Diary Of Mine for Paradise Halls

[TrollAutokill]

6 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

don't know if that'll cause extra strain on the papyrus engine to start a slave transition pool for ex-slaves, but once you start down this path, scheduled behavior patterns can give a feeling they're attempting a new life 

For uniques it might be feasible to assign them a new outfit made of their current equipment. I think I saw some mods creating outfits in papyrus.

 

For spawns unfortunately we would need to have a setoutfit function on Actor instead of ActorBase and modify Skyrim base code accordingly.

Edited November 10, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[sidfu1]

maybe check how this mod does it? i know for it if you disable  a npc to change they do go back to their normal outfit

[Good Provider]

I have been experimenting with sexlabArouse and OArouse.  Both "Come"->"Touch yourself" masturbation and kissing have no effect on arousal.

I assume DOM maintains its own arousal value?  It would be nice to have DOM use OArousal to get the arousal effects from of nudity, clothing, DD, and sexual activity outside of DOMs control.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Good Provider

[Villianize]

12 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

don't know if that'll cause extra strain on the papyrus engine to start a slave transition pool for ex-slaves, but once you start down this path, scheduled behavior patterns can give a feeling they're attempting a new life 

Would it just be easier then to make it so free slaves  just get the Former slave faction applied, and have an annotation within the MCM stating that the slave is currently free? This way nothing changes at all but  rather than the slave having certain dialogues implying they are a slave those dialogues will not show up, and instead the PC can request the slave to follow? Also with your idea from earlier to adjust the MHIYM patch these former slaves may be able to function outside of PAH with AI behaviors from other mods as well without having to remove them from the PAH pool. If you guys wanted to get really fancy with it, perhaps even a dialogue within the "Let's have a serious chat" to ask former slaves to return to the PCs "service" which could make it so instead of re-enslaving an NPC the faction can be removed from them making them go back to being a regular slave.

[sidfu1]

5 hours ago, Good Provider said:

I have been experimenting with sexlabArouse and OArouse.  Both "Come"->"Touch yourself" masturbation and kissing have no effect on arousal.

I assume DOM maintains its own arousal value?  It would be nice to have DOM use OArousal to get the arousal effects from of nudity, clothing, DD, and sexual activity outside of DOMs control.

dom has no tie into any aroused mod. it uses its own aroused  ssyte4m for slaves. touch yoursellf is more for sexual traning than fo rmaking them horny

[EdtheNord]

Is there a quick way to test facial expression?

I have never seen any slave using the crying facial expression in many hours of play.

Maybe i never triggered that. But i suspect it is more likely that there is something wroing with my installation.

[TrollAutokill]

6 hours ago, EdtheNord said:

Is there a quick way to test facial expression?

I have never seen any slave using the crying facial expression in many hours of play.

Maybe i never triggered that. But i suspect it is more likely that there is something wroing with my installation.

I am pretty sure you can setexpressions through the console.

 

[Khe]

so...something i've been wondering...when I start a sex scene via DoM with my favorite girl, it takes forever to actually start, and the console is filled with a buttload of spam of sexlab checking what appears to be every spell I have. Which, given that I have several hundred, this takes a while. Is...that sexlab doing it or something else?

[Good Provider]

21 hours ago, sidfu1 said:

dom has no tie into any aroused mod. it uses its own aroused  ssyte4m for slaves. touch yourself is more for sexual traning than for making them horny

 

Well the whole thing is about roleplay/immersive sexual training.  The question is which provides the best roleplay for a given individual?  Rolling your own version, with the benefit you don't have to understand someone else code and have tighter control, or working with an existing library, and benefiting from the set of other systems that already use it. For example if your roleplay was improved by Dripping Arousal (not me) or Aroused Nipples (more me). OSL Aroused is nice since it ties in to both sexlab and ostim opening up both systems to your sexual training. But coding time is limited and there is an infinite number of issues. so this just goes into the backlog with the others

 

I do have two questions:

• Does forbidding orgasm have some mechanical function or is it purely roleplay?
• Has anyone tried Dress up lovers for nudity? Does it have the same problems?

 

• Does anyone have DOM working with the latest version of skyrim? 

Edited November 12, 2022 by Good Provider

[TrollAutokill]

14 hours ago, Khe said:

so...something i've been wondering...when I start a sex scene via DoM with my favorite girl, it takes forever to actually start, and the console is filled with a buttload of spam of sexlab checking what appears to be every spell I have. Which, given that I have several hundred, this takes a while. Is...that sexlab doing it or something else?

DoM uses Pahe system to start sex. Maybe CliftonJD will answer.

[TrollAutokill]

9 hours ago, Good Provider said:

 

Well the whole thing is about roleplay/immersive sexual training.  The question is which provides the best roleplay for a given individual?  Rolling your own version, with the benefit you don't have to understand someone else code and have tighter control, or working with an existing library, and benefiting from the set of other systems that already use it. For example if your roleplay was improved by Dripping Arousal (not me) or Aroused Nipples (more me). OSL Aroused is nice since it ties in to both sexlab and ostim opening up both systems to your sexual training. But coding time is limited and there is an infinite number of issues. so this just goes into the backlog with the others

Other Arousal systems don't take into account DoM personalities and there are too many to create an interface. But you can disconnect DoM arousal and use another one or use both.

