jbezorg Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 thorinx, It's much easier to pontificate about what others should do instead of doing it yourself. Isn't it? It's time to put your money where you mouth is. You will write the story. You will storyboard it, flow chart the possible choices the player can make, and the consequences of those choices. When you're done, I'll script it. After I put it up for other's to review it, criticize it, and basically put it under the same scrutiny that you have done for other's work. To get an idea of how much dialogue you will have to write. Aela The Huntress alone has around 70 lines for the companion quest line. From meeting her when fighting the Giant in front of Whiterun to when the player becomes the harbinger. That may not seem like much but that's for just the few key scenes Aela had and the rest if for inane comments like "Not for me to say. You'll have to talk to Kodlak Whitemane up in Jorrvaskr." and for the following 6 part story line which isn't really dialogue intensive. Take Up Arms - Follow Vilkas out to the training grounds and carry a sword to Eorlund then a shield to Aela. Proving Honor - Find part of Wuuthrad for Skjor with Farkas designated as your Shield-Sibling The Silver Hand - Becoming a Werewolf Blood's Honor - Kodlak will want you to collect a Glenmoril Witch's head. Purity of Revenge - Retrieve the fragments of Wuuthrad Glory of the Dead - Attend Kodlak's funeral All told and between characters Aela, Farkas, Eorlund, Kodlak, and Skjor there is probably around 400-500 lines of dialogue for basically a story line that consists of "go out and kill this and/or get this thing" and excluding flavor dialogue that gives the NPC's personality. e.g. Lydia will make a different comment when approaching a cave entrance than Aela. etc.. Remember when creating the dialogue you must create male and female player versions as well as different sexual orientation for the player. Good luck. I hope you put as much effort into rising to this challenge and actually contributing to this community as much as you did ranting about it.
Camila Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 I’ll try not to come back to Lover’s Lab. Oh look! Finally a phrase that is worth READING.
ChancellorKremlin Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 A 40 page thread, free for all, that might or might not have a download is not the same thing as a Mod Download Section or functionality. As shown by every other mod download site on the internet. EVERY OTHER MOD DOWNLOAD SITE ON THE INTERNET. Please try and avoid double (and triple!) posting. Now you're just being intentionally dense. There are five, FIVE! pages in total for downloads in the Skyrim download page. FIVE! Not two, or three, or seven or nine or forty as you've mentioned, but FIVE. And EACH AND EVERY one of those entries (out of a total of 43 for Skyrim) on that page will lead you to a download. You know what the funny thing is? I know you think I'm referring to the FORUM SECTION called Skyrim Downloads - I'm not - those big red arrows I put on the screen on the previous page weren't just there for decoration. There is a WHOLE SECTION dedicated for downloads. Appropriately called DOWNLOADS. With FIVE pages for Skyrim. With FORTY THREE downloads. Just like EVERY OTHER MOD DOWNLOAD SITE ON THE INTERNET. So maybe you should check up on your facts before you start spouting crap - which, by the way, is the reason every one here is hostile to you - not because you have some idea for a mod you want. God knows we never have enough of those.
lordofthedread Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 You should indeed take the offer from jbezorg or never come back, you knew when you wrote your OP that you would get flamed and trolled as you insulted every single modder out here with your OP title on its own and now you feel offended by it. So the choice is yours, bury your pride and make something out of it or move on. Also every post in download section contains a download link or is moved by moderators but I guess you were too smart or to used to the other mod sites to realize that on your own.
Jexsam Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 Modders mod for themselves first and foremost. You can't come into a den of modders, say "Why haven't you guys done this yet?" and expect it to end well for you. It'll get done when someone wants to, and if you really want it and can't wait for it, you'll have to start making it yourself. It's not that no one wants to listen to a non-modder, either. There's an entire general section where ideas are tossed about, occasionally picked up, and where some WIPs are actively taking suggestions from others. It's just that expecting modders to listen to you is arrogant. They don't have to. What were you expecting, really? What did you think was going to happen, best case scenario? That some modder was going to drop everything, pick up that mod you liked, and expand it all because you mentioned it? Or perhaps someone would begin working on one like it merely at your suggestion? Would it have been enough if someone had just said "That sounds neat, might do it later?" Those are the only things I can possibly imagine you thought might happen, and all but the last one are ridiculous to even think might happen. Ultimately it's as much your fault as anyone else's that you got chewed out. You came in here with a bad attitude. You got a bad attitude in return. You saw this coming, but instead of tempering your approach beforehand to avoid this, you just let it happen. That, sir, was a mistake.
