DocClox Posted March 6, 2012 Author Posted March 6, 2012 mmm... ok. that would give us a reward for a Merida based deadric quest, then. Do something she likes, get a servant, or a supply of seeds, or something like that. We'd just need to know what she wanted in return. There's an obvious tie in with shin's vampire queen, given her hatred of undead I suppose...
cyanure Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 the spriggan quest could be done two way -As a guild members,trying to catch a spriggan using "a bait",with the bait "used" as a carrier in a parts of the deal -As a slave of the guild as "a bait",maybe with some kind of "twisted" present of Merida(Merida is a Daedra after all,and tempering in someway with the guild(well more exactly) human,for fun or her own twisted plan is something I think that could happen) as for what she want,let s said "Vampire hunt here",in the idea of putting a vampire in slavery(may tie to a new quest there,again two side the bait to catch the vampire side(a.k.a. the slave) and the user of said bait(the slaver) each time if you play the saver,you have a follower,and better keep it in good functioning state,maybe the same,maybe an other and as a slave,well,you have a master for those mission.add an NPC follower,master that you ll need to go from point A to point B ,and back
Azgal99 Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 Hello, first: great idea for a plugin. i hope you will finish it soon^^. Now my question: Can i use the UNP-Body for the animations as well as CBBE? I hope so, because i think dizmonized`s type is more beautiful, but if there are some problems i have to choose the other ^^ Sorry for ma english. And go on! You do an good job! GREAT
DocClox Posted March 6, 2012 Author Posted March 6, 2012 the spriggan quest could be done two way -As a guild members' date='trying to catch a spriggan using "a bait",with the bait "used" as a carrier in a parts of the deal [/quote'] Slaves as bait always sounds good to me as for what she want' date='let s said "Vampire hunt here",in the idea of putting a vampire in slavery (may tie to a new quest there,again two side the bait to catch the vampire side(a.k.a. the slave) and the user of said bait(the slaver) [/quote'] I think she'd just want them dead, is the trouble. The question for all of these deadric princes is how do they relate to sex? Merida... light, life energy, hates undead... spriggans ... nature We could turn this inside out. There's a grove somewhere, once sacred to merida, now corrupted on account of necromancers. Maybe they've found a way to corrupt the grove's spriggans, binding spirits of the dead into them. So the mission is twofold. First of all you need to cleanse the grove of the dark spriggans and evil trees (I knew I'd find an excuse for evil trees somewhere!). Then you need to capture the conveniently all-girl necromancer team that perpetrated this outrage. And then Merida will give you a spriggan seed for each of them to be "planted" inside them. You'll need to keep the necromancers secure while the seeds germinate and grow. When the necromancers are fully sprigganised you can let them go and they'll clean up the grove for Merida. And as a reward, she'll give you a few seeds and instructions in how to use them. The guild could end up with its own tame rapeflower. Or rapevine. Or both. With a house spriggan to look after them. That more or less works, I think. first: great idea for a plugin. i hope you will finish it soon^^. Me too Now my question: Can i use the UNP-Body for the animations as well as CBBE? I hope so' date=' because i think dizmonized`s type is more beautiful, but if there are some problems i have to choose the other ^^ [/quote'] Both should work, but things like collars and chains will likely fit CBBE better. Animations should not be a problem so far as i know. I expect that once we have an inventory, we'll find people keen to do the UNP conversions. And go on! You do an good job! GREAT Thank you!
cyanure Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 well Spriggan like that could work I do not thing the daedra want the human death,if humanity was eradicated(and most of them can do it very quickly),where will they grab their soul,new play things,enterteinement,dark cult follower labs rats and so on? except some very dark daedra(exclude the cheese loving one here),I think all Daedra have a sexual interrest in humanity in various way,now some are very twisted... now theso called gods and godess in Skyrim,they seem to have forgotten humanity(3 gods quest?) mmm,now I think of it, Spoiler and weird things ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Location whiterun,Kynareth temple Quest for Kynareth: Roughly: you have to go get some saps from The Tree,a sacred thing for the Kynareth cult (Igdrasil?,you only see it s roots) for that you need a special kniffe done by an Harfang and necromancer cult that can cut throught the bark of said tree Said tree is protected by...Spriggan,so Kynareth respect the Spriggan, the servitor of Merida? or... Kynareth is Merida?
