SexLab Defeat

Shadowscale · June 8, 2015

Ive been using this mod for some time and it works as intended, but recently I updated a mod called Better Vampires By Brehanin (followed every instruction regarding update) and it works fine, but now, I think it affected a few unrelated mods, like Defeat, besides the completely random crashes I get when I load my save...Sexlab Defeat doesnt work, and when I say it doesnt work, i mainly refer to getting knocked down, and surrendring wont work, whatsoever, IF I try to surrender to any enemy, they just seathe their weapon and leave me alone (npcs that I have attacked), bandits and generally Hostile npcs by nature, just continue to attack me until Im dead, either IF i surrender or not.

Now the action key, (G) and everything it implies..Robbing, raping..etc, WORKS, BUT npcs no longer seem to sexually assault, and they just kill me even after I tried different setups in the MCM menu..What can I do to fix this?

Thank you for your help

Might be script lag.

UnCui · June 8, 2015

Ive been using this mod for some time and it works as intended, but recently I updated a mod called Better Vampires By Brehanin (followed every instruction regarding update) and it works fine, but now, I think it affected a few unrelated mods, like Defeat, besides the completely random crashes I get when I load my save...Sexlab Defeat doesnt work, and when I say it doesnt work, i mainly refer to getting knocked down, and surrendring wont work, whatsoever, IF I try to surrender to any enemy, they just seathe their weapon and leave me alone (npcs that I have attacked), bandits and generally Hostile npcs by nature, just continue to attack me until Im dead, either IF i surrender or not.

Now the action key, (G) and everything it implies..Robbing, raping..etc, WORKS, BUT npcs no longer seem to sexually assault, and they just kill me even after I tried different setups in the MCM menu..What can I do to fix this?

Thank you for your help

Might be script lag.

well...after an hour of trying to fix it, I finnaly gave up, and decided to re-install it, by completely removing the mod, and installing it again, so I took the necessary steps of the normal un-install procedure, also cleaned my save of orpghaned scripts with the save cleaner tool, then re-installed the mod..and now, it works, to a somewhat extent...if I surrender theres a chance the enemy will sexually assault the character, other times they wander off somewhere...they might come back and rape the charater, or attack the character...its mostly random, but about 80% of the time..it works, which its better than not working at all.

After several tests seems like my game stopped randomly crashing at load save, bigger problem still is the damn Creature framework which is Filling the papyrus log like crazy...besides the other warning I get.

Can somebody please, look into my papyrus log, and tell me what the hell is wrong with it? I dont notice any impact on the game..well aside from Defeat not working 100% like it did before..but ever since I updated Better Vampires its spamming the Log, and I dont think it should, And i dont want to take the chances of reinstalling Creature framework as well..god knows what IT might do to my save.

THanks again for help.

P.S. I just remembered this Papyrus log..is of a game session where I was testing if Defeat is working as intended..and during that time, I selected the option from the Creature Framework MCM menu, to basically, re-install the mod, which is why I think its filling the Log like that, also Reset the anim registry from Sexlab.

Aside from that, the most usual lines I get in the log is this script : _WetQuestScript.psc, which I guess origniates from the Wet and cold addon, probably telling me from what I can understand, that I miss some freaking mods which I never had installed in the first place, this makes no sense! why does Papyrus log always gets spammed from Wet and Called, about some mods I never had, is it normal if it does that?

Same goes for Sexlabaroused.esm, CF says it's not loaded, but of course it's not loaded cause I never installed it, so why the need to Mention it? last I checked Sexlabaroused isn't a requirement for Creature Framework, or Sexlab framework to work in the first place, right? so why does it give me this error in the Papyrus?

Edit 2:

Well I decided to remove More Nasty creatures (which has in itself Creature Framerwork as well as hentai creatures) and now, the papyrus log, looks amazingly empty..comparing it to how it was before...I might install the mod again later, but I would like to know Why MNC addon, pollutes the log so hard? the 2nd papyrus log, is how it looks now.

Papyrus.0.log

nutluck · June 8, 2015

Sorry for the dumb question, what is "DA"?

