Opinions & Advice please ; choosing Defeat / Surrender mod

[NotKinkyEnough]

I have Sexlab Defeat installed but sometimes run into problems - like just now my char was downed and defeated, kneeling and captors were talking to her, but another bunch of npcs came along and killed her captors, leaving my char stuck just kneeling there. Tried clean through MCM etc with no fix and eventually ctd.

 

So I looked at alternatives to this type of mod and there seem to be lots. Therefore me asking here for advice and opinions. 

 

What I need:
Mod which lets player char surrender instead of die. (either hotkey surrender, or zero health essential, or both)

Which then leads to consequences like sexlab, robbery, slavery, devious devices, things like that.
Additional options like NPCs surrendering are nice but not vital (unless they link in to a cool 'player is now a slaver' mod! but that is a whole other thing)

 

with the ability to break out of the "scene" and make the game play normally again (in case of bug or situations not covered in script).
 

SSE compatible, and the more integration with sexlab - SLSF, anims, other settings and mods... the better

 

 

Seems to me my options are:

 

Defeat, but with some patch, action or fix I am missing, to avoid my problem

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/9152-sexlab-defeat-sse/

Peril - is this sse ready?
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/13702-peril/

 

 

Yamete in 'Traditional' mode
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/16057-yamete/

 

 

Naked Defeat - my worry is that this is new and still being built?
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/153242-naked-defeat/#comment-3138193

 

 

Submit - but I read this is old and buggy?
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/247-sexlab-submit-01sep14-1133/

 

 

Have I missed any?

Can someone kindly advise on which mod is most likely to suit me?

 

[Gukahn]

26 minutes ago, NotKinkyEnough said:

Naked Defeat - my worry is that this is new and still being built?

Exactly that what you should rather choose then an over 9 year old mod  like defeat. Every bug you encounter you can report and it can be worked on. Something you can't do with regular defeat anymore But there is Bakas Version of Defeat and Banes version somewhere found at Defeats LE Support pages. (Someone really need to put it somewhere better.)

 

So if you want to get self defeats and not rape anyone yourself, use either Naked Defeat as a Female or gay male player character. Or Yamate/Peril.

I tested all 3 Defeat versions and Yamate, Both Banes and Bakas Defeat work quite nicely with some hicups in sexuality, Skyrims world is overun with male bandits and vigilants, so many of the dudes might get fucked by creatures sometimes. (Barbars fucked almost every vampire dude in existence as i did his quest. plus the Boss. Poor Guy xD)

 

Yamate has the benefit of On and Off with one Button and the calm effect while someone get it on is far better then defeats. But you don't use defeat only, you combined it with Sexlab Stop Combat.

 

So if you want to keep defeat, update to one of the alternatives and install Stop Combat or use Naked Defeat /Yamete/Peril. whatever sounds better for you.

 

Don't touch Submit unless you want something without any fancy stuff and bareback rape but don't come back and complain about that one.   never got updated since 2014?

 

[NotKinkyEnough]

Thanks! That helps narrow it down a bit and gives me better ways to think about the mods.  

 

I went for defeat initially since it seemed to be the default recommended by most other mods, but I think that was more down to features than actual code compatibility.

 

Leaning toward maybe Baka's Defeat because it is obviously pretty close to what I have, and I'll put Stop combat in too as you recommend. I like the look of Naked Defeat, so maybe I'll load each and try them out, see what I think.

Yamete and Peril I don't see mentioned so much in recommended mods for other mods, so my feeling was they were a bit on the fringe, which might be seriously unfair on them. 

[Gukahn]

15 minutes ago, NotKinkyEnough said:

Yamete and Peril I don't see mentioned so much in recommended mods for other mods, so my feeling was they were a bit on the fringe, which might be seriously unfair on them. 

It's because they are still fresh, it's like battle fuck you might not even have heard of. Combatsex mods where still very few when i started playing again.

Looking at the underdogs in each mod category is very good since you might miss on somethings you might like. Many great ideas and still good working mods might be just flying over your radar.

 

If you want to take bakas defeat you don't even have do make a new game, just go into the game, save your defeat settings if you are fine with them, disable the mod and make a save. then uninstall it and install baka, might be a good idea to give it the same plugin slot the old one had and load it to your game normally.  In theory you can combine naked with defeat, you just have to disable defeats npc x player function. Dunno if naked has something for npc x npc but if it has disable that one for defeat too and they should work fine together. Same would work with the others when they allow to disable specific features but i only combined defeat with Yamate to test it out. And Yamate is disabled most of the time so i can't tell if this combination is fine or not.

[akadeadpool]

@NotKinkyEnough In case you want to try Bane's Defeat, here's the link

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/19941-sexlab-defeat/?do=findComment&comment=3583646

 

@Gukahn Do you know if Dynamic Defeat also work in SSE?

[Gukahn]

2 minutes ago, akadeadpool said:

Do you know if Dynamic Defeat also work in SSE?

That i can't answer sorry. I don't use Nemesis so no Dynamic anim mods for me ? Sorry

[Kristus Kringle]

Every Defeat-esqe mod has some issue or compromise. I'm currently using Battle Fuck and I like it but it's fairly simple and sometimes it leaves me stuck and I have to reload a save. Previously I was using Naked Defeat and it is a fantastic mod but I was having some issue, can't remember, and so I switched. Submit was a fantastic mod except it was abandoned and has game breaking bugs. In many ways Defeat is still the best of them, some games it just works, then I can start a new game with the exact same mods and it doesn't work or doesn't work right. Defeat is also essentially abandoned although there is a Baka version that I would choose if going back to it. 