 

9 hours ago, Good Provider said:

I do have two questions:

• Does forbidding orgasm have some mechanical function or is it purely roleplay?

It has some function, but the interface is not perfect yet.

 

9 hours ago, Good Provider said:

• Has anyone tried Dress up lovers for nudity? Does it have the same problems?

Same problems as?

 

9 hours ago, Good Provider said:

• Does anyone have DOM working with the latest version of skyrim? 

 

It worked for me. But I had to downgrade because of issues with older mods using DLLs.

[Good Provider]

17 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

Other Arousal systems don't take into account DoM personalities and there are too many to create an interface. But you can disconnect DoM arousal and use another one or use both.

 

It has some function, but the interface is not perfect yet.

 

Same problems as?

 

 

It worked for me. But I had to downgrade because of issues with older mods using DLLs.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/28736 presented itself as a way to assign outfits to NPCs, so you could assign a collar outfit.  A bit of experimentation and it doesn't appear to be the solution I was hoping. 

 

Thanks for the update will stick with old skyrim for now. 

[Farsh-nuke]

I'm using DOM 2.12.2 on my current playthrough so apologies if this issue has been fixed already. This is my first time trying out the DOM Slaver functionality and even after setting the Molag Bol temple as the player base for the slaver and dismissing them to their and asking the Slaver in dialogue to set the Molag Bol temple as their base and to wait for me there they keep following me, them and the slaves under their care.

I realize this might have been patched already but since the slaver mechanic is still in development I thought I'd provide the feedback. I'm using NFF aswell.

[ChingChongWong]

Is there a way to Put NPC's that are not enslaved into a sack?, i've tried using the hotkey and it says "Putting (Name) into Sack" but not happens

[CliftonJD]

On 11/10/2022 at 10:10 PM, Villianize said:

Would it just be easier then to make it so free slaves  just get the Former slave faction applied, and have an annotation within the MCM stating that the slave is currently free? This way nothing changes at all but  rather than the slave having certain dialogues implying they are a slave those dialogues will not show up, and instead the PC can request the slave to follow? Also with your idea from earlier to adjust the MHIYM patch these former slaves may be able to function outside of PAH with AI behaviors from other mods as well without having to remove them from the PAH pool. If you guys wanted to get really fancy with it, perhaps even a dialogue within the "Let's have a serious chat" to ask former slaves to return to the PCs "service" which could make it so instead of re-enslaving an NPC the faction can be removed from them making them go back to being a regular slave.

keeping them within the slave pool with only a dialogue change would count those slaves toward the 127 limitation so you would need an external mod or some new method of purging slaves. tdf pimping and prostitution has also shown example that some mods need us to step out the way for those mods to work with ex-slaves

23 hours ago, Khe said:

so...something i've been wondering...when I start a sex scene via DoM with my favorite girl, it takes forever to actually start, and the console is filled with a buttload of spam of sexlab checking what appears to be every spell I have. Which, given that I have several hundred, this takes a while. Is...that sexlab doing it or something else?

even with 84mb log files i don't have sexlab spamming chat with my spell list. iirc tho you're on Le, not sure if that's the difference or not. i recognize the behavior, but don't recall from how long ago since its not in my current logs. think all sexlab scripts will appear in the log as an ssl, like sslbase or sslactor or sslthread or example here:

Spoiler

 SEXLAB - ActorAlias[Degaine] SetActor([WIDeadBodyCleanupScript < (0001F325)>]) - [sslActorAlias <alias ActorAlias003 on quest SexLabThread00 (06061EEF)>]

 

 

[CliftonJD]

6 hours ago, Farsh-nuke said:

I'm using DOM 2.12.2 on my current playthrough so apologies if this issue has been fixed already. This is my first time trying out the DOM Slaver functionality and even after setting the Molag Bol temple as the player base for the slaver and dismissing them to their and asking the Slaver in dialogue to set the Molag Bol temple as their base and to wait for me there they keep following me, them and the slaves under their care.

I realize this might have been patched already but since the slaver mechanic is still in development I thought I'd provide the feedback. I'm using NFF aswell.

isn't the molag bal temple a separate addon

[pinky6225]

39 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

isn't the molag bal temple a separate addon

 

Depends if they mean this mod

 

 

Or the place in Markath that has an altar to Molag Bol

 

@Farsh-nuke Does it just happen there or with the follower having a base set anywhere?

[TrollAutokill]

5 hours ago, ChingChongWong said:

Is there a way to Put NPC's that are not enslaved into a sack?, i've tried using the hotkey and it says "Putting (Name) into Sack" but not happens

It only works on slaves. I would guess the message you're seeing is the debug key message telling you, you pressed the put in bag key with this actor on the crosshair. But if it's not a PAHE slave, nothing happens, that's correct.

