Milk with "worry free flip caps"? The fuck is this?

[ToxicKetchup]

You take? Are you trying to grow cow boobs or something? What crazy doctor would give that to a human? It's a bovine hormone!

 

I've often wondered if the shit in milk today isn't why girls seem to mature earlier and boys later. Seems plausible with all the estrogens in milk, cheap ground beef, processed chicken products and that comes from plastic drink bottles.

 

I take it for feminization.

 

It's not exclusively a bovine hormone, it's also found in humans and other mammals.

It's one of the cheaper hormone therapy options available to male-to-female transsexuals and post-menopausal women.

[gvman3670]

 

You take? Are you trying to grow cow boobs or something? What crazy doctor would give that to a human? It's a bovine hormone!

 

I've often wondered if the shit in milk today isn't why girls seem to mature earlier and boys later. Seems plausible with all the estrogens in milk, cheap ground beef, processed chicken products and that comes from plastic drink bottles.

 

I take it for feminization.

 

It's not exclusively a bovine hormone, it's also found in humans and other mammals.

It's one of the cheaper hormone therapy options available to male-to-female transsexuals and post-menopausal women.

 

 

Well, in that case I stand corrected. I know that dairy farmers use the stuff. So it should be safe to assume it's lower cost is partially because of it being mass produced and readily available?

 

So what do you think of my hypothesis about the hormones in milk and food changing the development rates of young people?

 

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

I say inject all the girls with all the hormones.

[ToxicKetchup]

 

 

You take? Are you trying to grow cow boobs or something? What crazy doctor would give that to a human? It's a bovine hormone!

 

I've often wondered if the shit in milk today isn't why girls seem to mature earlier and boys later. Seems plausible with all the estrogens in milk, cheap ground beef, processed chicken products and that comes from plastic drink bottles.

 

I take it for feminization.

 

It's not exclusively a bovine hormone, it's also found in humans and other mammals.

It's one of the cheaper hormone therapy options available to male-to-female transsexuals and post-menopausal women.

 

 

Well, in that case I stand corrected. I know that dairy farmers use the stuff. So it should be safe to assume it's lower cost is partially because of it being mass produced and readily available?

 

So what do you think of my hypothesis about the hormones in milk and food changing the development rates of young people?

 

 

I guess it makes sense. Testosterone is often used in beef cattle to maximize weight gain. The larger the animal, the more meat produced, which means more profit.

 

I'm sure the same general concept would apply to dairy cattle as well.

 

And of course all those additives remain in the milk and meat, which people eat, so...

[Emberheart]

Here you go, I really don't think I'd be worrying about a flip top cap.

 

 

Another reason to befriend your local farmer an get it fresh.

[Guest xthejester]

 

Here you go, I really don't think I'd be worrying about a flip top cap.

 

 

Another reason to befriend your local farmer an get it fresh.

 

 

Getting it fresh wont help.

 

The hormones and drugs are given to the cows, that's how they get in the milk. They're not put into the milk later.

 

[gvman3670]

Another reason to befriend your local farmer an get it fresh.

I do. But wanna' know what's scary?

 

Our government has made it illegal to buy/sell whole, natural milk. There have been arrests for this as well. That's going a bit too far if you ask me.

[Guest xthejester]

 

Another reason to befriend your local farmer an get it fresh.

I do. But wanna' know what's scary?

 

Our government has made it illegal to buy/sell whole, natural milk. There have been arrests for this as well. That's going a bit too far if you ask me.

 

 

It's the "raw" milk that's illegal to trade.

 

And for good enough reason...unpasteurized milk carries a huge spectrum of infectious agents. Mostly bacteria. If you have a cow, and you want to drink straight from the teet...that's on you...you're choice. But selling it to the public is just plain negligent.

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

Is it actually something to do with the fact that it's not pastured?

 

Because I know that's why it's illegal to import certain cheeses.

[gvman3670]

It's the "raw" milk that's illegal to trade.

 

And for good enough reason...unpasteurized milk carries a huge spectrum of infectious agents. Mostly bacteria. If you have a cow, and you want to drink straight from the teet...that's on you...you're choice. But selling it to the public is just plain negligent.

I realize it's raw milk. It's all I drank until I was around 16 years old. Both goat and cow milk actually. Healthy animals have clean, healthy milk.

 

Seriously, I still can't stand that store milk. Tastes like cow butt KoolAid and all watery. It's horrible.

[gvman3670]

Is it actually something to do with the fact that it's not pastured?

