Naked Defeat AE/SE

[Nymra]

2 hours ago, BlueIPOD said:

Hi, this has probably been asked to death but I can't find it: What do I do when the sex won't happen? Like up until the point where I'm asked to pick a spot with "K", everything works fine. But after that, nothing. The men who were going to fuck my character just went and did something else, like sit or chop wood. I installed animations and followed the directions for everything as best as I could, but it is possible I got something wrong in the 5 1/2 hours I spent modding this stuff in.

 

I need PAPYRUS.0.LOGS! or I cannot do shit.
I cannot reproduce the issue so I need those logs to see whats happening. Everything you tried to "fix" this in in vain. 

 

Also, do you use 5.06? 

 

 

[Nymra]

8 hours ago, Fralia said:

Dont know how to get the logs for this, but have been having issues with every version of the 5.00 release when it comes to who the defeat scenario targets. I'll die to a human or a crowd of people, and it wont find any of them for the defeat and instead spawn a ghost and it does the "i'm alive again" wake up in the wild scenario. Also had an instance where i died to a bandit, did the first sex scene normally, then the 2nd couldn't find the bandit. i got tied to a post and it spawned two giants out of nowhere to do the whipping and not the bandit. 

 

There is no "log for this", papyurs log is basic common skyrim modding skills. This mod is for advanced users and making logs and uploading them is basic requirement for using this mod. 

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/articles/368

 

 

[BlueIPOD]

5 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

I need PAPYRUS.0.LOGS! or I cannot do shit.
I cannot reproduce the issue so I need those logs to see whats happening. Everything you tried to "fix" this in in vain. 

 

Also, do you use 5.06? 

 

 

Here are the logs: https://pastebin.com/awZ9fpTp. Though since I've enabled Papyrus logging, the game won't even start.

Also, yes I do.

EDIT: The game ran after like, 10 minutes.

EDIT 2: I tried again, and more things happened. There was the blur, I was stripped and then a t-posing bandit merged into my character while sex sounds played.

Edited February 25, 2025 by BlueIPOD

[Nymra]

30 minutes ago, BlueIPOD said:

Here are the logs: https://pastebin.com/awZ9fpTp. Though since I've enabled Papyrus logging, the game won't even start.

 

That seems like a very unhealthy installation then. Something like this should not cause problems. 

 

 

30 minutes ago, BlueIPOD said:

 

 

Also, yes I do.

EDIT: The game ran after like, 10 minutes.

EDIT 2: I tried again, and more things happened. There was the blur, I was stripped and then a t-posing bandit merged into my character while sex sounds played.

 

 

you have nemesis related errors in your log. Neither Nemesis nor Pandora are supported by this mod and I cannot give any guarantees that they will work.

I suggest to disable Crawling in Naked Defeat MCM System page (No Crawling [x]) just to be sure that is not casuing problems.

 

Crawl needs FNIS functions that Nemesis seems to not respect. 

Other than that:

 

the latest log is usually always named Papyurs.0.log 
you uploaded the Papyrus.1.log (at least I guess that from the naming), which is the log from your last game routine. Maybe you just renamed the 0 log into log 1, but still want to give that feedback for future reference. 

 

your log is 90% errors, warnings and stack dumps. you should try to solve those issues first before coming back.
I also do not fully understand what you did, like did you reload the game several times? While it should not hurt much in terms of Naked Defeat, I do not advise to save and reload during Naked Defeat EXCEPT when you are in between sex scenes or bound in furniture after Sex. 

 

Use VR/SE Fix in Naked Defeat System MCM (it should be on by detault in SE/AE).

 

I cannot help you fix your game. In this case I cannot find any issue with Naked Defeats functions, everything seems to be in order/work as intended (except for some log spam that I need to reduce). 
It just needs a healthy mod environment to work properly, as does any more complex mod.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 25, 2025 by Nymra

[Guest]

8 hours ago, BlueIPOD said:

Hi, this has probably been asked to death but I can't find it: What do I do when the sex won't happen? Like up until the point where I'm asked to pick a spot with "K", everything works fine. But after that, nothing. The men who were going to fuck my character just went and did something else, like sit or chop wood. I installed animations and followed the directions for everything as best as I could, but it is possible I got something wrong in the 5 1/2 hours I spent modding this stuff in.

