Incest Fetish

[Miauzi]

Am 26.10.2022 um 17:12 Uhr sagte Gukahn:

Um ehrlich zu sein? Es ist ein Tabu der Größeren, ich selbst mag die Vater-Tochter-, Mutter-, Tochter-+Vater-Art oder Schwester x Schwester. Nur weil es ein Tabu ist und schmutzig klingt. Selbst zu wissen, dass es nicht nur nicht richtig, sondern sogar ungesund für die Nachkommen ist, ist irgendwie heiß.

Das Gleiche gilt für andere Taboo Fantasys, wie ich manchmal in meinem Blog Bestien mache, oder Vergewaltigungs- und Zwangsszenen mit Ergebnissen, die niemals realistisch wären und niemals als solche betrachtet werden sollten.

 

Tabus sind etwas, was wir Menschen schon immer interessant, ja sogar erotisch fanden. Das Lustige ist, ich könnte mir nicht vorstellen, Sex mit einer Schwester zu haben, noch weniger mit einer Tochter von mir (Yikes.) Aber es ist immer noch ein Porno, den ich gerne schaue oder lese. Es läuft also alles auf „Fantasie soll nicht viel Sinn machen und muss keinen Triggerpunkt in Ihrem Leben haben. Sie kann einfach da sein.“

 

 

and the effect on unhealthy offspring has not even been directly proven.
Yes - the close genetic relationship increases the risk of genetic damage becoming dominant - only there are no CONCRETE numbers on the part of science - only comparisons with breeding lines (over longer periods of time) in domesticated mammals.
Is sex between ADULTS and close relatives punishable by law?
As a matter of fact, almost everyone answers -> with yes
and is mostly wrong.
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I'm making a very conscious reference to real life here - precisely because virtual mental cinema and the reality of life can never be completely decoupled!
A few years ago here in D-Land we had a fairly well-known case of a brother and sister - who were separated at birth - meeting as adults without knowing that they were directly related...
..and not only did they have sex, they also had children. The first child then both found out that they were brother and sister. But that didn't stop their love for each other.
And now the state comes with the police, prosecutors and courts.
Of course, the two were forbidden any further sex - according to German laws.
But what can be specifically forbidden - well - that's what lawyers then explained to us (members of a large BDSM forum).
- is anal sex forbidden? -> NO!
- is oral sex forbidden? -> NO!
- is vaginal sex forbidden? -> YES!
huh What?
Only sex is forbidden (here in Germany) - which (hypothetically) can lead to procreation!
Incidentally, this is also forbidden if, for example, the woman is not 100% reproductive - e.g. because her ovaries have been surgically removed.
Such a thing had NOT interested the legislator when he made his law about it.
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And of course at that time (a good 10 years ago) all the pros and cons were discussed in the BDSM forum - far beyond the legal or exclusively limited to "real-life" issues.

Yes - virtual space offers the possibility to "act things out" (mentally) - only the underlying causes of these fantasies come from "real" life - as well as the reasons why we consider them "wicked" or "forbidden" etc.

[Miauzi]

16 minutes ago, RohZima said:

 

Wow, was für eine Explosion aus der Vergangenheit. Ich erinnere mich, davon gehört zu haben. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich dieser öffentlichen Erklärung glaube; wirkt zu lächerlich. Klingt nach einem Testfall, um die Reaktion der Öffentlichkeit abzuschätzen.

 

verboten Sie haben also die uninteressanteste Art von Sex ? Lol.

 

Spaß beiseite, ich bin überrascht, dass nur Fortpflanzung verboten ist; es impliziert, dass es keinen moralischen Inhalt hat, nur biologischen. Zumindest entspricht das einer „wissenschaftlichen“ Gesellschaft.

 

The thing with "science" is actually only put forward to distract from the real - namely the religious - reason.
Otherwise one would have made an exception (medically) in the case of verifiable infertility in the law!
All in all, however, it all fits into a very uptight society that is full of hypocrisy and double standards...

..for many, only vaginal intercourse counts as sex - everything else is just "no sex" - that's something but "no sex"
Dominatrixes don't count themselves as prostitutes either - because they don't have (vaginal) sexual intercourse with their guest (whom they never call a "customer" - because only hookers have "customers") - if they make the guest cum with their hand, that's loud Definition -> "no sex"

and so this society is always deluding itself - completely "over-sexualized" but nobody has "sex"
*sarcasm*

[Gukahn]

8 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

 

6 hours ago, RohZima said:

Wow, what a blast from the past

It rings a bell somewhere.. I can't quite remember everything but I think I've read about it too ?

 

Pretty german to forbid only sex acts that can lead to children tho.. I mean really it's just such a german thing to do ?

