[WIP] Skyrim Slavers Guild

[Princessity]

Oblivion was pretty much the same apart from that it didnt give you the illusion of a choice in most quests

That's true ._. and sad too! Bethesda really makes very pretty landscapes and fills them with lots of nothing meaningful to do but they really really really should fire their writers and quest designers.

[DocClox]

I'm adding in your sex text now, MsL.

 

And I've also asked shade if we can get some fingering and licking animations as well.

[Queen Bee]

@Doc: I agree that slavery isn't necessarily about suffering. I enjoy inflicting agony for agony's sake, but when it comes to training slaves I'm more of the mind that pain should be used as a motivator for behavior modification. Once the desired behavior is displayed, a slave should be rewarded. The goal should be a docile, obedient slave who doesn't need to be punished. Even if the desired behavior is for the slave to enjoy pain, that stops being a punishment and starts being a reward.

 

Which brings up an interesting question, Doc: Are you going to include masochists in the game? If so, what options will you have to torture them that don't include pain? If you don't have any in mind I could make a lot of suggestions.

[Otre]

Hey Doc, what creatures you are planing to add? I mean creatures which would capture, rape female PC or NPC. I did read a creature list in your wiki (that was pretty cool ), but that not so much. Anyway, here still a lot of job must be done, but still would be interesting to know what's on your mind.

[Princessity]

Oh my writing this took me longer than I thought! It's not easy to focus imagining all these things ^^

 

Anyways here's the "female translation" I promised! Version with strapon and without.

 

Leeches' date=' you're a star! I'll add them into the next update

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Ohhh! I'm a star thank you! ^^

 

Awh if you ever need anything else from the dirtiest corners of the girly mind you know where to find me ^^

[DocClox]

@Doc: I agree that slavery isn't necessarily about suffering. I enjoy inflicting agony for agony's sake' date=' but when it comes to training slaves I'm more of the mind that pain should be used as a motivator for behavior modification. Once the desired behavior is displayed, a slave should be rewarded. The goal should be a docile, obedient slave who doesn't need to be punished. Even if the desired behavior is for the slave to enjoy pain, that stops being a punishment and starts being a reward.

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Exactly! I don't even mind the slaves being happy, so long as they're obedient and submissive. And if they're not obedient and submissive, they're not going to stay happy long

 

That's why I don't want Molag Bal's cult tied too strongly to the Guild. Molag Bal is only happy when nobody else is, and I don't want that. Or at least I'd like an option not to do it like that.

 

Which brings up an interesting question' date=' Doc: Are you going to include masochists in the game? If so, what options will you have to torture them that don't include pain? If you don't have any in mind I could make a lot of suggestions.

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I'm definitely including masochists.

 

Torture options that don't involve pain. I hadn't really thought about it, but ... starvation, humiliation, orgasm denial, exposure (chained naked in the snow) pain caused to loved ones are all planned to one degree or another.

 

Could definitely do with a few more though

[lilbooth]

Everything is working allright for me. No bugs that I noticed, I havn't tried freeing teija but the alternate path works great

[Queen Bee]

I'm definitely including masochists.

 

Torture options that don't involve pain. I hadn't really thought about it' date=' but ... starvation, humiliation, orgasm denial, exposure (chained naked in the snow) pain caused to loved ones are all planned to one degree or another.

 

Could definitely do with a few more though

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Masochists hate boredom. If you force them to engage in a repetitive mundane chore they will beg for mercy. One thing I used to do with my former sub (who was a huge masochist) was make her hold a quarter to the wall with her tongue until I told her she could stop, or count out a couple hundred grains of sand or rice one at a time. Or, and this she hated the most, I made her write 1,000 word essays on what a good sub/slave should be and made her write the whole thing over again if I found a single spelling or grammar mistake.

 

Not that you should have "essay writing" as a torture option, of course ^_~

 

Perhaps you could sentence unruly masochists to the mines for a bit?