Sharing a link to a "start to finish" modded game setup.  If sexlab does not work at all for you with any mod, may consider reviewing this.  Includes everything you need to have a stable game and links are provided.  Special link to getting Sexlab to work.  The creator is active and there is a wealth of information.  While you don't have to load everything, you may consider looking at the essentials.  From what I know, following this guide exactly will result in a very high quality stable game with sexlab included.  There are so many issues that can impact game function.  I just know this works.  I used it to get started.  I just substituted and added many mods especially to the sexlab section.  I also use the FNIS/Nemesis combination instead of Pandora.  Worked for me.   

 

[Cerral]

Hi, there,
I'm testing this mod for the 1st time, I've obviously started a new game but I have a problem with the golden shower event that doesn't want to trigger.
I've installed the golden shower patch, I've got bathing in skyrim with monoman1's tweak installed and taken into account by naked defeat. Does anyone have any idea why the golden shower doesn't trigger?

Game version AE 1.6.1170

 

Papyrus.0.log loot.txt

 

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[Nymra]

4 minutes ago, Cerral said:

Hi, there,
I'm testing this mod for the 1st time, I've obviously started a new game but I have a problem with the golden shower event that doesn't want to trigger.
I've installed the golden shower patch, I've got bathing in skyrim with monoman1's tweak installed and taken into account by naked defeat. Does anyone have any idea why the golden shower doesn't trigger?

Game version AE 1.6.1170

 

Papyrus.0.log 1.82 MB · 0 downloads   loot.txt 11.02 kB · 0 downloads

 

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you are playing the chances game.

 

Golden Shower does not trigger once? Its not an issue. It does not trigger three times? also not an issue.

 

Golden Shower should trigger 100% of times when you set the GoldenShower weight to 100 AND you are 100% dirty when defeated AND ShortDefeat Chance is 0%

 

I know ppl have a desire for golden shower but currently its just an immersive way to connect with Bathing in Skyrim. In my game I see the golden shower like 20% of times when I am defeated.

 

I plan on adding MCM options for

- More Whipping

- More Bukkake

- More Golden Showers 

 

which will guarantee that you see that kind of stuff during each scenario. 

Currently, this is not the case. 

[Cerral]

10 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

Golden Shower should trigger 100% of times when you set the GoldenShower weight to 100 AND you are 100% dirty when defeated AND ShortDefeat Chance is 0%

 

I know ppl have a desire for golden shower but currently its just an immersive way to connect with Bathing in Skyrim. In my game I see the golden shower like 20% of times when I am defeated.

 

I put in my last papyrus journal, but before that I did 3 tests with a golden shower rate of 100. But you say that ShortDefeat Chance has to be 0, but that's not the case for me. I misinterpreted the mcm menu, English not being my first language. I'm going to try again by changing the mcm menu. Thanks for your reply.

[Nymra]

12 minutes ago, Cerral said:

I put in my last papyrus journal, but before that I did 3 tests with a golden shower rate of 100. But you say that ShortDefeat Chance has to be 0, but that's not the case for me. I misinterpreted the mcm menu, English not being my first language. I'm going to try again by changing the mcm menu. Thanks for your reply.

 

Golden Shower will only happen when you are dirty. if you are dirty 50, you will have 50% chance of getting a golden shower. 

 

Golden Shower Chance 100%

Dirtyness (from Bathing in Skyrim) 100

Short Defeat: 0% 

 

If this does not make you see a golden shower, then something is wrong

 

[SUNABOZUMOSQUITO]

hi ,I use the version 5.06 and I have a problem with the recover from beedout option, and when my 2 followers win the fight. When my character gets up, I no longer have control over it. When I go to the zaz menu and player control center, all the controls are off. If I force control with the restore button, I have access to everything again, but I can't move. The only way to regain control is to go to the debug menu (alt+k) select unstuck player. I did the same scenario with 5.00 and everything works fine with this version.

