[CANNED] Realistic (?) female genitalia for UNP/UNPB

[jdods13]

I would be very interested in taking over, though my time is limited and so it would be slow going. It was mentioned by jdods13 that the texture used belonged to Arduino's V4-WG product for poser/Daz Studio.

 

I took the liberty of sending Arduino a message through the contact form on his site, to see his feelings on his product being used in video game modifications. Here's the message I sent:

 

"Arduino,

 

I'm writing to contact you in regards to a question on the usage of one of your products.

 

I belong to a group of individuals that are involved in producing user created modifications (mods) for the game, "Skyrim". One of our modders has been working on enhancing the in-game looks of the female characters, and we are interested in using the textures/meshes from your "V4-WG" content for Poser/Daz studio.

 

I do not know what sort of license you have on the product, regarding it's use outside of poser/daz studio, and how you feel regarding it's use in video games.

 

If you could let me know, that would be appreciated.

 

Regards,

Aaran"

 

We'll see what he says.

Thanks for messaging arduino. This is my only concern when working on a mod that will ultimately be received by a large amount of people. I'm going to put myself on the list for working on this mod when I have time. My plan will be to bring a realistic female genitalia mod to the CBBE body however we will need to model our own content. This is simply being respectful to the artist that put the content out. Not that re-purposing art is a bad thing. It's actually very smart and awesome that Aegis is able to use those assets and bring them together in skyrim. We just want to make sure that the original creator of that work is honored. We should point out the fact that we are using Arduino's work if we are using it. Now I own lali's bits for V4 which is that Genitals model that Aegis was using and I own the V4 anus and vagina by Arduino. Should Arduino say that this is going to be fine for us to do then I will start down the CBBE body slide path. First i'd like to say that this mod should indeed be a group effort and if any modders are able/ willing to help then we can come together. We need a sort of blue print if you will because the best ideas are brought to life after they have been well thought out first.

 

@Aegis If you have a moment would you be willing to type up a brief "How I got started" tutorial? I primarily use Maya to rig, model and animate but i'm not sure if the tools/ plugins that exist for 3Ds Max exist for Maya. Also please don't feel like anyone of us are trying to put you in a bad spot what you have done is extremely awesome and we love you for it! Honestly there is no need for you to walk away from it just guide us so that we can help you make this mod versatile and amazing. That is what it means to be in a community. We've got your back! so let us know where you are in your mod process and i'll focus on CBBE/ body slide compatibility.

 

Much Love here! 

[MasterAaran]

 

Thanks for messaging arduino. This is my only concern when working on a mod that will ultimately be received by a large amount of people. I'm going to put myself on the list for working on this mod when I have time. My plan will be to bring a realistic female genitalia mod to the CBBE body however we will need to model our own content. This is simply being respectful to the artist that put the content out. Not that re-purposing art is a bad thing. It's actually very smart and awesome that Aegis is able to use those assets and bring them together in skyrim. We just want to make sure that the original creator of that work is honored. We should point out the fact that we are using Arduino's work if we are using it. Now I own lali's bits for V4 which is that Genitals model that Aegis was using and I own the V4 anus and vagina by Arduino. Should Arduino say that this is going to be fine for us to do then I will start down the CBBE body slide path. First i'd like to say that this mod should indeed be a group effort and if any modders are able/ willing to help then we can come together. We need a sort of blue print if you will because the best ideas are brought to life after they have been well thought out first.

 

@Aegis If you have a moment would you be willing to type up a brief "How I got started" tutorial? I primarily use Maya to rig, model and animate but i'm not sure if the tools/ plugins that exist for 3Ds Max exist for Maya. Also please don't feel like anyone of us are trying to put you in a bad spot what you have done is extremely awesome and we love you for it! Honestly there is no need for you to walk away from it just guide us so that we can help you make this mod versatile and amazing. That is what it means to be in a community. We've got your back! so let us know where you are in your mod process and i'll focus on CBBE/ body slide compatibility.

 

Much Love here! 

 

 

I completely understand how you feel regarding the licenses and al of that. As I said in my post, I am very interested to work on this, and actually...I'm a big fan of CBBE as well. So hopefully I could help you along with some of it if possible, since we're both interested in the same thing. 

 

Also, I'm perfectly fine with having some sort of credit to Arduino in this mod if he does, indeed, say it's alright with him. That would be perfectly fair. Now, in the case that he does not want us using his textures, and since we'll already be having to create our own genital model, we might look into beginning to create our own textures as well.

 

I'm not very experienced at modelling. I've done some small things with Blender (not currently installed on my PC) and some VERY little experimentation with 3ds Max (student edition). Following a tutorial, I think I can learn how to model or what have you, but clearly I'm far behind from what Aegis was doing.

 

One Note. I think that we should begin by getting a good, HQ implementation of it onto/into CBBE, before moving on to animations at all. Thoughts?

 

@Aegis. As jdods said, please don't thin that any of us look down on you for using what you were. This was/is an awesome idea, and if you could help us along toward what you were doing we would love to make this come true.

