MysticDaedra Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 On 12/17/2021 at 12:35 AM, foreveraloneguy said: You have to replace the body, hands, and feet meshes with whatever you want to use. Bimbo meshes are @ meshes\actors\character\sl_hormones\bimbo and succubus @ meshes\actors\character\sl_hormones\succubus. Open the BSA to get the filenames and paths if there's anything else you want to replace. Also, nioverride is why everything looks messed up. It sucks ass for scaling unless you're willing to spend dozens of hours tweaking the weight painting. There's no "fix". Replace the mod's meshes, which are LE CBBE meshes, with your own. Will replacing these meshes undo any of the custom morphs/changes for the transformations? Like the succubus legs for example? How important is YPS these days? It hasn't been updated in forever, and causes all kinds of issues for me when I use it. What exactly would I be giving up (aside from the hairstyle changes) if I don't use it? And is there an alternative to YPS anywhere? Hopefully the dev of YPS comes back and makes some updates, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
DeepBlueFrog Posted January 22, 2022 Author Posted January 22, 2022 10 hours ago, MysticDaedra said: Will replacing these meshes undo any of the custom morphs/changes for the transformations? Like the succubus legs for example? How important is YPS these days? It hasn't been updated in forever, and causes all kinds of issues for me when I use it. What exactly would I be giving up (aside from the hairstyle changes) if I don't use it? And is there an alternative to YPS anywhere? Hopefully the dev of YPS comes back and makes some updates, but I don't see that happening any time soon. YPS is optional.
w234aew Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 10 hours ago, MysticDaedra said: How important is YPS these days? It hasn't been updated in forever, and causes all kinds of issues for me when I use it. What exactly would I be giving up (aside from the hairstyle changes) if I don't use it? And is there an alternative to YPS anywhere? Hopefully the dev of YPS comes back and makes some updates, but I don't see that happening any time soon. YPS can be significantly improved in performance with YPS Tweaks (at least V1.6, 1.7 can be found in Monoman1's blog post, and 2.4 can be found in the Wartimes thread with some digging). In SE, There are some problems with YPS mod detection compared to LE (as in, detecting Hairstyle/Jewelry mod esps in SE is sometimes not great, and it has some BIG scripts), but if the tweaks are installed properly (the install folder has some jsons you have to manually place), then it significantly improves performance. If I recall right, it circumvents SlaveTats by using NiO Overlays directly, which means you don't need to wait the obscene amount of time it takes Slavetats to update on SE. The tweak is available on LE as well, but SlaveTats is much faster to respond in LE if I remember right, so IDK if the difference is as noticeable. Unfortunately, the piercings and heel features (not "Heels exist" but the "Bimbo Curse locked heels height") are YPS only I think. There's not really an overall alternative I can think of, at least for dynamic in-game changes (at least without a number of different mods that combine together to do the same thing). 1
1337DragonWolf Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 On 12/17/2021 at 2:35 AM, foreveraloneguy said: You have to replace the body, hands, and feet meshes with whatever you want to use. Bimbo meshes are @ meshes\actors\character\sl_hormones\bimbo and succubus @ meshes\actors\character\sl_hormones\succubus. Open the BSA to get the filenames and paths if there's anything else you want to replace. Also, nioverride is why everything looks messed up. It sucks ass for scaling unless you're willing to spend dozens of hours tweaking the weight painting. There's no "fix". Replace the mod's meshes, which are LE CBBE meshes, with your own. In short, this isn't a bug or even unexpected behavior. There is no sl_hormones\succubus directory. How can I replace textures in a directory that doesn't even exist? Seriously, somebody please help me with this! I'm begging you!