[GHJKL]

Humiliation is quite nice, but quite hard to pull off. I mean the npc's don't even notice if you walk around only wearing shoes (Or ankle chains) And skimpy clothes doesn't provoke any reaction other than the normal bullshit.

If nakedness would get different reactions based on how naked it is that would be beautiful. For example most normal clothes would not get any reaction. the fur bikini would make npc's treat you a little like a whore(from vanila game). and very skimpy clothes would get harsh reactions. like shopkeepers don't want to do business with you. Clothing where crotch and breasts are exposed would get you on the list of rapists and other "evil" people who don't necessarily believe in that non conseansal things are bad. Would get you arrested if a guard gets close enough.

Nude and things that take up armorslots but are not covering really. would be a crime that makes it that you are not allowed inside a city even, they might even strip you naked (of other stuff like everything including weapons) and throw you outside the city. If slavery is accepted and you are naked you are prey and fair game to mostly everyone.

 

I just mean to say that npcs behavior should be changed, if you walk around naked they don't care right now. makes it not very humiliating.

 

And some items should get extra reactions if discovered. (by being close enough to be seen) like a dog collar, ankle chains, gag, anal beads, nipple clamps.

Maybe it would be possible to make dresses/skirts without underwear where they would not see anything normally but when you (or your slave) stumbles/falls over/maybe a gust of wind? they get a view and then give a reaction off the exposed catogory. and an even more interesting reaction if they make out some anal beads or something similar.

[Queen Bee]

If slavery is accepted and you are naked you are prey and fair game to mostly everyone.

 

Except slaves are owned property' date=' and I'd take issue with someone raping my slave without asking/paying me first. That should be a crime in and of itself, really. It's like if someone graffitied your car or kicked your dog.

 

I just mean to say that npcs behavior should be changed, if you walk around naked they don't care right now. makes it not very humiliating.

 

I agree that NPCs should have more believable behavior in regards to how a PC or NPC is dressed, but there are other ways to be humiliated. For instance, you could take the slave to a public place and make them yell embarrassing things, i.e. "I'm a dirty whore! I like to suck cocks and eat pussies! I take it in the ass!" Or you could make a slave eat shit in public, or make her go door to door selling her own breast milk, with orders to inform her customers of this fact only after they've tasted it. There's a lot of ways to humiliate someone without using nudity.

[lilbooth]

If slavery is accepted and you are naked you are prey and fair game to mostly everyone.

 

Except slaves are owned property' date=' and I'd take issue with someone raping my slave without asking/paying me first. That should be a crime in and of itself, really. It's like if someone graffitied your car or kicked your dog.

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On the wiki I believe there was a post about this. If a character, npc or pc, is a slave or atleast appears to be one they are taken to the Slaver's Guild Outpost in that town/hold and they are checked to see if they are owned, if they are they are returned to their master/mistress, if they are not they go up for auctions. Or they might get shipped off for training first, not sure.

[delurker]

I'll see what I can do. I'm not sure we'll be able to manage a first person viewpoint for the face-sittee.

 

I did in fact have a face-sitting setup in the Skysex demo from a while back. I just took a cowgirl animation and moved it over the other partner's head. So I should be able to sort something out.

 

First person for the sitter (when the sitter is the PC) is better than no first person at all' date=' but first person from the sit-ee would be truly awesome if it can be done, even if it's just a view from the stomach & boobs up (including the sitters face looking down, of course).

 

I think eye contact is going to be the most important thing in either case to leave no doubt as to the two characters' respective roles (i.e. who's under who).

 

Speaking of which, are all these animations going to work properly if there's a race or two involved in the acts we're discussing that happens to be significantly shorter than the average Skyrim humanoid race, or will there be positioning issues? Not talking kiddie stuff here, just short adults.

 

Except slaves are owned property, and I'd take issue with someone raping my slave without asking/paying me first. That should be a crime in and of itself, really. It's like if someone graffitied your car or kicked your dog.

 

That would constitute a theft of goods in my book - it's taking something for sale by someone else without paying.