 

Regards,

Aaran

 

[Epyon#]

I really hope it gets un-cancled. It would have been nice to see it finished.

Was the work taken from a nouther community?

 

: /

[jdods13]

I really hope it gets un-cancled. It would have been nice to see it finished.

Was the work taken from a nouther community?

 

: /

 

No they were poser assets. So I guess technically you can say that they are from the poser community but that shouldn't stop us from keeping this mod going. We have plans to re-start this for CBBE body... We just want Aegis back!  

[Guest]

I really hope it gets un-cancled. It would have been nice to see it finished.

Was the work taken from a nouther community?

 

: /

 

Some of the assets used belong to Poser/Daz3D artists and will, if used without permission, probably result in copyright issues and maybe even legal actions.

[Aegis]

It's mostly my fault for being lazy and not wanting to make everything from scratch (just too tempting to use resources already available)...

 

I don't want to start from scratch again since I'd have to redo all the models/animations/morphs/etc, but it would be a waste to just give up on all the work already done, so I'll continue to work on the project, I just don't expect that I'll be able to release it to the public.

 

As for the future of this project, I have already received quite a few PMs from people willing to take it over, so its future prospect is still quite optimistic.

 

Lastly, I'll still be around and I'm more than happy to help however I can.

 

GL

[MasterAaran]

It's mostly my fault for being lazy and not wanting to make everything from scratch (just too tempting to use resources already available)...

 

I don't want to start from scratch again since I'd have to redo all the models/animations/morphs/etc, but it would be a waste to just give up on all the work already done, so I'll continue to work on the project, I just don't expect that I'll be able to release it to the public.

 

As for the future of this project, I have already received quite a few PMs from people willing to take it over, so its future prospect is still quite optimistic.

 

Lastly, I'll still be around and I'm more than happy to help however I can.

 

GL

 

Don't be hard on yourself Aegis. I know the lazy bug well, bites everyone from time to time. I have sent a message to someone I found doing a completely free vagina for poser/daz and waiting to hear back about what they think on us using it in the game. If worse comes to worse...well....we'll figure out something for starting from scratch with a new model and texture.

 

My goal right now would be to get a fully finished model and texture into/onto the CBBE body so that we can begin work from a solid base.

 

Should we make our own thread for this?

 

 

 

EDIT: I have just received the following message from the author of the free vagina model:

 

"Hello Aaran,

 

permission to use the KV model is hereby granted.

 

Glad you find it useful

and good luck with your project!

 

Regards

Karina"

 

For anyone that wants to download it themselves and look at it, I found it here (you need a free account): http://www.ShareCG.com/v/42779/view/5/3D-Model/A-new-genital-prop-for-V4-A4-G4-S4-L3

[aravis7]

@ aegis: if you don't make a fully animated object, can you just release a static mesh like the fisrt one but opened? It could be very useful for mods like sexlab

[jdods13]

 

It's mostly my fault for being lazy and not wanting to make everything from scratch (just too tempting to use resources already available)...

 

I don't want to start from scratch again since I'd have to redo all the models/animations/morphs/etc, but it would be a waste to just give up on all the work already done, so I'll continue to work on the project, I just don't expect that I'll be able to release it to the public.

 

As for the future of this project, I have already received quite a few PMs from people willing to take it over, so its future prospect is still quite optimistic.

 

Lastly, I'll still be around and I'm more than happy to help however I can.

 

GL

 

Don't be hard on yourself Aegis. I know the lazy bug well, bites everyone from time to time. I have sent a message to someone I found doing a completely free vagina for poser/daz and waiting to hear back about what they think on us using it in the game. If worse comes to worse...well....we'll figure out something for starting from scratch with a new model and texture.

 

My goal right now would be to get a fully finished model and texture into/onto the CBBE body so that we can begin work from a solid base.

 

Should we make our own thread for this?

 

 

 

EDIT: I have just received the following message from the author of the free vagina model:

 

"Hello Aaran,

 

permission to use the KV model is hereby granted.

 

Glad you find it useful

and good luck with your project!

 

Regards

Karina"

 

For anyone that wants to download it themselves and look at it, I found it here (you need a free account): http://www.ShareCG.com/v/42779/view/5/3D-Model/A-new-genital-prop-for-V4-A4-G4-S4-L3

 

I've got the vagina model and will start working on adding this to the CBBE body with masteraran. 

[Aegis]

Go ahead and start a new thread, so you can have better control and keep the content updated.

[poblivion]

If the problem is with the origin of textures can continue your work without them.    If the textures are free to download on another site, one would then attach them to the download link.   

Your work is amazing and would be a great pity now canseled project.

[Aegis]

@aravis7

 

Well, the actual body mesh needs to be modified in order to accommodate the open vagina, and that would require a full morph set which I'm still in the process of completing.

 

Got ~25 morphs in the set, but the set is made based on my current model, so I'd have to start all over again if I want to release it for the new model...not to mention all the animations...

 

 

I'm very, very lazy. If I drop everything now and start over, I doubt that I'll ever garner enough patience to complete it...

