What Will 64 Bit Look Like? Let Me Show You

[EJAX]

DANG! I leave for FIVE MINUTES!

[Fellwinter]

His response was asinine at best. You got to be paranoid on a whole other level to jump to such a preposterous conclusion. Regarding what I said in my last post, that's what it really boils down to. Who among content creators are going to integrate into VXI. Without Hook functionality I don't see it being many. Certainly not the likes of Kraegar, Driver or Sexvision whose content is completely derived from H5. Yet they're trying to pawn off the core graphical functionality of the 64bit version as comparable? They must take a lot of people as being idiots.

[hdiddy]

2 minutes ago, Fellwinter said:

His response was asinine at best. You got to be paranoid on a whole other level to jump to such a preposterous conclusion. Regarding what I said in my last post, that's what it really boils down to. Who among content creators are going to integrate into VXI. Without Hook functionality I don't see it being many. Certainly not the likes of Kraegar, Driver or Sexvision whose content is completely derived from H5. Yet they're trying to pawn off the core graphical functionality of the 64bit version as comparable? They must take a lot of people as being idiots.

 

Well obviously they do not have answers to questions they should have known were going to arise with a community becoming more and more dependent on Hook5.  The issue is none of the dev team are hook5 users so maybe they feel the majority of the community is like them.

 

What makes it worse with PervK putting Hook5 Extended out DRM free...and its eventual likelihood to leak...by the time they release VX2 it would be safe to say the majority of the community is on Hook5

[EJAX]

6 minutes ago, Fellwinter said:

 They must take a lot of people as being idiots.

 

They didn't write the software, dude, they're just hacking it so that you don't have to. At least, that's what we're being told..

[hdiddy]

6 minutes ago, EJAX said:

 

They didn't write the software, dude, they're just hacking it so that you don't have to. At least, that's what we're being told..

Be careful about what you believe

[Fellwinter]

 

 

5 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

 

Well obviously they do not have answers to questions they should have known were going to arise with a community becoming more and more dependent on Hook5.  The issue is none of the dev team are hook5 users so maybe they feel the majority of the community is like them.

 

What makes it worse with PervK putting Hook5 Extended out DRM free...and its eventual likelihood to leak...by the time they release VX2 it would be safe to say the majority of the community is on Hook5

So by the time a VXI beta is even a thing, at least 40% or more of the community will be using H5. And pretty much all of the existing high profile creators are as well. So they're going to have a brand new, but incomplete version of the game, and no creators or modders making anything for it aside from the few who choose to remain on that side. Yes, that's a recipe for success if ever I've seen. /S

[hdiddy]

1 minute ago, Fellwinter said:

 

 

So by the time a VXI beta is even a thing, at least 40% or more of the community will be using H5. And pretty much all of the existing high profile creators are as well. So they're going to have a brand new, but incomplete version of the game, and no creators or modders making anything for it aside from the few who choose to remain on that side. Yes, that's a recipe for success if ever I've seen. /S

 

To be honest with you while there is still a healthy junk of active vanilla users I think it is still less than Hook users. Maybe I am biased but we will see with this pol we are doing on Ke

[Fellwinter]

There probably is more people not using H5 then there is. The point I was getting at is that the vast majority of creators are H5 users. I don't see any of them making VX and VXI versions of their content. That transition between 7.5 and VX was seamless because H5 was already in play. There is no H6, and for many creators, yourself included, that's the only thing even keeping them attached to TK17 in the first place. All I was interested in knowing was if they had any sort of dialog with Pervo regarding potential development of H6 to coincide with the release of a VXI beta. And for my trouble I get insulted by the so called leader.

[_Haze_]

I'm a bit confused here and would like some clarification. In fact I think we deserve some answers and not being used as pawns. I decided to asked this here because in the other club, team leader closed it down. I don't know why, only simple questions was being asked.

I'm asking it here, because it seems like here is the only place that it seems like leaders won't close a topic down for simply asking questions and users have the liberty to do what they do.

 

So can someone clarify what the roles of  the dev team. As to what I can see and understand, the dev team are, K17, Marburg, Daspex, Avarteas, Vascosnts and WR. So far, I know K17 is team leader but is he also a hacker or a coder? Marburg in the past said he is junior hacker so is he working on the codes or what? K17 has recently said avarteas and WR are the only coders. So is Hacker better than a coder? As for the rest, I do not know what roles they play but it seems like they are in the dev team and I want to know more.