Balgin Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, w234aew said: In SE, There are some problems with YPS mod detection compared to LE (as in, detecting Hairstyle/Jewelry mod esps in SE is sometimes not great, and it has some BIG scripts), but if the tweaks are installed properly (the install folder has some jsons you have to manually place), then it significantly improves performance. In LE I've noticed hairstyles conflicting with bikini bottoms. I imagine it's a slot conflict. Using YPS hair control bikini bottoms disappear leaving the girl in a quite unfortunate state of attire, revert to a pre hairstyle save and it appears again (I haven't experimented with turning hair control on and off again to see if that causes the invisible garments to reappear or not because bikinis haven't been a very high priority for me yet). Also am I the only one who saw a new post in this thread by the frog and hoped it was the long awaited December update? Edited January 22, 2022 by Balgin 1
w234aew Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Balgin said: In LE I've noticed hairstyles conflicting with bikini bottoms. I imagine it's a slot conflict. Using YPS hair control bikini bottoms disappear leaving the girl in a quite unfortunate state of attire, revert to a pre hairstyle save and it appears again (I haven't experimented with turning hair control on and off again to see if that causes the invisible garments to reappear or not because bikinis haven't been a very high priority for me yet). I haven't had LE installed in a long while, but if you're referring to TAWOBA and its derivatives, I remember that being an issue with DD, which majorly affected YPS when it was based on DD and Slavetats. With more recent TAWOBA versions and YPS Tweaks installed, I didn't have a problem with using both Hair Control and TAWOBA bottoms. 20 minutes ago, Balgin said: Also am I the only one who saw a new post in this thread by the frog and hoped it was the long awaited December update? I don't know what's expected for hormones for the next update. The last change that I see in GitHub was the quickfix for Bodymorphs/NiOverride. Edited January 22, 2022 by w234aew
Balgin Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 Hmm. My YPS and tweaks are up to date,. TAWOBA is only on version 83383-1-8b and DD is version 4.2 because I was concerned with some people reporting issues with DD5 conflicting with YPS piercing detection and was waiting to see if the issue was resolved in time. If it's not a DD issue maybe it's a load order issue.
w234aew Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Balgin said: TAWOBA is only on version 83383-1-8b Pay in mind, when I use TAWOBA and DD together, I also shut off the "Device Hider", which is what I found caused the most issues for me. I run DD5 and haven't had an issue AFAIK, but I'm on SE. Maybe the issue is in the background with one of the piercing slots I don't use (ex. Eyebrow, nose bridge). Additionally, TAWOBA has branched a ton on SE, since there's different conversions and additions (SunJeong's, Pumpkin's TAWOBAE, etc.) along with various patches available for compatibility (for example, Sexlab Survival SE has a few). TBH, "What I Usually Run" in SE is VERY different then my LE testing install (very light), or even the last time I had a full LE install (probably ~late 2018? Oldest file I still have is Heelsound from 2018. I remember running before that existed, but I'm certain there was overlap in both directions). I used a lot more "Outfit Sets" because ESLs/ESPFEs weren't widely adopted yet, so it was easier to run into limits on individual outfits. Whereas now, with widespread adoption of ESLs, I can actually just run 90+ individual outfits esls if I want (That might be a slight exaggeration, but it's not far off; 134 non-light esps/esms, but 289 total). Additionally, while there are definitely more "Outfit Replacer" mods in LE I think, the compatibility and widespread adoption of 3BA and BHUNP means the ones that are converted for SE are pretty much body agnostic for availability, and the ones that were developed for SE bodies (ex. BD's, Ghaan's) are in the same boat. I regularly ran TAWOBA in LE, but in SE I only really run it when I'm testing SLS. Edited January 22, 2022 by w234aew
Balgin Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, DeepBlueFrog said: What is TAWOBA? The Amazing World Of Bikini Armour. 1
1337DragonWolf Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 Can this mod be made compatible with UUNP HDT?
w234aew Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, 1337DragonWolf said: Can this mod be made compatible with UUNP HDT? It already is on LE.