Death Alternative

Thanks , regretably i do not think that is the problem because i do not use DA . Should i install it? I play a male character, so i dont know if it is useful or not

No you shouldn't need DA for defeat to work. DA just adds stuff after post assault.

pouetpouet · June 8, 2015

Hey guys

I installed this mod yesterday, and it worked fine, I got raped by bandits and everything.
I launched the game today to check if I could get raped by creatures, but they never were able to knock me down and I couldn't "surrender" to them even by pressing K. So I went to do the same with bandits to see if there was a problem with the mod or if it was just not possible, and now I can't surrender to bandits either, and they can't knock me down, and I'm pretty sure all fonctionalities of the mod are now not working! I can't see why because I really didn't touch anything since yesterday and all settings are still the way they used to be...

Any idea?

actually I tried again and everything seems to work just fine, except for the surrender option... weird

Kotstullen · June 8, 2015

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I am looking for some help..

I tried to make this mod word for like 10 hours but nothing seems to work.

The problem is :

Everytime i get defeated i go into Bleedout-State (thats good)

after that my PC is going to be raped BUT my follower just stands there doing nothing

she never gets raped

In previous versions of Defeat it works wonderful but its not working now :/

Is it even possible to get followers being raped?

Btw i installed SD+ DA and Submit if there are any problems or settings i have to care about tell me pls ;..;

My load-Order is created by Loot i dont think thats the problem

PLs pls pls pls help me im desperate

UnCui · June 9, 2015

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I am looking for some help..

I tried to make this mod word for like 10 hours but nothing seems to work.

The problem is :

Everytime i get defeated i go into Bleedout-State (thats good)

after that my PC is going to be raped BUT my follower just stands there doing nothing

she never gets raped

In previous versions of Defeat it works wonderful but its not working now :/

Is it even possible to get followers being raped?

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Btw i installed SD+ DA and Submit if there are any problems or settings i have to care about tell me pls ;..;

My load-Order is created by Loot i dont think thats the problem

PLs pls pls pls help me im desperate

Well, there are a few options you have to choose from:

- All down

If followers are present when the player is knocked down, they all need to be knocked down as well before the scene continues.

Followers can be knocked down with the NPC vs NPC settings or when entering bleed out. (If NPC vs NPC is disabled for example.)

When the remaining followers are still in combat you can try to fill the struggle bar to get up before they are defeated.

- Original

Your followers will be knocked down at the same time as you, hostiles NPCs will then come at you.

- No transition

You will get instantly sexually assaulted and the fight will continue. (No threesome or multiple animations if multiple aggressors.)

Try and set it to Original in the player as victim menu, also, try registering your follower, read the description on how to do that (simply press the modifier key, then keep holding your action key while targeting your follower)

Also..i'm not sure how compatible SD+ and Defeat are togheter...I've never used them togheter, both are heavily script dependent, and both have their own way to deal with post-assault, you should carefully read how to manage them both correcrtly, not to screw up your save.

Kotstullen · June 9, 2015

Aha i have to mark them .

In previous versions there was no need in marking them it just worked as intended.

But thank you for your help its working O.o

that was easy^^

Tefajo · June 9, 2015

Hello

Fist of all let me say that this mod is great, is one of my favourites!

I am having some issues since the update (from 5b3 to 5.1 that is) after one of my followers gets assaulted:

a ) she doesnt get redressed

b ) she stays put in place and doesnt follow me anymore. You can dismiss her (she wont go away either) and recruit her again, try disable / enable, use "fix actor" on EFF but the problem continues. (and yes, it happens with any follower and yes, i did start a new game just in case)

The "a)" is annoying but easily solved by telling her to reequip armor or just using enable / disable

Now, the "b)" issue gets to the point i cant get into a fight and let a follower get raped if i want to keep that follower for future adventures.

Any ideas? What information would you like me to post?

Again, this did not happen with previous version of defeat and, of course, one possible solution would be to roll back

Thank you very much

Bump

(sorry, too many posts after mine concerning another problem)

Pls, somebody?

Aditional info: after act (when followers are still) i try to talk them and the "appease" option doesnt appear (it should i think)

UnCui · June 9, 2015

Hello

Fist of all let me say that this mod is great, is one of my favourites!

I am having some issues since the update (from 5b3 to 5.1 that is) after one of my followers gets assaulted:

a ) she doesnt get redressed

b ) she stays put in place and doesnt follow me anymore. You can dismiss her (she wont go away either) and recruit her again, try disable / enable, use "fix actor" on EFF but the problem continues. (and yes, it happens with any follower and yes, i did start a new game just in case)

The "a)" is annoying but easily solved by telling her to reequip armor or just using enable / disable

Now, the "b)" issue gets to the point i cant get into a fight and let a follower get raped if i want to keep that follower for future adventures.

