should only concern itself with real-life crimes. I might implement this at some stage. Even if I don't implement this as an obvious part of SexCrime, if a modder working on something that requires it -- such as Slaverun -- were to specifically request the feature, then I would probably work towards a good compromise.

 

Actually, my main issue with this feature isn't that it's not 'realistic' (fuck realism), it's that a law should be applied to all of the Jarl's subjects. Even though this framework doesn't explicitly effect civilians, it is easy to imagine that they would be punished if they just went around fucking in the middle of the street. As soon as you make it illegal to be naked then you have to start wondering why none of the other citizens seem to care about the law.

 

Once again: if this feature is requested enough, or specifically requested by a modder for use in their project, I'll do it. Until then I'm not really interested.

 

-Make wearing no slave items a crime. So you could force players that they need to wear a gag, armbinder/cuffs and a blindfold to be allowed to enter a hold. Would be very handy for extremely corrupt and misognystic holds like falkreath or slaverun.

-Make wearing a chastity belt a crime. Would also be very handy for extremely corrupt and misognystic holds like falkreath or slaverun.

 

I have similar objections to these as I did to enforced nudity -- which is to say that my gut reaction is to say no, but it wouldn't take much for me to change my mind. In addition to those objections, I don't want to make devious devices (or whatever) a requirement for installing this framework, so I'd need to come up with some work around.

 

Don't be disheartened by this though: I should be able to create an API and a custom clothing tag that other modders can use to create this law for themselves.

[Sun Shang Xiang]

From myself regarding those questions:

 

1)Yes.

 

While Riften is the seat of the Thieves Guild, Solitude is the throne of the High King. So of course there will be differences in opinions. Riften, Falkreath and Dawnstar would have the highest tolerance to devious behavior. Markarth would be second, and at the last place would undoubtedly be Windhelm and Solitude, being Ysgramor's and Hing King's thrones respectively. For the others, by your choosing.

 

2)Yes.

 

Each hold is unique. For instance, in Slaverun you have slaves that are forced to do all kinds of sexual behavior. So while there even rape would be considered only a misdemeanor(hells, it may even be encouraged to "punish" those slaves), and charged very little, in Solitude would rape land you in prison with 1000 septims bounty.

 

3)Yes.

 

Imperial Riften officials can be so corrupt, they could be an example for Tyber Zann how corrupt can a person get. On the other hand, Windhelm and Solitude officials would frown on even the slightest sign of nakedness.

 

4)Uncertain how should I answer this question. If you ask whether there is a "crime" that should not be considered crime, then a firm "no". A crime is a crime, there is no middle ground about it.

 

5)Yes and No.

 

If you are in an inn/tavern in whichever hold, and there are people about, that should be considered a public area. However, you could add that a crime requires LoS. If you are upstairs in an inn, and there is no one around to see you fuck someone, then you would get away with raping/fucking/whatever you were doing. No witnesses, no crime. Simple as that. Of course, like xboronx said, Temple of Dibella would support all kinds of sexual behavior, so even if a guard sees you in a Temple of Dibella fucking someone, he would walk by like you are not even there. In that regard, Mara would allow marital sex in her temple(fucking your spouse on your wedding day), while the other seven Divines would not be so forgiving.

 

@xboronx: Regarding those suggestions you made:

Third, fourth and fifth suggestion make absolutely no sense whatsoever. If you wear clothes, it is a crime. If you are naked, it is a crime. *Then what should I do to not land in jail?!?!* As for the fourth and fifth: You have to wear a harness, which is a slave item. However, if you wear a harness, you are also wearing a chastity belt. You can't have both. Either make one or the other. Yeah, me telling someone to decide. Oh, the irony.........

[leechlord]

 

4)Uncertain how should I answer this question. If you ask whether there is a "crime" that should not be considered crime, then a firm "no". A crime is a crime, there is no middle ground about it.

 

What I'm saying isn't about whether there should be crimes that aren't crimes. What I'm saying is that some crimes (eg. software piracy) are technically illegal, but not something the average citizen will report you for. What I'm offering is the ability to say: you know, maybe the Jarl of Winterhold is a homophobic bigot who has decided that homosexuality is a serious crime, all of his guards will dutifully report the player for this crime if they see it, but maybe the average citizens of Winterhold actually couldn't care less, and wouldn't report you on the basis of homosexuality.

 

Other crimes (like theft) will generally be reported by anyone who witnesses it.

 

5)Yes and No.