1337DragonWolf Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, w234aew said: It already is on LE. Well, something is messing up. The texture of PC's body stops fitting on the mesh when absorbing daedra souls.
w234aew Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 8 hours ago, 1337DragonWolf said: Well, something is messing up. The texture of PC's body stops fitting on the mesh when absorbing daedra souls. Okay, how does it look? Is it just the skin turning a different color (ex. black/red/blue)? Because that's a feature actually. Is it "texture-under-mesh" error? (almost looks like you can see the shadows of the individual polygons of the body on the texture) A screenshot would make this much faster.
1337DragonWolf Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 12 hours ago, w234aew said: Okay, how does it look? Is it just the skin turning a different color (ex. black/red/blue)? Because that's a feature actually. Is it "texture-under-mesh" error? (almost looks like you can see the shadows of the individual polygons of the body on the texture) A screenshot would make this much faster. It's like, "texture misaligns". Nipple texture not on nipple mesh, underboob shadow higher than it should be, and a strangeness at the junction joining the thighs to the pelvis. I can't get screenshots, though, because I reloaded to before I started getting banged by Sanguine and becane a chaurus queen from the Parasites mod instead.
KillinCuzICan Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, 1337DragonWolf said: It's like, "texture misaligns". Nipple texture not on nipple mesh, underboob shadow higher than it should be, and a strangeness at the junction joining the thighs to the pelvis. I can't get screenshots, though, because I reloaded to before I started getting banged by Sanguine and becane a chaurus queen from the Parasites mod instead. Sounds like you have the wrong textures on your body. UNP textures are for UNP bodies (UUNP, UNPB, etc.). CBBE textures are for CBBE bodies (CBBE, CBBE SMP, 3BA, etc). Check your textures.
w234aew Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, 1337DragonWolf said: It's like, "texture misaligns". Nipple texture not on nipple mesh, underboob shadow higher than it should be, and a strangeness at the junction joining the thighs to the pelvis. I can't get screenshots, though, because I reloaded to before I started getting banged by Sanguine and becane a chaurus queen from the Parasites mod instead. You can do "all of the above" I think (bimbo, chaurus queen, succubus), but I've only really done 2 at a time before (ex. Bimbo&Chaurus Queen, Bimbo & Succubus). Were using the custom Bimbo Race? Or, were you using your original race (ex. Breton), but you're using a UUNP-Based Body with the Succubus Curse? AFAIK, the basic parts of each curse are "Body-agnostic", but the Custom Bimbo Race, Succubus Body, and the Starved/Sexy features use their own custom meshes (CBBE-Based). You can actually create bodyslide files for them by creating a copy of the "Body" project (the one you usually build in BS) in Outfit Studio, use "Save as", and aim the "Body" files at the location of the starved/sexy meshes (you can figure out their location by extracting a copy of Hormone's BSA within a separate directory). You can even modify the "Base shape" by playing around with the sliders in Outfit Studio until you think they look accurate to the type (voluptuous for sexy, old or skinny for starved), then using the "Set as base shape" feature. Be warned, these "Sexy/Starved base bodies" don't necessarily look good with a base preset. I did some quick files at some point for CBBE 3BA (in SE), but they weren't good, and I typically just disable those skins in the MCM, so I don't have them anymore. Edited January 24, 2022 by w234aew
1337DragonWolf Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, w234aew said: You can do "all of the above" I think (bimbo, chaurus queen, succubus), but I've only really done 2 at a time before (ex. Bimbo&Chaurus Queen, Bimbo & Succubus). Were using the custom Bimbo Race? Or, were you using your original race (ex. Breton), but you're using a UUNP-Based Body with the Succubus Curse? AFAIK, the basic parts of each curse are "Body-agnostic", but the Custom Bimbo Race, Succubus Body, and the Starved/Sexy features use their own custom meshes (CBBE-Based). You can actually create bodyslide files for them by creating a copy of the "Body" project (the one you usually build in BS) in Outfit Studio, use "Save as", and aim the "Body" files at the location of the starved/sexy meshes (you can figure out their location by extracting a copy of Hormone's BSA within a separate directory). You can even modify the "Base shape" by playing around with the sliders in Outfit Studio until you think they look accurate to the type (voluptuous for sexy, old or skinny for starved), then using the "Set as base shape" feature. Be warned, these "Sexy/Starved base bodies" don't necessarily look good with a base preset. I did some quick files at some point for CBBE 3BA (in SE), but they weren't good, and I typically just disable those skins in the MCM, so I don't have them anymore. I absolutely abhor bimbofication, I use a female Nord race with a UUNP-Based body. I was teleported to Sanguine's realm, and after (female)Sanguine had sex with PC, the textures looked wonky, and the body mesh didn't seem to line up properly with, for example, the hands. I keep thinking that it would just be easier to switch the body type to one that's compatible, but then I remember that I would then have to download different outfit replacers, and go through my mods to see which ones have options I need to change, then visit the download pages of other mods to see if there are conversions...