[aravis7]

You're sure you can't release maybe a semi open version which doesn't looks too weird on a normal body? I was just thinking about a simple object to equip/unequipp for sexlab , it doesn't have to be 100% perfect and realistic, it's always better than nothing

[Aegis]

Well, the closed vagina fits almost perfectly with the vanilla UNP body, so even slightly opened lips would cause UNP's labia to clip through, which would look quite disturbing imo...

[jdods13]

Aegis how difficult do you think it would be to build off of xp32s rig to add labia bones. This would assist with opening and closing of the outer and inner labia together.... "some how" hook it into SOS with some sort of collision detection so that the vagina opens and closes as the SOS penis moves into it we could eliminate this whole clipping issue... some what... there will always be some amount of clipping  but that isn't really a big deal. Ultimately we need a version of the body CBBE/UNP with the genitals built into it. Then we need to animate the genitals opening and closing.

 

@Aegis you would help us out tremendously if you could walk us through your process so we can catch up with you here on the CBBE front. Once we have this down then we can adapt it to other bodies. I'm more than willing to do what it takes to make that happen but we will start with unp/Cbbe first.

 

edit: talked to vectorplexus and he says Xp32 already has labia bones built into it... so this seems like a no brainer here.

[Aegis]

There are labia nodes in xp32's skeleton, however:

 

1. This presents a serious incompatibility issue for people not using XPMS

 

2. As of the latest version, 1.81, there are 2 nodes controlling each labia, but their control ranges are seriously limited, and translation not nearly as realistic, which is the reason why I opted for morphs instead. Also, there would be the need for a separate skeleton set if this were to be implemented, but given the variety of even just the XPMS sets (dagger on back, chesko, etc), and the necessity to constantly update the skeleton sets to keep up, I didn't feel it's worth the long term hassle.

 

 

I suppose this goes back to the argument between plugins and API injection... me, being the lazy bum that I am, opted for the more hassle free plugin route...

[Epyon#]

It's mostly my fault for being lazy and not wanting to make everything from scratch (just too tempting to use resources already available)...

 

I don't want to start from scratch again since I'd have to redo all the models/animations/morphs/etc, but it would be a waste to just give up on all the work already done, so I'll continue to work on the project, I just don't expect that I'll be able to release it to the public.

 

As for the future of this project, I have already received quite a few PMs from people willing to take it over, so its future prospect is still quite optimistic.

 

Lastly, I'll still be around and I'm more than happy to help however I can.

 

GL

 

Interesting, couldn't you take existing resources and make your own using them?

That way you could do away with the origianl and have your own blueprint so to speak?

So technically you wouldn't be starting over. But I am not a modder, I see so many possibilities

when the masters see that there are only few.

 

there bad there isn't a way to make it universal for all types.

Not just cbbe. I like the body mod but the breasts get too big when

I want the rest of the body to look a certain way.

[Guest wellbredbitch]

all these turns of fortune are very exciting. i liked this mod very much and would hope that any future versions would be equippable with the 7B tbbp  body mod.

 

good luck and more power to your mouse i say!

[jdods13]

 

It's mostly my fault for being lazy and not wanting to make everything from scratch (just too tempting to use resources already available)...

 

I don't want to start from scratch again since I'd have to redo all the models/animations/morphs/etc, but it would be a waste to just give up on all the work already done, so I'll continue to work on the project, I just don't expect that I'll be able to release it to the public.

 

As for the future of this project, I have already received quite a few PMs from people willing to take it over, so its future prospect is still quite optimistic.

 

Lastly, I'll still be around and I'm more than happy to help however I can.

 

GL

 

Interesting, couldn't you take existing resources and make your own using them?

That way you could do away with the origianl and have your own blueprint so to speak?

So technically you wouldn't be starting over. But I am not a modder, I see so many possibilities

when the masters see that there are only few.

 

there bad there isn't a way to make it universal for all types.

Not just cbbe. I like the body mod but the breasts get too big when

I want the rest of the body to look a certain way.

 

Use body slide to reduce the breast size!

[Epyon#]

Any news 

[Endy]

Is someone going to pick this up and continue, especially now that the legal issues seem to be cleared ? Or was there something I missed among the posts ?

 

Seems so awesome. 

[lordofthedread]

Someone did pick up the idea and making it for CBBE, no updates for the last week or so tho....

[LCroft]

^ Yeah, it's just "amazing" that one of those "someones" is exactly the person who caused THIS project suspension 

[Epyon#]

[jdods13]

^ Yeah, it's just "amazing" that one of those "someones" is exactly the person who caused THIS project suspension 

Ok... so i'll take that jab... i'm not a moder and am taking it upon myself to learn how to mod to make this happen... When I originally saw the poser content I simply made an observation and was looking out for the mod maker... I had no idea that he was gonna up and can the mod simply because I recognized the content... If you honestly feel that it is my fault that Aegis canned his original mod then there really isn't anything I can do to change that because it really doesn't make any sense... We already got permission from the creator of the assets that Aegis was using so all he would need to do is pick up where he left off... I'm working on the mod but I work a full time job and have other priorities... I work on skyrim modding when I can...