[ttts1]

I run two different setups:

 

1)  Defeat (Baka's version) + Naked Defeat - both aggressor and victim gameplay

 

2)  Battle Fuck- victim gameplay.  Not an aggressor mod, currently. 

 

As Duncan said above, each mod does something a little different.  Defeat does more than Naked Defeat and Battle Fuck, which are more focused on specific things. Naked Defeat and Battle Fuck are better than Defeat at the things they are focused on but don't have nearly as many options as Defeat.  Battle Fuck also has add-ons like Nightcrawler, which is a sleep assault mod.  But Defeat is going to give you more options in your gameplay and works well with Naked Defeat if you set the MCM options correctly.

 

Yamete is also out there and I've seen a lot of people like it as a Defeat replacement.  But I haven't tried it yet. 

[Blue Astra]

Naked Defeat 100%

[Nohrin]

On 1/7/2022 at 6:18 AM, Gukahn said:

I tested all 3 Defeat versions

Documentation for the defeat versions is very confusing. Do you know of the differences between vanilla Defeat, Baka's and Banes? I have all three downloaded, but am unsure which to use on a new save file. I don't know which bugs are fixed on each version. Really wish we could have modders work together to fix Defeats' issues, instead of creating brand new versions. Combine efforts, ya know?

 

My current plan for my new character is to use BattleFuck for victim scenarios, and Defeat (one of the three versions) for NPC x NPC & Aggressor scenarios. I like Battlefuck's little mini-game that it incorporates, and also has the perk of controlling animation stages by itself (even if I would like to control the animation itself, sometimes...trade-offs...)

 

As for Yamete, I have tried it out and it didn't work for me in its current form. The essential function wasn't working, and when I got knocked into bleedout, my character was actually dead and stuck in bleedout for a few seconds before the whole thing broke and my character dies for real. I gave up on it. Not entirely sure if it was something on my end, or the mod itself. Just mentioning my own experience.

[bnub345]

8 minutes ago, Nohrin said:

and Defeat (one of the three versions) for NPC x NPC

 

The NPC vs NPC feature of defeat is very buggy and causes problems, I wouldn't recommend using it. As for the versions, both Bane and Baka versions are updated and contain fixes over the vanilla defeat. Baka's is the newest and contains custom animations not found in the other two.

 

Yamete is bugged right now with the essential function except for the rush mode. The author is aware of this and working on fixing it.

[Nohrin]

1 hour ago, bnub345 said:

 

The NPC vs NPC feature of defeat is very buggy and causes problems, I wouldn't recommend using it. As for the versions, both Bane and Baka versions are updated and contain fixes over the vanilla defeat. Baka's is the newest and contains custom animations not found in the other two.

 

Yamete is bugged right now with the essential function except for the rush mode. The author is aware of this and working on fixing it.

I've used Defeat in the past, and while not always 100%, the NPC vs NPC did work more often than not. Unless it was the cause of random CTDs out of nowhere. Neither Baka's or Bane's deals has NPC vs NPC fixes? That is the main reason I would use Defeat. No other combat sex mod deals with NPC vs NPC very well from my experience with them.

[bnub345]

1 minute ago, Nohrin said:

I've used Defeat in the past, and while not always 100%, the NPC vs NPC did work more often than not.

 

The Baka version has a note on the mod page that the NPC vs NPC is buggy and should be disabled. I'm not as familiar with what the Bane version changes exactly. Tracking NPCs and scanning for them frequently is of course very script heavy and burdens the papyrus engine. I don't know how good the NPC vs NPC from the defeat versions or Yamete compare, but I would caution against using them in general.

[Tiress]

On 1/7/2022 at 12:18 PM, Gukahn said:

(Someone really need to put it somewhere better.)

 

 

Like here?  

[Gukahn]

14 hours ago, Nohrin said:

Baka's and Banes

Really depends. Banes Version as far as i tested it does the original more justice. It fixed some game breakers for me and i got for the very first time the possibilty of a gangrape with my follower, as my characters all seem to knock out males and kill females i didn't tested it out tho- (i really fucking have to see if i can fix that xD.) And i will probably stay with it now, don't really care for bakas new animations.

 

Baka i know a bit better what got fixed and what not as i played with it longer. I will have more to say about bane in a couple of month i think but so far it works almost exactly like bakas version minus the new animations and the broken knock down animation. When i rape a bandit with bane, she will get back to knock down, when i do it with baka she will just stand there. Might just be a bug in my installation and modlist so i can't really tell you if it's really a bug.

Bakas Npc x Npc did however work for me pretty well until i fucked something up.

 

Bane vs Baka.. If you don't care for aggressor just test bane first. If it doesn't work for you well you can just swap them mid game. Disable the defeat version you have then ingame and swap them later with your manager. I did that the first time and i played this save further without seeing any issue with it.

 

12 hours ago, Tiress said:

Like here?  

 

[Grey Cloud]

14 hours ago, Nohrin said:

As for Yamete, I have tried it out and it didn't work for me in its current form. The essential function wasn't working, and when I got knocked into bleedout, my character was actually dead and stuck in bleedout for a few seconds before the whole thing broke and my character dies for real. I gave up on it. Not entirely sure if it was something on my end, or the mod itself.

FWIW that was pretty much my experience of Yamete.

[NotKinkyEnough]

4 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

FWIW that was pretty much my experience of Yamete.

yeah I am getting either perma-knockdown or sometimes bandit comes back to deathblow char, never had proper outcome even once