Any ideas? What information would you like me to post?

Again, this did not happen with previous version of defeat and, of course, one possible solution would be to roll back

Thank you very much

Bump

(sorry, too many posts after mine concerning another problem)

Pls, somebody?

Aditional info: after act (when followers are still) i try to talk them and the "appease" option doesnt appear (it should i think)

Well, i'm not sure what to say, since I dont use this option for my followers, but I too sometimes..experience strange behaviours with my followers..(mostly serana)...you see, sometimes after a fight, she just stays in one place, doesn't move, and can't speak to her, I'm pretty sure she might move if I fast travel, see if fast traveling works.

Now..most Followers are protected, but not essential..since serana is an essential NPC and cannot be killed, I snuck behind her once, when she was in this frozen state, stabbed her with the dagger, and she came back to normal...I can't say the same would happen with protected followers..Pretty sure they will die.

Instead try this one, Use the Action key on your follower, Default G, CAREFUL though, don't have any weapon equiped while doing that, you might end up killing them, and see if you can tie them up, then un-tie them.

Aside from these...im pretty sure there should be an option in the MCM menu to reset actors and all that, if that didn't work for you, most likely, you didn't update the mod how you should have, and now it's having compatability issues.

Just so you know..I myself updated a totally unrelated mod, and affected Sexlab defeat...and I had to reinstall it (correctly) to have it work again, also it affected CF..creature framework..so I had to remove all that as well.

Edit: If all that fails, try FUS RO (should suffice, if not fus ro DAH) on your follower..seems to fix many things in path-finding mostly.

But more importantly, make sure your mods are installed correctly, have no compatability issues, USe the save cleaner to diagnose your save, and clean it, if it has any orphan scripts : http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

June 9, 2015

Evening, having an issue that assault chance is 100% but surrender option glitches and the aggressors ignore me and the followers. Updated to 5.1 and it installs with no problems and if I am the aggressor it still works. COmpatible mods load fine and the functions work but Im curious what is causing the NPCs to ignore the surrender prompt. They stop combat but no dialogue or anything, they just kinda wonder off and reaggro after abut 15 sec to try and attack again. Any advice?

chipstick · June 9, 2015

Hi Goubo,

As I mentioned previously, with Defeat 5.1.0, all gangbang assaults glitch out at the 3rd enemy. The 3rd enemy will take all remaining turns (up to 7 in my instance) and will disregard all percentages for threesomes as well (even if I jack it up to 100%). Papyrus log 1 captures this behaviour in my game.

I also mentioned that for creature assaults, only one creature will do all the assaulting. In my case - 2 death dogs. 100% of 2nd turn, so 4 assaults per round. One hound will always take all 4 turns. This is captured in log 0. Interestingly, I have found a few cases when the other dog got to muscle in on the action - in those cases the first hound always went aggro and would attack me in the middle of the sexlab animation with his friend. Unfortunately, I could not get this to happen tonight - I tried a few more times, totalling about 30 minutes or so and it wouldnt happen.

Hope this helps you understand whats going on - for all I know my logs are useless. Unfortunately, I'm seriously considering reverting back to 5.3b as it worked well for me without problems. It's a shame, I really would like to use 5.1, I love and adore the commentaries and the extra poses you put in .

Let me know if you need any other information.

Papyrus.0.log

Papyrus.1.log

Tefajo · June 9, 2015

Well, i'm not sure what to say, since I dont use this option for my followers, but I too sometimes..experience strange behaviours with my followers..(mostly serana)...you see, sometimes after a fight, she just stays in one place, doesn't move, and can't speak to her, I'm pretty sure she might move if I fast travel, see if fast traveling works.

Now..most Followers are protected, but not essential..since serana is an essential NPC and cannot be killed, I snuck behind her once, when she was in this frozen state, stabbed her with the dagger, and she came back to normal...I can't say the same would happen with protected followers..Pretty sure they will die.

Instead try this one, Use the Action key on your follower, Default G, CAREFUL though, don't have any weapon equiped while doing that, you might end up killing them, and see if you can tie them up, then un-tie them.