ThatOneFurryInEveryFandom Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 Kynareth rules nature and the sky. Meridia rules light and energy. Spriggans are nature/earth atronochs. Atronochs will serve anyone they want. Some will serve one, others will serve the other. Atronochs as a whole are flexible like that.
diel Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 I doubt that most of the daedric princes would be particularly sexually interested in humanity, especially as Sanguine is basically the prince of sex and passions already. I would think that most of the other princes should have sex or slavery involved in their quests tangentially, as either an "unfortunate" necessity on the way to their main goal (for some reason the seeds only work when inserted vaginally, how inconvenient), or as something the player will be given the opportunity to engage in and the prince is rather apathetic about (on the way to a daedric artifact the player happens to come across some nude women locked in some cells).
sbseed Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 they can serve people.... well that was a hilarious if unintentional pun. atronochs can also serve mortals as well, whether its to kill or protect nature doesnt really factor in all that much... they do whatever those who keep them around blindly mostly.
sbseed Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 I doubt that most of the daedric princes would be particularly sexually interested in humanity' date=' especially as Sanguine is basically the prince of sex and passions already. I would think that most of the other princes should have sex or slavery involved in their quests tangentially, as either an "unfortunate" necessity on the way to their main goal (for some reason the seeds only work when inserted vaginally, how inconvenient), or as something the player will be given the opportunity to engage in and the prince is rather apathetic about (on the way to a daedric artifact the player happens to come across some nude women locked in some cells). [/quote'] some of them would, while most would lean more towards humiliating them, slavery, causing mental and physical harm, they may even try to use humans as hosts for weird monsters they are trying to breed or create. they could even use them to try to have some kinda of weird offspring to bully, beat, and use as slaves as well. some of might even have a humanoid lover just to piss some of there fellows off or something.
cyanure Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 agree with you here sbseed I think the Deadra are not bend in humanity destruction.and are sexualy interrested in human one way or an others(could be very twisted)
sbseed Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 they consider them to be lesser beings... they view them as being similar to a resource to be watched/developed/and used.
shedidwhat Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 any chance of adding these http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=5408
DocClox Posted March 7, 2012 Author Posted March 7, 2012 I do not thing the daedra want the human death' date='if humanity was eradicated(and most of them can do it very quickly),where will they grab their soul,new play things,enterteinement,dark cult follower labs rats and so on? [/quote'] I don't think they want humanity exterminated. On the other hand, there are Deadra who want death for some specific humans. For instance Merida has twice set quests to kill necromancers (as well as the undead they create) except some very dark daedra(exclude the cheese loving one here)' date='I think all Daedra have a sexual interrest in humanity in various way,now some are very twisted... [/quote'] I think Sheo is one of the more sexually active deadra. This is the god that chooses to be served by two separate legions of scantily clad demi-goddesses, and the one who has a stripper waiting in his throne room, ready at his beck and call. And let us not forget "nymphomania" is a mania. In fact all aspects of sexual obsession, compulsion and addiction fall squarely into his realm. In general though, I think the deadra are only interested in sex to the extent that it intersects with thier primary interest. So sangine has a strong interest as the prince of pleasure and debauchery. Hermeus Mora on the other hand ... probably has an interest in sex magic (because of the magic rather than the sex) and maybe pillow books, more because they contain information than because he's interested in the activities described. Kynareth rules nature and the sky. Meridia rules light and energy. Spriggans are nature/earth atronochs. Atronochs will serve anyone they want. Some will serve one' date=' others will serve the other. [/quote'] Not disagreeing as such, but there is often overlap between the areas of interest between aedra and dearda. Kynareth is the aedric goddess of nature, but that doesn't exclude Merida from having an interest. Look at it that way, and it seems clear that Eldergleam belongs to Merida. Otherwise there'd be no problem with a priestess of Kynareth getting access to the tree. In which case, of course, the Eldergleam Spriggans would still serve Merida. I doubt that most of the daedric princes would be particularly sexually interested in humanity' date=' especially as Sanguine is basically the prince of sex and passions already. I would think that most of the other princes should have sex or slavery involved in their quests tangentially, as either an "unfortunate" necessity on the way to their main goal (for some reason the seeds only work when inserted vaginally, how inconvenient), or as something the player will be given the opportunity to engage in and the prince is rather apathetic about (on the way to a daedric artifact the player happens to come across some nude women locked in some cells). [/quote'] That's more or less how I see it. On the other hand, I think most of them have some use for sex as part of their area of interest. For instance, Mephala is quite content to use sex as a tool of intrigue. "Dangerous Liasons" could have been a Mephala plot. (And might make a good template for a quest, come to think of it). The ones I have difficulty with are Merunes Dagon, Azura, and Boethia. Merunes I can't see being interested in sex except in a Jack-The-Ripper sort of way (and I'm not keen on a quest that sets the PC up as the ripper), Boethia interest in competition could be useful in some of the arena scenarios we've discussed ... Azura though is just too broadly based to get a handle on. She could want anything, really. some of them would' date=' while most would lean more towards humiliating them, slavery, causing mental and physical harm, they may even try to use humans as hosts for weird monsters they are trying to breed or create. they could even use them to try to have some kinda of weird offspring to bully, beat, and use as slaves as well. [/quote'] Molag Bal for the physcial harm and humilation, Sheo for the mental cruelty and Namira for the weird monsters they consider them to be lesser beings... they view them as being similar to a resource to be watched/developed/and used. Quite agree [edit] any chance of adding these http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=5408 I can't see why not if Spectrum Warrior is willing. I might want to see about re-texturing a few things if they look too modern in manufacture. Apart from that, it seems like something that would fit in well.
