SMP Head HPH or UBE

[leandro0021]

hello, pleas, is be possible to make a patch to this True 3D mouth for HPH ?

[Predator-RJ]

2 hours ago, leandro0021 said:

hello, pleas, is be possible to make a patch to this True 3D mouth for HPH ?

Hi, i dont mess with the inner mouth part, only the head has smp, other parts no problem in using other mods.

[Merlin Wizzard]

This mod needs an update to work with latest FSMP-HDT 3.3

[Unknowing-e]

@crashit123 Have these overwrite the follower mods. Let me know if their any issues

Orphelia Follower 3BA - SMP.zip Jill Follower 3BA - SMP.zip

[no_way]

Ok I think I've followed the install instructions to a T but I can't stop this mod from causing lip retraction well beyond the margins of the penetrating object, resulting in a BJ that looks like shes taking a bite out of the poor thing.

 

Here's an example.  First is without, Second is with HP Predator head installed.  I'm using your XMLs for TNG, and the latest FSMP, SMP fixes.  How do I get it to look like your gifs???

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 06:26 AM by no_way

[StickyTicky]

48 minutes ago, no_way said:

Ok I think I've followed the install instructions to a T but I can't stop this mod from causing lip retraction well beyond the margins of the penetrating object, resulting in a BJ that looks like shes taking a bite out of the poor thing.

 

Here's an example.  First is without, Second is with HP Predator head installed.  I'm using your XMLs for TNG, and the latest FSMP, SMP fixes.  How do I get it to look like your gifs???

 

 

 

Yeah, same. It works better with larger schlongs.

[crashit123]

7 hours ago, Unknowing-e said:

@crashit123 Have these overwrite the follower mods. Let me know if their any issues

Orphelia Follower 3BA - SMP.zip 226.94 kB · 1 download Jill Follower 3BA - SMP.zip 237.48 kB · 1 download

 

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There is some problem, they have AC Unity sickness :). 

 

I tried to copy nif's. directly to followers and still it looked the same.

 

Some trivia I did 1 follower Deluna from him and it worked (link to follower and SMP nif.)

https://mega.nz/file/sehECRDY#-IETOu0zs7nLMcgvlcJOrjAilaoVqn_8mf9PFvY_hEg

 

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Edited Saturday at 01:20 PM by crashit123

[kaladrin]

8 hours ago, no_way said:

Ok I think I've followed the install instructions to a T but I can't stop this mod from causing lip retraction well beyond the margins of the penetrating object, resulting in a BJ that looks like shes taking a bite out of the poor thing.

 

Here's an example.  First is without, Second is with HP Predator head installed.  I'm using your XMLs for TNG, and the latest FSMP, SMP fixes.  How do I get it to look like your gifs???

 

 

 

sexlab p+: hit f1 and try changing average penis girth to a little bit lower. change in small intervals. helped on mine.

[Unknowing-e]

4 hours ago, crashit123 said:

 

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There is some problem, they have AC Unity sickness :). 

 

I tried to copy nif's. directly to followers and still it looked the same.

 

Some trivia I did 1 follower Deluna from him and it worked (link to follower and SMP nif.)

https://mega.nz/file/sehECRDY#-IETOu0zs7nLMcgvlcJOrjAilaoVqn_8mf9PFvY_hEg

 

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Yikes. Yeah I never tested them. On my load order. Prob should have :). 

Curious do you have the SMP Head files downloaded from this modpage? Its still a requirement.


If that doesn't work, I give you a full self contained version like the one you mentioned.

Edited Saturday at 05:45 PM by Unknowing-e

[crashit123]

1 hour ago, Unknowing-e said:

Yikes. Yeah I never tested them. On my load order. Prob should have :). 

Curious do you have the SMP Head files downloaded from this modpage? Its still a requirement.


If that doesn't work, I give you a full self contained version like the one you mentioned.

 

I have HPH head, this mod, FSMP 3.3.0, SMP-Fixes-0.0.3 - for - FSMP 3.0.0-Beta, 1.5.97 SE, anyway don't worry about that followers.

 

I am more curios about how to automate the process and to make it work. Would unlock nice way to improve favorite HPH followers faster. I look forward to test next iteration.

 

Does Jill or Orphelia works on your PC ? Maybe its my setup so many mods etc.

[Unknowing-e]

2 hours ago, crashit123 said:

 

I have HPH head, this mod, FSMP 3.3.0, SMP-Fixes-0.0.3 - for - FSMP 3.0.0-Beta, 1.5.97 SE, anyway don't worry about that followers.