[ChingChongWong]

8 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

It only works on slaves. I would guess the message you're seeing is the debug key message telling you, you pressed the put in bag key with this actor on the crosshair. But if it's not a PAHE slave, nothing happens, that's correct.

ahhh ok, mega rip but still it's nice to know this mod is still going on LOL

 

thx for the explanation

[veebars]

Anyone using this with SPID? I seem to be seeing some sort of stacking application of SPID with PAHE/DOM managed slaves; slaves ending up with many extra items over time as if SPID is triggered to evaluate (sometimes giving a new/different OTFT) then the outfit contents are turned into inventory items then SPID applied again, rinse, repeat. Seems to happen randomly on dress or perhaps undress events (SexLab starts, ZaZ item un/equip). I don't *think* I see it yet with outfits applied normally (without SPID).

 

Update:

 

Typing the above made me realise I should really test SPID/no SPID. Same behavior with a bandit not hit by SPID. Checked items in a badit (slaved) inventory, used Strip, now! dialogue option, checked items in the NPC inventory, on exiting the inventory window something gave them a new OTFT/LL calculation. That is, they are now wearing different items than before (most of which are not listed in their inventory) and still have their original equipment items from Strip Now! in their inventory. Repeated with a SexLab trigger (punish->sex) and saw same behavior.

 

I understand there are limitation with templated actors and OTFTs and am happy to try to "play around" them, I'm just not seeing how to avoid this one, since even simple inventory changes seems to cause the problem even without ever using Strip and set your outfit.

 

Update 2:

 

In pushing this a bit for testing, I'm also seeing that during a strip process (both directly from Strip, now! dialogue or via SexLab trigger), sometimes an NPC will start "dressing" while they're stripping. Once everything is sorted, they have effectively two outfits worth of items in their inventory.

Edited November 12, 2022 by veebars

[Villianize]

So essentially the only way freeing slaves and turning them into followers can work is if a new pool is added and hopefully doesn't overload papyrus like you said then. Would it be worth an attempt in your opinion or is things with pah already pushing things enough where a second pool would be a guaranteed overexertion?

[Farsh-nuke]

20 hours ago, pinky6225 said:

 

Depends if they mean this mod

 

 

Or the place in Markath that has an altar to Molag Bol

 

@Farsh-nuke Does it just happen there or with the follower having a base set anywhere?

@CliftonJD

Yes I mean that mod but NFF lets me leave followers there normally and HSH worked fine with the molag bol temple from that mod but you raise good points. I'll try setting the followers base to breezehome and see if the problem still occurs.

[CliftonJD]

On 11/12/2022 at 4:07 PM, Villianize said:

So essentially the only way freeing slaves and turning them into followers can work is if a new pool is added and hopefully doesn't overload papyrus like you said then. Would it be worth an attempt in your opinion or is things with pah already pushing things enough where a second pool would be a guaranteed overexertion?

pahe runs a little slower as you get close to the cap and dom gets that much more strain on it, another pahe user overloaded his save with too many aygas slaves. if i have too many followers and slaves following the game gets a bit unstable.

[Villianize]

6 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

pahe runs a little slower as you get close to the cap and dom gets that much more strain on it, another pahe user overloaded his save with too many aygas slaves. if i have too many followers and slaves following the game gets a bit unstable.

I noticed that myself in an older playthrough. Being that the main issue im finding post freeing slaves really is just the fact they become naked and dont wear armor couldnt there be a cell scan when loading a cell to make slaves and former slaves equip current armor in their inventory (Ive noticed if you tell slaves to wait leave and come back that they are at times naked). This way if the slave is naked on cell load it can be addressed as you finish loading or if they are a former slave it does the same? The only thing  additional itd possibly have to catch is if their inventory is editted and the NPC needs to reequip clothing which comes down to monitoring NPCs in that faction as a whole...?

[Khe]

On 11/12/2022 at 9:43 AM, CliftonJD said:

even with 84mb log files i don't have sexlab spamming chat with my spell list. iirc tho you're on Le, not sure if that's the difference or not. i recognize the behavior, but don't recall from how long ago since its not in my current logs. think all sexlab scripts will appear in the log as an ssl, like sslbase or sslactor or sslthread or example

 

for clarity,  I do not mean the notification area (top left of screen), or the papyrus logs. I mean the console (opened with ~ by default). So...sexlab debug mode. What's being printed to the log is stuff like this: Checking([SPELL < (<id goes here>)]: <spell name>
A short search with Agent Ransack reveals that...it's sslSystemConfig's GetHDTSpell function. if I had looked on google first I'd have found this bit: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/177291-sexlab-and-animation-slow-to-start/
Makes me wonder though...did they REALLY have to use nested while loops for this check, was there really no alternative?


Unrelated, some of the dialog slaves use during sex is...uh...jarring. It's one thing for them to say "Yes, Mistress, I am your fuck toy" and another for them to use their usual idle chatter.
In either case, they don't entirely mesh well with Sexlab's facial animations setting being on. All their chatter should honestly be suppressed during sex scenes, and stuff like the aforementioned 'yes, mistress' line could probably be used as the scene is about to start