SMP Head HPH or UBE

[asdt123123]

On 1/8/2026 at 9:55 AM, Predator-RJ said:

Hi, do you happen to have a old bodyslide, and for some reason you hit "build" in the head ? if so you created some TRI files that should not have been created, they will CTD the game until you remove them, if the case they will be next to the head nif on the meshes folders, if not this case, i dont know, maybe SMP is not working

Both of these people have crashlogs that show something on the head is trying to access something in the head that doesn't exist on modded NPCs (If that makes any sense).

 

I wonder if the crashes are from SMP wigs on NPCs..? Your head mesh has the Selective Update Controller flag enabled, while the default highpoly doesn't. 

 

Or maybe the modded NPC's have broken head mesh components that are only causing crashes now because your head mesh requires extra handling from the engine. 

Edited January 14 by asdt123123

[Predator-RJ]

4 hours ago, asdt123123 said:

Both of these people have crashlogs that show something on the head is trying to access something in the head that doesn't exist on modded NPCs (If that makes any sense).

 

I wonder if the crashes are from SMP wigs on NPCs..? Your head mesh has the Selective Update Controller flag enabled, while the default highpoly doesn't. 

 

Or maybe the modded NPC's have broken head mesh components that are only causing crashes now because your head mesh requires extra handling from the engine. 

Hey, i have zero idea about some people NPC CTDs, for some it works, for some not, maybe it is indeed hairs or wigs, other person game mods or fixes for SMP and NPCs or skeleton mods... or maybe, thinking about what you said, it also needs to replace the "other head", i see followers and so on, that has his own head with sculpted face, then another default head on another folder, as far i tested, to get the SMP you only need to replace the "sculpted" one, not the second one also.

 

it has the flags on the nodes, saw it now since you talked, believe that exporting it from blender it got that flags on the nodes, because i dont remember at all that i manually edited that at some point, and i also dont get that CTDs, so hard to know why

 

Broken parts? probably XD... if you see the normal head exports they are all broken, with world center location, LDD made a patch for these problems recently (Mod link), as for the head mesh also requiring more from the engine, probably can be, the head mesh was not supposed to have SMP as far i know, only "other head parts items", beards, browns and so on.

[theblindbat]

Looking great so far! Have some problems with the mouth closing on climax steps for some reason, though.

 

I was wondering about compatibility with True 3D mouth for High Poly Head?

 

Also, while looking totally rad, sometimes (often) I can see the teeth too plainly. Is it possible to even address this? Make the mouth interior invisible during a scene or something?

 

Thanks again!

[Predator-RJ]

13 hours ago, theblindbat said:

Looking great so far! Have some problems with the mouth closing on climax steps for some reason, though.

 

I was wondering about compatibility with True 3D mouth for High Poly Head?

 

Also, while looking totally rad, sometimes (often) I can see the teeth too plainly. Is it possible to even address this? Make the mouth interior invisible during a scene or something?

 

Thanks again!

Hi thanks! mouth closing on scenes is with your sexlab, or sex framework, some other mod or expression mods, like ahegao, conditional, etc is not installed correctly thus breaking the expressions with blowjob anims, so totally another mod cause, this one has nothing to do with expressions, so if they dont work, it will also not work properly.

 

about 3d mouth, it will work like the default mouth, no need for compat patch

 

if you seeing the teeth inside the mouth, reduce the open mouth expression for the oral animations in sexlab, or used framework.

[ssd9465p]

6 hours ago, Predator-RJ said:

Hi thanks! mouth closing on scenes is with your sexlab, or sex framework, some other mod or expression mods, like ahegao, conditional, etc is not installed correctly thus breaking the expressions with blowjob anims, so totally another mod cause, this one has nothing to do with expressions, so if they dont work, it will also not work properly.

 

about 3d mouth, it will work like the default mouth, no need for compat patch

 

if you seeing the teeth inside the mouth, reduce the open mouth expression for the oral animations in sexlab, or used framework.

I might be misunderstanding, but the 3D Mouth mod uses a separate face part and tris, so it is a replacement for your head and therefore isn't compatible. If I use the 3D Mouth face part, your Racemenu sliders stop working and I would expect the SMP to stop working too.

I'd absolutely love to see the mods combined if it could work at all, but at the moment they seem mutually exclusive.

[Laethas456]

2 hours ago, ssd9465p said:

I might be misunderstanding, but the 3D Mouth mod uses a separate face part and tris, so it is a replacement for your head and therefore isn't compatible. If I use the 3D Mouth face part, your Racemenu sliders stop working and I would expect the SMP to stop working too.

I'd absolutely love to see the mods combined if it could work at all, but at the moment they seem mutually exclusive.

Yeah, I tried it out. The racemenu sliders didn't work (one has to switch to a brand new facepart in racemenu). While on this new facepart, the smp mouth wasn't working for me either.

[alliga]

hello.

Perhaps the question does not concern your mod.

How do I make my mouth open?

Any guide for 1.59.7, slutil plus 2023.