sbseed Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 well it makes sense, and every-time they try to enter tamriel whats the first thing they do but setup shop in a cave or something... gathering followers ans sacrifices among other things. even in the TES lore/canon they think that humanoids should submit to them, thats what oblivion was all about... well not all of it, but thats why they were sending the siege engine tank worm thing in to crush any resistance and setup shop permanently... lead by mehrunes dagon, who is kind of a pansy in the oblivion crisis.
TheLordofMist Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 Not disagreeing as such, but there is often overlap between the areas of interest between aedra and dearda. Kynareth is the aedric goddess of nature, but that doesn't exclude Merida from having an interest. Look at it that way, and it seems clear that Eldergleam belongs to Merida. Otherwise there'd be no problem with a priestess of Kynareth getting access to the tree. In which case, of course, the Eldergleam Spriggans would still serve Merida. The trouble here is that the "Priestess of Kynareth" in question has sent you with a foul weapon (Taken from Hagravens, who are unnatural monstrosities that sacrifice Spriggans to their Old Gods) to LOP OFF a portion of the sacred tree. I don't know about you, but that SCREAMS "Angry Kynareth" to me, far more than it screams 'Daedra'. And remember, although it was said that Meridia uses the Spriggans... they are not classified ANYWHERE as being Daedra (which all modern atronachs save the flesh atronach are), nor are they ever described as being her 'servants'. Rather, Meridia like all Daedra, is said to 'use' them. As in manipulate and control for his/her own purposes. Atronachs come in two forms: The Elemental Daedra, which live in Oblivion and serve the Daedric Princes (occasionally being summoned by industrious conjurers)... and the Man-Made 'Golem' Atronachs, such as existed in earlier games such as Arena and Daggerfall and the like. (While this particular entry doesn't state EXPLICITLY that this is in fact a Daedra, there is already an 'Iron Golem' creature extant in Arena. That this one so closely resembles the other Daedric creatures of the Daggerfall atronach generation, I believe it is safe enough to presume it is meant to be the 'Earth Atronach' in question here. Taken directly from the UESP: "Iron Atronach An Iron Atronach, also called an Earth Atronach, this golem creature damages anyone who dares get too close to it from its magical aura. Electricity based spells do not damage but heal it instead. It can be harmed by any type of weapon." Spriggins are more in line with natural, "mythic" creatures... such as Minotaurs and Imps and the like. They're guardians of the grove.
sbseed Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 she is also a deadra... older/stronger but still from the same place. mehrunes is from oblivion realm as well. if its sick and twisted they will attempt it, the hagraven speaks to that. twisting and manipulating humans to create things like that... sorta like the dwermer.