[DocClox]

Hey Doc' date=' what creatures you are planing to add? I mean creatures which would capture, rape female PC or NPC. I did read a creature list in your wiki (that was pretty cool ), but that not so much. Anyway, here still a lot of job must be done, but still would be interesting to know what's on your mind.

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Leeches' date=' you're a star! I'll add them into the next update

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Ohhh! I'm a star thank you! ^^

 

Awh if you ever need anything else from the dirtiest corners of the girly mind you know where to find me ^^

 

I'll take you up on that. Umm... I'm having to cut some of your text down a wee bit - apparently there's a character limit.

 

I'm also setting it up so that if you're wearing the strapon you get the strapon text, if you're female sans strappy then you get the fingering text, and if you're a guy you get the previous blurb.

 

Everything is working allright for me. No bugs that I noticed' date=' I havn't tried freeing teija but the alternate path works great

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Splendid stuff

 

Masochists hate boredom. If you force them to engage in a repetitive mundane chore they will beg for mercy.

 

I was planning to use player boredom as a way to encourage them to do things that they probably know are a bad idea but that their character would likely do. I hadn't thought of it as a punishment in-game. Interesting idea' date=' I can use that

 

Humiliation is quite nice, but quite hard to pull off. I mean the npc's don't even notice if you walk around only wearing shoes (Or ankle chains) And skimpy clothes doesn't provoke any reaction other than the normal bullshit.

 

Yeah. The resources framework should make it possible to have reactions based on skimpy dress, but we're not there yet.

 

Still, if you march a slave naked through whiterun, she's going to feel ashamed, even if the NPCs don't comment on it. Similarly if a player gets marched naked by slavers, the player can expect a drop in pride.

 

And of course, if it's being done as a punishment, then I can set conditions to make the townsfolk comment on attractiveness, morals and cleanliness of the girls on parade.

 

If nakedness would get different reactions based on how naked it is that would be beautiful.

 

It's doable. Sexout does this by letting you tag clothes with keywords' date=' and I'm planning something similar. I just need to be three separate people

 

And some items should get extra reactions if discovered. (by being close enough to be seen) like a dog collar, ankle chains, gag, anal beads, nipple clamps.

 

That was something I wanted to do for Calyps' sex toys. I wanted some enchanted plugs and wearable dildoes that could be worn under normal skirts. And then I wanted a spell to make them glow through the clothing the way detect spells do, so anyone watching could see what these apparently respectable women were wearing. Might still do it

 

 

Maybe it would be possible to make dresses/skirts without underwear where they would not see anything normally but when you (or your slave) stumbles/falls over/maybe a gust of wind? they get a view and then give a reaction off the exposed catogory. and an even more interesting reaction if they make out some anal beads or something similar.

 

Sounds like a fun idea for a mod' date=' but possibly not part of main line SSG. Still, it's worth thinking about.

 

If slavery is accepted and you are naked you are prey and fair game to mostly everyone.

 

Except slaves are owned property' date=' and I'd take issue with someone raping my slave without asking/paying me first. That should be a crime in and of itself, really. It's like if someone graffitied your car or kicked your dog.

 

I just mean to say that npcs behavior should be changed, if you walk around naked they don't care right now. makes it not very humiliating.

 

I agree that NPCs should have more believable behavior in regards to how a PC or NPC is dressed, but there are other ways to be humiliated. For instance, you could take the slave to a public place and make them yell embarrassing things, i.e. "I'm a dirty whore! I like to suck cocks and eat pussies! I take it in the ass!" Or you could make a slave eat shit in public, or make her go door to door selling her own breast milk, with orders to inform her customers of this fact only after they've tasted it. There's a lot of ways to humiliate someone without using nudity.

 

 

If slavery is accepted and you are naked you are prey and fair game to mostly everyone.

 

Except slaves are owned property' date=' and I'd take issue with someone raping my slave without asking/paying me first. That should be a crime in and of itself, really. It's like if someone graffitied your car or kicked your dog.

