Simple Defeat

[Castoli]

how do i enslave ppl? i press the wheel menu on them after tying them up but there's no enslavement option

Edited July 6, 2024 by Castoli

[SpicyCaptcha]

Why the fuck is the 1.7.0 version behind a paywall?

[LynErso666]

Hey kewl stuff, but iz a lil too simple for me. But I still really like the sound of de-cloaking the mod. That's a...pretty old relic of primitive modding that has almost been wiped out completely, even in XPMSSE nowadays. I was wondering if you could add patch in your downloads that just replaces the OG SL Defeat's esp or what have you, with just your beautiful de-cloaked methodology, or is that pie in the sky? lol. Sounds simple, but might not be simple to just de-cloak the old one right? I had to ask. I would desperately love any little improvement or patch you can do for SL Defeat tho, anything really. Cuz I like it's options and I like the complex Defeat. But dam it needs luv. At least iz got a baby now right? But it still needs luv.

[Castoli]

9 hours ago, SpicyCaptcha said:

Why the fuck is the 1.7.0 version behind a paywall?

you can download version 1.7.1 for free here though
for what i understand the mod first gets uploaded to patreon, and then it gets uploaded here after some time

Edited July 7, 2024 by Castoli

[AClarky]

Thanks to simple defeat moder !

Well made mod !! It's a function that I want more than YACR, defat, and yamete

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have any intention of creating a function that knocks down with followers immediately like defeat in the future?

 

 

[hotrack]

Well, now. I saw in the Discord changelog about the Post Assault Addon.

Although the implementation of the SL-Defeat-like Animosity [NPC relationship rank to player decrease to Archenemy] is now moved directly to the Enslaving part, as opposed to the Assault part as in SL Defeat, I'm pretty much content with that since the people I try to make them hate me are ones I try to keep tied up anyway (and according to the changelog they can even sandbox in player homes as Archenemy-relationship rank slaves!).

I do however would suggest the animosity be toggleable/or extended to Enemy Slaves, or everyone really, since I do have unique NPC targets that I enslave who don't have vanilla crime-report factions [for exampIe, I edit the College's quest Hitting the Books to NOT disable 'The Caller' and get myself a free FemaleElfHaughty slave there and then get to hear her curse me after some 'assaulting'].

 

Once PAA comes out, I'll have to restart my game without the old SL Defeat.

Edited July 7, 2024 by hotrack

[DoroLL]

Found the bug.
NPC: Serana. 
Enemy: Female vampire.
PC defeated by female vampire. Just after, Serrana killed the female vampire. PC is down and won't get up.
At this time Serana was just after the reunion in Fort Dawnguard, Maybe this occurred because Serana was the PC tracking NPC.

[Normalnick]

On 7/7/2024 at 6:18 AM, LynErso666 said:

Hey kewl stuff, but iz a lil too simple for me. But I still really like the sound of de-cloaking the mod. That's a...pretty old relic of primitive modding that has almost been wiped out completely, even in XPMSSE nowadays. I was wondering if you could add patch in your downloads that just replaces the OG SL Defeat's esp or what have you, with just your beautiful de-cloaked methodology, or is that pie in the sky? lol. Sounds simple, but might not be simple to just de-cloak the old one right? I had to ask. I would desperately love any little improvement or patch you can do for SL Defeat tho, anything really. Cuz I like it's options and I like the complex Defeat. But dam it needs luv. At least iz got a baby now right? But it still needs luv.

Making a new SL Defeat from scratch would take less time than trying to optimize someone's else code. The post-assault addon will come with more features.
 

On 7/7/2024 at 11:49 AM, riorao said:

Do you have any intention of creating a function that knocks down with followers immediately like defeat in the future?

Nope

 

2 hours ago, DoroLL said:

Found the bug.
NPC: Serana. 
Enemy: Female vampire.
PC defeated by female vampire. Just after, Serrana killed the female vampire. PC is down and won't get up.
At this time Serana was just after the reunion in Fort Dawnguard, Maybe this occurred because Serana was the PC tracking NPC.

 

Please use chatgpt to translate your issue.

[LynErso666]

10 minutes ago, Normalnick said:

Making a new SL Defeat from scratch would take less time than trying to optimize someone's else code. The post-assault addon will come with more features.

 O wow that makes perfect sense now that I really think about it. Thanks anyways! And I appreciate u doing this work! A crazy amount of things I dont even used have been used to make things I do use so I appreciate any further modding on here. Much luv 💕

[DoroLL]

54 minutes ago, Normalnick said:

Making a new SL Defeat from scratch would take less time than trying to optimize someone's else code. The post-assault addon will come with more features.
 

Nope

 

 

Please use chatgpt to translate your issue.

Sorry, I have never used chatgpt. Now, I will write in Japanese, so please translate.

