Private Needs Discreet

[lhalorellon]

Patch 1.7.2 I hope will bring some wanted fixes. It's not a big hard package under your tree, but more like soft wooly socks that will make you all warm and comfy inside. Decal testing is still underway, but SAM and SOS are now better supported.

 

I also read into the blue swirlie issue and while I could not reproduce it myself I enabled "no hit effect" on the cloak magic fx which may help but I cannot tell without finding the swirl myself. I bumped my level to 14 and went to Bannered Mare, and there Sam Guevenne was without the swirl. I had STEP + REGS + SOS/SAM + SL modlist, so I would really need your modlist to get swirl on my end.

 

 

 

* Being able to select what animations the npc's use via a tickbox selection like sexlab uses for its animations.

 

* Having some kind of notification that only shows up when your follower is peeing. The issue with the current debug is it scans every actor and floods the top left. So like the debug but just for the follower/npc that actually gets told to animate.

 

* The follower will not start peeing if she is even slightly far away. It said she was too far away despite only being about 100 feet away or so. I realise you set this for when its meant for all npcs to not cause script lag. Could you possible make the range of the effect a slider so we can alter it? I only have it on my one follower so I can increase the range by a lot and not suffer any issues as it is only effecting her.

 

In this patch there is a new menu for animations, but so far both the player and NPCs use the same animation. Sorry, but either this way or postpone the release after the holidays. Notifications should not flood your top left corner with the follower check box ticked. Also the distance has been doubled for all NPCs and almost tripled for followers and allies. Hope you like it.

 

PS. now that I'm writing this and already updated the patch I realise there is still the drop-down animation menu for defecation in the MCM, along with the new check-box based selection. The drop-down does not work anymore, I'll remove it in the next update.

 

 

* I've had an issue where sometimes It will say in the debug that my follower needs to pee, she will then stop and then continue to follow. It gives me the Debug message with my follower name and waiting another 60 seconds. I'm not in combat or anything so I assume it is to do with me continuing to move and my follower trying to follow? Might want to anchor them or something with a script.

 

Yes, well, now I changed it a little bit, by disabling NPC AI during the animations.

 

 

 

Other than these two issues and the features I asked about this mod is running great I am loving it. It has completely replaced NPC private needs for me on this play through and I will not be going back. Keep up the good work!

 

That's so great to hear and I hope this patch will make this even better. Happy holidays and enjoy.

 

 

 

From what i have tested the schlong don't go up when peeing. Is it intended or not implemented yet?

 

SAM and SOS users, well, this I hope is the best release to date for you, please upgrade.

Both want to strip you so unfortunately you lose all your clothing, please let me know if this is unwanted, maybe there is an alternative.

 

 

oh...i see in  ZAZ an option  to enable or disable the scripts for ZAZ mod itself. can i disable the ZAZ scripts or do i need them enabled for PND mod?

 

ZaZ animation pack is not required but does not conflict if installed, so either way is fine.

 

 

 

And don't forget to make yellow snow!

 

Will try!!!

[Deathmaw]

Ok got a problem with the latest version. I am assuming it is to do with your AI changes. When my follower goes to pee she freezes in whatever pose she was in. The pee puddle appears beneath her feet and when she is done she stops being a statue. She doesnt do any of the animations.

[lhalorellon]

Ok got a problem with the latest version. I am assuming it is to do with your AI changes. When my follower goes to pee she freezes in whatever pose she was in. The pee puddle appears beneath her feet and when she is done she stops being a statue. She doesnt do any of the animations.

 

Ah, dang it. I'll make a run with one of my trusted followers soon and come up with a better fix for them. :Y

 

[Deathmaw]

 

Ok got a problem with the latest version. I am assuming it is to do with your AI changes. When my follower goes to pee she freezes in whatever pose she was in. The pee puddle appears beneath her feet and when she is done she stops being a statue. She doesnt do any of the animations.

 

Ah, dang it. I'll make a run with one of my trusted followers soon and come up with a better fix for them. :Y

 

 

 

To be honest I think the range increase will have solved the problem. The problem was it would say In debug they need to pee and then as I would continue moving they probably went out of range.

 

If I moved to far when they were doing the animation they would teleport to me still doing the animation which while immersion breaking was fine. Npc private needs also did it that way.

 

So you can probably just remove the freeze ai thing and it will be fine now due to the increased range.

[lhalorellon]

So you can probably just remove the freeze ai thing and it will be fine now due to the increased range.