w234aew Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, 1337DragonWolf said: . I was teleported to Sanguine's realm, and after (female)Sanguine had sex with PC, the textures looked wonky, and the body mesh didn't seem to line up properly with, for example, the hands. That sounds like an error with SD+, or the Weight Change capability Hormones has. You may want to try reloading to an earlier save before the sanguine encounter and see if it fixes it, or disable the "Weight Change" feature in the Hormones MCM. If you don't use the Bimbo Features, but do use the Succubus Transformation (wasn't clear), it could be the mesh thing I mentioned with the succubus bodies, as having sex with sanguine is one of the ways to trigger the succubus transformation. Edited January 24, 2022 by w234aew
1337DragonWolf Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, KillinCuzICan said: Sounds like you have the wrong textures on your body. UNP textures are for UNP bodies (UUNP, UNPB, etc.). CBBE textures are for CBBE bodies (CBBE, CBBE SMP, 3BA, etc). Check your textures. I use UUNP, and it seems quite a few of Blue's mods aren't compatible.
KillinCuzICan Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, 1337DragonWolf said: I use UUNP, and it seems quite a few of Blue's mods aren't compatible. Yeah, they seem to favor CBBE.
1337DragonWolf Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 3 hours ago, KillinCuzICan said: Yeah, they seem to favor CBBE. Lame.
w234aew Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, 1337DragonWolf said: Lame. Anyone playing in SE already has to replace the meshes and textures anyway (even if they use CBBE SE/SMP/3BA), since the included ones are CBBE LE. It's just a matter of unpacking the BSA (use BSAOpt), replace Body Textures ( body, body_n, body_msn, hands, feet, face, etc) and meshes (body, feet, hands, head), and repack. It's not hard to do, just takes a little time and patience. Edited January 25, 2022 by w234aew
DeepBlueFrog Posted January 25, 2022 Author Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1337DragonWolf said: Lame. I started with UNP a long time ago.. .then CBBE got better with Bodyslides, so I moved to that... when UNP got better again from BodySldies support, I just didn't have the stomach to start all over again. And I certainly do not have the bandwidth to support all body models out there so I am afraid you are stuck with CBBE or whatever I can get my hands on for special bodies Edited January 25, 2022 by DeepBlueFrog
Fuzzy_Fox Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 11 hours ago, 1337DragonWolf said: I use UUNP, and it seems quite a few of Blue's mods aren't compatible. It is easy enough to change the bodies DeepBlueFrog uses. I swap out the CBBE bodies because I don't like them and prefer UUNP in LE. Now I am playing in SE (pre AE) and use BHUNP bodies, each time these mods update I just rebuild the body for bimbo with BHUNP sliders, and when BHUNP is updated I just update my sliders for the bimbo. Takes about half an hour to do and to test to make sure it all works. What ever texture and mesh is in the folder structure it will overwrite what ever is in the BSA.
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