Fuzzy_Fox Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 16 hours ago, wardrake said: forgot to add, is the npc's in this mod the current/only . . . , i know they give you the curses but they the only to advance the hormone lvls or does that occour daily with sex acts (sex, rest advance curse) ? i looked at the how to male hormone and female hormone are at such lvl and it begins the curse's, can the base npc's like lidia ect affect the curse's ? or is it only the mods npc's that work or will you add npc's like lidia if not already as activators in the curse (or is that to complicated, if so ignore that) Having interactions with honey and the outcasts. in an earlier version of this i had an outcast give me the sexchange curse, the forcibly blonde quest became active but i couldn't talk to honey or outcasts about it, is this fixed with the current version. Will there be other ways to get cursed such as by a trap, potion or spell in an upcoming version ? i do apologize for these bothersome questions mostly just curious. This is still one of the most interesting mods i've come across. can't wait to see my character's body morph in a future version. keep up the awesome work. The mod looks for keywords such as "Daedric". I have made my own patches with various Daedric followers and changed their keywords to include this one. So they now act like Daedra when my character has sex with them. The only follower that I know of that comes with this keyword out of the box is Alicia made by the same author as this mod.
LinksSword Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 16 hours ago, Saviorsrd said: I've tested with commas, but I'm reasonably certain quotation marks will screw it up badly enough that I'm scared to try since they're used in a couple of places as part of the syntax. Single quotes should be fine, I think. Best to try it with a test save (or at least a test run you have no intent of seriously playing with. EDIT: I just realized you meant the format DBF gave - yeah, that's required, I was thinking more of their use in the msg event. i doubt anything serious will happen if you use it, if its wrong then the apply of the spell just won't work i reckon.
DeepBlueFrog Posted January 30, 2021 Author Posted January 30, 2021 A new version of Hormones is out with these changes: Note: Bimbo tattoos are still not working in this version. That's on my list for February. RELEASE NOTES for milestone Hormones 2021-01-31 Enhancements: Disabled toe and finger nail paint events when Bimbo effect is locked Add safety on first launch to delay changes until first time player sleeps Added more debug values to MCM Link frequency of Bimbo thoughts to number of hours since last sex Added hormonal influence from being Pregnant, Bimbo or Succubus Convert tokens from physical activity / outdoor into hormonal response on sleep Add Camilla Valerus to the default Bimbos list Update Hello comments from Honey to use the new Bimbo form list instead Create a form list to register Bimbo NPCs Add bimbo book to Hormones and place it in Cracked Tusk Keep Add sample cursed object for other modders Bug Fixes: Weight change is broken Incorrect update of Mod version number Broken image in Anise's field notes Cursed book and tonic do not change hormone levels
Balgin Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 You might want to tone down the Bimbo hormone gain from the book of giggles a little. Reading it with the Bimbo growth hormone at 0.8 has yielded 33-47 bimbo hormone in a single reading. So far after 3 reading I got 47, 45 and 33 in that order. The book encourages repeated reading but reading it a single time seems to get you halfway there.
nb097 Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 Is there any chance of adding a toggle for making body changes for those added to _SLS_BimboNPClist? I'm specifically thinking of Camilla, but I haven't seen the others in game yet so I might feel the same way about them. It's just the NIO scales applied to them are, well, a little extreme, at least in my game. And I can't seem to find where in the scripts it's making the change. At least I'm assuming that's what's doing it. I updated all your mods that I have installed (SLH, SLS, SD, SLD, Sisterhood), and that's when I noticed Camilla's tits had suddenly become balloons...
DeepBlueFrog Posted January 31, 2021 Author Posted January 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, nb097 said: Is there any chance of adding a toggle for making body changes for those added to _SLS_BimboNPClist? I'm specifically thinking of Camilla, but I haven't seen the others in game yet so I might feel the same way about them. It's just the NIO scales applied to them are, well, a little extreme, at least in my game. And I can't seem to find where in the scripts it's making the change. At least I'm assuming that's what's doing it. I updated all your mods that I have installed (SLH, SLS, SD, SLD, Sisterhood), and that's when I noticed Camilla's tits had suddenly become balloons... I do have plans to add a way to customize Bimbo NPCs. Right now, the size is hard coded in scripts attached to trigger boxes around the NPCs. The script for Camilla is: SLS_TRG_CamillaValeriusBimbo.psc The only way to change the size right now is to edit the script and recompile with the editor.