Aside from these...im pretty sure there should be an option in the MCM menu to reset actors and all that, if that didn't work for you, most likely, you didn't update the mod how you should have, and now it's having compatability issues.

Just so you know..I myself updated a totally unrelated mod, and affected Sexlab defeat...and I had to reinstall it (correctly) to have it work again, also it affected CF..creature framework..so I had to remove all that as well.

Edit: If all that fails, try FUS RO (should suffice, if not fus ro DAH) on your follower..seems to fix many things in path-finding mostly.

But more importantly, make sure your mods are installed correctly, have no compatability issues, USe the save cleaner to diagnose your save, and clean it, if it has any orphan scripts : http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

Thanks for the input.

First of all there are no mods installed incorrectly. Tried them with clean start and the problem persist and its only with defeat 5.1. If i uninstall it and install defeat 5b3 it works fine. Save cleaner doesnt find anything i am afraid and i do use FUS RO.

But hey, i got even more information:

I noticed that the "freezing" only happens if they get raped by an NPC or creature. If i rape them instead the mod works fine (trauma happens) and they redress and move normally (since i deselected the animosity option they do not hate me).

As a matter in fact i forced a scenario where the follower got raped, then "frozen" (after the act) and then i raped her and she came back to normal.

Meaning that is some script or setting involving the post scenario in NPC vs NPC / NPC vs follower kind of thing

I tried turning off everything that involved trauma, exhaustion, animosity or any other post rape effect, but so far i was not able to work it out.

Is there any tool i can use to post a log or something?

UnCui · June 9, 2015

Well, i'm not sure what to say, since I dont use this option for my followers, but I too sometimes..experience strange behaviours with my followers..(mostly serana)...you see, sometimes after a fight, she just stays in one place, doesn't move, and can't speak to her, I'm pretty sure she might move if I fast travel, see if fast traveling works.

Now..most Followers are protected, but not essential..since serana is an essential NPC and cannot be killed, I snuck behind her once, when she was in this frozen state, stabbed her with the dagger, and she came back to normal...I can't say the same would happen with protected followers..Pretty sure they will die.

Instead try this one, Use the Action key on your follower, Default G, CAREFUL though, don't have any weapon equiped while doing that, you might end up killing them, and see if you can tie them up, then un-tie them.

Aside from these...im pretty sure there should be an option in the MCM menu to reset actors and all that, if that didn't work for you, most likely, you didn't update the mod how you should have, and now it's having compatability issues.

Just so you know..I myself updated a totally unrelated mod, and affected Sexlab defeat...and I had to reinstall it (correctly) to have it work again, also it affected CF..creature framework..so I had to remove all that as well.

Edit: If all that fails, try FUS RO (should suffice, if not fus ro DAH) on your follower..seems to fix many things in path-finding mostly.

But more importantly, make sure your mods are installed correctly, have no compatability issues, USe the save cleaner to diagnose your save, and clean it, if it has any orphan scripts : http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

Thanks for the input.

First of all there are no mods installed incorrectly. Tried them with clean start and the problem persist and its only with defeat 5.1. If i uninstall it and install defeat 5b3 it works fine. Save cleaner doesnt find anything i am afraid and i do use FUS RO.

But hey, i got even more information:

I noticed that the "freezing" only happens if they get raped by an NPC or creature. If i rape them instead the mod works fine (trauma happens) and they redress and move normally (since i deselected the animosity option they do not hate me).

As a matter in fact i forced a scenario where the follower got raped, then "frozen" (after the act) and then i raped her and she came back to normal.

Meaning that is some script or setting involving the post scenario in NPC vs NPC / NPC vs follower kind of thing

I tried turning off everything that involved trauma, exhaustion, animosity or any other post rape effect, but so far i was not able to work it out.

Is there any tool i can use to post a log or something?

Well, yes, usually, in your documents folder -:my games-:skyrim, there should be a file called, skyrim.ini, open it, and make sure it has these lines

[Papyrus]

bEnableLogging=1

bEnableTrace=1

bLoadDebugInformation=1

bWarnOnFillAliasFailure=0

bShowEventHandlingOutput=0

save and close it, run the game, play a bit with it, and then, in the same folder as skyrim.ini there will appear a folder called logs, that folder has some files called papyrus log..always post the papyrus0 cause taht one is the most recent one.