TheLordofMist Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 she is also a deadra... older/stronger but still from the same place. mehrunes is from oblivion realm as well. if its sick and twisted they will attempt it' date=' the hagraven speaks to that. twisting and manipulating humans to create things like that... sorta like the dwermer. [/quote'] There's a fundamental difference betweeh the Aedra and the Daedra, one that cannot be simply written off as 'They come from the same place'. The Daedra are immortal, constantly changing and being reborn. They can never be killed, only banished back to the Waters of Oblivion. Aedra are the ancient powers that gave rise to Mundus. They're the mortal, unchanging force that keeps all things in balance. The very planets of the solar system in which Nirn exists are made of the flesh and bone of the Aedra. No Daedric creature would ever kneel down to an Aedra, and no Aedra would willingly cavort with a Daedra. They hate each other. The Daedra are seen as cowardly and weak, hiding behind their immortality to conceal their greatest fear: death. True and unending death. The Aedra, on the other hand, are seen as being frail and impermanent. The Daedra look down on them, consider them shadows of their former selves. The Daedra put all of their emphasis on power, raw and unending. They are the embodyment of immortality. Not even the least of the Daedra would shame themselves so greatly as to serve an Aedra. Not unless they were faced with mortality and death. Kynareth is an Aedra. Meridia is a Daedra. I find it incredibly unlikely that the two would ever willingly share a creature such as the Spriggan. Furthermore, Spriggans are not merely 'servants'... they are Guardians of nature. That speaks far more of Aedric desire to preserve and persist than it does of Daedra, who preside over the forces of change and chaos. There are some Daedra who, by choice, serve their Aedric siblings. But for the most part, this is rare, and largely ritualistic. I do agree about the pervasive and corrupt power of the Daedra though. There's no doubt that they, through the manipulation of their minions, could very easily warp a creature like the Spriggan for their own foul purposes. After all, if Daedra are all about the force of change, then what better speaks of this than the corruption of a divinely inspired creature like the Spriggan?
sbseed Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 um... isnt that what i said, not about the aedra and deadra. about how the deadra want to 'conquer' tamriel and challenge the 'gods' etc.
TheLordofMist Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 um... isnt that what i said' date=' not about the aedra and deadra. about how the deadra want to 'conquer' tamriel and challenge the 'gods' etc. [/quote'] To be honest, I'm delirious with pain right now... so it's entirely possible I have no idea what you were talking about at all. So I'm just going to smile and nod my head for now. Heh heh. Not like it matters, anyways. So long as it's interesting and fun to play!
diel Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 interested in the activities described. I doubt that most of the daedric princes would be particularly sexually interested in humanity' date=' especially as Sanguine is basically the prince of sex and passions already. I would think that most of the other princes should have sex or slavery involved in their quests tangentially, as either an "unfortunate" necessity on the way to their main goal (for some reason the seeds only work when inserted vaginally, how inconvenient), or as something the player will be given the opportunity to engage in and the prince is rather apathetic about (on the way to a daedric artifact the player happens to come across some nude women locked in some cells). [/quote'] That's more or less how I see it. On the other hand, I think most of them have some use for sex as part of their area of interest. For instance, Mephala is quite content to use sex as a tool of intrigue. "Dangerous Liasons" could have been a Mephala plot. (And might make a good template for a quest, come to think of it). The ones I have difficulty with are Merunes Dagon, Azura, and Boethia. Merunes I can't see being interested in sex except in a Jack-The-Ripper sort of way (and I'm not keen on a quest that sets the PC up as the ripper), Boethia interest in competition could be useful in some of the arena scenarios we've discussed ... Azura though is just too broadly based to get a handle on. She could want anything, really. Well what I had sort of meant was that sex doesn't even have to have anything to do with the quest, as the daedric prince gave it, but would be something which happened to occur while you were carrying it out. so like for Boethia you could charged with infiltrating a group or cult or something and killing its head, then it being a cult it might happen to have some sexy stuff, maybe women must offer themselves once before they can join or they keep slaves around. The point being that the princes themselves most of the time won't be interested in sex explicitly but they will be interested in either people or an artifact and those people can certainly be interested. and the artifact can be guarded either by people or sexy time traps actually back to the Boethia quest, it might be fitting to have Boethia tell you to help some other guy who has a secret plan to infiltrate a cult. That way you can have a partner and you could have the player getting back-stabbed or making secret deals to back-stab the partner. You could even have the partner try and sell the player into slavery.