Balgin Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 Are we supposed to be seeing any changes right now? Apart from Nivenor's new dress I'm not seeing any visual changes with either her or Camilla. I know the body morphing doesn't work for me despite multiple skeleton reinstalls but now I suspect it's not working for npc's either.
DeepBlueFrog Posted January 31, 2021 Author Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Balgin said: Are we supposed to be seeing any changes right now? Apart from Nivenor's new dress I'm not seeing any visual changes with either her or Camilla. I know the body morphing doesn't work for me despite multiple skeleton reinstalls but now I suspect it's not working for npc's either. Unless you are using a special mod that gives you a unique mesh, the player character shares the same body mesh as NPCs. If morphs are not working for you, they will probably not work for them. The skeleton is one side of the equation.. the other side is to use a mesh that can make use of that skeleton. Which body mesh are you using?
Balgin Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, DeepBlueFrog said: Unless you are using a special mod that gives you a unique mesh, the player character shares the same body mesh as NPCs. If morphs are not working for you, they will probably not work for them. The skeleton is one side of the equation.. the other side is to use a mesh that can make use of that skeleton. Which body mesh are you using? As far as I can tell CBBE curvy (because YPS requires cbbe). So far in all my attempts with different MCM menu options for Hormones the clothes are changing size as if the body underneath them is changing but, whenever naked, it reverts back to it's normal form. I did manage to get the body changes working once and they'd work for a few seconds then revert back to normal. I lost the save and I can't remember the exact combination I tried at the time (I think it was back in 2019). I do know that I once used the racemenu sliders to customise a single character until I got a body that I was happy with. I've noticed that other characters I create might somehow be stuck using that body shape instead of their own. Possible suspected conflicts are YPS (unlikely since you've got the two working together) and Beeing Female. I'm not aware of using any other mods that control body shape. Sadly, beyond that, I don't have a lot of helpful information for you. Should I be rebuilding all garments and armour in bodyslide to use the Hormones bodyslide presets instead of cbbe curvy?
Balgin Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 37 minutes ago, ssd9465p said: I might have a partial answer to Nivenor's breasts not growing for Balgin - because we to my knowledge have no Bodyslide files (morphs) for her new outfit, NiNode changes won't do anything to it, if my understanding is correct. I confirmed this by removing her outfit, and her breasts underneath the outfit were (excessively) massive as expected. I checked Camilla, and with her outfit being one that I have run through Bodyslide, the curse was working out of the box. No changes for Camilla either, just to be clear.
nb097 Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 9 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said: I do have plans to add a way to customize Bimbo NPCs. Right now, the size is hard coded in scripts attached to trigger boxes around the NPCs. The script for Camilla is: SLS_TRG_CamillaValeriusBimbo.psc The only way to change the size right now is to edit the script and recompile with the editor. Awesome, thank you! And to @Balgin and @ssd9465p's discussion, node changes like this don't depend on Bodyslide morphs. Node scale changes work regardless of that (because they're scaling the nodes of the skeleton, which the mesh is weighted to; morphs are handled with the .tri files that are generated when you select "Build Morphs").
Balgin Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 18 minutes ago, nb097 said: Awesome, thank you! And to @Balgin and @ssd9465p's discussion, node changes like this don't depend on Bodyslide morphs. Node scale changes work regardless of that (because they're scaling the nodes of the skeleton, which the mesh is weighted to; morphs are handled with the .tri files that are generated when you select "Build Morphs"). Which is the main reason why I asked if I should rebuild everything using the hormones bodyslide presets.
