Alessia Wellington Posted June 2, 2023 Posted June 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, deadjester226 said: The point is that it just seems impractical. And distracts from the actual image.
Guest Posted June 2, 2023 Posted June 2, 2023 2 hours ago, davisev5225 said: We're not talking about professional work, nor is your comparison apples-to-apples. Professionals don't tilt the image when they take it then crop all (4) corners to straighten it back up in post-processing, they just get a higher resolution image sensor and frame the subject material properly to begin with. It's a "hack" for low-resolution cameras that only ever existed in the amateur space and has always been considered dumb. We also don't have the low-resolution camera problem anymore, so the only reason anyone does it is because they think it gives the photo "style" (see: pretension about being a professional). No one likes it other than the person who took the photo. I can confirm this because my grandfather is a professional photographer. I sent him a copy of this message and he said it's correct.
davisev5225 Posted June 2, 2023 Posted June 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, deadjester226 said: I can confirm this because my grandfather is a professional photographer. I sent him a copy of this message and he said it's correct. More fun facts: most professional photographers didn't even bother with the early digital cameras because the grain count in film was effectively much higher a "resolution" than digital cameras could produce. If they needed digital images, they'd take film photos and scan them with high resolution scanners instead. Scanner image resolution outpaced digital cameras for quite a number of years. Edited June 2, 2023 by davisev5225
Guest Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 26 minutes ago, davisev5225 said: More fun facts: most professional photographers didn't even bother with the early digital cameras because the grain count in film was effectively much higher a "resolution" than digital cameras could produce. If they needed digital images, they'd take film photos and scan them with high resolution scanners instead. Scanner image resolution outpaced digital cameras for quite a number of years. My grandfather mostly does wedding, prom, and family photos for people who can't afford to have a photography studio do the photos (that shit is expensive). The thing is that he doesn't cheap out on the quality. He has high def cameras and everything for the photos he does, and he doesn't need to tilt the cameras or any of that. I know this because I've seen him do it. For example, I went with him one day for a wedding he was taking pics for. He just took the pics, took his camera home, did some touching up with the lighting and such, then printed them. He didn't do anything else, and the pics turned out amazing. For confirmation, that couple said they loved the photos.
Guest Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, deadjester226 said: I’m not saying the screenshots are bad or anything, because most screenshots that have that look fine. It just makes the image harder to look at because I feel like I have to tilt my head to get a better look. The point is that it just seems impractical. I took some time to found out how they tilt the screenshots , I believe it can have many uses, but really depends what do you wanna do with it. ? I personally would use it to get a most out in certain shots, then rotate it Spoiler Which I admit, a lot more difficult than it seems, cause results may remain tilted ? Edited June 3, 2023 by Resdayn
KoolHndLuke Posted June 4, 2023 Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) Tilted perspective can be for a lot of reasons I suppose. I only use it to fill a fixed file size better (like with my avatar). But honestly, It can look pretty cool if done 'right' and infrequently. The most common reason I can think of to use it is to give the image a more dramatic angle, thus making it stand out better or to emphasize a particular part or to convey a better sense of something (like in an action capture). Better alignment and/or 'fill' could also be a reason I guess because an artist wants more or less of something in the foreground or background for better overall balance. For instance, having a few blades of grass in the foreground corner to contrast an object in the background giving a better sense of depth. Still one more consideration for it may be that the artist is storyboarding and needs space somewhere in the image for words. Also, in a series of shots it helps to break up an otherwise potentially monotonous presentation and is intended to help it 'flow' more easily. Used to see this last one demonstrated in various magazines of either the porn variety or comic strips. Edited June 4, 2023 by KoolHndLuke
steelpanther24 Posted June 4, 2023 Posted June 4, 2023 On 6/2/2023 at 4:02 PM, mircislav said: It was invented for the scissor pose: But peoples like to abuse that... The scissor pose or tilting?
steelpanther24 Posted June 4, 2023 Posted June 4, 2023 On 6/2/2023 at 6:09 PM, deadjester226 said: I can confirm this because my grandfather is a professional photographer. I sent him a copy of this message and he said it's correct. Though through this interesting topic forum, I appreciate the information that @Etrius vanRandr posted. Guess you never know which thread will lead to enlightenment.