[Miauzi]

Vor 46 Minuten sagte Gukahn:

 

Irgendwo klingelt es.. Ich kann mich nicht mehr ganz an alles erinnern, aber ich glaube, ich habe auch schon darüber gelesen ?

 

Ziemlich deutsch, nur sexuelle Handlungen zu verbieten, die zu Kindern führen können

may be - but I just don't know how the laws in other ("western") countries are designed

[KoolHndLuke]

4 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

may be - but I just don't know how the laws in other ("western") countries are designed

Yeah, well you can look it up some time. But I'd like to keep this in the fantasy realm if you please. 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Yeah, well you can look it up some time. But I'd like to keep this in the fantasy realm if you please. 

> You know, in our country talking about incest is taboo subject, but people more freely talks about bestiality, although with more causes. I am sure that there a much more combinations of incest in practice that some will admit. And not all or most incest father-daughter, mother-son incestuous practice comes out of broken parent-sibling relationship.

Edited November 9, 2022 by Evaloves4

[mehGusta]

i think, like it was mentioned here before, the taboo plays a big part in this. this however begs the question why some people like 1 taboo and not another, while others might see it the exact opposite way.

there is even differences within the kink. for example do i personally like father-daughter very much, while at the same time i don't like mother-son incest. i've wondered about this for some time when i noticed the discrepancy. i realized what the cause for it was when i looked at brother-sister incest, as i am leaning towards older brother - younger sister in that regard. it's the age play.

 

furthermore i have seen stories that changed sibling incest into childhood friend stories to evade censor. going as far as to claim that the childhood friends trope is just an incest sibling story in disguise.

i disagree fully. i believe that sibling incest is childhood friends with taboo as spice.

 

evolutionary speaking, all life always tried to not reproduce within the same family. people brought up in the same environment are biologically inclined to not find each other eligible as sexual partners. this leads me to think that incest fantasies and real incest are two wholly different things, only having the act of incestuous sex linking the two.

a brother and sister brought up seperately and then meeting after having become adults. leading them to be romantically involved with each other, does not incite them to have an incestuous relationship with each other. they didn't know it was one.

a woman asking her lover to play as if he was her brother, has the incest as subject. and none of the risks.

 

to get back to my earlier statement that sibling incest is childhood friends with added spice, i think that all kinds of fantasy incest kinks are roleplay kinks in the first place.

some people like having their partner dote on them like a father. why not play it like he is your actual father and you his daughter, to make it an exciting taboo?

some people like the mom of one of their friends, or have neighbor they fancy. why not imagine her being your aunt on top of that?

some people have a lover who is simultaneously their best friend. why not imagine having lived with them their whole life like siblings?

 

i mean i could apply that to bestiality as well. it might be the primal urge, humiliation, a wild partner or objectification.

 

so, why some taboos are liked more than others, is because the taboo is not the goal, but merely a spice.

why incest is such a popular taboo, is because it's so very easily applied and has the broadest range of any kink ever.

[Mexicola88]

Some things should just be forbidden, i mean you gotta draw a line somewhere. And for me that is incest, bestiality, pedophilia, permanent damage to persons like amputation etc. and other disgusting things.

 

Ppl fantasizing about any of that, are just sick fucks IMO.

[beefers]

since I am only into g/g, I have a thing for twin sisters.  Twins, Basil.... TWINS!!  And it just so happens that more and more twin sisters are finding that webcams are a great way to make money so there is quite a bit of material out there if you look for it and most are very attractive and seem into it.

 

I also LOVE the idea of mother/daughter but since most of the mothers and daughters that would engage in such activity are about as attractive as you'd imagine... yeah, boner killer.  Even the "fantasy taboo" or older/younger stuff employs old, worn-out, fake-tit porn skanks so again... wood killer.

 

 

[Idyll]

On 11/11/2022 at 9:35 AM, Mexicola88 said:

Some things should just be forbidden, i mean you gotta draw a line somewhere. And for me that is incest, bestiality, pedophilia, permanent damage to persons like amputation etc. and other disgusting things.

 

Ppl fantasizing about any of that, are just sick fucks IMO.

 

At every level, do you mean?

 

I mean, would you truly put those truly performing these acts in the same basket as those who merely find it attractive to some extent, I wonder?

[Speed Metal]

On 11/11/2022 at 3:35 PM, Mexicola88 said:

Some things should just be forbidden, i mean you gotta draw a line somewhere. And for me that is incest, bestiality, pedophilia, permanent damage to persons like amputation etc. and other disgusting things.

 

Ppl fantasizing about any of that, are just sick fucks IMO.

Where's the fun if you can't use someone's head to strike a home run? Or shooting their leg clean off?