DeepBlueFrog Posted January 31, 2021 Author Posted January 31, 2021 40 minutes ago, Balgin said: Which is the main reason why I asked if I should rebuild everything using the hormones bodyslide presets. The clothing morphs are separate from the body ones. If you say clothed NPCs shapes are changing normally, rebuilding them will not do much. You could try to rebuild the main body shape and see if that helps.
DeepBlueFrog Posted January 31, 2021 Author Posted January 31, 2021 5 hours ago, ssd9465p said: First, I want to thank DeepBlueFrog for developing this fantastic mod. I'm appreciative of your tremendous efforts and constant presence in the forums. I might have a partial answer to Nivenor's breasts not growing for Balgin - because we to my knowledge have no Bodyslide files (morphs) for her new outfit, NiNode changes won't do anything to it, if my understanding is correct. I confirmed this by removing her outfit, and her breasts underneath the outfit were (excessively) massive as expected. I checked Camilla, and with her outfit being one that I have run through Bodyslide, the curse was working out of the box. One issue I've come across is that I cannot get bimbo thoughts to appear, even with maximum hormone levels (bimbo, metabolism, female). That is, if a giggle event occurs, the sound file plays but no text accompanies it. All other text - the messageboxes, daily change cues with the curse, and the (Bimbo) sleep messages that start prior to the curse activating - are showing up as expected. In a much older version I didn't have this issue: I'm not sure if it was a bug, but I was pleased that after curing a day 4 bimbo curse on that older version, thoughts still appeared as long as my Bimbo hormone was high enough. I enjoy having the thoughts without the curse toggle activated; I'm not sure if it's intended/possible to have it work like that, but I prefer a much slower burn for changes, so holding back on the transformation while having the thoughts appeals to me a great deal. Thanks again for sharing your mods and expertise with the community. Make sure you checked the menu option to show status messages. The thoughts will not be printed if that option is unchecked.
Balgin Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said: The clothing morphs are separate from the body ones. If you say clothed NPCs shapes are changing normally, rebuilding them will not do much. You could try to rebuild the main body shape and see if that helps. Hmm. I just tried to rebuild the base body and either I did it wrong or it was a deceptively easy process which sadly achieved nothing. I've tried shape override off and on, Enable Queue Update/Enable NiOverride, change Net Immerse Modes and whatever combination of options I try it never seems to work. I've also reinstalled CBBE on two prior occasions trying to fix this in case my CBBE install was broken. I've always been able to change penis size but nothing else will change while naked (armour and clothing changes shape 'though). Something really doesn't want my characters to change shape very much. Additionally while I've downloaded the Hormones bodyslide preset and installed it in the correct folder it's not showing up as a preset to choose in the Bodyslide program. That's surely a sign that I must have done something wrong somewhere.
DeepBlueFrog Posted January 31, 2021 Author Posted January 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, ssd9465p said: Thanks for clarifying my understanding - though that doesn't explain to me how Nivenor's outfit hid her body changes for me and stripping her exposed the changed nodes, unless the effect was coincidentally being applied as I was doing so. On a new save file nothing is happening to her when I strip her, so there's probably something more afoot on my end. If I think I have it figured it out I'll post again. The clothing mesh has different weights for the breast morphs than the body mesh. That's a problem for all clothing/armors out there and that is why for example, some armors allow no pregnant bellies, a moderate pregnant belly or a huge one.
Wut1969 Posted February 1, 2021 Posted February 1, 2021 Camilla has grown 'a bit' in my playthrough, but I don't notice any other changes, like in either behavior or conversational topics. Will that change after I finish the Bleakfall Barrow quest? BTW; I'm using the Bimbo-CBBE-preset as the default bodyshape, so Camilla is now.. well, fully developed.
DeepBlueFrog Posted February 1, 2021 Author Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Wut1969 said: Camilla has grown 'a bit' in my playthrough, but I don't notice any other changes, like in either behavior or conversational topics. Will that change after I finish the Bleakfall Barrow quest? BTW; I'm using the Bimbo-CBBE-preset as the default bodyshape, so Camilla is now.. well, fully developed. She should behave like Honey, with random comments and bimbo thoughts when you say hello to her. If you have my Puppet Master patch, you can turn her into a puppet by dialogue.