Guest Posted June 4, 2023 Posted June 4, 2023 So they can Cross our eyes and dot our T's, It always has made my eyes hurt, I agree with @davisev5225 inexperience in Photography.
ramrod126 Posted June 4, 2023 Posted June 4, 2023 On 6/2/2023 at 1:49 AM, Etrius vanRandr said: Angle helps fill the shot with more content of the subject. Take these two for example. I only have 1920 pixels across and 1080 up, but diagonally I have ~2203 pixels according to the Pythagorean theorem. Is that Automation? If so nice job. IT has been a minute since I've played. I really to get in there and check out all the new stuff. I watch the dev updates on youtube and there is a ton of cool new stuff.
NickNozownik Posted June 4, 2023 Posted June 4, 2023 I don't mind tilted screenshots as long as they're not from a mod page. I hate clicking on a mod, going to the screenshot tab only to see tilted screenshot made in I M M E R S I V E ENB pitch black darkness. I don't know about Skyrim, but I've seen a few of those on FO4 Nexus. I'm like what in the absolute fuck is this supposed to be? Ah, yes, camo. It looks like camo on her pants. And all the gun mods not showing how it looks like in first person No, stay on topic, don't get tilted. It's just a mod.
davisev5225 Posted June 4, 2023 Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said: Tilted perspective can be for a lot of reasons I suppose. I only use it to fill a fixed file size better (like with my avatar). But honestly, It can look pretty cool if done 'right' and infrequently. The most common reason I can think of to use it is to give the image a more dramatic angle, thus making it stand out better or to emphasize a particular part or to convey a better sense of something (like in an action capture). Better alignment and/or 'fill' could also be a reason I guess because an artist wants more or less of something in the foreground or background for better overall balance. For instance, having a few blades of grass in the foreground corner to contrast an object in the background giving a better sense of depth. Still one more consideration for it may be that the artist is storyboarding and needs space somewhere in the image for words. Also, in a series of shots it helps to break up an otherwise potentially monotonous presentation and is intended to help it 'flow' more easily. Used to see this last one demonstrated in various magazines of either the porn variety or comic strips. Yes, but the tilt in your avatar is actually stylized, and easily ignored. It can't be more than 10 degrees of rotation, which can be easily dismissed as "the character was leaning when the image was taken" (or drawn, or whatever). The background also doesn't give any indications that the image is deliberately tilted - it's quite possible for a hill/ridge/etc. to have that level of slope to it. That's wholly different from rotating something to damn near 45 degrees just because "I need muh pixels" idiots don't know how to frame a subject properly. Even the argument presented by @Etrius vanRandr is disingenuous at best because they failed to give any reason at all (not even one that doesn't hold up) for WHY the extra pixels would be needed for that car screenshot. There's plenty of detail in the properly-framed, flat shot to identify the car and its various features. The tilted shot adds nothing extra other than a headache and a crick in the neck. Edited June 4, 2023 by davisev5225
steelpanther24 Posted June 4, 2023 Posted June 4, 2023 32 minutes ago, davisev5225 said: Yes, but the tilt in your avatar is actually stylized, and easily ignored. It can't be more than 10 degrees of rotation, which can be easily dismissed as "the character was leaning when the image was taken" (or drawn, or whatever). The background also doesn't give any indications that the image is deliberately tilted - it's quite possible for a hill/ridge/etc. to have that level of slope to it. That's wholly different from rotating something to damn near 45 degrees just because "I need muh pixels" idiots don't know how to frame a subject properly. Even the argument presented by @Etrius vanRandr is disingenuous at best because they failed to give any reason at all (not even one that doesn't hold up) for WHY the extra pixels would be needed for that car screenshot. There's plenty of detail in the properly-framed, flat shot to identify the car and its various features. The tilted shot adds nothing extra other than a headache and a crick in the neck. Tilting does help sell houses though, at least according to South Park: Spoiler
davisev5225 Posted June 4, 2023 Posted June 4, 2023 21 minutes ago, steelpanther24 said: Tilting does help sell houses though, at least according to South Park Oh, well in that case, carry on! ?