[Black Heaven]

Hello everyone! sorry for silly request, but i m asking for help
Despite all my attempts i can't get the mod working. I assume that i missed something , i guess physics for head, but i m not sure

 

I have
- HightPolyHead SE

- CBBE 3BA

- CBPC Physics with collisions

- Faster HDT SMP 

- Baka SOS SMP Patch

- (Predator ) High Poly Head SMP

And of course all dependencies

But still no success

Did i missed something ? 
Thanks for your attention

[Dorabella]

47 minutes ago, Black Heaven said:

(Predator ) High Poly Head SMP

Physics is already incorporated into the nif . Rebuild with Bodyslide. If you have a CTD, remove femalehead.tri.

 

 

4 hours ago, alliga said:

How do I make my mouth open?

These are the facial expressions of Sexlab. If you don't have any expressions, you need to create one in MCM\Sexlab\Expressions. Activate it on the animations.

 

 

[Black Heaven]

1 hour ago, Dorabella said:

Physics is already incorporated into the nif . Rebuild with Bodyslide. If you have a CTD, remove femalehead.tri.

 

 

These are the facial expressions of Sexlab. If you don't have any expressions, you need to create one in MCM\Sexlab\Expressions. Activate it on the animations.

 

 

can you please explain what exactly i need to rebuild with bodyslide? I haven't got head mesh in bodyslide list , is it my mistake? I tried to place hight poly head after bodyslide, but it didn't change anyhing

 

i have only hands/feets/body in bodyslide, no head

 

Edited January 18 by Black Heaven

[Dorabella]

58 minutes ago, Black Heaven said:

can you please explain what exactly i need to rebuild with bodyslide?

 

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into the game, Open console and type showracemenu , press enter

 

Select Head\FacePart 3/4 for HPH . If you use a Racemenu preset with HPH, you probably don't need this step, but check anyway.

 

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1 hour ago, Black Heaven said:

i have only hands/feets/body in bodyslide, no head

You can find it in Skyrim data\Meshes\KL\High Poly Head. For instructions, see screen above.

[Black Heaven]

2 minutes ago, Dorabella said:

 

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into the game, Open console and type showracemenu , press enter

 

Select Head\FacePart 3/4 for HPH . If you use a Racemenu preset with HPH, you probably don't need this step, but check anyway.

 

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You can find it in Skyrim data\Meshes\KL\High Poly Head. For instructions, see screen above.

Oh you're best! I guess i found what is going on
I found highpoly head in showracemenu and changed it, all fine

But i haven't got PredatorHightPolyHeadSMP in bodyslide, at all

Bodyslide see other mods, but , even everything installed similar with MO2, it can't find SMP head , that's why i can't build it 

[Dorabella]

6 minutes ago, Black Heaven said:

Bodyslide see other mods, but , even everything installed similar with MO2, it can't find SMP head , that's why i can't build it 

extract the mod separately (e.g., in downloads), browse through the folders,

select OS-BS CalienteTools, copy/drop into Skyrim Data

select SMP MOVE ON/MOVE OFF , open folder choice and drop into Skyrim data

Plugins\DLL 

RC , open and copy/drop folders Interface, meshes and ESP into Skyrim Data ( active plugins) 

 

[Black Heaven]

17 minutes ago, Dorabella said:

extract the mod separately (e.g., in downloads), browse through the folders,

select OS-BS CalienteTools, copy/drop into Skyrim Data

select SMP MOVE ON/MOVE OFF , open folder choice and drop into Skyrim data

Plugins\DLL 

RC , open and copy/drop folders Interface, meshes and ESP into Skyrim Data ( active plugins) 

 

Just fixed it! A few mins before your message, reinstalled everything. Yes i builded as you said above and instantly CTD when starting any scene, it's a progress after all!

Howewer i can't find femalehead.tri to delete it, i have two femaleHead.nif (one in CalienteTools folder) and femaleHead.osd, evertyhing inside mod folder
After i deleted one of femalehead i have no CTD, but mod is not working too
So i m wrong again somewhere

Edited January 18 by Black Heaven

[Dorabella]

1 hour ago, Black Heaven said:

Howewer i can't find femalehead.tri to delete it,

If you have activated Build Morph in Bodyslide, you will find it in the HPH folder. 

 

1 hour ago, Black Heaven said:

i have two femaleHead.nif (one in CalienteTools folder) and femaleHead.osd

Correct  .  

 

1 hour ago, Black Heaven said:

After i deleted one of femalehead i have no CTD, but mod is not working too

Femalehead OSD , don't delete. Is a file for CalienteTools

 

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Go to Skyrim data\Meshes\KL\High Poly Head and open  femalehead with Nifskope . To work, it must be like this.

 

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[Black Heaven]

3 hours ago, Dorabella said:

If you have activated Build Morph in Bodyslide, you will find it in the HPH folder. 

 

Correct  .  

 

Femalehead OSD , don't delete. Is a file for CalienteTools

 

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Go to Skyrim data\Meshes\KL\High Poly Head and open  femalehead with Nifskope . To work, it must be like this.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

everything according your screenshots, something starts to work , but it looks weird. like... mouth trying to open, but skin is messed 

I m reading old posts now, and according to your message from past, i start to check expressions. Well, i found that mouth is not responding at all, no aah or big aah animation when i m trying to run test from sexlab expression

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Edited January 18 by Black Heaven

[Predator-RJ]

16 hours ago, ssd9465p said:

I might be misunderstanding, but the 3D Mouth mod uses a separate face part and tris, so it is a replacement for your head and therefore isn't compatible. If I use the 3D Mouth face part, your Racemenu sliders stop working and I would expect the SMP to stop working too.