Balgin Posted February 1, 2021 Posted February 1, 2021 44 minutes ago, DeepBlueFrog said: She should behave like Honey, with random comments and bimbo thoughts when you say hello to her. If you have my Puppet Master patch, you can turn her into a puppet by dialogue. Honey's supposed to have random comments now? I should try recruiting her on a new save as I honestly hadn't noticed many bimbo comments from her with the previous update.
DeepBlueFrog Posted February 1, 2021 Author Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Balgin said: Honey's supposed to have random comments now? I should try recruiting her on a new save as I honestly hadn't noticed many bimbo comments from her with the previous update. Yes. That should be part of the latest updates (December or January.. I can't remember).
Wut1969 Posted February 1, 2021 Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, DeepBlueFrog said: She should behave like Honey, with random comments and bimbo thoughts when you say hello to her. If you have my Puppet Master patch, you can turn her into a puppet by dialogue. I didn't install that patch, but I'll try the Hello option tonight.
Wut1969 Posted February 1, 2021 Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said: She should behave like Honey, with random comments and bimbo thoughts when you say hello to her. If you have my Puppet Master patch, you can turn her into a puppet by dialogue. I haven't met Honey yet in this playthrough, but Camilla doesn't have the 'Hello dialogue'. I do however have several other mods that mess with her, so it could well be something on my end. She does have the Puppet-dialogue, but as I don't use that, it leads to nothing.
DeepBlueFrog Posted February 1, 2021 Author Posted February 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Wut1969 said: I haven't met Honey yet in this playthrough, but Camilla doesn't have the 'Hello dialogue'. I do however have several other mods that mess with her, so it could well be something on my end. She does have the Puppet-dialogue, but as I don't use that, it leads to nothing. The hello topic may take a few attempts to come up... they are what she says before the dialogue topics show up... when you click on her to speak to her.
Wut1969 Posted February 1, 2021 Posted February 1, 2021 My experience so far; - Honey doesn't have the Hello dialogue option either - Both Honey as Camilla have the Puppet dialogue option - Camilla has much bigger boobs than Honey when dressed, but defaults to the standard body when she undresses I wish I could add something more helpful, but I'm really a noob when it comes to modding.
Balgin Posted February 1, 2021 Posted February 1, 2021 So here's an interesting development. I suspected that Camilla not changing might be a conflict with Bijin Wives so I set Hormones to load after Bijin Wives in my load order. Now, upon encountering her for the first time, she has considerably larger breasts than before but otherwise looks like her good old Bijin self. I was unable to get her out of her garments to check if her body was affected as well (I know, unable to get Camilla naked and intimate is practically unheard of) so I used the ring of fashion designer to remove her default inventory. She remained clothes, nothing was removed, and her tits went down to normal size. I reloaded the save a few times and each time she had big boobs but they shrunk down to normal sized knocked within a few seconds of loading (typically while her back was turned to sweep the floor). I suspect that might have been a fashion designer ring effect carrying over between reloads so I went and checked on Nivenor. This means I'll fire up the game again and see how things go with her. She now was back in her old clothes. Normal body. Normal look for her. So interestingly without having Hormones set to load after Bijin Wives Nivenor was wearing a bright white outfit. There might be something else in my load order conflicting with her inventory. Interesting as I'm not aware of anything. Honey & Camilla have puppet dialogue as Wut1969 mentioned. I should check Nivenor for that too. It seems to have replaced any other dialogue options they might have had. [Edit]Started up the game again. Entering the Riverwood trader means Camilla's knockers are enlarged but they go back down to normal size after a few seconds. Interestingly I've now set Hormones to load after Beeing Female to see if that finally fixes body morphing issues. For some reason Beeing Female was lower on the load list than Hormones. This might do it. It didn't. It seemed to make clothes no longer morph so I'll probably be undoing that load order change.[/Edit]
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