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4 hours ago, EJAX said:

 

I don't expect anyone to pay attention. Like me, they're just here for the free shit.

 

As for Team K17 "not caring"... When I asked them the same question I asked you: "Is hook still going to be compatible?", if they didn't give a crap, I'd expect them to say: "Who cares? That's hdiddy's department. Let him worry about it". But they didn't. They gave me essentially the same answer you did. I'm still waiting to hear from perkovert (the only one with any REAL say in the matter).

Seeing as when I asked the very same thing, I got accused of being HDiddy, has the thread I asked the question in locked, then when I messaged K17 for an explanation he chose to ignore it and leave the conversation I'd say that's a pretty resounding "who cares" if you ask me. They don't know what the hell they're doing, nor do they have any other response aside from "where working on it, please be patient." It took them almost 10 months to even take any form of actions, and the action they did take was half-assed at best. Anyone who still believes any of the drivel "the team" say at this point are either naïve, jaded or both.

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8 hours ago, EJAX said:

Oh, PLEASE!! You're the only animal in the known universe with "freedom", and that's only because you could GIVE it to yourself by being the highest animal on the evolutionary tree! The rest of the cosmos STEALS it's dinner! And guess what? You didn't buy this fucking program ("fucking" being the operative word here)! </anti-christian political tirade>


Really EJAX? Wonder if you've really read what I wrote because your evolutionist argument is naive! Also I don't think I would have bought this fucking software yeah you're right on that but I just can't believe that the same folks that bitch and moan about paid content and then claim for everything must to be free saying that selling something done with this game it is just blatantly taking advantage of their free developing job are the same guys that allow people to sell videos, pictures and poses done or promoted with the effort of other contributors

Let's say if you going to rule something either make it really rigid or really flexible for everybody but not to that idiot level of naiveness or hypocrisy

 

 

8 hours ago, EJAX said:

BTW, y'all should really stop calling yourself "TK17 Modders", and start calling yourself "HOOK Modders"; because not only are you biting the hand that feeds you in attacking tk17 (as in, I don't see any of YOU hacking this software); but from what I understand, most of them don't even use Hook


Wait? Does this mean that I'm invisible or just another Hook 5 modder? Just think carefully EJAX, otherwise I can relieve you from the space and time

Also, while I admit my last reply was a little tendentious I think we all should stick to the thread subject, and I don't see how the last five replies at least can count as on the rails

PS Ejax: I won't give more wire to your ramblings... I've said what I wanted to say and plenty aware of my intentions is not an argue...

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52 minutes ago, Fellwinter said:

Seeing as when I asked the very same thing, I got accused of being HDiddy, has the thread I asked the question in locked, then when I messaged K17 for an explanation he chose to ignore it and leave the conversation I'd say that's a pretty resounding "who cares" if you ask me. They don't know what the hell they're doing, nor do they have any other response aside from "where working on it, please be patient." It took them almost 10 months to even take any form of actions, and the action they did take was half-assed at best. Anyone who still believes any of the drivel "the team" say at this point are either naïve, jaded or both.

 

Might I point out that everyone HERE is waiting for THEM to hack the software. There's nothing preventing any of YOU from beating them to it (except that you don't know HOW). Chances are, neither do they, but so far their track record has been better than yours. And how many years have YOU spent running from a company who wants to see your head on a pike? Don't you think after all that you might be a little paranoid? I know I would be!

 

Granted, I don't know what the hdiddy thing was with you or TheEvils (maybe y'all misspell the same words, or something). I'll have to ask.

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1 hour ago, Gemini Saga said:

I just can't believe that the same folks that bitch and moan about paid content and then claim for everything must to be free saying that selling something done with this game it is just blatantly taking advantage of their free developing job are the same guys that allow people to sell videos, pictures and poses done or promoted with the effort of other contributors

 

 

I believe tk17's argument was that whenever someone puts something up for sale made with CompanyXXX's product, that gives CompanyXXX an excuse to come after them. And they're right about that. I think neither I nor they give a crap otherwise how you make your money. I realize there are a few devout anti-capitalists in the crowd, but, what can ya do?

 

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PS Ejax: I won't give more wire to your ramblings... I've said what I wanted to say and plenty aware of my intentions is not an argue...

 

OK, whatever.

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11 hours ago, EJAX said:

 

Might I point out that everyone HERE is waiting for THEM to hack the software. There's nothing preventing any of YOU from beating them to it (except that you don't know HOW). Chances are, neither do they, but so far their track record has been better than yours. And how many years have YOU spent running from a company who wants to see your head on a pike? Don't you think after all that you might be a little paranoid? I know I would be!