If you open that file its almost impossible to read it, but there is a tool called papyrus log viewer on the nexus pretty sure, download it, and it will help you read it, still, its a bit hard to understand what it means without a bit of expertise, but there are also online documents detailing how to interpet the log, and tells you whats wrong with the game.

Rabblerouser · June 10, 2015

I believe I'm having the same issue with followers getting "frozen".

I dismissed a follower, she ran off, then soon as she's out and about, she's raped by a frost troll.
We quickly dispatched of the giant before he could finish (I figured that was info was relevant), but now it seems the dismissed follower won't move. She won't move even if I re-recruit her. She just... sits there. She does nothing.

I've seen Defeat do this to Serana as well, but took it for a hiccup to just ignore. Now it's repeating with someone else. In this case, it's Tania. A mod follower.

I'm not too sure this is follower-only, either. If this happens in NPC vs NPC, it has a chance to affect vanilla quests negatively.

EDIT: Seems in my case, I had an essential follower, I used the kill command (in hopes to resurrect and see if it reset her AI package). All it did was trigger a knockdown state, used Defeat to "Revive" and she's all better, following and whatnot.

I wouldn't suggest doing this liberally, though. I'm not sure what the "kill" command will do to other followers and possible quests related to them. I suggest making a backup save before you try.

daihard · June 10, 2015

Ive been using this mod for some time and it works as intended, but recently I updated a mod called Better Vampires By Brehanin (followed every instruction regarding update) and it works fine, but now, I think it affected a few unrelated mods, like Defeat, besides the completely random crashes I get when I load my save...Sexlab Defeat doesnt work, and when I say it doesnt work, i mainly refer to getting knocked down, and surrendring wont work, whatsoever, IF I try to surrender to any enemy, they just seathe their weapon and leave me alone (npcs that I have attacked), bandits and generally Hostile npcs by nature, just continue to attack me until Im dead, either IF i surrender or not.

Now the action key, (G) and everything it implies..Robbing, raping..etc, WORKS, BUT npcs no longer seem to sexually assault, and they just kill me even after I tried different setups in the MCM menu..What can I do to fix this?

Thank you for your help

Same issue here. Played with Better Vampires as well. But for the first few days the surrender and knockdown worked.

Hope this issue get addressed soon. I really love this mod.

Rabblerouser · June 10, 2015

It would help if you expalined what versions of Better Vampires you were using. What version you started with, what version you're using now, etc. When troubleshooting, you can never be too descriptive.

UnCui · June 10, 2015

It would help if you expalined what versions of Better Vampires you were using. What version you started with, what version you're using now, etc. When troubleshooting, you can never be too descriptive.

Ive been using this mod for some time and it works as intended, but recently I updated a mod called Better Vampires By Brehanin (followed every instruction regarding update) and it works fine, but now, I think it affected a few unrelated mods, like Defeat, besides the completely random crashes I get when I load my save...Sexlab Defeat doesnt work, and when I say it doesnt work, i mainly refer to getting knocked down, and surrendring wont work, whatsoever, IF I try to surrender to any enemy, they just seathe their weapon and leave me alone (npcs that I have attacked), bandits and generally Hostile npcs by nature, just continue to attack me until Im dead, either IF i surrender or not.

Now the action key, (G) and everything it implies..Robbing, raping..etc, WORKS, BUT npcs no longer seem to sexually assault, and they just kill me even after I tried different setups in the MCM menu..What can I do to fix this?

Thank you for your help

Same issue here. Played with Better Vampires as well. But for the first few days the surrender and knockdown worked.

Hope this issue get addressed soon. I really love this mod.

Well, before I updated to Better vampires 6.9 , I had the 6.6 version (recently the mod author returned and began working again), SO after I updated, Defeat stopped working as it should...So after much tweaking, I decided to finnaly remove Sexlab Defeat, and see if it works again after a clean install..So it did, kind of, I cant say if all the features of the mod work as intended, because the only thing im using is Player as victim, and with only Wound knock down enabled, and some post assault options like trauma etc...seems to work fine, Im not using NPC vs NPC, and everything else, So cant say if they work as well, but what im using now, seems to work relatively fine, hell, the mod might work 90% fine, far as ive seen, but I cannot say it does because I dont use every option.

I also had removed creature framework, because it was spamming the shit ouf of the papyrus log, im not sure if it is supposed to do that, I might install it again later...But im not so sure about that.