[Miauzi]

Well - you can express your opinion.
but you should be careful not to act like someone "normal" who judges the "perversion" of others
and
while having their own fetishes and preferences that more than 50% of the western world considers "sick" and "perverted".
even the fairly harmless "latex" fetish - e.g. wearing a latex mask on the face - is classified in this way.

there's no use pointing to another "minority" and shouting out loud - that they would be much more perverted.
a mob with pitchforks in their hands doesn't care...
..to present it drastically exaggerated

[Mexicola88]

Shooting of limbs in a shooter is not a sexual fetish, that is just violence. But wanking fantasizing about women, that have no arms and legs and are basicly just a torso with head is sick as fuck. This is what i mean, not basic videogame gore.

 

@MiauziSo your okay with it, if ppl are wanking to child porn? I mean how should this be okay in any way?

Edited November 15, 2022 by Mexicola88

[Miauzi]

Vor 6 Minuten sagte Mexicola88:

Das Schießen von Gliedmaßen in einem Shooter ist kein sexueller Fetisch, das ist nur Gewalt. Aber über Frauen zu wichsen, die keine Arme und Beine haben und im Grunde nur ein Torso mit Kopf sind, ist scheiße. Das meine ich, nicht einfachen Videospiel-Gore.

 

@Miauzi Also bist du damit einverstanden, wenn Leute zu Kinderpornos wichsen? Ich meine, wie sollte das in irgendeiner Weise in Ordnung sein?

 

I don't respond to such stupid trick questions
So please stop trying to provoke me here

for the majority of the population, your own (harmless) latex fetishes (like the "condom suit") are already far too much to be considered "normal".

so much self-reflection you should please muster and stick your raised index finger

[Speed Metal]

17 minutes ago, Mexicola88 said:

Shooting of limbs in a shooter is not a sexual fetish

Yeah, sure. Live in your boring bubble.

[Mexicola88]

23 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

I don't respond to such stupid trick questions
So please stop trying to provoke me here

for the majority of the population, your own (harmless) latex fetishes (like the "condom suit") are already far too much to be considered "normal".

so much self-reflection you should please muster and stick your raised index finger

It's a hell of a big difference, between some harmless material fetish and child porn, amputation, incest, bestiality etc. if you don't understand that, then i feel sorry for you. Then you are a really fucked up person, and you are not even aware of it it seems.

[Mr. Otaku]

Oh i'm gonna have fun with this one. Time to reactivate my debatelord mode.

 

On 11/11/2022 at 6:35 AM, Mexicola88 said:

Some things should just be forbidden, i mean you gotta draw a line somewhere. And for me that is incest, bestiality, pedophilia, permanent damage to persons like amputation etc. and other disgusting things.

 

Ppl fantasizing about any of that, are just sick fucks IMO.

 

The whole premise of your argument is nonsensical because incest, beastiality, pedophilia and amputation are not even remotely comparable to each other. It's like saying pickpocketing, burglary, rape and murder are equally bad, doesn't make any sense now does it? The things you mentioned "can be bad" when you measure the effect they've had but they're on completely different levels of effectiveness.

 

Incest "can be bad" if it leads to pregnancy because the resulting child will have birth defects and health complications. But if an incestuous sex occurs between two adult blood relatives without any resulting pregnancy then was it physically any different from any other sex? No.

 

Yet somehow you presented ^ this as "equally bad" as chopping off your limbs for fetish and pedophilia which involves fucking underdeveloped children who can't consent. You really didn't think too much about this stuff before firing off your comments and it shows. If you're gonna debate me then go ahead but you won't enjoy it in the slightest, just saying.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Mr. Otaku
Ninja Edit

[Mexicola88]

7 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said:

Oh i'm gonna have fun with this one. Time to reactivate my debatelord mode.

 

 

The whole premise of your argument is nonsensical because incest, beastiality, pedophilia and amputation are not even remotely comparable to each other. It's like saying pickpocketing, burglary, rape and murder are equally bad, doesn't make any sense now does it? The things you mentioned "can be bad" when you measure the effect they've had but they're on completely different levels of effectiveness.

 

Incest "can be bad" if it leads to pregnancy because the resulting child will have birth defects and health complications. But if an incestuous sex occurs between two adult blood relatives without any resulting pregnancy then was it physically any different from any other sex? No.

 

Yet somehow you presented ^ this as "equally bad" as chopping off your limbs for fetish and pedophilia which involves fucking underdeveloped children who can't consent. You really didn't think too much about this stuff before firing off your comments and it shows. If you're gonna debate me then go ahead but you won't enjoy it in the slightest, just saying.

I mentioned this stuff in one sentence mostly because it's all terrible and because it's all against the law in probably so pretty much every country. So there is nothing "nonsensical" about it.

[Mr. Otaku]

5 minutes ago, Mexicola88 said:

I mentioned this stuff in one sentence mostly because it's all terrible and because it's all against the law in probably so pretty much every country. So there is nothing "nonsensical" about it.