DocClox Posted March 7, 2012 Author Posted March 7, 2012 Well what I had sort of meant was that sex doesn't even have to have anything to do with the quest' date=' as the daedric prince gave it, but would be something which happened to occur while you were carrying it out. [/quote'] mmm... yeah. I just think that it's more interesting to take the opportunity to find out what the Prince in question thinks about sex. We have an opportunity to learn something new about the Deadra, which we don't get if they just give normal quests that turn out to have sexy complications. I mean Jyggalag, for example, I can imagine being very cold and clinical on the subject, seeing it in terms of reproduction for his followers. He'd probably be in favour of radical eugenics programs. Cold, rational, and deeply wrong on an emotional level. I think if we assume they are none of them interested in sex, I think we lose an opportunity. so like for Boethia you could charged with infiltrating a group or cult or something and killing its head' date=' then it being a cult it might happen to have some sexy stuff, maybe women must offer themselves once before they can join or they keep slaves around. The point being that the princes themselves most of the time won't be interested in sex explicitly but they will be interested in either people or an artifact and those people can certainly be interested. and the artifact can be guarded either by people or sexy time traps [/quote'] Or, alternatively, for Boethia everything is a contest. Everything is a case of, well, dominance or submission. So we could have a quest to turn the tables on a Dominatrix, maybe. By force of will rather than force of arms. Similarly the slaver process of using pleasure to break down the resistance of a slave .. that's all very Boethian. We could take it further: Molag Bal may be interested in slavery and subjugation in general, but he has no real interest in the process of breaking. Boethia however would relish the challenge. Molag Bal wants you to be miserable and defeated. Boethia wants you to be strong so he/she can have the pleasure of defeating you. We can work with that, I think. actually back to the Boethia quest' date=' it might be fitting to have Boethia tell you to help some other guy who has a secret plan to infiltrate a cult. That way you can have a partner and you could have the player getting back-stabbed or making secret deals to back-stab the partner. You could even have the partner try and sell the player into slavery. [/quote'] That sounds like something that could work well for Mephala, as well. I could really get into the idea of a character driven Dangerous Liasons style Mephala quest.
Volk_ Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 Hi there, first of all: a lot of great ideas y’all! I really do hope, that at least a fraction of them can and will be put into practice. I have been watching from the sidelines for quite a while, contemplating if I should add to the conversation. I was/am hesitant because a) my English is very poor and I will presumably - due to lack of time - not be able to be of any help with the actual work (and man do I hate those types *gg*). But there are two things which I need to get off my chest because they seem so obvious to me and should be easy implemented (but no mod ever does): I’ll take the LoversRapers mods for Oblivion as an example. They are really great! But they all break immersion at various points - starting with the second after the PC is being assaulted. One moment she (he) is standing there, minding her own business, fully clothed (in 500 lbs of plate armor), the next moment she is flying through the air and just another blink of the eye later, she is lying on the floor, stark naked with a pervert humping her. The transition (rather the lack of it) makes it very “jolty”. With new sex-mods for Skyrim emerging (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=10748) it’s the same problem but worse. The latter is understandable, giving the short time the CK is out and the problems getting the animations in and working at all! But anyways, it’s: Talking to a guy *bam!* naked *bam!* shagging away. Ideally you would want to see transition animations. But even I as a non-animator/non-scripter realize, that this is next to impossible. This had me wondering why nobody is just simulating the feeling of movie cut-scenes. In its most basic form, it could look like this: the PC is being assaulted, the game switches to the camera/perspective used by killmoves for a close-up of the NPC hitting the PC, then she/he is thrown to the ground. You see him/her lying there, the screen slowly fading to black. Now you just hear sounds that fit the narrative, like the clinging/grinding of metal or rustling of cloth and/or grunting noises of the rapist (cursing? stuck zipper?), unconscious moaning of the PC or maybe even banter if there was more than one attacker. After a few seconds the screen would fade back to the sex scene. That should solve the breaking of the immersion problem without having to create too much content (apart from some sound files). My other point: It strikes me as odd, that the idea of the minigame is often mentioned (even in this thread) but seldom given too much thought. I think the combination of the character developing her/his sex stats and the player having to improve his/her own skills as well may drastically increase the (re)play value of any mod. The thought of having to ”level up” a bit *and* having to get better at the minigame to tackle a new, stronger opponent is one that could keep you hooked. That was one of the things Sexdarkness for Oblivion did right. If only the “minigame” itself would have been more fun (rather if it had been a miniGAME at all). ;-) As for the "how"...there should be some ideas whizzing around the flash-sexgame-scene which could be easily adapted. What do you think? Cheers, Volk_
Jerlis Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 Most of the things you mentioned here Volk are already being discussed. If I followed this thread well (I could be too sleep and mistread something but hey! We're just humans) The rape and assault mechanics will be different. 1st of all rape will happen after the character "dies" or loses a fist fight means loses the health and enters so called bleedout state (the one you may observe on essential NPC when they lose the fight or on any human-like NPC when they get less than 5% health). Also immersion-wise I'd not allow any assaults in cities and when guards are line of sight. However I'd leave the stalking where an NPC starts following you around and attacks only when you're outside the city. Just a thought and I may be this subject is not exactly for this thread
magnemoe Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 any chance of adding these http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=5408 Ty for this, lots of cool stuff, has to see that I can get out of it.
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