Seems like Better Vampires might get updates more often now, and I might remove Defeat completely, if it behaves like that at every update, and might add it back, probably later, when Im comfortable with whatever Version of better vampries might come out.

Edit I really cant say which version of BV I started with, Ive been playing skyrim a long time, and took long breaks as well, eventually when I got back to the game, almost every mod I was using would get updated, so instead I just start a new game, ive never actually finished skyrim, I just get a little farther each time, this save I have..a month old I think, is the first save, where I actually updated a few mods, and encountered this problem.

Now that I think about it, I dont think its relevant what version i started with..in my case, since very time theres a new version i start a new game xD and only once have I changed the race, and going on the same path...meaning, (I still join every Guild and advance), Join the Empire effort to extinguish the rebelion (but after I kill the empror), still going for the vampire lord (I know werewolf is strong as fuck, but you dont have the force by your side as a werewolf), playing mostly stealth with poisons, and Dual Savegery With axe and dagger +elemental shout, you can 1 shot legendary dragons on master difficulty with that, I could go on and on, damn this game is awsome, too bad I never finish it xD

Tefajo · June 10, 2015

I believe I'm having the same issue with followers getting "frozen".

I dismissed a follower, she ran off, then soon as she's out and about, she's raped by a frost troll.

We quickly dispatched of the giant before he could finish (I figured that was info was relevant), but now it seems the dismissed follower won't move. She won't move even if I re-recruit her. She just... sits there. She does nothing.

I've seen Defeat do this to Serana as well, but took it for a hiccup to just ignore. Now it's repeating with someone else. In this case, it's Tania. A mod follower.

I'm not too sure this is follower-only, either. If this happens in NPC vs NPC, it has a chance to affect vanilla quests negatively.

EDIT: Seems in my case, I had an essential follower, I used the kill command (in hopes to resurrect and see if it reset her AI package). All it did was trigger a knockdown state, used Defeat to "Revive" and she's all better, following and whatnot.

I wouldn't suggest doing this liberally, though. I'm not sure what the "kill" command will do to other followers and possible quests related to them. I suggest making a backup save before you try.

This also worked for me aswell, so we probably have the same bug. Please if you ever find a work arround to make it function normally let me know

Thanks

pushto · June 10, 2015

Tried the 'put in a sack' feature on my custom follower:

Works like a charm

Rabblerouser · June 11, 2015

I believe I'm having the same issue with followers getting "frozen".

I dismissed a follower, she ran off, then soon as she's out and about, she's raped by a frost troll.

We quickly dispatched of the giant before he could finish (I figured that was info was relevant), but now it seems the dismissed follower won't move. She won't move even if I re-recruit her. She just... sits there. She does nothing.

I've seen Defeat do this to Serana as well, but took it for a hiccup to just ignore. Now it's repeating with someone else. In this case, it's Tania. A mod follower.

I'm not too sure this is follower-only, either. If this happens in NPC vs NPC, it has a chance to affect vanilla quests negatively.

EDIT: Seems in my case, I had an essential follower, I used the kill command (in hopes to resurrect and see if it reset her AI package). All it did was trigger a knockdown state, used Defeat to "Revive" and she's all better, following and whatnot.

I wouldn't suggest doing this liberally, though. I'm not sure what the "kill" command will do to other followers and possible quests related to them. I suggest making a backup save before you try.

This also worked for me aswell, so we probably have the same bug. Please if you ever find a work arround to make it function normally let me know

Thanks

Glad it worked. Trust me, I tried searching for workarounds. Not even sure cleaning up or deactivating Defeat helped since I had a reliable save for it. But I got tired of testing since I also have an issue where it seems my game crashes randomly on Load.

UnCui · June 11, 2015

I believe I'm having the same issue with followers getting "frozen".

I dismissed a follower, she ran off, then soon as she's out and about, she's raped by a frost troll.

We quickly dispatched of the giant before he could finish (I figured that was info was relevant), but now it seems the dismissed follower won't move. She won't move even if I re-recruit her. She just... sits there. She does nothing.

I've seen Defeat do this to Serana as well, but took it for a hiccup to just ignore. Now it's repeating with someone else. In this case, it's Tania. A mod follower.

I'm not too sure this is follower-only, either. If this happens in NPC vs NPC, it has a chance to affect vanilla quests negatively.