Ok, I'll do some more decal testing and change this soon.

[Deathmaw]

 

So you can probably just remove the freeze ai thing and it will be fine now due to the increased range.

Ok, I'll do some more decal testing and change this soon.

 

 

Cool should I wait for you to update to continue playing? Or would just disabling the NPC feature be fine for now?

[Mookeylama]

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/788270-skyrim-perk-enhancements-and-rebalanced-gameplay/page-90&do=findComment&comment=7725638

 

there's something i ran across about blue swirls...

 

"Xarrian, the author of Requiem, posted this: "@all experiencing the blue swirl/absorb effect This most often is a mod conflict. Some mods use invisible Aura spells to detect certain things (like Cerwiden and Vilja using these to determine if someone needs healing) - If these effects are not flagged as Unabsorbable, things with Absorb Magic abilities will display this blue swirl (load order is not of any importance here (mostly), and TES5Edit and similar things will also not register this as a conflict!)"

 

maybe that'll come in handy

[lhalorellon]

Patch 1.7.3 finally resolves blue swirlies pls verify and SAM support.  Apply with v1.7.0.

 

Thanks to swift beta tester Deathmaw and Mookeylama for pointers in having the swirl fixed.

 

Giving the atronach perk to an NPC made the swirl effect appear. To make it disappear, the applying spell has to disallow absorb/reflect.

 

Follower NPCs should freeze no more. If you have Frostfall, keep them warm and fed. Merry holidays.

[Deathmaw]

Works like a charm thanks no issues to report. My follower is doing what she should be and the Debug messages only show what I want them to now so thank you for that! I like how the animations also have an ending sequence where they wipe themselves. Keep up the good work this mod just keeps getting better and better.

 

Couple of questions.

 

1. Will NPC Defecation be added at some point?

2. What are actually the differences between clean,lewd filthy etc?

3. Is there any way you could in the future add an option so that your followers will bathe when you do?

[lhalorellon]

What are actually the differences between clean,lewd filthy etc?

Location keyword checks. The first two do not P or D in cities (except respectful might still urinate in the night when they think no one is watching). Filthy and lewd have less restrictions. The more places you want to see NPCs relieve their needs, more lewdward in this scale you go.

 

 

Will NPC Defecation be added at some point?

Is there any way you could in the future add an option so that your followers will bathe when you do?

NPCs already automatically defecate if you increase the interval slider. 0 hours means the feature is off.

Or do you mean something else like NPCs using outhouses? Wouldn't that be something.

 

If you bathe, your follower (or other nearby NPC) will also bathe. They don't just do it without the player trigger. Is this fine?

[Deathmaw]

 

What are actually the differences between clean,lewd filthy etc?

Location keyword checks. The first two do not pee in cities (except respect might do that in the night when they think no one is watching. Filthy and lewd have less restrictions.

 

 

Will NPC Defecation be added at some point?

Is there any way you could in the future add an option so that your followers will bathe when you do?

NPCs already automatically defecate if you increase the interval slider. 0 hours means the feature is off. If you bathe, your follower (or other nearby NPC) will also trigger the bathing animation. They don't just auto-bathe. Is this fine?

 

 

Yeah thats fine I have defecation set at 18 and havn't had it happen yet so Ill play some more. Other than that yeah thats fine.

 

*Edit* Ok I had a go with bathing. Firstly the animation on my male dovahkin creeped me out lol so anyway you could maybe include the animation from that other mod without needing to use it?

 

It took a while for my follower to imitate me and she used the stripping preset I have set for urination not bathing. So what would be awesome is if your follower starts at the same time you do and used the same dress preset.

 

As another suggestion that might be cool if you could get permission. If you used part of the Sexlab undress animation. They could do the underwear pulling down animation before starting the other anim.

 

This mod is awesome really good job on it. I have had no issues with my follower since the update.

[germanicus]

Hi, I love the update. It seems that there is no key for NPC defecation, only urination. Or I'm missing something?!

 

Also, unfortunately, 1.7.0 + patch doesn't trigger NPC's scatting/peeing at all even when being enabled.

[germanicus]

Thanks for the answer. Also, unfortunately, 1.7.0 + patch doesn't trigger NPC's scatting/peeing at all even when being enabled and I reseted animation registry.

[lhalorellon]

Also, unfortunately, 1.7.0 + patch doesn't trigger NPC's scatting/peeing at all even when being enabled and I reseted animation registry.