 

I am more curios about how to automate the process and to make it work. Would unlock nice way to improve favorite HPH followers faster. I look forward to test next iteration.

 

Does Jill or Orphelia works on your PC ? Maybe its my setup so many mods etc.

Try these, I updated the script to spit out a self contained version.  Everything should be baked into this one. 

When this script was built. it was to work in tandem with skylady. So yeah it was def built for my load order. Right now I have over 10,000 npcs with SMP head. I patched this corruption mod I found to increase npc lip size when they receive corruption from giving blowjobs  .

If i can get enough testing done. I would release it. Just since this was built for my load order I knew it would cause issues if i released it as is.

Also send pics of issues, those are helpful.


https://mega.nz/file/VWhw2b4C#SPcBWItYf0eM85mF3v4JAoqr12iTa8vfx_abOgv03Ng

https://mega.nz/file/ISZTwYST#94yRu1RMWskvmjGcPEPiF3b1jUL85_WN3LLnooUWqs0

 

Edited Saturday at 09:37 PM by Unknowing-e

[crashit123]

1 hour ago, Unknowing-e said:

Try these, I updated the script to spit out a self contained version.  Everything should be baked into this one. 

When this script was built. it was to work in tandem with skylady. So yeah it was def built for my load order. Right now I have over 10,000 npcs with SMP head. I patched this corruption mod I found to increase npc lip size when they receive corruption from giving blowjobs  .

If i can get enough testing done. I would release it. Just since this was built for my load order I knew it would cause issues if i released it as is.

Also send pics of issues, those are helpful.


https://mega.nz/file/VWhw2b4C#SPcBWItYf0eM85mF3v4JAoqr12iTa8vfx_abOgv03Ng

https://mega.nz/file/ISZTwYST#94yRu1RMWskvmjGcPEPiF3b1jUL85_WN3LLnooUWqs0

 

 

I tried it and the problem of missing faces persists.

 

The Jill mod got some FOMOD error and if I click install anyway nothing happens so I copied nif. into the '\Facegeom' but it didnt work. Orphelia installed fine but has the no face bug.

 

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Edited Saturday at 10:52 PM by crashit123

[wren888]

Hi, Predator.

 

I appreciate your hard work on this mod and also your ongoing responses to users' posts.

 

After many hours trying to get your mod to work for my character, I partially solved one of two problems I'm having.

 

Problem 1: I got the mouth and lips to work on small- and medium-sized phalluses by opening the PPA tool using F1 and changing some things. Namely, I checked the "Oral" box under "Contexts," I moved the max penis length and girth sliders from 0 to their highest levels, and I increased the maximum big aah slider to its highest level, which I believe is 30. However, on large size phalluses, the victim still doesn't open her mouth wide enough to accommodate. I tried increasing the other phonemes as well, but I couldn't see any significant change.

 

Problem 2: the victim's throat does not expand or contract at all. Though I read your advice not to open the PPA tool and adjust the three throat sliders, I tried that anyway. There was no change, so I moved them back.

 

I tested the mod using a humanoid with a huge phallus and with a chaurus. The animations were mostly Billyy, with one or two by ZaZ and by Fluffy Fox.

 

I tried unchecking the PPA overrides\modifiers box. I recall in one of your posts that the PPA config I'm supposed to use it yours. I didn't see one with your name on it, so I tried using the default one and the OSMP_Head_PPA.toml one. Changes using the OSMP one resulted in the mouth and lips to work properly. Consequently, I spent little time with the default one. I tried moving the positions of the actors with no helpful results except of course when I moved the assailant so far away from the victim that the huge penis barely touched her. Then there was no need for her mouth to open very wide. PPA is working properly for me with both humanoids and chauruses.

 

If there's any information I'm neglecting to tell you, please let me know.

 

If you would be so kind as to help me fix whatever I'm messing up, I would appreciate it.

 

All the best to you.

 

 

[no_way]

15 hours ago, kaladrin said:

sexlab p+: hit f1 and try changing average penis girth to a little bit lower. change in small intervals. helped on mine.

F1 opens skse control panel or whatever it’s called for me.

 

girth is adjustable for p+ somewhere though? 
 

I did figure out that it’s the Predator override to PPA oral that’s making the weird face, so getting rid of that improves things a fair bit.  Upper lip stil moves like the dong is bigger than it is though despite setting a tiny margin in smp

configs.

