Enemies not hostile?

[IE9Pro]

So bandits, draugr, and most things that would normally be hostile on sight are completely passive, I can punch them all I want and they will sit there without even going hostile. I tried my best to avoid mods that made creatures passive by default but it seems I messed up somewhere. It's also worth mention that some enemies are hostile, sometimes; ex Some wolves are passive (like the ones you meet on your way to riverwood) and some others attack normally, I can't figure out why this is happening and I have tried numerous things. I have sexlab, defeat, beastess, creature framework, creature arousal, more nasty critters, SoS, and horny creatures of skyrim. I think that it may be one of the creature mods but I can't find where any of them say anything about this. Any ideas?

 

[Gukahn]

Same, it happens suddenly, even uninstalled one with nature, the only mod i have that could have been the problem but no. What i did was just use the console

RemoveFromAllFactions on my Pc. Can't say if it breaks anything, didn't come across something game breaking for now other then some player owned items where marked as stolen when i picked them up. (Inigos Cell had a couple of things you could just take without worry for example.)

 

Hope thats the only minor problems the command will cause, if so its a noneperfect solution, but a solution regardless 

[Pamatronic]

1 hour ago, Gukahn said:

What i did was just use the console RemoveFromAllFactions on my Pc. Can't say if it breaks anything,

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this will absolutely break stuff sooner or later. The PlayerFaction is used by multiple vanilla quests, spells, ...  to cause temporary aggression or prevent it. (I think) some calm-spells use it (really not sure though).

And sure as hell some mods use it as well.

[IE9Pro]

19 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this will absolutely break stuff sooner or later. The PlayerFaction is used by multiple vanilla quests, spells, ...  to cause temporary aggression or prevent it. (I think) some calm-spells use it (really not sure though).

And sure as hell some mods use it as well.

I'll hold off on this solution then, however if there isn't a better one proposed I'm not sure what else to do

[Pamatronic]

1 hour ago, IE9Pro said:

I'll hold off on this solution then, however if there isn't a better one proposed I'm not sure what else to do

The only real solution is to find the responsible mod.

[Gukahn]

4 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this will absolutely break stuff sooner or later. The PlayerFaction is used by multiple vanilla quests, spells, ...  to cause temporary aggression or prevent it. (I think) some calm-spells use it (really not sure though).

And sure as hell some mods use it as well.

Thanks for telling me, thankfully i don't have added that many mods before the problem arrived. Going to troubleshoot when i get the time

[Scrab]

4 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this will absolutely break stuff sooner or later. The PlayerFaction is used by multiple vanilla quests, spells, ...  to cause temporary aggression or prevent it. (I think) some calm-spells use it (really not sure though).

And sure as hell some mods use it as well.

There are also some progression related stuffs that are marked by factions. For example I believe the Thieveguild Achievements (as in crime dialogue specific rewards) require you to be in the guild faction, also if youre not in the guild factions, the guild may not consider you to be a member either

Its not just the player faction thats important to fluently run the game

[anjenthedog]

FWIW, I've had that happen via glitch on a few occasions. During a Defeat encounter (presumably) the relations get broken and locked to friendly status (or I think more accurately said, upon reset from the encounter, since it's toggled to friendly during the defeat).  It's been a while, but I think the last time I remember it happening, all the "baddies" got toggled to BFF mode (Bandits, wolves... everyone who is normally a badguy). Don't remember if there were any times when I've enountered the glitch (probably a dozen or more times since I started playing) in which only one faction became permafriend BFFs, but as long as I followed that savefile vector, the game's enemies were broken. So I reverted to a save prior to the emergence of the behavior and all was well. 

 

if this is a condition you acquired after installing some mod, perhaps it's the mod, idk., but fwiw this is how I've encountered it and how I've solved it. Once badguys don't act like badguys anymore (ie, AS SOON AS), I search for the most recent previous save where they don't.

[rjrc]

i had the same issue, Naked Defeat being the cause. I removed ND, made a clean save, re-installed ND and everything was fine.

I think the Defeat mods during rape anims place the player in a temporary faction that is not hostile. If something interrupts the anim you can get stuck in that faction.

[judge007]

This happens occasionally with Cursed Loot as well.

 

Fast Travel fixes it, for me anyways.

[Gukahn]

All very helpfull, i hope i can troubleshoot this weekend. For me it can't be Defeat since it happened before any Defeat scenario, the others i don't have. But i have an Idea which of my mods could be the culprit, its one of those "Add friendly animals" to citys and towns mods. Dunno why some Bandits and Necromancers would get friendly with it but it might cause of the faction relations they might have.

(at least i don't have all my enemys friendly. Just a few.)

[Gukahn]

Update:
Found the mod that was causing it for me, it was indeed One with Nature, even if wolfs where turned off, some of them would still be friendly and affect some of the human enemys like one variant of the necromancer apprentices. Why? Dunno, its fixed with a clean save, for me at least  ?‍♀️

[killorkilled]

İ know this is a old topic but i have the same problem with beast of tamriel mod so how can i fix this im using  Erso Enemy Aİ mod with skytest  and Beast Of Tamriel  also i have the compatibility patches for them any help is appreciated.

[Gukahn]

32 minutes ago, killorkilled said:

İ know this is a old topic but i have the same problem with beast of tamriel mod so how can i fix this im using  Erso Enemy Aİ mod with skytest  and Beast Of Tamriel  also i have the compatibility patches for them any help is appreciated.