Maybe you have urination also trigger in the same "turn" so to speak, and then the script will skip the defecation part.

What happens when you turn urination interval to 0?

[germanicus]

I have urination set to 2 hours, and pooping on 3 hours, The problem is, whatever hour combination I choose, NPC's (females) will only pee, but never poop. Also, I set peeing/pooping on "filthy" and the last one (can't remember the name now) so they aren't restricted by the area but, peeing is very rare and when it happens it only inside the building, never outside, unless I told them by using the key.

 

 

[jihadoftomorrow]

Is this essentially a more updated version of Private Needs?  I think that mod has been abandoned as it hasn't been updated for a long time and I'd like to make the switch to this mod.

 

Anyone who used to use Private Needs now using this? How would you compare the two?

 

Also, how are the animations in this one?

[youlou]

Is this essentially a more updated version of Private Needs?  I think that mod has been abandoned as it hasn't been updated for a long time and I'd like to make the switch to this mod.

 

Anyone who used to use Private Needs now using this? How would you compare the two?

 

Also, how are the animations in this one?

 

This mod is better but lack bladder/bowels/hygiene rate.

[lowe]

 

Is this essentially a more updated version of Private Needs?  I think that mod has been abandoned as it hasn't been updated for a long time and I'd like to make the switch to this mod.

 

Anyone who used to use Private Needs now using this? How would you compare the two?

 

Also, how are the animations in this one?

 

This mod is better but lack bladder/bowels/hygiene rate.

 

[TESTED] So, first I tried to install Private Needs 3Alpha 6 again on my new game save. The MCM menu doesn't appear, and it give frustration. This mod idea is good, but... it's kinda broken. So, I tried Private Needs Discreet. Private Needs Discreet's pee animation is different than the one used in Private Needs 2.11. It's better in my opinion. 

 

Since I've tried Private Needs 3Alpha6 once, I think that you (Private Needs Discreet mod creator) should utilize a sound effect for the defecation animation just like in Private Needs. I tested my Player Character to defecate, but there's no sound. While in pee animation, it looks good and sounds correctly.

 

Another thing that I think should be implemented is bladder/bowels/hygiene rate just like in Private Needs. Then, it'd be good to go as it add immersion. And if possible please add Realistic Need and Disease addon/plugin, so (for example) if you drink too much, you are more likely to pee sooner.

 

Good job dude, I hope you will patch this mod to the perfection.

[jihadoftomorrow]

Thanks for the testing lowe. I always hated how unstable Private Needs was.

 

Another question

 

Is there another way to get two more bathing animations without having to install EatingSleepingDrinking?

[Dnell]

 

 

Is this essentially a more updated version of Private Needs?  I think that mod has been abandoned as it hasn't been updated for a long time and I'd like to make the switch to this mod.

 

Anyone who used to use Private Needs now using this? How would you compare the two?

 

Also, how are the animations in this one?

 

This mod is better but lack bladder/bowels/hygiene rate.

 

[TESTED] So, first I tried to install Private Needs 3Alpha 6 again on my new game save. The MCM menu doesn't appear, and it give frustration. This mod idea is good, but... it's kinda broken. So, I tried Private Needs Discreet. Private Needs Discreet's pee animation is different than the one used in Private Needs 2.11. It's better in my opinion. 

 

Since I've tried Private Needs 3Alpha6 once, I think that you (Private Needs Discreet mod creator) should utilize a sound effect for the defecation animation just like in Private Needs. I tested my Player Character to defecate, but there's no sound. While in pee animation, it looks good and sounds correctly.

 

Another thing that I think should be implemented is bladder/bowels/hygiene rate just like in Private Needs. Then, it'd be good to go as it add immersion. And if possible please add Realistic Need and Disease addon/plugin, so (for example) if you drink too much, you are more likely to pee sooner.

 

Good job dude, I hope you will patch this mod to the perfection.

 

 

I agree BIG TIME!!!!!! the animations are way better and a lot more realistic  and i wish you make it just like the private needs mod because the other guy has gone dark more maybe he has a busy life but at any rate it would be nice if you could make it just as explained above about adding realistic needs and diseases and giving me reason to have to pee not just peeing just for the heck of it......so you might as well make it a private needs mod lol

 

[lowe]

 

 

 

Is this essentially a more updated version of Private Needs?  I think that mod has been abandoned as it hasn't been updated for a long time and I'd like to make the switch to this mod.

 

Anyone who used to use Private Needs now using this? How would you compare the two?

