HDT "Penetration"

[Aceto]

What's about only a open and close functionality of the vagina. It must not adapted flexibly or completely.

I think it is an illusion to have a such a real behaviour as everybody expected concerning all this sizes of penises and not perfect justified sex positions.

[b00marrows]

What's about only a open and close functionality of the vagina. It must not adapted flexibly or completely.

I think it is an illusion to have a such a real behaviour as everybody expected concerning all this sizes of penises and not perfect justified sex positions.

 

Jeez I had to read this like 4 or 5 times before I realised its not my brain at fault here.....

 

And it still confuses me... opening and closing is what the target it. 

The adaptability of having it use physics is flexability and compatibility, you should be able to use any size/shape "instrument" to penetrate the vagina (with some minor pre-requisites)

 

From what I understand if we wait for more functionality to be added into HDT:PE it should be ALLOT EASIER. am i wrong?

[Aceto]

 

What's about only a open and close functionality of the vagina. It must not adapted flexibly or completely.

I think it is an illusion to have a such a real behaviour as everybody expected concerning all this sizes of penises and not perfect justified sex positions.

 

Jeez I had to read this like 4 or 5 times before I realised its not my brain at fault here.....

 

And it still confuses me... opening and closing is what the target it. 

The adaptability of having it use physics is flexability and compatibility, you should be able to use any size/shape "instrument" to penetrate the vagina (with some minor pre-requisites)

 

From what I understand if we wait for more functionality to be added into HDT:PE it should be ALLOT EASIER. am i wrong?

 

 

Sorry, now I've got it. Thanks for your reply.

 

[sfbsfb]

I fully support this thread. HDT might not have been made for this, but everyone knows what the internet is really for...

 

Now time for a motivational video!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isujdfWGqss

 

In all seriousness though, I would be curious to see what some of these suggestions would look like on an actual model with textures and skeleton with the proper nodes, would the slides or rigid bodies that are pushed apart by the "object" be tied to an individual or several nodes on a model, (allowing a bow bending like effect on the attached texture, or better yet some sort of spherical enlargement of the cavity), or would they have to be attached to all nodes associated with a particular bone and all of them slide together (I'm picturing robot jaws vagina, not sexy!)? I hope I made sense here. See stupid picture example:

 

[Eikichi Onizuka]

 

What's about only a open and close functionality of the vagina. It must not adapted flexibly or completely.

I think it is an illusion to have a such a real behaviour as everybody expected concerning all this sizes of penises and not perfect justified sex positions.

 

Jeez I had to read this like 4 or 5 times before I realised its not my brain at fault here.....

 

And it still confuses me... opening and closing is what the target it. 

The adaptability of having it use physics is flexability and compatibility, you should be able to use any size/shape "instrument" to penetrate the vagina (with some minor pre-requisites)

 

From what I understand if we wait for more functionality to be added into HDT:PE it should be ALLOT EASIER. am i wrong?

 

HDT is evolving, if you are unable to take advantage of physics, this would eliminate all of the work necessary to create individual hand animation of vagina to draw each type of penis, and it is not a trivial matter..!

[canderes]

I think I found a better approach than to use HDT. Whoever is rigging a model with a good mesh should use the reaction manager to setup a few links like the ones in the fingers to open up holes. Four bones coming from the center of the hole + nubs and a reaction manager setup with rotation can do it pretty well, but the geometry must be correct for it to deform how it is supposed to. This does use keyframe animation + new bones + skeleton.hkx instead of HDT so it might take longer to setup.

[DovahbornDragonkiin]

Is anyone still working on this? cause i'm really excited.

[b00marrows]

I think I found a better approach than to use HDT. Whoever is rigging a model with a good mesh should use the reaction manager to setup a few links like the ones in the fingers to open up holes. Four bones coming from the center of the hole + nubs and a reaction manager setup with rotation can do it pretty well, but the geometry must be correct for it to deform how it is supposed to. This does use keyframe animation + new bones + skeleton.hkx instead of HDT so it might take longer to setup.

 

i have no idea what you just said...

 

it sounded complicated and annoying which is why i asked abut this as a function in HDTP, simplicity, compatibility and complexity for those who want it. along with customisability OFC.

 

 

Is anyone still working on this? cause i'm really excited.

 

I don't think anyone is working on it fully.

