Devious Devices - Captured Dreams Shop v4.15 - files removed

[Veladarius]

18 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Just been looking at the CD front page.

 

I was confused by the ambiguous use of the word "Done" in the tag-line:

Development is done as of 8/19/2018

 

"Done" could also simply mean, completed, as in, a new version is ready to be released. I actually hoped it might mean this.

I had to search through all the small-print detail in the change lists to figure out that this actually meant "Development has ceased, as of 2018-8-19. No new versions of Captured Dreams Shop will be released."

 

It would be a benefit to readers coming to the page, months, or years in the future, if this ambiguity were cleared up.

 

 

Veladarius ... if you have ceased development of CD, then you should write that in a nice big sticky on the front page so we have total clarity.

 

If you have, in fact, retired from modding completely, then it would make sense to say something like:

"I have retired from modding, and while I will continue to answer questions on CD as much as I am able. I will not be making any updates or new mods."

 

 

Even now, a reader has to wade back through over ten pages of forum to find the "end of development" announcement, the ensuing argument, and some kind of sense of why development has stopped ... if it is still stopped ... and TBH I'm still not 100% sure whether that is the case or not. I was reading the forum at the time, and I'm still not sure what the outcome was, other than T.ara saying he'd fix some duplicate keywords, which is nice. A few months from now it will be near impossible to find that stuff and figure out what's happened.

I will be continuing development, as for when anything will be released I don't know. I have been near burnout but want to continue and my mental issues don't help so I have to get into the right frame of mind. I had been starting work again on DD before the last 'outburst' caused by misinformation and my bipolar and anxiety and I am trying to put myself back together enough to work on it again.

 

 

18 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

OK, the permissions ARE there, nice and clear, but on the point where you say no third party may "alter" it... That's like saying I'm not allowed to use a hilighter pen on my copy of Fight Club. Copyright doesn't work that way. And from a practical perspective, basically, you just said I'm not allowed to merge or bash patch it.

 

But you could say, "It is not permitted to publish derivative works, based on the Captured Dreams Shop."

 

While this leaves some room for debate about what constitutes a derivative work, I believe it would do what you intend, more completely and more reliably than the current restriction ... which (I imagine) is intended  to stop someone from making a CD Redux that requires you to first install CD and then patches it wholesale. Even if they found some weird way (that you don't like) to use CD without modifying it at all, it would still be a derivative work, and would not be legal.

 

 

However, wording apart, if somebody wants to make a patch to fix a compatability bug in CD, for absurd example, Captured Dreams Vivid Weather's Patch, would you actually want to stop that? 

 

No, I'm not trying to trick you into agreeing that a patch is OK ... and thus a patch that completely fixes CD integration with DD4.2+ is ok ... I'm speculating that you want to stop such a patch being made and published. Of course you may not want to stop such a patch? I don't really know. I'm not even 100% sure that CD development is over. I'm just trying to figure out your actual intent.

Yes, my intent was that CD not be updated to comply with DD in any way, shape or form as that was how angered I was by the misinformation. Had that information been correct I would have rather CD died than be updated by someone else. This was not what the person's intent who gave me the information but I have very strong feelings over CD and what happens to it and I believed that they would have done something to bring CD up to v4.

 

Luckily the information given to me was false. Kimy and I have come to a compromise with her adjusting DD enough to accommodate my play style and I understand that the individual options won't be coming back and will work on updating CD to v4. 

 

18 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

What is the fate of all the new work that was done up to now?

It will be finished at some point with v4.16 along with more content (2 quests made, 2+ to make, Manor Slave mechanics left to finish reconstruction of and a number of bug fixes and adjustments to make no to mention updating to v4 of DD). I have Manor Slave ready to finish, it needs the new dialogue for handling the new task system and added tasks. I can build a quest fairly quickly when I am in the right frame of mind, getting there is the issue for me now.

[Lupine00]

7 hours ago, Veladarius said:

Luckily the information given to me was false. Kimy and I have come to a compromise with her adjusting DD enough to accommodate my play style and I understand that the individual options won't be coming back and will work on updating CD to v4. 

Of course you were not the only person asking for more fine grained control, and DD 4.1 had already gone a long way to resolving things, even if it isn't quite all the way there yet.  Hopefully, we may one day see something like the basic vs advanced settings that were suggested recently in a very well argued post. But as has also been pointed out, those settings are only for standard items. I think that's both good and bad...