kyods Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 I take this as a pretty standard challange/insult. And I'd be happy to prove you wrong. Your own personal know how as a developer speaks for itself. You can take it as whatever you please. I have already said everything I had to say in this subject, and the only challenge I can see here is the one jbezorg offered you. Where will you go from here, is entirely up to you. Good luck, and godspeed.
jbezorg Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 What I heard: HERE AT SKYRIM PORN CENTRAL. WE ARE THE ONLY PLACE THAT INTENDS TO BE, OR AT LEAST PRETENDS TO BE THE SKYRIM PORN HQ OF THE PLANET... From here, we say, Go Fuck yourself. We at LOVER’S LAB cater to every fetish, proclivity, interest, or otherwise porn-centric videogame notion one could possibly have about porn in videogames (most notably and recently Skyrim). But if you want something we didn’t make yet, or have any thoughts of your own. SHUVE IT UP YOUR FUCKING ASS. Or better yet. GO MAKE IT YOUR FUCKING SELF because we don't need you, and we don’t appreciate people talking shit about shit we haven't made yet. And we ALL agree, FUCK YOU! That's not what I said. I said: I'll help you make the mod you want. I'll even handle all the CK portion. You'll just have to put SOME effort into getting it. Because, and this needs repeating, I'LL HANDLE ALL OF THE CREATION KIT PORTION. Is that clear enough for you? You've said you've waited a year for this. You WILL get finally it. So what are you going to do? Are you: Going to continue to bitch and whine? In which case you deserve to be ignored and ridiculed. OR Help me make the mod you were asking for? It's your choice. Your response, or lack or a response, to my post calling you out will make it pretty clear what your real intent is.
gjeldof Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 While I understand that thorinx' posts rate at ~9.5/10 on the flame bait scale (and ~7.5/10 on the entertaining rant scale) ... What's so hard about simply answering in an adult manner? "Check the download section here: http://www.loverslab.com/forum/37-downloads-skyrim-adult-sex-mods/ and the sub-section for the Sexlab framework here: http://www.loverslab.com/forum/51-downloads-sexlab-framework/ What might interest you especially are the SexLab framework itself (http://www.loverslab.com/topic/16623-skyrim-sexlab-sex-animation-framework-v101/) and the Lover's Comfort (adds sex to marriage and followers, cheating spouse if left unattended) and Romance (adds dialogue-triggered sex) addons. For a story-based approach, check out the Dark Investigations mod for the old SexIs framework, which while still WIP, is quite the ambitious and imersive project you're looking for. Unfortunately the author recently left LL, but his work can still be found here: http://dark-investigations.blogspot.de/?zx=4017237aa2c3ebd1. Have fun." Really, would that have been that hard to do? No hostilities, no flame war, just a straight answer. And then you could have gone back to how unfortunately there is indeed very little content like Dark Investigations released yet, how such content requires tons of work and dedication and help, and how thorix and others could aid with development. Or even why there's lots of relatively-easy-to-make-but-very-niche-content. That might even have been helpful to someone. The reactions instead ... well, he's right, those aren't making this site look good in any way. Why the jerk-reaction? I don't get it.
CGi Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 is this discussion still going on? What the heck???You where pointed to a mod, that's not about pure sex.You where shown the download section, as detailed as possible.Someone offered you help, creating the mod you (more or less) asked for.What else do you want? What has been written after jbezorgs offer, that's worth continuing a discussion that looses more and more of its niveau? At first i tryed to be polite, then i tryed to give a fuck and now i'm confused.Be the man, that you told us you are and accept jbezorgs offer or stand to your words and leave. Whereby the last option is the easiest and most rediculous. if you want to do something good, work out the story or w/e else should go on in this mod and post it in the adult section, so people can contribute, criticise or just give a fuck. P.s.: Your words really sound like James Rolphe wrote them down for you. Which iS funny, as i like his style of humor. Edit: Yes, there is a downside with the download section, as some mod authors simply attach their files to the op. And it may take some time for a moderator to move it to the download section ... if the author wants this. You can find pearls attached to posts, but the basics, that you need to run most mods, are in the download section. And the segment for "newest posts" helps a little bit keeping track of mods, that are not (yet) in the download section.