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I could be persuaded that a naked woman was fair game all round, but one wearing a collar was property. It'd be a late development though.

 

On the wiki I believe there was a post about this. If a character' date=' npc or pc, is a slave or atleast appears to be one they are taken to the Slaver's Guild Outpost in that town/hold and they are checked to see if they are owned, if they are they are returned to their master/mistress, if they are not they go up for auctions. Or they might get shipped off for training first, not sure.

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That'd work as well. The attitude of the watch could change according to how well regarded the guild is. If they're hated then the guards will help slaves escape. If they're respected, the guards will return slaves to their owners. If it's kind of 50/50 then they won't interfere.

 

First person for the sitter (when the sitter is the PC) is better than no first person at all' date=' but first person from the sit-ee would be truly awesome if it can be done, even if it's just a view from the stomach & boobs up (including the sitters face looking down, of course).

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My worry is that the near clip limit will kick in and you'll get a magnificent view of the inside of the model which is generally not as sexy as it sounds.

 

Speaking of which' date=' are all these animations going to work properly if there's a race or two involved in the acts we're discussing that happens to be significantly shorter than the average Skyrim humanoid race, or will there be positioning issues? Not talking kiddie stuff here, just short adults.

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Probably not to begin with. We'll need some way to adjust for race on a per-position basis. Not sure how best to do that yet. But let's get the basics working first.

 

That would constitute a theft of goods in my book - it's taking something for sale by someone else without paying.

 

That's an interesting point. There aren't really any mechanics for dealing with theft by NPCs, except try and clobber the thief. I'm not sure how we'd handle slave abuse. If the player is the abuser, I suppose we can put a bounty on 'em equivalent to petty theft.

 

Maybe we'll need a quest or a scene sometime where the player's slave gets used without permission and the PC has to decide how best to resolve the situation.

[Princessity]

I'll take you up on that. Umm... I'm having to cut some of your text down a wee bit - apparently there's a character limit.

 

Oh ooops I was afraid that might happen. I was trying to keep it the same length as the original but I may have gone a little overboard in one or two cases ^^ Perhaps you could try to distribute the excess text among the other messageboxes?

[DocClox]

Hey Doc' date=' what creatures you are planing to add? I mean creatures which would capture, rape female PC or NPC. I did read a creature list in your wiki (that was pretty cool ), but that not so much. Anyway, here still a lot of job must be done, but still would be interesting to know what's on your mind.

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Heh. I quoted you last time and then forgot the comment. Sorry about that.

 

As regards new creatures, only those in the wiki at the moment. Maybe some sexually interested giant worms and/or maggots as I mentioned in QueenBee's Namira thread. And anything else my twisted mind can come up with and that we can model. Maybe a couple more Falmer bred monstrosities.

 

For vanilla creatures, I'd like to get away from the loverscreatures thing where you're wandering around minding your own business and suddenly "You are being raped by a deer". So I'll keep sex with vanilla creatures to a minimum unless there's special circumstances. Or maybe a quest to justify the abberant behavior. There's a writeup on trolls on the wiki, for instance.

 

I'll take you up on that. Umm... I'm having to cut some of your text down a wee bit - apparently there's a character limit.

 

Oh ooops I was afraid that might happen. I was trying to keep it the same length as the original but I may have gone a little overboard in one or two cases ^^ Perhaps you could try to distribute the excess text among the other messageboxes?

 

I'll give it a shot. The only one I've actually trimmed so far is this one, which cut off at "the stolen fruit really is the swee".

 

 

 

“By the time she settles down, you're already close to it, feeling it approaching. You slow down for a moment to prolong the pleasure, teasing yourself with slow circular rubbing before returning to thrusting. Not content to let her rest just yet you pick up the pace and rock hard against the table.

 

Finally it ends. Your hands wander to her shoulders and you lean forward, standing on your tippy toes as the last thrusts of the dildo inside of you set off an explosion. Your eyes flutter open and a deep sigh forces its way out of your throat...

 

It's like they say: the stolen fruit really is the sweetest.”