 

I have argued, in the past, that the issue with the old controls in DD were not that there were several options, but that there were two distinct escape systems - each with its own stats - that worked completely differently, and the player had no way of knowing when one or the other would, or was, being used.

 

The system that exists now is a stealth version of that, because custom items can use any escape mechanic they like, but it's harmless as long as mod authors don't do painful things with it.

[Veladarius]

6 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Of course you were not the only person asking for more fine grained control, and DD 4.1 had already gone a long way to resolving things, even if it isn't quite all the way there yet.  Hopefully, we may one day see something like the basic vs advanced settings that were suggested recently in a very well argued post. But as has also been pointed out, those settings are only for standard items. I think that's both good and bad...

 

I have argued, in the past, that the issue with the old controls in DD were not that there were several options, but that there were two distinct escape systems - each with its own stats - that worked completely differently, and the player had no way of knowing when one or the other would, or was, being used.

 

The system that exists now is a stealth version of that, because custom items can use any escape mechanic they like, but it's harmless as long as mod authors don't do painful things with it.

Mainly the optional stuff added additional layers to escaping and for the most part it is all still there it is just a matter of how it is handled by the devices and control system. I have gone through the code and am pretty sure I could go and alter the system to use the old menu but keep the ability for modders to set the device parameters on custom items while letting the player set the parameters for the standard items. This would require modifying a number of major DD scripts though and was why I never did it.

[Lady Victoria]

I have finally become a relationship slave. But once she fitted me with my new items I couldn’t wear any other boots other then a pair of leather restrictive boots that I don’t even have in my inventory anymore. The only time I can get them off is when they are automatically taken off threw a in game mod quest or animation. Then when that’s over I am bare foot. So I go into inventory and try to put on something else like the pony boots and it automatically puts back on the leather restrictive boots that I don’t even have. Do you have any advice on how I can fix this problem? Any info will truly be appreciated!  I also have devious training, devious followers, S.L.U.T.S, mods installed too if one of those for some reason might be conflicting with one another perhaps?  I also noiticed that I am still noted as a property slave in the quest dialogue? Is that something to be concerned about as well for future play threw?

[Veladarius]

6 hours ago, Lady Victoria said:

I have finally become a relationship slave. But once she fitted me with my new items I couldn’t wear any other boots other then a pair of leather restrictive boots that I don’t even have in my inventory anymore. The only time I can get them off is when they are automatically taken off threw a in game mod quest or animation. Then when that’s over I am bare foot. So I go into inventory and try to put on something else like the pony boots and it automatically puts back on the leather restrictive boots that I don’t even have. Do you have any advice on how I can fix this problem? Any info will truly be appreciated!  I also have devious training, devious followers, S.L.U.T.S, mods installed too if one of those for some reason might be conflicting with one another perhaps?  I also noiticed that I am still noted as a property slave in the quest dialogue? Is that something to be concerned about as well for future play threw?

That would be a DD issue, it stores what items you have on in a file so removing items via console does not work. You will need to use DD's option to remove everything or once the boots are equipped again remove them via key or pay Master to do it (unless they are broken then the DD option is the only one). If you do use the DD option it will remove the Relationship Slave items so you may have to get them back via console. You can use showinventory on yourself and find the ID's for them in there, note them and then just add them back.

 

As for the dialogue it is normal, there is very little done on Relationship Slave. v4.16 will add a bit (though what it adds will be available at other times). Yet another thing in development that keeps getting pushed back.

[Lady Victoria]

5 hours ago, Veladarius said:

That would be a DD issue, it stores what items you have on in a file so removing items via console does not work. You will need to use DD's option to remove everything or once the boots are equipped again remove them via key or pay Master to do it (unless they are broken then the DD option is the only one). If you do use the DD option it will remove the Relationship Slave items so you may have to get them back via console. You can use showinventory on yourself and find the ID's for them in there, note them and then just add them back.

 

As for the dialogue it is normal, there is very little done on Relationship Slave. v4.16 will add a bit (though what it adds will be available at other times). Yet another thing in development that keeps getting pushed back.

Ok. It’s does seem there are definitely broken. Along with some other items now. The Master don’t even remove them as well. As for the Mod progress.  Although is something I definitely look forward too. But what is more important is yourself. We can wait on further development. Besides you already done so much on this wonderful Mod.  We have plenty to do to keep us occupied ?