 

By your logic being gay is terrible cause it's also banned in most countries, you wanna die on that hill? I knew you were all hot air but i didn't think you'd be this unprepared, i've seen 4chan kids put more effort into their arguments and more capable of nuance than you. At least try a little lmao.

[Mr. Otaku]

28 minutes ago, RohZima said:

That line was sufficient.

 

Yeah well, i like to be thorough. Especially when dealing with special type of individuals.

[Mexicola88]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

 

By your logic being gay is terrible cause it's also banned in most countries, you wanna die on that hill? I knew you were all hot air but i didn't think you'd be this unprepared, i've seen 4chan kids put more effort into their arguments and more capable of nuance than you. At least try a little lmao.

Being gay isn't illegal in most countries, no idea how you come to that conclusion. Just because gay ppl can't marry everywhere, doesn't make it illegal there.

 

And i don't need to "win" an argument here or something, like i give a fuck about that.

 

Some things are forbidden and illegal for a reason, and i got nothing else to add to that topic other than that. Go celebrate your "victory" pff.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Mexicola88

[KoolHndLuke]

24 minutes ago, RohZima said:

There is most certainly a barrier between fantasy and reality

Absolutely! Otherwise I think most ppl would be dead now and those left of us would inhabit a savage, barren rock. To me.... the whole point of fantasizing about things you'd never do in RL is simply a safe way to blow off steam, sexual tension or whatever.

 

Would also remind everyone that we don't kink shame (moralize) on this site except for pedophilia.

[Miauzi]

Vor 29 Minuten sagte RohZima:

Aber trotzdem frage ich mich, kann jemand erklären, warum Inzest-Fetisch sexy ist? Wie können ein Bruder und eine Schwester, die sich sehr ähnlich sehen, sexy sein?

 

Was mir auffällt, ist, dass der Kontrast sexy ist ... Wie die Schöne und das Biest ...

 

Interracial, alt & jung, Frauen und Tiere, Frauen und Tentakelmonster – oder was auch immer. Wie kann es sexy sein, in die entgegengesetzte Richtung des Differentials zu gehen? Wenn Sie von Bro und Sis einen Schritt weiter gehen, haben Sie zwei Männer - like + like ...

 

Oder liege ich hier falsch?

you are not wrong - you are just "off the mark"

how do i explain that
Well - there are things that work e.g. for me (i.e. fetishes) - but not many people share them - so other fetishists do NOT

is that bad?
No - a psychologist (who treated me for "other" things) told me many years ago.
She said to me: "Child - be happy that you have more than just the "missionary position"...
..if all people were so simple, mankind would have died out long ago!"
So I'm happy to have an enriched sexuality through my fetishes - but that's why I don't envy other people's "special features" or portray them as "evil" - "deviant" or "perverted".

and so people share the "kink" of "sex between twin siblings" and others don't.

and for our constant outrage:
Anal sex between ADULT siblings isn't even illegal in D-Country!

[Mr. Otaku]

Just now, Mexicola88 said:

Being gay isn't illegal in most countries, no idea how you come to that conclusion.

 

What planet do you live in? Why're you lying about it when a a simple google search can prove you wrong?

 

2 minutes ago, Mexicola88 said:

And i don't need to "win" an argument here or something, like i give a fuck about that.

 

Well of course you don't give a fuck about literally being wrong but that doesn't stop you from being wrong whether you like it or not.

 

3 minutes ago, Mexicola88 said:

Some things are forbidden and illegal for a reason, and i got nothing else to add to that topic other than that. Go celebrate your "victory" pff.

 

"it's bad cause it's bad and there are ummmm reasons" where did your brain go? If you can't "win" after making bullshit arguments on a public forum and getting clapped then maybe STFU next time? Yeah, run along now i knew you couldn't handle the heat.

[Miauzi]

Vor 7 Minuten sagte KoolHndLuke:

Unbedingt! Sonst denke ich, dass die meisten Leute jetzt tot wären und die von uns übrig gebliebenen einen wilden, öden Felsen bewohnen würden. Für mich ... ist der ganze Sinn des Fantasierens über Dinge, die Sie in RL niemals tun würden, einfach ein sicherer Weg, um Dampf, sexuelle Spannungen oder was auch immer abzulassen.

 

Möchte auch jeden daran erinnern, dass wir auf dieser Seite keine Scham (moralisieren) außer Pädophilie.

 

this barrier can be very thin in real life

I, for example, was born in the "middle" of D-Land - in a mostly rural area.
And there are some "remote" villages - GENERATIONS of marriages and children were only within them
Yes - you can see these people when what happened in their past...
..but the hostility towards EVERY stranger was (and is) so strong even today in the 21st century - that even people from the neighboring village (barely 3 km away) are already so strange - that you usually don't even cross with them weather speaks

By the way - there is a fine legal difference between inbreeding and incest