EDIT: Seems in my case, I had an essential follower, I used the kill command (in hopes to resurrect and see if it reset her AI package). All it did was trigger a knockdown state, used Defeat to "Revive" and she's all better, following and whatnot.

I wouldn't suggest doing this liberally, though. I'm not sure what the "kill" command will do to other followers and possible quests related to them. I suggest making a backup save before you try.

This also worked for me aswell, so we probably have the same bug. Please if you ever find a work arround to make it function normally let me know

Thanks

Glad it worked. Trust me, I tried searching for workarounds. Not even sure cleaning up or deactivating Defeat helped since I had a reliable save for it. But I got tired of testing since I also have an issue where it seems my game crashes randomly on Load.

I have already suggested that in a previous post, but didnt say about using the command console, but what you say confirmed what i was suspecting, knocking out the character seems to un-freeze it.

Because I play as an assassin , sort of, it easy for me to one-shot just about anyone with a dagger in the back, did that to serana when she was frozen, and that fixed her.

Protected NPCs like Lydia for example, are more problematic, because they will get instantly killed by a stealth attack like that, thats why I suggested to use the shout FUS RO DAH, and see if it fixes your follower, if not, then you should find a way to reduce your companions health until they get to the knockdown state.

Cant say I know many good ways to do that, aside than getting some random enemies to attack your companion...if You attack your follower too much, they will turn hostile on you...but im pretty sure you can fix that with mind-bending shout..or calm spells something like that..

Careful though, if you have dragonborn dlc, and you get that ability from the book, which mitigates all the damage your companion takes from you..that wont work any more, So you will have to resort to the Kill command for essential npcs...and nothing I know of..for protected npcs.

Glad it worked. Trust me, I tried searching for workarounds. Not even sure cleaning up or deactivating Defeat helped since I had a reliable save for it. But I got tired of testing since I also have an issue where it seems my game crashes randomly on Load.

Regarding this..it would be help if you post your papyrus log, to see what mod might be the cause of your crashes.

Tefajo · June 11, 2015

I have already suggested that in a previous post, but didnt say about using the command console, but what you say confirmed what i was suspecting, knocking out the character seems to un-freeze it.

Because I play as an assassin , sort of, it easy for me to one-shot just about anyone with a dagger in the back, did that to serana when she was frozen, and that fixed her.

Protected NPCs like Lydia for example, are more problematic, because they will get instantly killed by a stealth attack like that, thats why I suggested to use the shout FUS RO DAH, and see if it fixes your follower, if not, then you should find a way to reduce your companions health until they get to the knockdown state.

Cant say I know many good ways to do that, aside than getting some random enemies to attack your companion...if You attack your follower too much, they will turn hostile on you...but im pretty sure you can fix that with mind-bending shout..or calm spells something like that..

EFF enables all followers as essensials so you can do it to any follower

Well, yes, usually, in your documents folder -:my games-:skyrim, there should be a file called, skyrim.ini, open it, and make sure it has these lines

[Papyrus]

bEnableLogging=1

bEnableTrace=1

bLoadDebugInformation=1

bWarnOnFillAliasFailure=0

bShowEventHandlingOutput=0

save and close it, run the game, play a bit with it, and then, in the same folder as skyrim.ini there will appear a folder called logs, that folder has some files called papyrus log..always post the papyrus0 cause taht one is the most recent one.

If you open that file its almost impossible to read it, but there is a tool called papyrus log viewer on the nexus pretty sure, download it, and it will help you read it, still, its a bit hard to understand what it means without a bit of expertise, but there are also online documents detailing how to interpet the log, and tells you whats wrong with the game.

This is my log

Got both my followers raped and then used kill comand on both and revived them

The log seems to be filled with other issues tho

Papyrus.0.log

UnCui · June 11, 2015

I have already suggested that in a previous post, but didnt say about using the command console, but what you say confirmed what i was suspecting, knocking out the character seems to un-freeze it.

Because I play as an assassin , sort of, it easy for me to one-shot just about anyone with a dagger in the back, did that to serana when she was frozen, and that fixed her.

Protected NPCs like Lydia for example, are more problematic, because they will get instantly killed by a stealth attack like that, thats why I suggested to use the shout FUS RO DAH, and see if it fixes your follower, if not, then you should find a way to reduce your companions health until they get to the knockdown state.