Shinobi7 Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I think Gjeldof is right here. From what I understood, Thorinx is basically saying it would be nice to add some romantic Quests and maybe something like a thread regrouping all downloadable mods with short description and links (such as this one for Oblivion - yes there are still things we can do to make this site better). Personally, I think it's good to make threads like this. All the more so, now stuff like Ashal's SexLab framework have come available. I think people should agree with this instead of putting up some stupid fight to say "that hurt my feelings, so fuck you". Although indeed maybe his post was somewhat crude and could have been a short & polite request thread - but he chose to instead fling it in our faces - a method that does sometimes get things going faster... Yet if you read his OP carefully, you'll realise he warns you that's what he's doing. I can't say I disagree with any of you. YES it takes time, hard work and basic mods to get things rolling, but YES there is a lack of story related stuff which is also what a lot of us want (even you who flame) YET frightening away the people who may reveal to be the ones who'll provide you with it - because if they are posting threads about it, means they are more active than the ones who don't - is definately not the solution. Jbezorg has the right aproach here I think.
CGi Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Wow... i know english is not my native language, but i didn't read that you just wanted to point out, what kind of mods are being made, looking at all the possibilities compared to the fetishes they cover. O_o At least, that's what i read from your last post. My english may suck, but my engrish rocks. But no matter what, the result is the same: There's no mod you would download without a change in your taste/preferrence.Conclusion ... again: Take the offer from jbezorg. Work out a concept, do some brainstorming (skyrim adult section), work out the details and see what jbezorg can make out of it. So no matter how long we talk about you, others or the mods, in the end you have to leave or stand your man and build a mod. Sorry, but you cornered yourself in this position. it's always hardest to say sorry (if you mean it), or in your case: to build the mod that you can't find here. So despite the bestaility mod i wait for, the mod you're looking for would be something i would really like to see as well.... w/e this may be.
jbezorg Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I'm happy to do skeching(sic) as required. But strory(sic) boards... Nuff said The E3 demo is actually still in the game. It's about 13 scenes. Camera angle can be controlled as well as image filters applied. Hell, you want Vaseline camera lens for a sex scene? Fine. So yes, story boards. Surly, if I've "played my [your] games before, and heard my [your] dialoge(sic) lines on the big screen. And enyoyed(sic) my [your] happy endings" should find those easy too. But if you want to recruit me to turn out some written content, and you know how to use a writer and artist I'd be happy to help out. That shit is a breeze. Programming and scripting... I might learn to do it to prove the point if I had to. But I'd rather not. I'll be waiting for your plot outline.
CGi Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I'll give it some thought. But in the meantime I'm going to be crass as fucking shit. Ya, you do that. it's more productive than this thread. We should save some CPU time on the LL server, by not spamming the database with threads of now obsolete content. Why obsolete? Because everything is said, nothing left except your decission to leave or make a mod concept. And why do you sound like you're from germany??? No offend, it's where i come from ... poor me. -.- @jbezorg: if his mod delays SD2, lot's of people will become really mad. ^^ Joking. And another reminder: i send you V0.0.5 and still no answer. But i see you're writing here, so i guess you forgot to answer, due to all this rl stuff, bothering you. ^^
jbezorg Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I'll give it some thought. But in the meantime I'm going to be crass as fucking shit. Ya, you do that. it's more productive than this thread. We should save some CPU time on the LL server, by not spamming the database with threads of now obsolete content. Why obsolete? Because everything is said, nothing left except your decission to leave or make a mod concept. And why do you sound like you're from germany??? No offend, it's where i come from ... poor me. -.- @jbezorg: if his mod delays SD2, lot's of people will become really mad. ^^ Joking. And another reminder: i send you V0.0.5 and still no answer. But i see you're writing here, so i guess you forgot to answer, due to all this rl stuff, bothering you. ^^ It shouldn't delay it. I actually am story boarding the scenes with Sanguine. Consider the dream within SD1 a prologue. Also, while thorinx was bitching and generally being an asshole, I created a simple mod. "SexLab Theft and Seduction". It will allow the player to complete Delvin Mallory's fishing (pick-pocketing) quests if the player manages to have sex with the quest target. Right now there is a 100% chance to get the item so I suggest using SexLab Romance to make it a challenge since success/failure & skills reward in that mod is based off the player's speech ability. If you prefer another SexLab mod. Theft and Seduction uses SexLab's global hooks so any SexLab mod that can initiate sex with the Thieves Guild quest target will work. SexLab Theft and Seduction.v1.0.7z
RezTheFatal Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I'm almost one hundred percent positive I've missed the point of this thread, but we have a crossbow that shoots bondage collars? Where the hell do I download that?