Sorry your mod combination differs from mine a lot when i had this problem. Does any of these mods calm enemy's or make some of them Allies?  That's the very first thing i would check. Another thing we found out is that defeat mods can cause it if their script doesn't end. If you have one combat sex mod try disabling it. If nothing helps.. Might have to bite the bad apple and make a new safe without any enemy mod, then install them one by one and check the same Npc´s until they stop fighting you.

[Arelor]

On 2/5/2022 at 6:58 PM, Gukahn said:

Sorry your mod combination differs from mine a lot when i had this problem. Does any of these mods calm enemy's or make some of them Allies?  That's the very first thing i would check. Another thing we found out is that defeat mods can cause it if their script doesn't end. If you have one combat sex mod try disabling it. If nothing helps.. Might have to bite the bad apple and make a new safe without any enemy mod, then install them one by one and check the same Npc´s until they stop fighting you.

 

Well I have this problem too but I have a clean save and haven't even activated sexlab and defeat in the mcm but it still happens. It is only the bandits for me atm (Don't know if there is any other enemy that is not hostile) The animals get hostile as they should I have SkyTEST and animals are fine I guess. But the bandits are like fuckin pacifists. I can't really recall any mod that effects adding friendly enemies or something like that. Is there a way to see what mod is affecting bandits?

[Gukahn]

Just now, Arelor said:

 

Well I have this problem too but I have a clean save and haven't even activated sexlab and defeat in the mcm but it still happens. It is only the bandits for me atm (Don't know if there is any other enemy that is not hostile) The animals get hostile as they should I have SkyTEST and animals are fine I guess. But the bandits are like fuckin pacifists. I can't really recall any mod that effects adding friendly enemies or something like that. Is there a way to see what mod is affecting bandits?

 

You could try installing more informative console and see if they are affected by any kind of mod. If you do that i would advice to check their faction specifically. they shouldn't be in any kind of friendly faction to you that's why one with nature bugged them out for me. Some Wolfs are friends with bandits so these  bandits will be friends with you- some necros are friends with these bandits so these necros will be friends with you and so on. 

[Arelor]

7 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

 

You could try installing more informative console and see if they are affected by any kind of mod. If you do that i would advice to check their faction specifically. they shouldn't be in any kind of friendly faction to you that's why one with nature bugged them out for me. Some Wolfs are friends with bandits so these  bandits will be friends with you- some necros are friends with these bandits so these necros will be friends with you and so on. 

Well I am in these factions:

 

Allegiance Faction: Rank: 0 [4]

000F2073: Rank: 0 [4]

00000DB1: Rank: 0 [4]

Charm Faction: Rank: 0 [4]

AD008A6C: Rank: 0 [4]

04017EBD: Rank: 0 [4]

0010FCB4: Rank: 0 [4]

Shares horse with follower(s): Rank: 0 [4]

04031846: Rank: 0 [4]

Framework Follower Faction: Rank: 0 [4]

SLA Naked: Rank: -2 [4]

SLA Arousal: Rank: 4 [4]

000A3EBD: Rank: 0 [4]

0010F5A0: Rank: 0 [4]

5A0644EC: Rank: 0 [4]

 

and the bandit is in these:

 

0001BCC0: Rank: 0 [4]

5A0706D7: Rank: 0 [4]

5A0634B4: Rank: 0 [4]

5A0644EC: Rank: -1 [4]

SLA Naked: Rank: -2 [4]

SLA Arousal: Rank: 15 [4]

 

So I removed 5A0644EC faction from me but it just got added when I tried to talk to the bandits. I don't even know why.

[qalavix]

What mod is 5A in your load order? (right-hand pe in MO2, don't know about Vortex or anything else)

[Gukahn]

6 minutes ago, Arelor said:

So I removed 5A0644EC faction from me but it just got added when I tried to talk to the bandits. I don't even know why.

Don't remove yourself from factions. This can lead to problems And even more so, don't just do it randomly. You and  a bunch of npc´s share Factions. Find out what Faction 5A0644EC .  I am no expert on that matter btw, i just had the bug and knew which of my mods altered factions in my game so i could solve it without  much issue. You need to know what which mod does in your game so you can troubleshoot it better.

[Arelor]

4 hours ago, qalavix said:

What mod is 5A in your load order? (right-hand pe in MO2, don't know about Vortex or anything else)

It's wet and cold so is that a faction from wet and cold?

 

4 hours ago, Gukahn said:

Don't remove yourself from factions. This can lead to problems And even more so, don't just do it randomly. You and  a bunch of npc´s share Factions. Find out what Faction 5A0644EC .  I am no expert on that matter btw, i just had the bug and knew which of my mods altered factions in my game so i could solve it without  much issue. You need to know what which mod does in your game so you can troubleshoot it better.

I haven't started for a full playthrough I am just testing and fixing issues beforehand so I can play peacefully. Removing myself from that faction didn't helped anyway, it was just re-added. I am trying to see if I can find anything in SSEdit atm.

 

Edit: I found out NARC is editing bandit faction the last and doesn't forward the changes made by faction fixes vanilla esp which has many reference as enemy on group combat reaction. Can I make a patch for this by myself?

 

Edit 2: Well I've made a patch for Faction Fixes Vanilla mod to work with SkyTEST and Animal Tweaks and it works now! I've made a few changes to forward the necessary records all along my mods and there was a couple for vampires and other stuff.