Cant say I know many good ways to do that, aside than getting some random enemies to attack your companion...if You attack your follower too much, they will turn hostile on you...but im pretty sure you can fix that with mind-bending shout..or calm spells something like that..

EFF enables all followers as essensials so you can do it to any follower

Well, yes, usually, in your documents folder -:my games-:skyrim, there should be a file called, skyrim.ini, open it, and make sure it has these lines

[Papyrus]

bEnableLogging=1

bEnableTrace=1

bLoadDebugInformation=1

bWarnOnFillAliasFailure=0

bShowEventHandlingOutput=0

save and close it, run the game, play a bit with it, and then, in the same folder as skyrim.ini there will appear a folder called logs, that folder has some files called papyrus log..always post the papyrus0 cause taht one is the most recent one.

If you open that file its almost impossible to read it, but there is a tool called papyrus log viewer on the nexus pretty sure, download it, and it will help you read it, still, its a bit hard to understand what it means without a bit of expertise, but there are also online documents detailing how to interpet the log, and tells you whats wrong with the game.

This is my log

Got both my followers raped and then used kill comand on both and revived them

The log seems to be filled with other issues tho

Well about 90% of all those logs are from More nasty creatures (which includes Creature framework, Nude creatures and Hentai creatures) Im not sure if it should be spamming like that, so I had it removed and cleaned my save, but mainly because I was experiencing some CTDs, so after I removed whole More Nasty critters, I had no CTDs on loading.

Wherever you see in the log [slnc] it means sexlab nude creatures in short, CF is creature framework, note that, not everything in the log should be regarded as a problem, Mainly where you see WARNING signs, or ERRORs, note that those errors you have are completely normal, means that, the mod checks for other mods if are present, and if they are not, they skip it. Im not sure about the last few entries in the log about Touch of Calamity.

If you are using SkyRe, or Perkus Maximus, be VERY mindful of Game-changing mods like those, because once you install them, you can never remove them on your current save without repercussions and you might screw up your save altogheter.

I had once SkyRE, it seemed like a very nice mod, but ultimately I gave up on it, because there were many, many incompatibilites with a lot of mods, and there are only so many patches...to include compatibility, I had it removed, because I was in a big disadvantage regarding other great mods that would come out, and have no compatibility with SkyRe, or PerkusMaximus, I can't say for sure if there is any direct link betwen this problem you have, and SkyRe, because i no longer use those mods, but be very mindful of those.

Aside from that, you do have some binding erros..the last few lines, you get from Creature framework, I can't say for sure if CF is the problem, But since I had it removed, I stopped having problems at all with my followers...

I have to ask, do your followers get frozen after every sexual act? are they getting frozen when raped by npcs, or by the player?

Morferous · June 11, 2015

I had once SkyRE, it seemed like a very nice mod, but ultimately I gave up on it, because there were many, many incompatibilites with a lot of mods, and there are only so many patches...to include compatibility, I had it removed, because I was in a big disadvantage regarding other great mods that would come out, and have no compatibility with SkyRe, or PerkusMaximus, I can't say for sure if there is any direct link betwen this problem you have, and SkyRe, because i no longer use those mods, but be very mindful of those.

I am playing the game with SkyRe. I reinstalled Defeat after latest update. So far I have not experinced any problems and my character is already running around Solstheim. Defeat, SL animations have kicked in several times.

SkyRe patches are also less of a mess now than they were before. Xathra collected pretty much everything you need. Only CCOR requires additional patch.

UnCui · June 11, 2015

I had once SkyRE, it seemed like a very nice mod, but ultimately I gave up on it, because there were many, many incompatibilites with a lot of mods, and there are only so many patches...to include compatibility, I had it removed, because I was in a big disadvantage regarding other great mods that would come out, and have no compatibility with SkyRe, or PerkusMaximus, I can't say for sure if there is any direct link betwen this problem you have, and SkyRe, because i no longer use those mods, but be very mindful of those.

I am playing the game with SkyRe. I reinstalled Defeat after latest update. So far I have not experinced any problems and my character is already running around Solstheim. Defeat, SL animations have kicked in several times.

SkyRe patches are also less of a mess now than they were before. Xathra collected pretty much everything you need. Only CCOR requires additional patch.

That is good, if skyre is installed correctly, we can exclude it, as a potential problem, for those character freezes, im still suspecting creature framework to be a problem, since I had it removed, I have no problem with freezing npcs anymore.

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