[Nymra]

3 minutes ago, SUNABOZUMOSQUITO said:

hi ,I use the version 5.06 and I have a problem with the recover from beedout option, and when my 2 followers win the fight. When my character gets up, I no longer have control over it. When I go to the zaz menu and player control center, all the controls are off. If I force control with the restore button, I have access to everything again, but I can't move. The only way to regain control is to go to the debug menu (alt+k) select unstuck player. I did the same scenario with 5.00 and everything works fine with this version.

 

thank you, I ll check 

[Nymra]

8 minutes ago, SUNABOZUMOSQUITO said:

hi ,I use the version 5.06 and I have a problem with the recover from beedout option, and when my 2 followers win the fight. When my character gets up, I no longer have control over it. When I go to the zaz menu and player control center, all the controls are off. If I force control with the restore button, I have access to everything again, but I can't move. The only way to regain control is to go to the debug menu (alt+k) select unstuck player. I did the same scenario with 5.00 and everything works fine with this version.

 

try this patch. Dunno how this happened. Have not tested it but this should enable controls like before. Report back if there are any problems. 

Naked Defeat 5-062 - Bleedout Recovery Controls - (LE+SE).7z

[Cerral]

37 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

Golden Shower will only happen when you are dirty. if you are dirty 50, you will have 50% chance of getting a golden shower. 

 

Golden Shower Chance 100%

Dirtyness (from Bathing in Skyrim) 100

Short Defeat: 0% 

 

If this does not make you see a golden shower, then something is wrong

 

 

The dirtiness is around 70 at the start of the event and 90 or more at the end.
But there's one question on my mind: is the golden shower active during the public humiliations? I test this way because it's easier.

[Nymra]

3 minutes ago, Cerral said:

 

The dirtiness is around 70 at the start of the event and 90 or more at the end.

 

Its only relevant how dirty you are when you are defeated. 70 is a 70% chance. in Skyrim that can mean anything ^^
meaning with 70% it can be you load the same savegame and play the same scenario and you still always get the same result... happened to me even with 1% chances. 

 

3 minutes ago, Cerral said:

But there's one question on my mind: is the golden shower active during the public humiliations? I test this way because it's easier.

 

it can happen all the time, no matter how the scenario started. in short defeat the chance for it is just lower.

 

Edited February 25, 2025 by Nymra

[SUNABOZUMOSQUITO]

Great, it works again. Thanks for this patch, and for all the time spent making this great mod. have a good day

[Lillithcometh]

A couple comments back, it was stated Nemesis + Pandora are not supported, but just FNIS. Nemesis is one thing but I’m surprised Pandora isn’t, how come? Or is it a matter of Pandora may/may not work? 

[Cerral]

41 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

Its only relevant how dirty you are when you are defeated. 70 is a 70% chance. in Skyrim that can mean anything ^^
meaning with 70% it can be you load the same savegame and play the same scenario and you still always get the same result... happened to me even with 1% chances. 

 

 

it can happen all the time, no matter how the scenario started. in short defeat the chance for it is just lower.

 

I give up. I don't know why, but golden shower won't trigger. I even checked with xedit to see if a mod was in conflict, and I didn't see anything. Well, it's not dramatic either, although I really wanted to see what it looks like in game. I'll wait for your future updates. Thank you.

[Talesien]

2 hours ago, Lillithcometh said:

A couple comments back, it was stated Nemesis + Pandora are not supported, but just FNIS. Nemesis is one thing but I’m surprised Pandora isn’t, how come? Or is it a matter of Pandora may/may not work? 

For one Nymra is still stuck in the past (i.e. on LE), there is no Pandora/Nemesis for LE so he can't test with either. It's also already established that Crawling does not work with Pandora (It worked with Fnis+Nemesis, no idea if it would've worked with just Nemesis, never tried that.) There is a workaround if you are able to set up some animation in OAR, but nothing packaged with ND yet, for obvious reasons. The crawling aside ND seems to work fine with Pandora. Though the whipping has the usual Precision/SCAR, etc. problems, if you use those mods. That's a bit more difficult to fix, but the DD NG folks are currently working on it.

TLDR: A mod author can only support what he can test, no Pandora for LE, no support for Pandora. Doesn't mean it won't work.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Cerral said:

I give up. I don't know why, but golden shower won't trigger. I even checked with xedit to see if a mod was in conflict, and I didn't see anything. Well, it's not dramatic either, although I really wanted to see what it looks like in game. I'll wait for your future updates. Thank you.