 

Granted, I don't know what the hdiddy thing was with you or TheEvils (maybe y'all misspell the same words, or something). I'll have to ask.

I'll give you that, there is nothing stopping someone else with the technical and coding acumen needed to crack the software themselves. But that would in a sense be stepping on the team's toes, would it not? And granted of the past few days my sympathy and empathy towards them has turned to 100% apathy with the lack of both leadership skill and respect displayed by K17 specifically, cutting them off at the knees when they're pretty much already crawling over hot coals would be in my view tactless. Or perhaps it's not. Maybe something like that happening would actually wake them up to the fact that they've completely lost touch with reality as well as the community. Maybe it is time that things got shaken up, specially since TK17 is slowly starting to fade into obscurity what with DAZ and VaM coming into the forefront of adult animation.

 

I guess only time will tell. But what I can say for certain regarding this community specifically, I'll follow the vision of KE before I follow the lies and inaction of "the team" any day of the week. And if it sounds like I'm a bit bitter, it's because I am. K17's response to being put on the hot seat proves not only is he an incapable leader, he's a man of frail fortitude. 

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49 minutes ago, Fellwinter said:

I guess only time will tell. But what I can say for certain regarding this community specifically, I'll follow the vision of KE before I follow the lies and inaction of "the team" any day of the week. 

 

What vision is this? To leech a game someone else has cracked, add a couple of scripts to it and claim to be the saviours of the day?

 

Not exactly visionary, is it. But it's obvious it doesn't take much to excite people like you.

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11 hours ago, EJAX said:

I believe tk17's argument was that whenever someone puts something up for sale made with CompanyXXX's product, that gives CompanyXXX an excuse to come after them. And they're right about that. I think neither I nor they give a crap otherwise how you make your money. I realize there are a few devout anti-capitalists in the crowd, but, what can ya do?


So? Let's say this and this it doesn't count as making money with a 3X product and doesn't give them an excuse to come after their arses? Because, those guys are doing both, they're giving the company an excuse to go hunting K17 and the team and they're parasiting the effort of other community members for making their own money


You would never could have been a lawyer I guess

 

12 hours ago, EJAX said:

Might I point out that everyone HERE is waiting for THEM to hack the software. There's nothing preventing any of YOU from beating them to it (except that you don't know HOW). Chances are, neither do they, but so far their track record has been better than yours. And how many years have YOU spent running from a company who wants to see your head on a pike? Don't you think after all that you might be a little paranoid? I know I would be!

 

Granted, I don't know what the hdiddy thing was with you or TheEvils (maybe y'all misspell the same words, or something). I'll have to ask.


May I point that all this crap have nothing to do with how extensive the track record of each side is?
Also ... May I point that this schism is all blood in K17's hands? I mean he is the one who murdered the site with his leadership incompetence, and putting the "KE definitely have more content" and "muh bro Team K17 have the developers" aside now we have two communities in which the chance of a meltingpot is strictly constrained to the chances of a stuborn "leader" to accept he did it wrong
 

And we all know that K17 will never going to accept that he did it wrong, so I guess we will keep divided till the walls break...

... but right now, right now I'm pretty much happy that you're not the revolutionary man up to that task I'd feel offended and lacerated if by any chance you become the hero in this stupid story!
 

I repeat I'll stand aside this lane you can all keep discussing about the 64bit version (and that's include you EJAX! Stay on your lane!) I've say all I had to say and unless someone came with a real non biased argument I see no point on involving myself

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2 hours ago, Fellwinter said:

I'll give you that, there is nothing stopping someone else with the technical and coding acumen needed to crack the software themselves. But that would in a sense be stepping on the team's toes, would it not? And granted of the past few days my sympathy and empathy towards them has turned to 100% apathy with the lack of both leadership skill and respect displayed by K17 specifically, cutting them off at the knees when they're pretty much already crawling over hot coals would be in my view tactless. Or perhaps it's not. Maybe something like that happening would actually wake them up to the fact that they've completely lost touch with reality as well as the community. Maybe it is time that things got shaken up, specially since TK17 is slowly starting to fade into obscurity what with DAZ and VaM coming into the forefront of adult animation.