ドーンガードメインクエスト。
ガンマーとソリーヌをドーンガード砦に向かわせた後、ドーンガード砦でイスランと話してセラーナと再会。セラーナとデキソンを探しに行く。
そのクエストでPCが女性吸血鬼に敗北。アニメーションは開始されず、セラーナが女性吸血鬼をを殺した。PCは敗北ポーズの状態から立ち上がれない。
この時のセラーナは、まだ完全なフォロワーになっておらす、PCに追従するNPCなので発生したバグではないかと思う。

[DoroLL]

3 hours ago, DoroLL said:

Sorry, I have never used chatgpt. Now, I will write in Japanese, so please translate.

ドーンガードメインクエスト。
ガンマーとソリーヌをドーンガード砦に向かわせた後、ドーンガード砦でイスランと話してセラーナと再会。セラーナとデキソンを探しに行く。
そのクエストでPCが女性吸血鬼に敗北。アニメーションは開始されず、セラーナが女性吸血鬼をを殺した。PCは敗北ポーズの状態から立ち上がれない。
この時のセラーナは、まだ完全なフォロワーになっておらす、PCに追従するNPCなので発生したバグではないかと思う。

やはりドーンガードメインクエスト中のセラーナを同行させているとバグが発生するようです。

先ほど発生したバグ。

PCが山賊に敗北。アニメーションが開始されず、セラーナと山賊の戦闘が続く。すぐにPCは立ち上がったが、PCと山賊の互いの攻撃が当たらない。

[Normalnick]

3 hours ago, DoroLL said:

やはりドーンガードメインクエスト中のセラーナを同行させているとバグが発生するようです。

先ほど発生したバグ。

PCが山賊に敗北。アニメーションが開始されず、セラーナと山賊の戦闘が続く。すぐにPCは立ち上がったが、PCと山賊の互いの攻撃が当たらない。

Seems like an issue caused by using a SexLab patch. Do you have any files overwriting SexLab's original files?

[Normalnick]

On 7/6/2024 at 11:31 PM, SpicyCaptcha said:

Why the fuck is the 1.7.0 version behind a paywall?

(soon on my Patreon)

Post Assault Addon

 

All Slaves:

- You can "Enslave" tied-up victims.
- You can have any number of slaves.
- Slaves will follow the player.
- Slaves are invisible to everyone for convenience and stability.
- If the player is in combat, slaves will flee until combat ends.
- Slaves will never fight or draw their weapons.

- Enslaving a NPC will change their relationship rank towards you to Enemy (optional).
- You can put the NPC in a sack. Only 1 slave at a time in the inventory.
- You can't unequip the sack, but can release the slave from it. The sack has a weight of 80.
- You can assault the enslaved NPC. You can also choose between tags and ask a follower to assault or do a threesome.
- You can trap the enslaved NPC (only in Player houses). The enslaved NPC will wander around and never leave the place, just like changing their home.
 

Citizen Slave:
 

- Only 1 citizen slave at time.
- You can enslave another citizen if you leave your previous slave trapped in a player house.
- If you're seen with an enslaved citizen by someone (with a crime faction), they will report you and add 2000 bounty, but they will not do anything.
- If you're seen by a guard, they will directly attack you and the enslaved citizen will be released.
- Orcs, Brotherhood members, Followers, Potential Followers, Ally-Lover, Tied up, Defeated, and NPCs without a crime faction will not report you.

 

Enemy Slave:
 

- If leveled (bandits, fornsworn, etc), you can bring them to the guards to get paid.
- Nobody will report you (as long as the NPC doesn't have a crime faction).
 

MCM:
 

- Slave Key: Set the key to knock down NPCs. You can knockdown NPCs to put them in a bleedout state, allowing you to assault or tie up. Doing this while detected will result in bounty added as this count as attacking the npc. The same key can be used to open the slave menu and use the bag.

- Immersive Mode: Enslaving a citizen is a crime. You can disable this so you will not be reported nor attacked if you're seen with a enslaved citizen. Also disables the relationship rank changes. 
 

- Bandit slave value: Set how much gold you get from giving them to the guards (from 100-1000).
 

- Stockolm Syndrome: Set the chance for the NPC to "Fall in love" with the player and become an actual follower. When you trigger sex scenes (through the slave menu), there is a small chance that the slave will become a potential follower.
You can check if the NPC you're about to make a potential follower has some missions related in the wiki, if there is no mission or you completed all of them, it should be safe to turn them into followers.
 

- Teleport: Allows you to teleport all slaves to you except trapped slaves (debug).
 

[DoroLL]

54 minutes ago, Normalnick said:

Seems like an issue caused by using a SexLab patch. Do you have any files overwriting SexLab's original files?

I don't think this is the mod that causes the bug.

SexLab Framework SE v1.63.
Papyrus Util SE 3.9.
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/18855-sl-default-animation-remover/
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/15102-sexlab-sslanimationslots-3000-se/
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/243-sexlab-sperm-replacer/
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/25455-slgp-sexlab-grass-patch/

[hotrack]

On 7/11/2024 at 10:33 PM, Normalnick said:

(soon on my Patreon)

Post Assault Addon

 

All Slaves:

- You can "Enslave" tied-up victims.

- You can assault the enslaved NPC. You can also choose between tags and ask a follower to assault or do a threesome.