[Seph1r0th]

I just got skyrim a few weeks ago and was looking for a new challenge and found captured dreams I have everything it needs to run and have compiled all the files step by step and while it loads the game and runs the moment I enter the shop and it loads it ctds

[Veladarius]

34 minutes ago, AkiKay said:

Uhm. So Hunter won´t let me do a Job for her because im not wearing one of her belts. But i am. Its more weird though. It doesn´t look like one from her. Only the Inventory Object looks like a Captures Dreams one. Also i am getting a ton of LOOK UP FAILED!. 1 When the Slaver comes into the Ship and asks me what slave i want to be and 2 when i look into my Quest Log. The Description of the Quest is the Name of the Quest and the where the description should actually be it says LOOK UP FAILED!

If you are using v4.05 you need to also use the v4.051 patch which will fix the names and dialogue as there is an issue with the translation file. v4.05 is generally only for German speaking people that need it and not the English version of v4.15 but switching will likely require cleaning the save between uninstalling the old version and installing the new one or a new game.

[Veladarius]

4 hours ago, Seph1r0th said:

I just got skyrim a few weeks ago and was looking for a new challenge and found captured dreams I have everything it needs to run and have compiled all the files step by step and while it loads the game and runs the moment I enter the shop and it loads it ctds

1 - if you are using the premade CBBE bodyslide files get rid of them and build the items using DD v4's files as there is a bug in the v3 ebonite corset/belt combo that will cause a ctd whenever it is attempted to be displayed.

2 - if you are using a lot of mods that run constantly it can overload papyrus. I went over this same thing starting with this user in this post: 

3 - upload a copy of the papyrus log file, if you don't know what it is, where it is or how to turn it on google it as it is very simple. Just look for Skyrim Papyrus Log

[Guest]

Hi veladarius,

 

I'm not sure if you still develop cd? From the forums I understand you do, but on the main page you say you quit.

Anyways, if you still do work on it, I had a fun idea, not sure if already implemented. With chaste life, wouldn't it make sense that master won't allow you to relief to often (as in to keep you from getting overly obsessed with sexual activity)? I was thinking maybe a timer on how often your allowed to relieve? Say... 3 days or something, maybe configurable in the mcm?

If you try again within that timeframe a tasteful comment would be nice as well (maybe tied into the sub/Dom mechanic?)

[Senick]

Is there a way to stop being a Relationship slave, or is it truly permanent as she implies?

[Lady Victoria]

I seem to be having a problem with the quest Part Favors. The animation with the two thalmor guards doesn’t play threw. It just gets stuck in a never ending anime and I’m frozen there. I tried a few times with no luck. Is their a way I can perhaps end it with a console command?

[Veladarius]

23 hours ago, jujoco said:

Hi veladarius,

 

I'm not sure if you still develop cd? From the forums I understand you do, but on the main page you say you quit.

Anyways, if you still do work on it, I had a fun idea, not sure if already implemented. With chaste life, wouldn't it make sense that master won't allow you to relief to often (as in to keep you from getting overly obsessed with sexual activity)? I was thinking maybe a timer on how often your allowed to relieve? Say... 3 days or something, maybe configurable in the mcm?

If you try again within that timeframe a tasteful comment would be nice as well (maybe tied into the sub/Dom mechanic?)

I still plan on working on it but there is no time frame for updates.

 

Adding an option for setting a minimum time for the chaste life belt relief would not be difficult. I can add appropriate remarks to it as well.

[Veladarius]

9 hours ago, Senick said:

Is there a way to stop being a Relationship slave, or is it truly permanent as she implies?

No, it needs a several things done and the items removed via the DD remove all option. Do the following things:

 

setpqv cdxslavery_player allowbeltremoval 1

setpqv cdxslavery_player Val_enslavestatus <x>   if you have played through property slave then set <x> to 3 (refused offer) otherwise if you have not and want to have the chance later then set <x> to 0. I also suggest disabling it in the MCM menu.

Set CDxLongTermBelting to 0

 

You need to remove yourself from several factions, use the command and insert the following faction ID's in place of <ID>

player.removefromfaction <ID>

xx167347

xx0aeabd

xx0ab465

xx0a8e2c

 

You will likely need to reset the quest for player slavery as well:

resetquest xx167348

 

the xx in the above ID's refers to the mod ID which is its load position, you can find it by entering   help cdx  and it will be the same first two letters/numbers of the ID's of the items that come up.

[Veladarius]

4 hours ago, Lady Victoria said:

I seem to be having a problem with the quest Part Favors. The animation with the two thalmor guards doesn’t play threw. It just gets stuck in a never ending anime and I’m frozen there. I tried a few times with no luck. Is their a way I can perhaps end it with a console command?