 

I guess only time will tell. But what I can say for certain regarding this community specifically, I'll follow the vision of KE before I follow the lies and inaction of "the team" any day of the week. And if it sounds like I'm a bit bitter, it's because I am. K17's response to being put on the hot seat proves not only is he an incapable leader, he's a man of frail fortitude. 

 

If having a vision based on ten year old software is your thing, then more power to you. As far as I'm concerned the whole argument is moot anyway, because it looks like perkovert doesn't give a crap about a new version, tk17's or otherwise. And that's who matters to your argument. TK17's leadership skills don't mean a fucking thing.

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I don't know why perkovert doesn't just hack the program, and put the argument to rest once and for all. (actually, I know why, it's because then HE'LL be the bad guy every time shit doesn't go the way "the community" wants it to).

 

Ya GOTTA wonder what ThriXXX thinks of all this. If I were them I'd be laughing my ass off (except that it'd be my software y'all stole.. kinda takes the fun out of it..).

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2 hours ago, bertbertalsmann said:

 

What vision is this? To leech a game someone else has cracked, add a couple of scripts to it and claim to be the saviours of the day?

 

Not exactly visionary, is it. But it's obvious it doesn't take much to excite people like you.

 

Leeching a game? How do you leech a game that is publicly available? The vision of KE is modding and has always been modding. Whatever version of the game that is available is what we will focus our modding efforts on. That includes modding the game directly or new addons. This is nothing different from what folks do on 32 Bit. So if 64 Bit is available we will mod on that. Without modders modding for the new version it ultimately dies.  So not sure what you mean by leeching.

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25 minutes ago, EJAX said:

 

If having a vision based on ten year old software is your thing, then more power to you. As far as I'm concerned the whole argument is moot anyway, because it looks like perkovert doesn't give a crap about a new version, tk17's or otherwise. And that's who matters to your argument. TK17's leadership skills don't mean a fucking thing.

 

Hmmm. So vision is a lot of things.  For those of us who may happen to have real jobs leading a team...that vision is important.  From a dev aspect for TK17 vision is not just about whether someone failed make deals to ensure an integral mod for the game is in someway available in the future releases. It is also the stuff before it:

 

Vision is about having a plan to keep the community solvent knowing the site is going down

Vision is having a plan to spark a dying community that had little to no modders left or activity

Vision is not waiting for someone to come save you but getting things done yourself.

 

If your going to call yourself a "Team Leader"...all of the above, and partly the Hook 5 issue falls at your door step. Just like you get credit (eraned or not earned) for the successes, you get blamed (deserved or undeserved) for the failures.  So yes leadership skills play a large part in this.  It is the core reason why when any type of software development goes wrong....corrective actions start with the person leading the show. The whole Hook 5 thing is meh....because for starters we don't even know when VX2 will be ready so everything is pure speculation.  But please believe leadership skills are at the core of everything that has happened in the last 12 months.

 

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53 minutes ago, EJAX said:

 

Piss and moan all you want, but all winning this battle means is that you'll end up having to crack the next versions yourself (if you care). It's your loss, not mine.

 

What next versions? Thrixx is not coming out with SV3.  They have put all their money into ChatHouse3D.  For all intents and purposes this 64 Bit version is probably the last version of TK17 we will ever see.  But that is the thing. The modding community can survive without any more game updates.  Nobody needs to crack a new version of the game. Especially if the new version is not really improving that much for them.

 

If you want to look at a example of just this, Skyrim vs Skyrim SE was a huge issue in that community due to how many mods simply stopped working with SE.  To this day a large portion of that community still mods to SkyRim.

 

My point here....for such a legacy game, dev plays second fiddle to modding.  If modding dies the game effectively dies.  If dev dies, modding takes a hit but will effectively live on.  Trust me...TK17 knows this, even though they don't want to admit it.

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8 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

 

Hmmm. So vision is a lot of things.  For those of us who may happen to have real jobs leading a team...that vision is important.  From a dev aspect for TK17 vision is not just about whether someone failed make deals to ensure an integral mod for the game is in someway available in the future releases. It is also the stuff before it:

 

Vision is about having a plan to keep the community solvent knowing the site is going down

Vision is having a plan to spark a dying community that had little to no modders left or activity

Vision is not waiting for someone to come save you but getting things done yourself.