 

 

 

I trimmed it by losing the "tippy toe" clause which doesn't seem to do too much damage to the piece.

 

 

 

“By the time she settles down, you're already close to it, feeling it approaching. You slow down for a moment to prolong the pleasure, teasing yourself with slow circular rubbing before returning to thrusting. Not content to let her rest just yet you pick up the pace and rock hard against the table.

 

Finally it ends. Your hands wander to her shoulders and you lean forward as the last thrusts of the dildo inside of you set off an explosion. Your eyes flutter open and a deep sigh forces its way out of your throat...

 

It's like they say: the stolen fruit really is the sweetest."

 

 

[ibanez85]

At least..the questline is released..Thx Doc:D

But still, Hulda doesn't give me dialogue option about it, I Tested in drunken huntsman..riverwood..there is no dialogue about it

 

I Only install the Latest Version + FNIS + Fus ro

Am I doing right? it's doesn't require slaver spell and AP right?

[DocClox]

The Frostfruit Inn in Rorikstead is a possible too.

 

You can check if the quest is running by typing sqv ssg_mq_01 into the console.

 

For what it's worth, I just started a test game, went to all four inns, not a sign. Checked the console and found out the quest was indeed running, went back to Whiterun and what did Hulda have for me?

[Queen Bee]

Doc, I think it would be romantic as hell if at some point your favorite slave gets kidnapped and you have to go save him/her. By this point they'd be properly trained and devoted to you entirely, so when you save him/her they are truly grateful and happy to be back with their master/mistress. And then you go home for some celebratory sex!

 

Which, by the way, are you going to have a slave ranking system? Like, Slave A is totally obedient and your favorite so they're 1st, Slave B needs some work so they're 2nd, and Slave C is a snotty brat who doesn't know their place so they're 3rd. And then if the PC is the slave, they have to work at rising through the ranks, etc.

[tcharing]

Just played through the latest release. It was excellent. My only gripe was with the lightning inside Valtheim Holdfast. It's so... purple!

 

I had one bug though. Wasn't Teija supposed to be bent over that table? Because she's just standing there for me. I have FNIS installed and all that. [edit] Nvm that, forgot to install the actual animations. ^^ [edit2] No, wait, it still doesn't work. She's just standing there. Any ideas?

 

Also, I think there was an extra word in the SSG guy's second line.

[ibanez85]

The Frostfruit Inn in Rorikstead is a possible too.

 

You can check if the quest is running by typing sqv ssg_mq_01 into the console.

 

For what it's worth' date=' I just started a test game, went to all four inns, not a sign. Checked the console and found out the quest was indeed running, went back to Whiterun and what did Hulda have for me?

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yeah..it's worked Doc..Thanks

I rape teija..then go report to Jarl

now I must waiting someone to contact me isn't?

 

I'm so glad about your progress Doc..good work you are awesome

[Evilriku96]

ehm hi... I'm one of those who read the forum all the time but never post ^^"

 

i'm writing now because i've a problem with the mod, i go and speak with hulda but the quest don't start at all, it may be because the mod go in conflict with other mods that i have installed in the game?

 

PS: i apologize if i have done some error writing the post, but i'm not very good in english ^^"

[DocClox]

Doc' date=' I think it would be romantic as hell if at some point your favorite slave gets kidnapped and you have to go save him/her. By this point they'd be properly trained and devoted to you entirely, so when you save him/her they are truly grateful and happy to be back with their master/mistress. And then you go home for some celebratory sex!

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Yeah, I was vaguely thinking about something along those lines. A well trained slave should be worth hanging on to.

 

Which' date=' by the way, are you going to have a slave ranking system? Like, Slave A is totally obedient and your favorite so they're 1st, Slave B needs some work so they're 2nd, and Slave C is a snotty brat who doesn't know their place so they're 3rd. And then if the PC is the slave, they have to work at rising through the ranks, etc.

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We could use how far along on the slave states diagram as a base rank, with seniority applying.