Guest Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 On 6/4/2023 at 3:43 PM, davisev5225 said: Yes, but the tilt in your avatar is actually stylized, and easily ignored. It can't be more than 10 degrees of rotation, which can be easily dismissed as "the character was leaning when the image was taken" (or drawn, or whatever). The background also doesn't give any indications that the image is deliberately tilted - it's quite possible for a hill/ridge/etc. to have that level of slope to it. That's wholly different from rotating something to damn near 45 degrees just because "I need muh pixels" idiots don't know how to frame a subject properly. Even the argument presented by @Etrius vanRandr is disingenuous at best because they failed to give any reason at all (not even one that doesn't hold up) for WHY the extra pixels would be needed for that car screenshot. There's plenty of detail in the properly-framed, flat shot to identify the car and its various features. The tilted shot adds nothing extra other than a headache and a crick in the neck. Allow me to illustrate what this means for people who don't get it. This is a sexy screenshot I took. Spoiler This is the same screenshot with a light tilt to make my head, shoulders and butt line up. Looks good, right? OK. Spoiler Here's the same screenshot with the insane tilt most people use for... something about pixels? Spoiler Yeah. This is how I feel while trying to look at this. My fraggin' neck... Spoiler
steelpanther24 Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 I wonder if our own personal biases come into play in how we feel about tilting. Reading several of these posts, I wonder if we see one part more artistic and willing to see a different "way" while most of us want a familiar way. In your example @deadjester226, when you tilt the image, I was like "oh that is not good." Of course, I would throw out the bookcase below, and can't see it for art either, so....maybe I have no clue. 1
Alessia Wellington Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 1 minute ago, steelpanther24 said: I would throw out the bookcase below Hey, at least the books won't fall out of that one. Not that it matters as I don't have any books. 1
Alessia Wellington Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 30 minutes ago, deadjester226 said: Here's the same screenshot with the insane tilt most people use for... something about pixels? Looks like you're falling over.
Guest Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, steelpanther24 said: I wonder if our own personal biases come into play in how we feel about tilting. Reading several of these posts, I wonder if we see one part more artistic and willing to see a different "way" while most of us want a familiar way. In your example @deadjester226, when you tilt the image, I was like "oh that is not good." Of course, I would throw out the bookcase below, and can't see it for art either, so....maybe I have no clue. For me, it's about the practicality of it. The whole reason for tilting an image is about adjusting the perspective. An example is of the second version of the screenshot in my previous post. Spoiler Like this, the image is a little better to look at because I'm more evened out, as opposed to the unedited image- Spoiler Where I'm a little more tilted down. At least, that's how I see it. The point is that there's a point where creativity becomes absurdity. People tilting their images to the point where they're almost at a 90 degree angle is just insane. I'm not going to tell someone how to do something, but that doesn't mean I have to like what they do. Edited June 6, 2023 by deadjester226
Guest Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 53 minutes ago, Alessia Wellington said: Hey, at least the books won't fall out of that one. Not that it matters as I don't have any books. I have a small library in my house. Not really, but you get the idea.
Guest Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 50 minutes ago, Alessia Wellington said: Looks like you're falling over. I know, and I hate it. I honestly don't see the appeal behind doing that.
Alessia Wellington Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 1 minute ago, deadjester226 said: I know, and I hate it. I honestly don't see the appeal behind doing that. Pretty much the same here. I even get mad at my own screenshots when they're off-angle.
Guest Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 I get the argument, it's like when an action movie has soooo much camera shake you want to puke. That being said, I get the tilt. It supposed to create drama, and lure the viewer (didn't mean to rhyme that) in. Also, in my experience I rarely look at a sexual partner normal level lol. So, realism?
Alessia Wellington Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, zelphador23 said: Also, in my experience I rarely look at a sexual partner normal level But unlike me, you do see 'em.
donttouchmethere Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 2 hours ago, steelpanther24 said: Of course, I would throw out the bookcase below, and can't see it for art either, so....maybe I have no clue. But... but it's awesome. No more worries where to store all those loose screws, salt, noodles, spice, candies, potatoes and overfilled ashtrays. 1
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