 

If your going to call yourself a "Team Leader"...all of the above, and partly the Hook 5 issue falls at your door step. Just like you get credit (eraned or not earned) for the successes, you get blamed (deserved or undeserved) for the failures.  So yes leadership skills play a large part in this.  It is the core reason why when any type of software development goes wrong....corrective actions start with the person leading the show. The whole Hook 5 thing is meh....because for starters we don't even know when VX2 will be ready so everything is pure speculation.  But please believe leadership skills are at the core of everything that has happened in the last 12 months.

 

 

It is My understanding that TK17 calls himself the leader of the team who maintains the software, not the leader of this "community". That's ALL YOU! And from what I see, you don't want tk17, or anyone else to be a leader in ANY capacity; because being a leader is (among other things) ensuring that things go a certain way DESPITE what the lesser "community" wants. So, like I said... If you want to be the king of your own little world, then HACK the software; put YOUR NAME on it; and FORGET all about TK17 and his lack of "leadership skills"! Otherwise, just keep doing what you've been doing: going back just long enough to grab the latest update, and call him an asshole for giving it to you!

 

I'm going to go beat-off now.. It's been nice talking to ya!

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Oh... One more thing... YOU DON'T KNOW what happened to the modsgarden. It could be anything...

 

A) Moritaka died of covid19

B) He got dragged off to a concentration camp by the People's Republic for running an illegal porn server

C) He quit giving a shit and left you to die

D) He found Jesus

 

How is any of that tk17's fault?

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58 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

 

If you want to look at a example of just this, Skyrim vs Skyrim SE was a huge issue in that community due to how many mods simply stopped working with SE.  To this day a large portion of that community still mods to SkyRim.

 

I'm still using HOODLUM version 1.0 of Gta San Andreas. You CAN run a lot of the mods on other versions, but most of the good stuff crashes. I haven't learned how to put mods into the Android version yet; but it looks like a pain in the ass, and gaming on Android sucks enough that I don't care anyway. But, yeah, you don't always get to play with the latest and greatest.

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1 hour ago, EJAX said:

 

It is My understanding that TK17 calls himself the leader of the team who maintains the software, not the leader of this "community". That's ALL YOU! And from what I see, you don't want tk17, or anyone else to be a leader in ANY capacity; because being a leader is (among other things) ensuring that things go a certain way DESPITE what the lesser "community" wants. So, like I said... If you want to be the king of your own little world, then HACK the software; put YOUR NAME on it; and FORGET all about TK17 and his lack of "leadership skills"! Otherwise, just keep doing what you've been doing: going back just long enough to grab the latest update, and call him an asshole for giving it to you!

 

I'm going to go beat-off now.. It's been nice talking to ya!

 

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Thats all I have to say here.

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1 hour ago, EJAX said:

Oh... One more thing... YOU DON'T KNOW what happened to the modsgarden. It could be anything...

 

A) Moritaka died of covid19

B) He got dragged off to a concentration camp by the People's Republic for running an illegal porn server

C) He quit giving a shit and left you to die

D) He found Jesus

 

How is any of that tk17's fault?

 

Now you are implying I said MG died because of K17?  Bro come one now, stop making stuff up. It's beneath you.

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4 hours ago, bertbertalsmann said:

 

What vision is this? To leech a game someone else has cracked, add a couple of scripts to it and claim to be the saviours of the day?

 

Not exactly visionary, is it. But it's obvious it doesn't take much to excite people like you.

Aww, you created a brand new account and joined just to attack little old me? I'm honored.

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Don't take this the wrong way but this is pretty much the rhetoric K17 wants people to believe- Cry foul and innocent, and blame others etc. I'm not saying not to listen to him. You can listen to his story. But we been saying our side of the matter. And its up to the user to question and come to their conclusion.

 

You even mention his foolishness:
 

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And that whole bit about "don't say the devil's name and he won't know you're there"... It doesn't work!

I mean, I even joked on not saying "names" 3 times. They are still pushing the notice of "the company that shalt not be mention" - hell even K17 went and posted a reply that really sounded like it was being directed towards '3x's lawyers' that "they don't do that".

 

3 hours ago, EJAX said:

It is My understanding that TK17 calls himself the leader of the team who maintains the software, not the leader of this "community". That's ALL YOU! And from what I see, you don't want tk17, or anyone else to be a leader in ANY capacity; because being a leader is (among other things) ensuring that things go a certain way DESPITE what the lesser "community" wants.

To give you some context. K17 went and created a biased post and poll in which was clear - Mostly geared to HDiddy, Oz, and GK - to let K17 and co take over of KE and to give me the boot.