I am restarting tonight for another round of testing.  I will add the Gold-Shower animations to my game and reset the Bathing so I get dirty and run a test on the new version.  I tried it once in the prior version and the animations occasionally played without me being dirty.  Had not tried it since then but you have me curious why it won't play.  I'm on the AE version of the game with FNIS/Nemesis.  Will monitor the settings to make sure there is aftermath to the defeat or at least the likehood of an aftermath.  Should be a few days at most to trigger the animations depending on how much I can play.  From the prior experience, the animations were pretty good but gross and very degrading if you get into the immersion like I do.  

 

Small side note about getting dirty.  I usually set the BIS to never get me dirty.  Just do not like the look.  I like to bath of course but it is for immersion.  I did notice my character getting dirty from some other source.  Not sure if ND has that in the new version.  

 

If it works, will provide exact settings and mods I used related.  Modding is fun sometimes and finding why something is happening or not happening really helps me when I get to a critical mod I really like and want to find a fix.  I would say that if  your sexlab works and animations trigger when they are supposed to, BIS works and you get dirty and can bath and get cleaned, this should work.  Together, we can try different settings and find out.  🙏

[Nymra]

3 hours ago, Cerral said:

I give up. I don't know why, but golden shower won't trigger. I even checked with xedit to see if a mod was in conflict, and I didn't see anything. Well, it's not dramatic either, although I really wanted to see what it looks like in game. I'll wait for your future updates. Thank you.

 

dont waste time with that. Naked Defeat is 99.9% script based, nothing you know or dont know about fixing mods will work here. There can be no ESP conflicts.

you are either not 100% dirty or missed some other detail. you can check your Dirtness via Hotkey (configurable in BiS MCM). 

 

Also golden showers only work with Humans, not any type of creature (yet that is :P) 
 

Its a very basic animation currently and I m planning on vastly upgrading that feature to have more variety. 
 

 

[Cerral]

13 hours ago, TFor2 said:

I am restarting tonight for another round of testing.  I will add the Gold-Shower animations to my game and reset the Bathing so I get dirty and run a test on the new version.  I tried it once in the prior version and the animations occasionally played without me being dirty.  Had not tried it since then but you have me curious why it won't play.  I'm on the AE version of the game with FNIS/Nemesis.  Will monitor the settings to make sure there is aftermath to the defeat or at least the likehood of an aftermath.  Should be a few days at most to trigger the animations depending on how much I can play.  From the prior experience, the animations were pretty good but gross and very degrading if you get into the immersion like I do.  

 

Small side note about getting dirty.  I usually set the BIS to never get me dirty.  Just do not like the look.  I like to bath of course but it is for immersion.  I did notice my character getting dirty from some other source.  Not sure if ND has that in the new version.  

 

If it works, will provide exact settings and mods I used related.  Modding is fun sometimes and finding why something is happening or not happening really helps me when I get to a critical mod I really like and want to find a fix.  I would say that if  your sexlab works and animations trigger when they are supposed to, BIS works and you get dirty and can bath and get cleaned, this should work.  Together, we can try different settings and find out.  🙏

 

With pleasure, any help is welcome.

12 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

dont waste time with that. Naked Defeat is 99.9% script based, nothing you know or dont know about fixing mods will work here. There can be no ESP conflicts.

you are either not 100% dirty or missed some other detail. you can check your Dirtness via Hotkey (configurable in BiS MCM). 

 

Also golden showers only work with Humans, not any type of creature (yet that is :P) 
 

Its a very basic animation currently and I m planning on vastly upgrading that feature to have more variety. 
 

 

 

I'm doing my tests at Whiterun on the market square, the dirtiness is at 100, controlled with the hotkey. The participants are all human. Paying a bit more attention, I read that it requires FNIS/Nemesis, but I'm using Pandora. So I launched FNIS and this time I saw my character crawling. With Pandora, she walks. So Pandora isn't totally compatible with ND (I'll make a note of that).
I do not know how to read papyrus logs, but I saw this in the logs, I wonder if this is the cause of the problem. 

