[mod] Carnalitas Prostitution Reimagined

[pharaox]

I just released version 0.3.0 of this mod, see file. In this version, I added several new features, notably a "Interact with Prostitute" convenience interaction to find working prostitutes and interact with them, as well as a new "A Night's Diversion" task contract for landless adventurers to entertain rulers. For more information, see the description and change notes.

 

In addition, I added a new complementary mod "Carnalitas Historical Prostitution Doctrines" that enables such doctrines for all faiths.

[xyzxyz]

Is "Added Interact with Prostitute interaction for the player to easily find working prostitutes and interact with them." working? I can't find it anywhere. Maybe add a screenshot?

[pharaox]

37 minutes ago, xyzxyz said:

s "Added Interact with Prostitute interaction for the player to easily find working prostitutes and interact with them." working? I can't find it anywhere. Maybe add a screenshot?

 

Right-click on your player character ... Perhaps "Interact with Prostitutes" would have been a better name.

 

 

[xyzxyz]

2175 prostitutes found. Oof. My game almost broke down.

And no, prostitution is not part of my religion^^

Edited April 5, 2025 by xyzxyz

[pharaox]

7 hours ago, xyzxyz said:

2175 prostitutes found. Oof. My game almost broke down.

 

Interesting. After 50 years of vanilla observer mode, I never get more than ~200 in the entire world (much fewer in anyone's diplo range), and the number is stable after that. The interaction filters only "working" prostitutes, not all characters with the Prostitute lifestyle traits. Most spawned prostitutes stop working after a few years for various reasons (e.g. they join a court) with the default Shunned doctrine.

 

To have such a high number of working prostitutes, you are probably using other mods that modify prostitution in some way, or your default doctrine is Accepted. Note that your faith doesn't matter, the faiths of those prostitutes do.

 

Unfortunately, the game has issues when more than a few hundred characters are found by a custom interaction. There is nothing I could do except limiting the search range, similarly to how I do it in Travelers via a game rule.

[xyzxyz]

2 hours ago, pharaox said:

 

Interesting. After 50 years of vanilla observer mode, I never get more than ~200 in the entire world (much fewer in anyone's diplo range), and the number is stable after that. The interaction filters only "working" prostitutes, not all characters with the Prostitute lifestyle traits. Most spawned prostitutes stop working after a few years for various reasons (e.g. they join a court) with the default Shunned doctrine.

 

To have such a high number of working prostitutes, you are probably using other mods that modify prostitution in some way, or your default doctrine is Accepted. Note that your faith doesn't matter, the faiths of those prostitutes do.

 

Unfortunately, the game has issues when more than a few hundred characters are found by a custom interaction. There is nothing I could do except limiting the search range, similarly to how I do it in Travelers via a game rule.

Limiting the range is a great idea. Hiring prostitutes from china or central africa while living in scotland is a bit unrealistic^^

Prostitution is accepted in my doctrin but not everywhere in the world.

Maybe add a choice to show the girls at your court first?

Edited April 6, 2025 by xyzxyz

[xyzxyz]

Both decisions "make love" and "invite to court" are greyed out with most prostitute I tried.

Edited April 6, 2025 by xyzxyz

[pharaox]

6 hours ago, xyzxyz said:

Both decisions "make love" and "invite to court" are greyed out with most prostitute I tried.

 

Yes, since you can only make love to someone nearby and if it's not on cooldown (unless you disable these via the game rules), and invite someone who would accept the invitation. To see why you can't interact, target the character and check the tooltips of the greyed out interaction.

 

The purpose of this convenience interaction is really mostly to find working prostitutes, since without it it's quite hard. It will not allow you to interact in ways that are not possible via the normal interactions.

[pharaox]

8 hours ago, xyzxyz said:

Limiting the range is a great idea. Hiring prostitutes from china or central africa while living in scotland is a bit unrealistic^^

Prostitution is accepted in my doctrin but not everywhere in the world.

Maybe add a choice to show the girls at your court first?

 

You could consider limiting your diplomatic range (to default or "Restricted", if you can interact at such great distances yours is likely "Unrestricted"). This will also immediately help with the performance issue.

[xyzxyz]

2 hours ago, pharaox said:

 

You could consider limiting your diplomatic range (to default or "Restricted", if you can interact at such great distances yours is likely "Unrestricted"). This will also immediately help with the performance issue.

It is restricted. My empire is just really large^^ Except southern most africa I can talk and invite people from everywhere. The year is 1410 or so^^

Edited April 6, 2025 by xyzxyz

[xyzxyz]

2 hours ago, pharaox said:

 

Yes, since you can only make love to someone nearby and if it's not on cooldown (unless you disable these via the game rules), and invite someone who would accept the invitation. To see why you can't interact, target the character and check the tooltips of the greyed out interaction.

 

The purpose of this convenience interaction is really mostly to find working prostitutes, since without it it's quite hard. It will not allow you to interact in ways that are not possible via the normal interactions.

Would it be possible to search only for women that can be invited and/or make love?

[pharaox]

1 hour ago, xyzxyz said:

Would it be possible to search only for women that can be invited and/or make love?

 

As I mentioned, my goal was to be able to find them. If you are a landless adventurer, you may want to go to them, and then invite them as guests (using the Travelers interaction). If you want to Invite to Court, use "Invite Characters to Court" (again from Travelers). If you want to Make Love, use the "important action".

[Xelren]

Hello, The Korean localization for your 'Carnalitas Prostitution Reimagined' mod is now complete. I'd be very thankful if you could include it in the next update. Thanks!

korean(carnalitas_prostitution_doctrines).zip korean(carnalitas_prostitution_reimagined).zip

[pharaox]

On 4/21/2025 at 4:44 PM, Xelren said:

Hello, The Korean localization for your 'Carnalitas Prostitution Reimagined' mod is now complete. I'd be very thankful if you could include it in the next update. Thanks!