 

Because I know that's why it's illegal to import certain cheeses.

Yeah, it's not pasteurized. But let's be honest here. Why can't you buy and consume raw milk if you want to? Can you say you're free if you can't ingest what you want? Is it really any government's place to make those choices for everyone?

 

That's my point. I am all for more freedom for more people.

[aRuthSA]

 

Yeah, it's not pasteurized. But let's be honest here. Why can't you buy and consume raw milk if you want to? Can you say you're free if you can't ingest what you want? Is it really any government's place to make those choices for everyone?

 

That's my point. I am all for more freedom for more people.

 

 

Ron? Ron Swanson-Is that you?

 

 

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

Then what if somebody drinks that shit and gets sick? Lawsuits start pouring in, the system gets bogged down even more and then everybody complains that the government isn't doing anything. And when they do, people still complain because now they can't legally run a risk of potentially killing themselves.

 

A lot of laws are, shockingly, completely justified. This is one of them. Unless you prefer potentially everybody having to sign a waiver every single time they go to buy milk.

 

NOW GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AND HAND RATHER THAN THIS QUASI POLITICAL SHIT.

 

Fucking flip tops, how do they work?

[windpl]

 

 

Another reason to befriend your local farmer an get it fresh.

I do. But wanna' know what's scary?

 

Our government has made it illegal to buy/sell whole, natural milk. There have been arrests for this as well. That's going a bit too far if you ask me.

 

 

It's the "raw" milk that's illegal to trade.

 

And for good enough reason...unpasteurized milk carries a huge spectrum of infectious agents. Mostly bacteria. If you have a cow, and you want to drink straight from the teet...that's on you...you're choice. But selling it to the public is just plain negligent.

 

 

LOL. Pasteurization is used only for seller convenience. Unpasteurized milk does have huge amount of bacteria, you know those like on in your yogurt and everyone says that they are good bacteria.

 

Pasteurization is used because quality control is impossible at this volume. They cant check every single farmer cows from whom take milk. Also this process preserve it for longer.

 

I have drink fresh milk for half of my childhood and I'm very health person.

And taste, pasteurized milk taste just awfully like drinking fucking water. Only tasty pasteurized milk is fat one, not that degreased shit.

[Guest xthejester]

Well...as far as milk goes...

 

All of it makes my digestive tract horribly unhappy. So pasteurized, or not, I'm not ingesting it.

 

Oddly, cheeses and yogurt and butter do not cause my ass to explode. Just milk.

[Nonsense667]

It seems that whether or not an invention is classified as "lazy" or as "useful" depends on if an individual sees it as something that will be beneficial in their own lives or not, regardless of whether or not the invention is an improvement to the established norm.

 

What is any invention but "lazy," i.e. something designed to make things... better.

 

(I think the real argument is whether or not an invention actually does make things better. Because simply making things "lazier" doesn't necessarily make things better, which is where movies like Wall-E fail in their bashing-you-over-the-head-with-the-shock-and-horror-of-their-point approach. For example, the Segway (seeing as those aren't even heard of any more, unless you are watching arrested development) didn't really make anything better. Having some machine like that rather than walking just... bah. Do we see many people using them? Nope. Because they didn't make things better.)

[Guest Omega1084]

It seems that whether or not an invention is classified as "lazy" or as "useful" depends on if an individual sees it as something that will be beneficial in their own lives or not, regardless of whether or not the invention is an improvement to the established norm.

 

What is any invention but "lazy," i.e. something designed to make things... better.

 

(I think the real argument is whether or not an invention actually does make things better. Because simply making things "lazier" doesn't necessarily make things better, which is where movies like Wall-E fail in their bashing-you-over-the-head-with-the-shock-and-horror-of-their-point approach. For example, the Segway (seeing as those aren't even heard of any more, unless you are watching arrested development) didn't really make anything better. Having some machine like that rather than walking just... bah. Do we see many people using them? Nope. Because they didn't make things better.)

Segways cost $2,000 at the very least. If they were cheaper I'm sure you'd see more people using them. 

Bicycles are cheap.

[Guest Mogie56]

Segways need training wheels with all the numbskulls that had them and didn't know the first thing about operating them. too many wrecks with inanimate objects that didn't give. Like concrete walls and light posts and other Segways, or things that broke like pedestrians. The only break is pushing or pulling the handle you steer with. but like a skateboard when it comes to pebbles or rocks. skid, spin and flip to pain.  Maybe there would of been more of them if you didn't have to have insurance on them, that usually spells "danger".