 

I personally am waiting for more function in the HDTP plugin, hopefull'y that will make it a walk in the part by using Yoo's example.

 

Your best be would be the Cbbe genitals thread here, They seemed quite interested in this.

[Eikichi Onizuka]

Who will be able to make this a Reality will remain in History! 

[Gᴀʟᴠᴀɴɪᴢᴇ]

We need this!

[m3dicat3d]

Just throwing in my two cents as well, I'm really excited about this one! Here's wishing you all the best in making this see the light of day!

[Bewe]

A lot of 3D sex games out there don't even have this...to be honest i think its much easier to just have butt physics and the vagina animated with timing.

[hafertaler]

for a single animation with a single male and a single female body it's easier I assume.

But taking those 300+ different female bodies into account, those 5 different male bodies and penises, SOS with randomly assigned penises with differing length, it should be obvious that only a small percentage of users would be happy with the result. And even if someone takes the lead and defines his standard of bodies and penises to use (by rigging an animation with his preferred bodies), what if someone else comes along and decides that body x sucks and starts rigging his animations with different bodies?

 

The ideal solution would be to let HDT take care of it, that's at least what I imagine, the initial workload is much higher - I'm sure of that although I'm not trying to make anyone believe that I know what I'm talking about - but the benefit would be immense and in the long run it would mean less work overall, since in theory this would work for all animations that exist at the moment and in the future.

 

We have many unbelievably smart contributors in this forum and they surprised me with their ingenuity time and time again, so all I can do is hope that someone comes along who's up to the task, since I'm sadly enough not one of those smart contributors I just mentioned ; )

[Eikichi Onizuka]

for a single animation with a single male and a single female body it's easier I assume.

But taking those 300+ different female bodies into account, those 5 different male bodies and penises, SOS with randomly assigned penises with differing length, it should be obvious that only a small percentage of users would be happy with the result. And even if someone takes the lead and defines his standard of bodies and penises to use (by rigging an animation with his preferred bodies), what if someone else comes along and decides that body x sucks and starts rigging his animations with different bodies?

 

The ideal solution would be to let HDT take care of it, that's at least what I imagine, the initial workload is much higher - I'm sure of that although I'm not trying to make anyone believe that I know what I'm talking about - but the benefit would be immense and in the long run it would mean less work overall, since in theory this would work for all animations that exist at the moment and in the future.

 

We have many unbelievably smart contributors in this forum and they surprised me with their ingenuity time and time again, so all I can do is hope that someone comes along who's up to the task, since I'm sadly enough not one of those smart contributors I just mentioned ; )

This is the greatest challenge of all, who we can, at a minimum it should take in Bethesda in a technical high profile role!

[enchiwhatever]

Horse penis would be more believable if you make the hips expand. lol

[jdods13]

If this was rigged properly to function with HDT... then essentially any body mod that has 3D genitals can be weighted to allow for penetration... I see the need to focus on making the XPMS pussy bones work properly with HDT then adapt that to any bodies that have actual modeled genitals... this would mean that bodies simply need to have the proper weight mapping and everyone can benefit from HDT penetration no matter what body mod they use. PUSSY FOR ALL!

[b00marrows]

If this was rigged properly to function with HDT... then essentially any body mod that has 3D genitals can be weighted to allow for penetration... I see the need to focus on making the XPMS pussy bones work properly with HDT then adapt that to any bodies that have actual modeled genitals... this would mean that bodies simply need to have the proper weight mapping and everyone can benefit from HDT penetration no matter what body mod they use. PUSSY FOR ALL!

 

Exactly.

 

But remember for this to work HDTPE needs some more development.

[Eikichi Onizuka]

 

If this was rigged properly to function with HDT... then essentially any body mod that has 3D genitals can be weighted to allow for penetration... I see the need to focus on making the XPMS pussy bones work properly with HDT then adapt that to any bodies that have actual modeled genitals... this would mean that bodies simply need to have the proper weight mapping and everyone can benefit from HDT penetration no matter what body mod they use. PUSSY FOR ALL!

 

Exactly.

 

But remember for this to work HDTPE needs some more development.

 

Who is the creator of HDT PE ?

 

and who are the users that are currently working on its development..?

 

but.. at least they know of the existence of Real Vagina 3D model, so as to implement a special routin for a new HDT which allows the movement of  3D Vagina during the collsione with SOS ?