Which is funny because - I'll admit. I don't like K17. I've had my clashes with him. So I don't trust him. So I was already against his little take over attempt. But the others to say no, without my interference was; HDiddy, Oz, and GK. Why? Because they for the most part have been trying to bring K17 on board (again, I'll be a man and admit that I against these early meetings, I was always blabbering about K17 ignore their invitations).

But every time they would invite K17 - K17 would ruin that. So its his fault that he kept on ruining the gestures that HDiddy and Oz saw and wanted to achieve. Which brings us to the current situation. K17 fucked up so badly against 2 individuals who really wanted to help him, that they themselves are saying Fuck that dude.

 

3 hours ago, EJAX said:

So, like I said... If you want to be the king of your own little world, then HACK the software; put YOUR NAME on it; and FORGET all about TK17 and his lack of "leadership skills"! Otherwise, just keep doing what you've been doing: going back just long enough to grab the latest update, and call him an asshole for giving it to you!

 

I'm going to go beat-off now.. It's been nice talking to ya!

As for leader of the community, he has always stated to being "leader" and has for the most part tried to down play KE. That said, dude isn't hacking anything. I'll give him props, we worked some magic many years ago and got a bunch of coders together to make TK17 7.5. But he could not recreate that and threw many of those coders under the bus.

 

Which brings me on to my next point. Much of the features that is in VX was created in R9X. But you know what K17 did, erase R9X. Avarteas worked his magic and 'reversed engineered' what was made in R9X and rebranded it as being "theirs". So are they being any different? I mean, K17 and co are going back long enough to grab the latest stuff in R9X and calling R9 and Euphie assholes about it. The irony of that.

 

2 hours ago, EJAX said:

Oh... One more thing... YOU DON'T KNOW what happened to the modsgarden. It could be anything...

 

A) Moritaka died of covid19

B) He got dragged off to a concentration camp by the People's Republic for running an illegal porn server

C) He quit giving a shit and left you to die

D) He found Jesus

 

How is any of that tk17's fault?

Hey we said the same thing. For all we know she got sick of having people freeload off of her.

 

But its K17 fault because when MG started going on and off. There was talk of creating a solid backup just in case the worst happens. K17 ensured that won't happen and told them to "eff off". And here they are, waiting for Moritaka to come back. Or for another 'Moritaka'. Their fix it plan for MG in the alpha channel is funny, they planned to delete all content for 7.5, R9X, dumb/dup/shitposts, remove their critics, remove VaM content (lol) and thought it would give them more years to function. It was funny because that is basically like trying to slap duct-tape on the titanic and prevent it from sinking.

 

But still, they had no back up plan. HDiddy made this club page just in case MG went down and the community/we have a space to pass these short waiting time, marburg and daspex have said that it will be back on in few days, those days turned into months. Put it this way, it took K17 7+ months to finally make a official club page.

 

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When did anyone know the site was going down?

Since August and in September we started concluding that I was not gonna come back. I was leaking stuff to him and Oz. I have entry and sources to the Alpha Channel. Moritaka stopped appearing/replying to them since mid 2020. If Moritaka stopped replying to personal emails, etc. Than something "happened" as it spooked them in the alpha channel but they did not know what do.

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As I recall, MG went down 2 times in July 2020. 1st time was the weekend of July 4th. It was down 3 days. Then a mere 2 weeks later July 22nd it went down again, and never returned. 

 

5 hours ago, bertbertalsmann said:

 

What vision is this? To leech a game someone else has cracked, add a couple of scripts to it and claim to be the saviours of the day?

 

Not exactly visionary, is it. But it's obvious it doesn't take much to excite people like you.

Almost as obvious as it is that it doesn't take much to trigger people like you, eh? 

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3 minutes ago, Mr_Smoke said:

But still, they had no back up plan. HDiddy made this club page just case MG went so we have a space to pass these short waiting time, marburg and daspex have said that it will be back on in few days, those days turned into months. Put it this way, it took K17 7+ months to finally make a official club page.

 

So you have web page. Does that mean that YOU will be releasing the 64bit version, and not TK17? If so, congratulations on the steal! If not...

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12 minutes ago, EJAX said:

 

So you have web page. Does that mean that YOU will be releasing the 64bit version, and not TK17? If so, congratulations on the steal! If not...

Don't get it what you are trying to say here. It like you implied that the sky is blue - I also agreed with you statement and now you are now saying that I implied that its "red".

 

I don't know dude. But you said it best "I'm going to go beat-off now.. It's been nice talking to ya! "

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