 

With SL Defeat, I used to sneak, taunt (force surrender), tie up Alva (the Morthal vampire), and leave her off tied up permanently at her/Hroggar's house. And thanks to SL Defeat mechanics, as a matter of roleplaying, after having a follower 'assault' her {to get that Archenemy relationship dialog lines} [I once was able to make SL Defeat Animosity work when I 'assault' an NPC, but now it only works when I make a follower do it] , I offer her up to Hroggar to 'assault' her through dialog (the SL Defeat NPC offer feature also have a simple payment/prostitution system, but I generally never ask for money).

Any chance PAA can see non-follower NPCs be offered to 'assault' the tied-up/slaves?

Edited July 17, 2024 by hotrack

[sila]

On 7/11/2023 at 1:41 AM, Normalnick said:

Keep in mind that if the victim is killed by a hit before reaching the specified health percentage, or if the hit itself causes the victim's death even within the specified percentage range, the scene will not trigger. It is normal for strong NPCs or creatures to not assault weaker NPCs.

 

Considering this, is there a way to ensure that hitting 0 will not kill the player with this mod? Or if this is something that is desired should I be looking for a different defeat mod? There are so many defeat mods now that I don't know which one to use anymore...

[DoroLL]

1 hour ago, sila said:

 

Considering this, is there a way to ensure that hitting 0 will not kill the player with this mod? Or if this is something that is desired should I be looking for a different defeat mod? There are so many defeat mods now that I don't know which one to use anymore...

Hello. My rating of the Defeat mod.
Naked Defeat SE 4.94 - Requires Zaz. I don't use Zaz it.
SL Defeat SSE 5.3.5 - Somewhat unstable.
SL Defeat SSE 5.3.6 Bane - Relatively stable. But, Animation may not start.
SL Baka Defeat 1.45 - Relatively stable. Requires Animation Motion Revolution and Baka Motion Data Pack.
SL Baka Defeat 1.50 - May destroy save data. I was destroyed 3 times.
Simple Defeat 1.7.1 - Most stable. I recommend it.

[DoroLL]

On 7/11/2024 at 11:18 PM, Normalnick said:

Seems like an issue caused by using a SexLab patch. Do you have any files overwriting SexLab's original files?

別のバグを見つけました。

1 - PCがドラゴンと戦っている最中に、背後から熊が襲ってきて敗北、アニメーションは開始されず戦闘が続くが、PCの攻撃が当たらない。

2 - PCがファルマーの個体と戦っている最中に、新たに別のファルマーが現れて攻撃され敗北、アニメーションは開始されず戦闘が続くが、PCの攻撃が当たらない。

セラーナの事例と考え合わせると、PCとPCが戦っている敵以外のNPCまたは敵がバグの原因のようです。

 

[E Boy]

Would there be a way to disable followers initiating assault?

[DoroLL]

1 hour ago, E Boy said:

Would there be a way to disable followers initiating assault?

Hello. There are no settings for follower. Only way is to change the NPC gender settings.

[Normalnick]

On 7/11/2024 at 12:13 PM, DoroLL said:

I don't think this is the mod that causes the bug.

SexLab Framework SE v1.63.
Papyrus Util SE 3.9.
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/18855-sl-default-animation-remover/
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/15102-sexlab-sslanimationslots-3000-se/
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/243-sexlab-sperm-replacer/
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/25455-slgp-sexlab-grass-patch/

Remove those files and try again in a new game.

 

On 7/17/2024 at 2:55 AM, hotrack said:

 

With SL Defeat, I used to sneak, taunt (force surrender), tie up Alva (the Morthal vampire), and leave her off tied up permanently at her/Hroggar's house. And thanks to SL Defeat mechanics, as a matter of roleplaying, after having a follower 'assault' her {to get that Archenemy relationship dialog lines} [I once was able to make SL Defeat Animosity work when I 'assault' an NPC, but now it only works when I make a follower do it] , I offer her up to Hroggar to 'assault' her through dialog (the SL Defeat NPC offer feature also have a simple payment/prostitution system, but I generally never ask for money).

Any chance PAA can see non-follower NPCs be offered to 'assault' the tied-up/slaves?

Nope.
 

On 8/3/2024 at 11:31 PM, E Boy said:

Would there be a way to disable followers initiating assault?

Use the SPID file.

[calvin_0]

a good defeat mod should have a way to exclude male follower, a way to exclude player from being a victim and most importunely, a way to send player to simple slavery++

 

you should also considering compatibility with slaverun for your enslavement add on.

[DoroLL]

17 hours ago, Normalnick said:

Remove those files and try again in a new game.

 

Nope.
 

Use the SPID file.

The current level is 75 and not intend to new start game, so tested with the overwrite mod disabled by MO2.
Location: Kagrumez.
Enemy: Dwarven Spider, Sphere, Ballista.
Follower: None.
The same bug as above. I think the multiple NPC/enemies are cause of the bug.

P.S. I'll retest with 1.7.2.

Edited August 10, 2024 by DoroLL

[DoroLL]

Simple Defeat 1.7.2 日本語化ファイルです。

SD172-JP.7z

[redhead1510]

Have you considered making an Ostim conversion at all? it kind of sucks we can't use it ;-;