 

Thanks for the translation! Yes, will include it in the next version.

[christ81douglas]

thanks for the active support of your mod

I'm not playing around as prostitute so I probably not gonna download this, just wanna help reporting, the link for version that used for ck3 1.14 & carnalitas 2.8 is dead, maybe kindly re-upload it or direct it to the correct version like your other mod yesterday

 

also I got a question, what is the benefit for owning a slave prostitute other than to help us relieve stress? I mean I have wife or concubine for it

do they generate income per year or something? if yes then I might gonna use this mod just to bump up a bit more of my income, after all no matter how small it is, gold still gold

[Squishy Chop Squid]

just few ideas/ suggestions...

 

1. consider change "interact with prostitute" to "Visit Prostitute(s)"

• maybe you can introduce events where players (as a male character) can hire more than one prostitute (double the stress loss, higher chance to learn a secret...etc.)
• maybe a trap event (at low frequency) where your character will get knocked out and robbed.

2. maybe a different form of prostitution

• instead seeking cheap thrill, players will have the options to visit a brothel  (which will cost more to spend the night.) where upon enough exp, courtesan(s) can teach players a skill or grant a modifier...

3. culture heads, upon complete certain events will have the options to reform and to add "Courtesan" as cultural tradition.

 

a question for you, so far the mod seemed to gear toward male centric events, do you plan to have female centric events in the future?

 

Wish you the best and good luck! Look forward to this mod's development.

 

[luffyboy]

@pharaox can you change the visit brothel decision event to rather than find an existing prostitute in the region to instead generate a new prostitute everytime - or at least if the decision event is done by player.

Im keen to use it to naturally seed prostitutes into the game

[pharaox]

On 4/23/2025 at 3:42 AM, christ81douglas said:

also I got a question, what is the benefit for owning a slave prostitute other than to help us relieve stress? I mean I have wife or concubine for it

do they generate income per year or something? if yes then I might gonna use this mod just to bump up a bit more of my income, after all no matter how small it is, gold still gold

 

Yes, they generate a modest yearly gold income, usually at the price of piety loss, depending on your prostitution doctrines.

[pharaox]

On 4/23/2025 at 3:42 AM, christ81douglas said:

I'm not playing around as prostitute so I probably not gonna download this, just wanna help reporting, the link for version that used for ck3 1.14 & carnalitas 2.8 is dead, maybe kindly re-upload it or direct it to the correct version like your other mod yesterday

 

Thanks for reporting! The correct link is https://github.com/pharaox/carnalitas_pr/releases/download/0.1.1/carnalitas_prostitution_reimagined-0.1.1.zip, updated it also in the description. 

 

The mod has a lot of features that don't require you to play as a prostitute so you may still give it a try, see the description.

[pharaox]

On 4/24/2025 at 8:11 AM, Squishy Chop Squid said:

just few ideas/ suggestions...

 

Thanks for your suggestions, I will consider them! Yes, there is indeed a lot that could be added in terms of flavor.

 

On 4/24/2025 at 8:11 AM, Squishy Chop Squid said:

a question for you, so far the mod seemed to gear toward male centric events, do you plan to have female centric events in the future?

 

I don't really think so, what do you mean by "male centric"? One of the goals of this mod is to make playing as a prostitute interesting, and given the historical period, this mostly means a female prostitute.

 

I especially recommend playing as a landless adventurer prostitute to try the new "A Night's Diversion" contract. I am myself in the middle of such a playthrough and enjoying it a lot. Made a lot of money by wandering the world and entertaining rulers until I gained the Seducer trait, then seduced the Byzantine emperor, got an estate, then a governorship, and finally became Empress myself. With 140+ attraction opinion or so from traits and jewelry I am the most loved Empress ever. 🙂 

[pharaox]

On 4/24/2025 at 12:38 PM, luffyboy said:

@pharaox can you change the visit brothel decision event to rather than find an existing prostitute in the region to instead generate a new prostitute everytime - or at least if the decision event is done by player.

Im keen to use it to naturally seed prostitutes into the game

 

I don't think this is a good idea. There are other mechanisms for seeding prostitutes and the system is balanced so that there are some, but not too many. If I change it as you suggest, the world will fill up with prostitutes pretty quickly.

 

As for doing it only for the player, if there are not enough prostitutes nearby, you can find prostitutes via "Interact with Prostitutes" and "Make Love" to them even if they are not nearby by traveling (if you have CLR).

[pharaox]

I just released version 0.4.0 of this mod, see file. This version is compatible with CK3 1.16.x, if you are still on 1.14.x use the older version specified in the description. For more information, see the description and change notes.

[Katz]

Hey. I have a suggestion. Could you maybe consider to have prostitution restrictions apply to "apparent" age, instead of chronological age? Reason being that there is a lot of mods with supernatural creatures that are immortal like vampires or succubae who might have an age of thousands while still appearing young and immortal. The age 40 restriction really seems odd in this context.

[pharaox]

On 5/12/2025 at 12:41 PM, Katz said:

Hey. I have a suggestion. Could you maybe consider to have prostitution restrictions apply to "apparent" age, instead of chronological age? Reason being that there is a lot of mods with supernatural creatures that are immortal like vampires or succubae who might have an age of thousands while still appearing young and immortal. The age 40 restriction really seems odd in this context.

 

Unfortunately, I am afraid this can't be done. CK3 doesn't have the concept of "apparent age" as far as I know. Each mod handles these age expansions in its own way, and there is no way to support it without a compatch for that particular mod.

[widukind]

Would you be willing to look into making this work with AGOT, since Slavery Reimagined has its own compatch?