 

If you are in an inn/tavern in whichever hold, and there are people about, that should be considered a public area. However, you could add that a crime requires LoS. If you are upstairs in an inn, and there is no one around to see you fuck someone, then you would get away with raping/fucking/whatever you were doing. No witnesses, no crime. Simple as that. Of course, like xboronx said, Temple of Dibella would support all kinds of sexual behavior, so even if a guard sees you in a Temple of Dibella fucking someone, he would walk by like you are not even there. In that regard, Mara would allow marital sex in her temple(fucking your spouse on your wedding day), while the other seven Divines would not be so forgiving.

 

The witness searching script already checks for standard detection, which required LOS.

 

@xboronx: Regarding those suggestions you made:

Third, fourth and fifth suggestion make absolutely no sense whatsoever. If you wear clothes, it is a crime. If you are naked, it is a crime. *Then what should I do to not land in jail?!?!* As for the fourth and fifth: You have to wear a harness, which is a slave item. However, if you wear a harness, you are also wearing a chastity belt. You can't have both. Either make one or the other. Yeah, me telling someone to decide. Oh, the irony.........

 

I think you might be misunderstanding what this framework is slightly. The point of this framework is to allow the player to customize how they think the world should work to their own ideas. Just because the framework offers a whole bunch of things that might be crimes doesn't necessarily mean that they should all be illegal at the same time. Some mods want to change the game to make the player a sex slave that is legally required to obey her master, which may include being naked or wearing slave clothing.

 

I do have some hesitation about including fundamentally opposite crimes in the MCM, but only because I don't want a new user to set up a system that is retarded and then get fed up with the mod.

[Sun Shang Xiang]

 

 

What I'm saying isn't about whether there should be crimes that aren't crimes. What I'm saying is that some crimes (eg. software piracy) are technically illegal, but not something the average citizen will report you for. What I'm offering is the ability to say: you know, maybe the Jarl of Winterhold is a homophobic bigot who has decided that homosexuality is a serious crime, all of his guards will dutifully report the player for this crime if they see it, but maybe the average citizens of Winterhold actually couldn't care less, and wouldn't report you on the basis of homosexuality.

 

Other crimes (like theft) will generally be reported by anyone who witnesses it.

 

 

I think you might be misunderstanding what this framework is slightly. The point of this framework is to allow the player to customize how they think the world should work to their own ideas. Just because the framework offers a whole bunch of things that might be crimes doesn't necessarily mean that they should all be illegal at the same time. Some mods want to change the game to make the player a sex slave that is legally required to obey her master, which may include being naked or wearing slave clothing.

 

I do have some hesitation about including fundamentally opposite crimes in the MCM, but only because I don't want a new user to set up a system that is retarded and then get fed up with the mod.

 

Ah. Although this crime of homosexuality in Winterhold is a bit puzzling, I understand the point. As for the other... Well, that would be the point in making an MCM menu for customization. Of course, if the PC is a slave herself, then it should be a requirement that she is naked and wearing slave item(s), otherwise she will be considered a runaway slave and either put in a pillory, prison, sold to a slave merchant, brought to her master/mistress or some other similar fate.

[idonotlikeusernames]

"Make wearing clothes a crime" -- I've seen this suggestion before, and I am torn on the issue. It wouldn't be difficult to implement a scanner that checks for clothedness, but at this stage I wonder if the SexCrime framework should only concern itself with real-life crimes. I might implement this at some stage. Even if I don't implement this as an obvious part of SexCrime, if a modder working on something that requires it -- such as Slaverun -- were to specifically request the feature, then I would probably work towards a good compromise.

 

I agree that even if this was implemented I wouldn't use it for any of the vanilla towns and villages but I think it would be perfect for a place like Slavetown were it could be illegal for a slave to be clothed or at least to wear something other then rags but the again I have no idea what the author of that mod has planned for it's future. And if beyond Tamriel ever gets to that point I could see certain cities in Hammerfell (where the climate is more amenable to it) requiring nudity for non-resident elves of both genders after the wars they just fought.

 

As for your questionairre:

 

1) Yes, different Jarls different rules

 

2) Yes, same reason as for one. I personally envision cash strapped Winterhold and corrupt Riften would have the highest fines (for all crimes really not just the sex ones) followed by Markarth, Windhelm and Dawnstar with Solitude and Whiterun (at least under Balgruuf) being more lenient.

 

3) This would be nice to have but if it's causing you an inordinate amount of extra work I'd say leave it since this one's not vital for me.

 

4) Yes, mostly for what I have in mind for Solitude, Elisif and the Imperial guards are imho far more concerned with morality than the citizens who wouldn't report you for nudity. It would be super awesome if you could split this even further for Windhelm with most Argonians and Dark Elves not caring a whit about Ulfric's morality laws whereas most Nords in the city do.