[LoneGentleman]

10 hours ago, wren888 said:

Problem 2: the victim's throat does not expand or contract at all. Though I read your advice not to open the PPA tool and adjust the three throat sliders, I tried that anyway. There was no change, so I moved them back.

 

Hi @wren888 Did you make sure to install the sliders in FOMOD?

 

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For both your issues I also believe you need to install Mu Facial Expressions Extended MFEE so you can stack multiple Phenomes tri's on top of one another. The OSMP_HEAD_PPA.toml uses the 'Aah' Phenome twice. But without this mod I believe it doesn't stack. It isn't mentioned anywhere.

 

The reason I found this mod is because in the file structure of the Predator SMP Head mod I found this:

 

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And in looking at the OSMP_HEAD_PPA.toml there's also clearly MFEE stated as the type of morph for the throat bulging:
 

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The mod works without MFEE, so that's probably why it's not mentioned as a requirement? I actually need to do some testing to make 100% sure that MFEE is the solution, because right now I'm only guessing. Before I could test it I uninstalled Skyrim to start from scratch, because I had a lot of physics related issues. So now I'm still in the progress of very carefully re-installing and setting up everything. I'm not yet at a point where I have OStim or Penises in the game

 

Anyway, please test if installing MFEE fixes it for you. 

Edited Sunday at 10:42 AM by LoneGentleman

[Fatal]

I've got this combined with PPA and it works amazing. I've tweaked it to fit my install and most animations are perfect. The only issue I've still ran into is with some animations the goal isn't insertion but the head is close to the penis. This will sometimes deform the face. Do any of you have any recommendation for how to disable smp for those specific animations or maybe another fix?

[wren888]

On 6/28/2026 at 6:23 AM, LoneGentleman said:

 

Hi @wren888 Did you make sure to install the sliders in FOMOD?

Thanks for for the extensive response, LoneGentleman. I would especially like to get the throat expansion working.

 

To answer your question, yes, I installed the "PPA Sliders for HPH 1.4," and have tried adjusting the three throat sliders in PPA using F1. I don't use the Bimbos mod, so I didn't install the BOTOX sliders.

 

Because I read a post somewhere here by Predator that it's probably best to leave the 3 throat sliders alone, I experimented little with those. I moved them all the way to their highest levels, but didn't see any difference, so I moved them back to their default values. I'll install the MuFacialExpressions mod and experiment with them some more. Thank you for the advice. When I find out the results, I'll edit this post.

 

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I installed MuFacialExpressions, and now I can't get any sexual animations of any type to play, with humanoids or with chauruses. Someone on the MFEE site posted: "EFM isn't HPH compatible, but HPH contains its own (apparently stolen) EFM files, and they're in a different location than the vanilla femalehead.tri file." Others there post that the mod is incompatible with HPH and are trying to get it to work. So apparently, that mod is not required for this mod.

 

As I only experimented with the 3 throat PPA sliders a little, I'll try some more.

 

Any other ideas as to what I might be doing wrong? Clearly the mod works under the right conditions.

 

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I tried some more with the 3 PPA throat sliders. Unsuccessful.

Maybe it's a mod conflict or load order problem. I've checked the load order for this mod's requirements. I don't see any conflicts, but I do have 500+ mods. I tried it with few mods loaded, and that was no help.

 

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by wren888

[LoneGentleman]

28 minutes ago, Fatal said:

I've got this combined with PPA and it works amazing. I've tweaked it to fit my install and most animations are perfect. The only issue I've still ran into is with some animations the goal isn't insertion but the head is close to the penis. This will sometimes deform the face. Do any of you have any recommendation for how to disable smp for those specific animations or maybe another fix?

 

That depends on what is actually happening. Without visuals there's no way to give you any definitive answer. Though I've had a lot of success with those types of poses by either choosing 'none' as the PPA target for the penis, or the hand. Other times some fine adjustments worked well - simply scooching the actor minimally further away. If neither of those work I'd be surprised, because I've tested A LOT of poses and didn't encounter anything that I couldn't fix. Care to send a screen? 

[Fatal]

31 minutes ago, LoneGentleman said:

 

That depends on what is actually happening. Without visuals there's no way to give you any definitive answer. Though I've had a lot of success with those types of poses by either choosing 'none' as the PPA target for the penis, or the hand. Other times some fine adjustments worked well - simply scooching the actor minimally further away. If neither of those work I'd be surprised, because I've tested A LOT of poses and didn't encounter anything that I couldn't fix. Care to send a screen? 