[jdods13]

It would seem that we just need a meeting of minds. clp2011, MasterAaran, blabba, groovtama and b3lisario make up my dream team to see this project to successful completion... The vagina could collide with well... anything. fingers, objects, penises... anyway. It would be nice to see HDT penetration get the love that it deserves as a completely seperate mod feature. Then bodies like touched by dibella and realistic female genitals can be weight mapped and work instantly... lets hope that day comes soon.

[b00marrows]

ah... there i go again....

Blowjobs.

Why i dident think of this before, i do not know... but yeah BLOWJOBS, hdt for jaw and lip movement anyone? MAYBE EVEN COLLISION FOR THROAT BULGE????

 

maybe that's a bit too much...

[blabba]

ah... there i go again....

 

Blowjobs.

Why i dident think of this before, i do not know... but yeah BLOWJOBS, hdt for jaw and lip movement anyone? MAYBE EVEN COLLISION FOR THROAT BULGE????

 

maybe that's a bit too much...

I lolled hard.

You just had the same idea canderes was trying to make work xD

 

Maybe,might be possible.

 

Anyway as far as I know, nobody is actively developing this project (hdt vaginas) right now. I believe canderes posted as to why his attempts failed. There could be some other workaround, not sure. Maybe this is possible maybe it isn't

[Eikichi Onizuka]

ah... there i go again....

 

Blowjobs.

Why i dident think of this before, i do not know... but yeah BLOWJOBS, hdt for jaw and lip movement anyone? MAYBE EVEN COLLISION FOR THROAT BULGE????

 

maybe that's a bit too much...

in theory if they can work the 3D model Vagina, you can do it on the mouth, or at least a part of it, I think it is possbile

 

 

to me.. it would be enough just to have a little distortion on the cheeks and a little Throat Bulge

 

[blabba]

 

in theory if they can work the 3D model Vagina, you can do it on the mouth, or at least a part of it, I think it is possbile

 

 

to me.. it would be enough just to have a little distortion on the cheeks and a little Throat Bulge

 

 

On second thought, doing throat bulge would be incredibly difficult.

 

You'd need to animate the penis so it actually points and goes down along the throat cavity for something like that gif to happen.

 

And I don't think to date someone has figured out how to animate SOS penis seperately ...

Though who knows it may be possible. but you would still need required animations (and that's all if someone can figure out the RB structure and constraints for opening closing stuff)

[Eikichi Onizuka]

 

in theory if they can work the 3D model Vagina, you can do it on the mouth, or at least a part of it, I think it is possbile

 

 

to me.. it would be enough just to have a little distortion on the cheeks and a little Throat Bulge

 

On second thought, doing throught bulge would be incredibly difficult.

 

You'd need to animate the penis so it actually points and goes down along the throat cavity for something like that gif to happen.

 

And I don't think to date someone has figured out how to animate SOS penis seperately ...

Though who knows it may be possible. but you would still need required animations (and that's all if someone can figure out the RB structure and constraints for opening closing stuff)

 

 

You're right,

 

I forgot that throat bulge would function as the belly bulge,, so if the penis is not pointing towards the right direction and the appropriate size in proportion to body feminle to penetrate, you would not see practically nothing!

 

make a traditional animation of the throat bulge only for animations blowjob-deepthroat, should not be dificilissime to be realized, the problem is figuring out how you would see in different body types.

[Guest kimbale]

 

 

in theory if they can work the 3D model Vagina, you can do it on the mouth, or at least a part of it, I think it is possbile

 

 

to me.. it would be enough just to have a little distortion on the cheeks and a little Throat Bulge

 

 

On second thought, doing throught bulge would be incredibly difficult.

 

You'd need to animate the penis so it actually points and goes down along the throat cavity for something like that gif to happen.

 

 

And I don't think to date someone has figured out how to animate SOS penis seperately ...

Though who knows it may be possible. but you would still need required animations (and that's all if someone can figure out the RB structure and constraints for opening closing stuff)

 

 

That is possible, someone even made anims with it recently. Only problem is that SOS uses animations to scale and control the schlong, so any "generic" animation would resize the schlong, not to mention probably bending it any which way...

I've thought about doing something similar for the vag mod, but that would require a shitton of additional scripting (not so many animations, surprisingly, i think SOS has about 5 per shape). And SOS alone is already a borderline performance killer...