 

Of course, you'd need to be able to override that.I want to be able to set girls in charge of other girls.

 

Just played through the latest release. It was excellent. My only gripe was with the lightning inside Valtheim Holdfast. It's so... purple!

 

And I thought I'd been quite subtle about it. I didn't account for the way the near directional ambient would tint the stonework' date=' I guess. I'll try and tone it down a little (and brighten the main lights) for the next release.

 

I had one bug though. Wasn't Teija supposed to be bent over that table? Because she's just standing there for me. I have FNIS installed and all that. [edit] Nvm that, forgot to install the actual animations. ^^ [edit2] No, wait, it still doesn't work. She's just standing there. Any ideas?

 

She is indeed supposed to be bending over. In fact, I'm currently having a hard job getting her to stand up again.

 

Was she sort of arms at about 45 degrees to her sides and not moving? You might need to upgrade your version of FNIS

 

Also' date=' I think there was an extra word in the SSG guy's second line.

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I'll look at it now, thanks

 

[edit]

 

Fixed it. Good catch!

 

yeah..it's worked Doc..Thanks

I rape teija..then go report to Jarl

now I must waiting someone to contact me isn't?

 

Yeah' date=' that's the end of the mod. The next quest will start with a courier telling you where to meet Saravyn.

 

I'm so glad about your progress Doc..good work you are awesome

 

You're too kind

 

i'm writing now because i've a problem with the mod' date=' i go and speak with hulda but the quest don't start at all, it may be because the mod go in conflict with other mods that i have installed in the game?

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OK. walk out of the bannered mare and then back in again. Then open the console and type sqv ssg_mq_01 and see if the quest is running.

 

If it says "yes" and hulda still doesn't have the quest, it may be with one of the other barkeeps. So check the Drunken Huntsman, The Sleeping Giant in Riverwood, and the Frostfruit Inn in Rorikstead.

 

And if none of them have it, check Hulda one last time

 

[edit]

 

Still tweaking VH. The in-game strapon now appears. Teija now stands up, I hope reliably. She's not looking at the player when she talk, but that's easy to fix.

 

Next up, more FNIS debugging, sex animations, and getting the courier going

[Aldebaraan]

tried the last release and SSG_MQ01_FuckTeja3 (Message) Fingering (female)is cropped to:

 

“Now properly lubricated you have no problem sliding a finger into her sex, soon followed by another. A shock runs through her body again and she tries to get away but her restraints keep her at your mercy.

 

As your fingers thrust faster and faster, her strength seems to wane. As does yours while the finger working its magic around your little nub of pleasure teasingly builds up your passion. You let out a soft sigh and lay against her shivering body, feeling her warmth against your sensitive skin. Her lips close tightly around your fingers and you can feel the approaching climax too. When it becomes impossible to draw it out anymore you expend the last of your strength to finish it. The room starts

the strapon version though is working fine.

[DocClox]

Thanks. I knew there was one of 'em I'd missed, thanks for reminding me.

 

Incidentally, on the subject of text, some of the dialogue lines whizz past a bit too quick to read. If folks see any of these, let me know the message _after_ the one you couldn't read, and I'll get it fixed.

 

I'm patching 'em as I find 'em, but the conversation tree is starting to get a bit deep.

[Evilriku96]

OK. walk out of the bannered mare and then back in again. Then open the console and type sqv ssg_mq_01 and see if the quest is running.

 

If it says "yes" and hulda still doesn't have the quest' date=' it may be with one of the other barkeeps. So check the Drunken Huntsman, The Sleeping Giant in Riverwood, and the Frostfruit Inn in Rorikstead.

 

And if none of them have it, check Hulda one last time

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if i type "sqv ssg_mq_01" in the console it say me:

Enabled? yes

Current stage: 10

Priority: 30

 

is that normal? btw, i have checked all the barkeepers that you have told me, but none of them have the dialogue for the quest, instead with Hulda i've got the dialogue that should make the quest start, but the quest doesn't start at all >_>