CGi Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 @jbezorg: What the... ! This was fast and i actually like those "alternate ways to solve a quest" mods. First time i've seen something like this, was for Sexout and i was hoping to see something like this for Sykrim. Simple, but still something that hasn't been done yet for Skyrim. i really hope someone picks up the idea. @thorinx: i'm tired of reading the whole of your posts (it's no longer late here, but way to earlie), but your complain about people making bigger mods is somehow taken out of the air.There are lot's of small mods, where the author clearly states, she/he wants to start small. LL itself is nothing but a platform for people. The mods, created by moderators or whatever from LL, aren't different from any other. There are bigger mods and smaller mods. Period. The one who takes on a big project got my respect, no matter if she/he underestimated the effort that has to be put into making it or not. You should try to sepreate users and moderators from LL itself. it's just a platform for people to meet, talk, share mods, ideas and do some brainstorming. Not to forget all those people, that fullfill requests for animations, armor and other stuff. Nexus might be a bigger network, but the community there went down the drain. Try to make requests there. -.- Way to much a matter of luck. The rest i just didn't read. Way to tired of it. @Rey: Yeah, this weapon would be as hillarious as the enema, whereby the enema really exists and can be downloaded fom LL.Just for laughs and giggle. ^^ Life is serious enough, so why not bring some nonsense into our virtual life.
gregathit Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I find this thread absolutely hilarious. How can anyone even begin to take you seriously? Couple of posts (all of them nonsense) and you act like anyone should pay the slightest bit of attention to you? Especially since you continue to ignore how much work making a very simple mod takes. And this little jewel: I believe that Lover's Lab needs a front page (or something like that) with a minimum of 1 new home grown mods appearing daily. And other mods coming in from other sites around the Mod-osphere. And not just new face tatoos or strap on textures, but the occasional (read weekly or biweekly) naughty mod appearing. With something special appearing every two months or so. Where in the wide world of fuck is this nonsense going to come from? Who are you expecting to do this shit? Since you can't be bothered to do jack crap except complain, why would anyone else spend their free time modding? I smell the nasty stench of hypocrisy in everything you say. The LAST thing this site (or any other site for that matter) needs is freaking "ideas". What is needed is for folks to stop whining and start modding. Seriously! Most mods were born from someone wanting a particular thing, not finding it they then knuckled down and made it. Everyone starts knowing nothing and has to learn. There are a fuck ton of tutorials out there to help you. Good or even "awesome" ideas wither and die on the vine because there are simply not enough people willing to put their nose to the grindstone and spend the time that it takes to make mods. Ideas are a dime a dozen. So far your actions have been that of a troll. Especially since someone offered to do all the hard work for you and your response is "I'll have to think about it". Seriously? You rant and rave about the lack of content to fit your fetish and then you are unwilling to lift a finger to make it a reality. Not impressing anyone.
ChancellorKremlin Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Well, I'm in the process of locking this thread, only to realise the OP has systematically deleted everything he posted. Which is good, because I was about to warn you regarding multiple posting - something I'd already requested you not to do. So, what have we learned? That being a $100 dollar a page script writer/novelist/director/games developer/hollywood bigshot/space cowboy apparently interferes with one's ability to follow simple instructions - like big, red arrows pointing you to download threads, or requests asking you not to double (and triple) post. That writing up big, elaborate, troll posts with the explicit intent of trolling a community into doing something is probably not the best of ideas. Or constructive. Or smart, and that's regardless of the merits of the request, unfortunately. Content was good, but your delivery was a little off. And lastly, that is easy to point fingers and complain, but taking up a contributor's offer and putting your money where your mouth is isn't. I'm locking this because you've made your point, I've made mine, Jbezorg made his, end of story. So until I see anything that even remotely matches your claims and your boasts in a plugin, I'll leave you with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJnU3Yi02fo So get crackin'. Or don't, we don't really care.
Ashal Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 But really, idiotic flame baiting aside, I completely agree with many of thorinx's complaints, at least the ones I can make out in the stuff people quoted before he deleted everything. The downloads are a mess in terms of organization, and we need to either force the use of the download section, or get rid of it, at the moment it just serves to segregates the downloads between easy to find and hard to find. And some portal type front page listing popular mods and threads would indeed be useful. These are all perfectly valid complains/suggestions, ones I've had myself for a long time and hope to fix soon as I have the time off work and can break myself away from updating SexLab.
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