[Rayblue]

What's more bicycles don't need electricity, allows you to exercise, saves you gasoline when going out to do some errands, and improves your hand-eye-foot coordination skills.

 

The introduction of these easy-open caps doesn't necessarily means that people have become lazy, but rather there's a growing population of old folks who don't have the hand strength as we do now, in addition to people with hand injuries or disabilities (this includes me, as I've punched a punk down years ago in a street fight, broke some of my knuckles on the right hand, and since then have a bit of trouble opening a bottle of soda). So the packaging designers have come up with such conveniences that tries to be acceptable and usable to everyone.

[Guest Mogie56]

I guess if all you have ever seen were waxed cardboard half gallon milk cartons and you can rip that carton open a flip top cap might be something to bitch about. And I have one question. Why in the fuck do they need debating, condemnation or even defending? It is a product that puts people to work making them. That in and of itself should be enough, but NO we have to debate it, drag it through the mud, chastise those that came up with the idea and for what? because you can't see a use for it? or you think it is for the Lazy? are you really that narrow minded? everything made is to make money, it puts people to work so they can make money to buy the shit they make. Oh but it is a vicious circle we weave is it not. why is a flip top cap any different then the computer you are sitting in front of or the cell phone you can't live without? Oh but using a flip top cap automatically makes the user lazy? and what about the cap on a bottle of beer or the pull tab on a can of beer or soda the screw top on a plastic bottle of milk? what makes these any less for the fucking lazy? we are conditioned to be lazy fucking overeaters. on average 15 fast food ads per day on TV directed at the young with prizes of there favorite cartoon characters. soda's and junk food were taken out of school vending machines and replaced with vitamine water and poweraid both of which have just as many carbs and just as much sugar.   

 

Pasteurization slows the growth of bacteria in foods (usually liquids) by heating the food to a certain temperature and then cooling it. Milk sold in stores must be pasteurized in a specific manner to pass the standards of the USDA. Drinking milk that has not been pasteurized can be dangerous for those with weakened or low immune systems, such as young children and the elderly. If you milk your own cows or goats, knowing how to pasteurize milk at home will prevent bacteria growth and allow you to preserve the milk longer.

Homogenisation is the process of mixing or blending the fat throughout the milk instead of having it float on top, (but should be taken out altogether). The fat is what a percentage of all these toxins (drugs) attach to and are then blended to distribute evenly.

The drug list I posted earlier are only 14 of the 20+ drugs found in most samples of milk taken. and that doesn't even mention all the pesticides and chemicals in the hay, grain and corn that's fed to cattle. And there lies your vicious circle. all the urine collected by dairy farms is then redistributed to growing hay, recycled drugs and pesticides and toxins ever progressing. Does it really matter how you open your milk?

[Rayblue]

So... soy milk?

[Guest Mogie56]

Anything you eat or drink has some form of processing

As with dairy milk, there is some controversy over the hormones in soy milk.

Cow milk naturally contains estrogen and progesterone. Cows are milked throughout pregnancy in the United States, and their hormone levels peak near the end of their term. Some studies have linked the consumption of cow's milk with various types of cancer and early sexual puberty.  Additionally, cows in the U.S. are sometimes treated with rBST or rBGH, types of of controversial growth hormones that studies have linked with various cancers.

Soy milk naturally contains isoflavones. Isoflavones act in a manner similar to the hormone estrogen (but are not actually estrogen). They are phytoestrogens, or plant-derived compounds with 'estrogenic activity.' Some studies have linked high consumption of these compounds with reduced or increased chances of breast cancer, but there is no conclusive evidence either way. The consumption of abnormally high levels of isoflavones is questionable, but regular consumption of soy milk and other sources of isoflavones is considered to be healthy.

you just have to find the one that fits your taste, Silk has several, made from soybeans, almonds etc. with pretty much the same process. Also there are lower levels of calcium in soymilk so other sources of calcium are appropriate.

but all I was saying is that it seems to me irrelevant  how you open your milk considering all the crap "in" it.

[CoxcombCornking]

Pasteurization only takes care of certain natural beasties that are found floating around in milk. The VERY bad dangers all come from the steroids, antibiotics, GMOs and whatever other shit that's been approved by FDA and USDA puppets working for powerful drug companies and "agricultural" firms.

Your best bet is to run out into the woods, hold down some sort of wild mammal, and suck it's teets.

Preferably some species which is of no interest to Pfizer, or ConAgra to have already mutated or poisoned.

Maybe an opossum or racoon.

Go suck a racoon.

 

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