I'd absolutely love to see the mods combined if it could work at all, but at the moment they seem mutually exclusive.

Hi, well if the autor of the mouth did in a non default way, that is somehow changing the head nif also, when it is not needed at all, since the mouth nif is separate and can be  swaped on its own, i dont know why....

 

but will be no patch, as mentioned in other answers about the same mod, before yours, having the inside mouth with SMP is pointless, it creates more problems than it solves.

[Predator-RJ]

1 hour ago, Black Heaven said:

everything according your screenshots, something starts to work , but it looks weird. like... mouth trying to open, but skin is messed 

I m reading old posts now, and according to your message from past, i start to check expressions. Well, i found that mouth is not responding at all, no aah or big aah animation when i m trying to run test from sexlab expression

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Hi, please, please.... Read the mod page, you dont need to build the head at all, now if you did build with older bodyslide you created a tri file that insta CTD your game, you will need to remove that and probably re-install any expression related mods

[Black Heaven]

5 minutes ago, Predator-RJ said:

Hi, please, please.... Read the mod page, you dont need to build the head at all, now if you did build with older bodyslide you created a tri file that insta CTD your game, you will need to remove that and probably re-install any expression related mods

Hello ! Thanks for your work! Mod looks great, i wish i will get it to work somehow

CTD is not hunting me anymore, thanks to Dorabella help and i have no expression mods

Still i can't run that mod properly, i m sure i m making some silly mistake somewhere, but we can't find where. After following Dorabella's instructions something started to work, but not perfectly, as you can see on screenshot

[Dorabella]

19 minutes ago, Black Heaven said:

CTD is not hunting me anymore, thanks to Dorabella help and i have no expression mods

 

 

Expression_Pleasure.json   This is the expression file I use. Drop it into Skyrim data\SKSE\Plugins\Sexlab. Into the game, MCM Sexlab Expression, import Expression Pleasure and active.

 

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22 minutes ago, Black Heaven said:

but not perfectly, as you can see on screenshot

It takes the perfect collision point, which is not easy. The console can help you with this.

 

Open console, select male actor, type setscale 0.97 press enter. Continue raising/lowering the height until centered, close console

 

SMP stretch fixer Use this. Into the game, MCM Setting, impost a shortcut key on SMP-Reset , into the game, press the key and fix it for the duration of the animation

 

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[zgadnij12345]

Hello, I have a problem. When I’m playing as the character, the lips work correctly, although the lower lip slightly closes from time to time. When I used the mod on a follower according to the instructions, there is a large hole and it looks ugly. How can I fix this? I am using TNG with TNG Smp and himbo.

 

Edited January 18 by zgadnij12345

[Predator-RJ]

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1 minute ago, zgadnij12345 said:

Hello, I have a problem. When I’m playing as the character, the lips work correctly, although the lower lip slightly closes from time to time. When I used the mod on a follower according to the instructions, there is a large hole and it looks ugly. How can I fix this?

 

Hi, first pic looks like not working, second pic looks like it is woking but, the smp didnt reset or the collision for the penis has wrong values for magin, so you would need to go in the xml for said mod and reduce the margin collision value, as for mouth closing during animations, thats on you sexlab or sex framework used, probably has borked expressions by other mods, this mod is only a head w ith smp, nothimg more, depends on other mods working and having good configs.

[zgadnij12345]

That’s what’s strange — it works, and actually quite well, but in a different way on Ostim. Where can I change the “margin” for TNG? I’ve been looking, but I can’t find it.

[Black Heaven]

5 hours ago, Dorabella said:

 

 

Expression_Pleasure.json   This is the expression file I use. Drop it into Skyrim data\SKSE\Plugins\Sexlab. Into the game, MCM Sexlab Expression, import Expression Pleasure and active.

 

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It takes the perfect collision point, which is not easy. The console can help you with this.

 

Open console, select male actor, type setscale 0.97 press enter. Continue raising/lowering the height until centered, close console

 

SMP stretch fixer Use this. Into the game, MCM Setting, impost a shortcut key on SMP-Reset , into the game, press the key and fix it for the duration of the animation

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Thank you thank  you! We're slowly moving forward

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Still something wrong with lips, maybe with head? 

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[Predator-RJ]

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4 hours ago, zgadnij12345 said:

That’s what’s strange — it works, and actually quite well, but in a different way on Ostim. Where can I change the “margin” for TNG? I’ve been looking, but I can’t find it.

 

Hi, there is no "diferent way" like this mod does not have any scripts or anything like that, it is ONLY a head with SMP active parts, like the lips, that then you need other mods wit SMP collisions to work with the head, nothing more then this, all this pics looks "ok" but normal, i dont see the lips wraping around the penis or so, but they are pics so cant say more then this.