Which animation exactly is it repeating? If it is the initial washing animation it is likely due to Elenwen has not left the basement so try waiting an hour. If it won't let you wait, enable controls, find and select elenwen in the console then go to the door to the upstairs and use  moveto player and once there she should teleport out and you then need to move back to position and disable your controls.

[iron_monger]

On 9/11/2018 at 9:15 PM, Antaufein said:

Also, the chastity rings and locking pin look misaligned compared to the one from Zaria's restraints. I don't know if it's because the one from Zaria's restraints (image on the left) is in 1 item and the one from CD is in 2 items (the rings and the locking part)(image on the right), but it's annoying for me.

 

For whatever it's worth, I have this issue as well.  Were you able to fix it?  I'm thinking maybe I should take out that optional mesh and rebuild the outfits again.

[Veladarius]

8 hours ago, iron_monger said:

For whatever it's worth, I have this issue as well.  Were you able to fix it?  I'm thinking maybe I should take out that optional mesh and rebuild the outfits again.

There are optional meshes with CD for this for use with the UNP bodies as it was intended for CBBE and there are differences between the two.

[Vuzzar]

On 12/10/2013 at 7:46 PM, Veladarius said:

The mod is broken up over several parts:
Part 1 - Esp, scripts and other minor files Required
Part 2 - Meshes and Textures by texture size Required
Part 3 - Catsuit data by body including bodyslide files Optional if you already have Shiny Rubber Catsuits but you should not need the esp for it now
Part 4 - Removed due to bad meshes in it that can cause CTD. Use DD v4 bodyslide files instead.
Part 5 - Misc optional files (female guard file and UNPB meshes for chastity piercings) Optional

 

2 hours ago, Veladarius said:

There are optional meshes with CD for this for use with the UNP bodies as it was intended for CBBE and there are differences between the two.

You mean Part 5? 

[Lady Victoria]

17 hours ago, Veladarius said:

Which animation exactly is it repeating? If it is the initial washing animation it is likely due to Elenwen has not left the basement so try waiting an hour. If it won't let you wait, enable controls, find and select elenwen in the console then go to the door to the upstairs and use  moveto player and once there she should teleport out and you then need to move back to position and disable your controls.

The one right after the washing. Where the two thalmor soldiers hang me up then drop me. They proceed to have their way with me one at a time. Then on the final animation where they want a threesome that’s where I have the problem. The one finishes and gets dressed but the othe continues and plays they with no end.

[Veladarius]

6 hours ago, Lady Victoria said:

The one right after the washing. Where the two thalmor soldiers hang me up then drop me. They proceed to have their way with me one at a time. Then on the final animation where they want a threesome that’s where I have the problem. The one finishes and gets dressed but the othe continues and plays they with no end.

If he is still doing part of the sexlab animation then you can end it via the mcm menu, If it does not continue once the animation is stopped use   sqv  cdxexpquest02 to get the stage and set the stage to 5 higher (it goes up by 5 per stage for the most part).

[Psalam]

Or, a SexLab animation can be advanced a stage at a time by hitting the "space" bar or just completed by hitting "end".

[Vuzzar]

20 hours ago, Veladarius said:

There are optional meshes with CD for this for use with the UNP bodies as it was intended for CBBE and there are differences between the two.

The optional meshes makes no difference for me

[Veladarius]

5 hours ago, Antaufein said:

The optional meshes makes no difference for me

What body shape are you using? I know that a lot of body styles make changes to the shape of the entire pelvis area. I don't do modeling so I can't really do much about it though you may be able to make some adjustments in bodyslide and move the pubic area back a bit. I have not seen any bodyslide versions of the meshes, probably because they would just be minor movements and there really isn't much interest in making them as it would likely be more trouble than it is worth.

[Vuzzar]

16 minutes ago, Veladarius said:

What body shape are you using?

I used Cosio CBBE Curvy without the optional meshes and UNPB with the optional meshes, both with the same result. I am using All-in-One HDT Animated pussy 4.0

[Veladarius]

11 hours ago, Antaufein said:

I used Cosio CBBE Curvy without the optional meshes and UNPB with the optional meshes, both with the same result. I am using All-in-One HDT Animated pussy 4.0

The UNPB one should have worked with the optional meshes as they were made for it for me though I don't know if the Animated pussy moves it as it is not far off in the picture.