 

5) Same as 3, if this would add to much to your workload I say leave it be for now, otherwise this would be nice to have.

 

 

[xboronx]

-Can you add customization per race? This way you can nicely roleplay the civil war, for example make very discriminating laws for argonians, khajiits and dunmer in windhelm, nords in solitude etc. .

 

For the forseeable future, this framework will apply to the player character only, so this idea is entirely unnecessary. It is a long-term goal to somehow extend the functionality to make it feel like the laws apply to civilians and followers, but I've not even begun thinking about how I plan to deal with this -- the amount of work required is daunting. I might revisit this specific idea down the road, but for now I'm going to shelf it.

 

You have just given me an idea for another scanner though: make it a crime to have interracial sex, or make it a crime to have sex with one or more specific race(s). I might implement this depending on how much interest it gets.

 

That's exactly what i meant. I've always dreamed to roleplay that Rolff Stone-Fist managed to persuade Ulfric for racial laws to his liking. So if you would prostitute in Windhelm if you take argonian or dunmer clients this is seen as a crime.

 

 

 

-Make wearing clothes also a crime. So if i join the thieves guild and try to establish it in Skyrim i can roleplay then that the guards enforce a nudity law for outsiders to combat crime, similiar for dark brotherhood to make hiding weapons more difficult.

 

"Make wearing clothes a crime" -- I've seen this suggestion before, and I am torn on the issue. It wouldn't be difficult to implement a scanner that checks for clothedness, but at this stage I wonder if the SexCrime framework should only concern itself with real-life crimes. I might implement this at some stage. Even if I don't implement this as an obvious part of SexCrime, if a modder working on something that requires it -- such as Slaverun -- were to specifically request the feature, then I would probably work towards a good compromise.

 

Actually, my main issue with this feature isn't that it's not 'realistic' (fuck realism), it's that a law should be applied to all of the Jarl's subjects. Even though this framework doesn't explicitly effect civilians, it is easy to imagine that they would be punished if they just went around fucking in the middle of the street. As soon as you make it illegal to be naked then you have to start wondering why none of the other citizens seem to care about the law.

 

Once again: if this feature is requested enough, or specifically requested by a modder for use in their project, I'll do it. Until then I'm not really interested.

 

I didn't write it but always assumed that the framework should also be for NPCs in future versions. You could contact Waxenfigure, his Slaverun enforcer mod does exactly this in a very nice way, but it is limited to Whiterun, and these laws would be too harsh for all holds.

 

I wouldn't even call the laws unrealistic, some would just be modern and some ancient. This way some of my holds would have modern laws, while others would have very discriminating ones for a society with much slavery like ancient roman or persian societies or in some kind of dictatorship like north korea.

 

But don't worry, i am happy with everything you make, just love to discuss and suggest.

 

 

-Make wearing no slave items a crime. So you could force players that they need to wear a gag, armbinder/cuffs and a blindfold to be allowed to enter a hold. Would be very handy for extremely corrupt and misognystic holds like falkreath or slaverun.

-Make wearing a chastity belt a crime. Would also be very handy for extremely corrupt and misognystic holds like falkreath or slaverun.

 

I have similar objections to these as I did to enforced nudity -- which is to say that my gut reaction is to say no, but it wouldn't take much for me to change my mind. In addition to those objections, I don't want to make devious devices (or whatever) a requirement for installing this framework, so I'd need to come up with some work around.

 

Don't be disheartened by this though: I should be able to create an API and a custom clothing tag that other modders can use to create this law for themselves.

 

 

As above, don't worry. I just liked the really hostile feel for female players with the legion in Fallout NV with msex fort and tryout too much and would have liked to give some holds in Skyrim such a feel. But Slaverun already does much of this.

With such mean laws like enforced nudity, bondage wear and no chastity belts i wanted to ensure that entering some holds is actually almost more dangerous than exploring dungeons.

 

 

@xboronx: Regarding those suggestions you made:

Third, fourth and fifth suggestion make absolutely no sense whatsoever. If you wear clothes, it is a crime. If you are naked, it is a crime. *Then what should I do to not land in jail?!?!* As for the fourth and fifth: You have to wear a harness, which is a slave item. However, if you wear a harness, you are also wearing a chastity belt. You can't have both. Either make one or the other. Yeah, me telling someone to decide. Oh, the irony.........

 

Leechlord already explained it somewhat.

With a hold to hold basis this way in one hold i would have made normal laws, but in a corrupt and decadent law like falkreath i would have made the law that you have to be always stripped, in bondage gear and without a chastity belt so that Siddgeir and his soldiers can rape you as much as they want. So going to this hold would be horrible then, the laws would force you to get raped anyway.