 

Also, how are the animations in this one?

 

This mod is better but lack bladder/bowels/hygiene rate.

 

[TESTED] So, first I tried to install Private Needs 3Alpha 6 again on my new game save. The MCM menu doesn't appear, and it give frustration. This mod idea is good, but... it's kinda broken. So, I tried Private Needs Discreet. Private Needs Discreet's pee animation is different than the one used in Private Needs 2.11. It's better in my opinion. 

 

Since I've tried Private Needs 3Alpha6 once, I think that you (Private Needs Discreet mod creator) should utilize a sound effect for the defecation animation just like in Private Needs. I tested my Player Character to defecate, but there's no sound. While in pee animation, it looks good and sounds correctly.

 

Another thing that I think should be implemented is bladder/bowels/hygiene rate just like in Private Needs. Then, it'd be good to go as it add immersion. And if possible please add Realistic Need and Disease addon/plugin, so (for example) if you drink too much, you are more likely to pee sooner.

 

Good job dude, I hope you will patch this mod to the perfection.

 

 

I agree BIG TIME!!!!!! the animations are way better and a lot more realistic  and i wish you make it just like the private needs mod because the other guy has gone dark more maybe he has a busy life but at any rate it would be nice if you could make it just as explained above about adding realistic needs and diseases and giving me reason to have to pee not just peeing just for the heck of it......so you might as well make it a private needs mod lol

 

 

It'd be good if the immersion (ie bowel rate) is configurable and can be toggled on and off. So, we can test the animation first and make sure everything work perfectly before activate the immersive features. 

 

Base on tested I did on my PC, I found:

- There's a bug where, when you add an item via console (ie cloth), your player character will start the bathing animation. There's no way to stop this animation but pressing the hotkey for pee (which animation last only 15s I think).

- The Bathing animation (for female in my case) is too long (duration 60). So, I suggest you to reduce the duration in MCM menu, since the animation is repetitive.

- The Pee animation works well. In default setting (duration: 15) the third stream of pee doesn't come with any sound effect like the previous 2 streams. If possible please fix this.

- The Defecation animation does not have proper sound like in Private Needs. I suggest you (private need discreet author) to add one like in Private Needs.

 

That's it.

[makro730]

I do not know what is wrong but the woman in the bath has a flattened back I think the animation unsuitability for bathing are the backbone hdt

[Mookeylama]

Thanks for the answer. Also, unfortunately, 1.7.0 + patch doesn't trigger NPC's scatting/peeing at all even when being enabled and I reseted animation registry.

 

so is this latest version working for all other users (the npc functions)? i'm not home to check

 

also, i'd rather not have heavy script stuff like bladder filling ect. thought the whole idea of this was to make it less performance heavy than original PN

[lhalorellon]

Thank you all for supportive comments.

Creating, and tuning this mod, and answering to requests and considering how to add them into the game has sure been fun.

 

I did not get permission to include the EatingSleepingDrinking animations but the author was kind enough to make an optional download with the hkx files, so you will soon have more bathing options.

 

Thanks to toxsickcity for ScocLB, for nudging me into right direction to achieve the Effect Shader I was looking for. Cool mod.

 

 

Another thing that I think should be implemented is bladder/bowels/hygiene rate just like in Private Needs.

This feature seems to be requested a lot. Actually, the NPC defecation problem still in the latest patch comes that they would need separate bladder/bowel timers instead of just one. The system has to exist for NPCs so it could be extended to player too.

 

 

I have urination set to 2 hours, and pooping on 3 hours, The problem is, whatever hour combination I choose, NPC's (females) will only pee, but never poop.

 

It seems that there is no key for NPC defecation, only urination. Or I'm missing something?!

And that is true, and it's not working right, but if you set urination to 0 will they defecate?

 

In the next update, try the target actor hotkey while sneaking.

 

 

 

- There's a bug where, when you add an item via console (ie cloth), your player character will start the bathing animation. There's no way to stop this animation but pressing the hotkey for pee (which animation last only 15s I think).

 

- The Defecation animation does not have proper sound like in Private Needs.

Added check for menu mode for the next update. On another note, interrupting the current animation is a feature I've planned for a long time.

 

There is occasional defecation sound, just the chance for the poopfart is very low. I'll increase the chance, and think of an optional way for more sounds if you like them.

[germanicus]

 

And that is true, and it's not working right, but if you set urination to 0 will they defecate?

 

I haven't had try that option yet.