 

Sure, I should have already done that but I so often am in chatrooms that this type of image would not be ok. This is a picture of the first stage of Billy kneeling blowjob 3. I have PPA set to use right hand and it is supposed to be a penis being rubbed on face scene. If you think the solution is moving the actor, would you mind explaining how you go about that? Is it the offsets in the P+ UI? If so, do you know if those save externally or do they only work for that save? Sorry for all of the questions but I'm hoping to find a solution that will exist between saves.

[LoneGentleman]

@Fatal that looks like it's just way too close. Is the target the hand? Sometimes when you set the hand as target for PPA it stretches and pulls on the penis unnaturally. Trying no target could be a start. Or keeping it with the Left Hand, but adjusting Front-Back or Up-Down alignments. This definitely looks like it's fixable.

 

Also try setting a smaller margin in the XML provided by the mod author. That'll decrease the collision radius of the phallus mesh. I actually used to have mine set at -0.05.

 

Truth be told it does look a bit wonky though, like it's glitching. Worst I've seen for myself was that the penis would push the mouth down and reveal the teeth/oral mesh. Not push the corners of the mouth all the way back the cheek like that. Other than in these poses it works correctly yes?

 

What pose is this actually? 

[Fatal]

The target is the hand in the picture but I've tried none and the penis is in the neck. I'm using 0.01 margins, I didn't realize you can go into the negatives so I'll try that. Most poses work amazingly well, just a few that don't and usually it is just one scene out of a set. This is Billyy kneeling blowjob 3, first scene. 

 

If it helps I'm using TNG, Softbody and PPA. I have Softbody overriding TNG and PPA settings. I've patched together the settings as well as I can and everything seems to be good. I don't believe this is the current issue because I've seen similar without Softbody installed. 

 

I'll try adjusting the margins and alignments, hopefully I can tweak these issues out. Thanks LoneGentleman.

[LoneGentleman]

11 minutes ago, Fatal said:

This is Billyy kneeling blowjob 3, first scene. 

 

If it helps I'm using TNG, Softbody and PPA. I have Softbody overriding TNG and PPA settings. I've patched together the settings as well as I can and everything seems to be good. I don't believe this is the current issue because I've seen similar without Softbody installed. 

 

I'll try adjusting the margins and alignments, hopefully I can tweak these issues out. Thanks LoneGentleman.

 

I know for a fact that I've used Billyy Kneeling Blowjob 3 without a problem. Let me download that rq and test. I just now installed everything onto my pretty virgin modlist to test this for you

[Unknowing-e]

Hey @crashit123, I have returned from my journey thru the rabbit hole and I've came back with gifts.

Can you give these a test, I manage to get it working on load order. Need verification if it works for others. Also I think you mentioned but make sure you have the latest of version of FSMP.

To install just have them overwrite over the originals.

Jill Follower - HPH Patch.zip Orphelia Follower - HPH Patch.zip

[LoneGentleman]

1 hour ago, Fatal said:

I'll try adjusting the margins and alignments, hopefully I can tweak these issues out. Thanks LoneGentleman.

 

Just like I thought this was one of those I definitely turned the target to 'None' and adjusted it. There's a bit of hand clipping, but I rather that than it glitching out. Oh, and I forgot to mention I also rotate the female actor by 3.

 

 

The clipping is also pretty minimal, but if I do it better then there's a clipping of the tongue. Personally I'm not the biggest fan of the floppy tongue OStim adds anyway. Maybe gotta figure out how to give it some constraints so it wont move too low and clip into the bottom lip and teeth. 

 

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Also @Predator-RJ, @asdt123123

I -still- have to type SMP Reset every time with NPC actors :'D And this is a super clean modlist. Will do some more testing one of these days. I don't terribly mind to be honest, but it's supposed to work so I don't know. Also, I'm on latest FSMP 3.3.0 from nexus

 

im using some expression mods though so I’ll finally test if those are causing it.

Edited yesterday at 10:05 PM by LoneGentleman

[Fatal]

@LoneGentlemanSorry for that long delay, I was trying some stuff. I ripped out Softbody and the issue is still there but it is far better. I remembered there was issues prior to the mod but it is better than I remembered. I still want softbody installed but at least now I know what is causing the problem and know what I need to work on fixing. Thanks for talking this over with me. I know there isn't a solution but at least I know what is causing the problem and what to fix.

 

Thank you for your assistance