 

[02/26/2025 - 11:14:49AM] NAKED DEFEAT calmquest: Supressed Tags (Player): LeadIn, GoldenShower, Futa, Femdom, 3jiou, Necro, Guro, Loving, Molag, Furniture, XCross, Wall, InvisFurn, Bed, Stockade, Wheel, Pillory, BedOnly, Bench, Throne, WallHole, Yoke, Armbinder, Cuffs, FFF, MFF, FFM,

 

Golden Shower is in the deleted tags. What can I do?

 

Papyrus.0.log

[Nymra]

49 minutes ago, Cerral said:

 

With pleasure, any help is welcome.

 

I'm doing my tests at Whiterun on the market square, the dirtiness is at 100, controlled with the hotkey. The participants are all human. Paying a bit more attention, I read that it requires FNIS/Nemesis, but I'm using Pandora. So I launched FNIS and this time I saw my character crawling. With Pandora, she walks. So Pandora isn't totally compatible with ND (I'll make a note of that).
I do not know how to read papyrus logs, but I saw this in the logs, I wonder if this is the cause of the problem. 

 

[02/26/2025 - 11:14:49AM] NAKED DEFEAT calmquest: Supressed Tags (Player): LeadIn, GoldenShower, Futa, Femdom, 3jiou, Necro, Guro, Loving, Molag, Furniture, XCross, Wall, InvisFurn, Bed, Stockade, Wheel, Pillory, BedOnly, Bench, Throne, WallHole, Yoke, Armbinder, Cuffs, FFF, MFF, FFM,

 

Golden Shower is in the deleted tags. What can I do?

 

again, you can do nothing but upload the log. I write the log entries for me, not for the user

 

49 minutes ago, Cerral said:

 

Papyrus.0.log 3.39 MB · 0 downloads

 

for future reference: please disable SLAX (Sexlab Aroused eXtended) Papyrus logging. I never seen a mod spam more log data (you can do that in the mods MCM somewhere usually) 
 

But on the upside, I think I found the loophole that prevents the Golden Shower from appearing in your game.

Install this patch, no FNIS rerun, no other update routine required. Just do not this on a save where Naked Defeat Scenario (you are defeated/raped) is running.

 

Another note: in your game the first Defeat Scenario is again a Short Defeat, you had the chance at 50% still. In the second time you got raped I think I found the loophole. 

 

Naked Defeat 5-063 - GoldenShower-BathingFix - (LE+SE).7z

Edited February 26, 2025 by Nymra

[Cerral]

2 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

again, you can do nothing but upload the log. I write the log entries for me, not for the user

 

 

for future reference: please disable SLAX (Sexlab Aroused eXtended) Papyrus logging. I never seen a mod spam more log data (you can do that in the mods MCM somewhere usually) 
 

But on the upside, I think I found the loophole that prevents the Golden Shower from appearing in your game.

Install this patch, no FNIS rerun, no other update routine required. Just do not this on a save where Naked Defeat Scenario (you are defeated/raped) is running.

 

Another note: in your game the first Defeat Scenario is again a Short Defeat, you had the chance at 50% still. In the second time you got raped I think I found the loophole. 

 

Naked Defeat 5-063 - GoldenShower-BathingFix - (LE+SE).7z 165.68 kB · 1 download

I'm going to try this patch. I'm going to start a new game, I'm not sure why, but my current game is a bit weird. My character's speed keeps increasing. I'm at 300 instead of 100 in speedmult and I don't know why. I'm going to redo my loading order and my various patches.

[Nymra]

8 minutes ago, Cerral said:

I'm going to try this patch. I'm going to start a new game, I'm not sure why, but my current game is a bit weird. My character's speed keeps increasing. I'm at 300 instead of 100 in speedmult and I don't know why. I'm going to redo my loading order and my various patches.

 

Naked Defeat saves the Speed of the PC from before The Defeat and resets it to that value after Defeat ends. 

Because for the crawling I need the PC to slow down or it looks... well... shit.

 

But I also noticed that sometimes too many mods change speedmult and they all asume they are the only mod doing it. 
I m still working on that, but if it helps, you can search for "Speedmult" in the papyrus log and at least see what Naked Defeat does with it.

In your log one time the PC has speed 80 before Defeat, another time its 130. 

 

[Lenore]

Does this mod have a 3ba bodyslide?