 

I'm confused about the sites. It was mentioned last year that the site would be. It's now 2021 and nothing. There was that notion about MG2 being created and K17 wanting bitcoin. How is it that you guys managed to create KE out of thin air and MG2 will need a unknown time frame.

Since I mention KE, did you guys invite the dev team? In order to unite the community. If so - why aren't they there?

 

And in terms of basic freedom, since K17 closed down that post and does not want to continue on talking about the 64bit. I've read that you guys been accused of abusing power. Is K17 action similar or worse? In my opinion he looks worst but that is just 1 persons opinion.

[EJAX]

 

ThriXXX writes the software. tk17 hacks it and provides it to the world (hopefully). They have nothing to do with programming it (allegedly). So whatever features the engine itself ends up with they have no say in. So blaming them for hook being obsoleted is pointless. Believe me, I feel your pain. I'm a GTA modder from way-back. To this day I am forced to use the 1.0 version of GTA_SA.EXE because that's what all the mods are for.

 

As for Pervo, well, he posted the news here first, so we probably know more than they do about hook's future. (I mean "we" in the geographical sense)

[hdiddy]

58 minutes ago, _Haze_ said:

So can someone clarify what the roles of  the dev team. As to what I can see and understand, the dev team are, K17, Marburg, Daspex, Avarteas, Vascosnts and WR. So far, I know K17 is team leader but is he also a hacker or a coder?

 

K17 is the Team Leader for Team K17. He is neither a hacker nor a coder. He is more akin to a spokesperson.

 

59 minutes ago, _Haze_ said:

Marburg in the past said he is junior hacker so is he working on the codes or what? K17 has recently said avarteas and WR are the only coders. So is Hacker better than a coder? As for the rest, I do not know what roles they play but it seems like they are in the dev team and I want to know more.

 

WR is probably your true hacker/cracker.  He is the one that cracked the game. Avarteas is more or less the lead dev who came on sometime around 2017, aka the lead script writer who basically writes all the scripts for the game to actually work.  Marbug, Daspex, and the rest are like Interns...they are in the club but no real defined technical role

 

1 hour ago, _Haze_ said:

I'm confused about the sites. It was mentioned last year that the site would be. It's now 2021 and nothing. There was that notion about MG2 being created and K17 wanting bitcoin. How is it that you guys managed to create KE out of thin air and MG2 will need a unknown time frame.

Does not take that long to build a site of you know what you are doing. Assume what you may.

 

1 hour ago, _Haze_ said:

Since I mention KE, did you guys invite the dev team? In order to unite the community. If so - why aren't they there?

Yes we did.  However Team K17 wanted administrative control of the site (A site both myself and Oz put our own money into it to fund). They also wanted to kick one of our founding members (Smoke) off the admin team.  We declined.

 

1 hour ago, _Haze_ said:

And in terms of basic freedom, since K17 closed down that post and does not want to continue on talking about the 64bit. I've read that you guys been accused of abusing power. Is K17 action similar or worse? In my opinion he looks worst but that is just 1 persons opinion.

 

When we have closed down post in the past it has been mainly due to individuals trying to spread false information about KE. Like we are a pay site, we are selling mods, etc...all things which are not true.  So for those that continued to do that even after being warned threads were closed and people were kicked.

 

As for what K17 did, you will have to ask him.  It seems he felt I was hiding behind a fake account and accused a member of being me (2nd time he has done this by the way), and instead of answering difficult...yet valid questions, he shut down the post.

 

 

[_Haze_]

3 hours ago, hdiddy said:

K17 is the Team Leader for Team K17. He is neither a hacker nor a coder. He is more akin to a spokesperson.

Wait, you telling me this dude is neither? Its hard to believe this guy is a nobody in the modding scene. Than again, it would not surprise me.

 

3 hours ago, hdiddy said:

WR is probably your true hacker/cracker.  He is the one that cracked the game. Avarteas is more or less the lead dev who came on sometime around 2017, aka the lead script writer who basically writes all the scripts for the game to actually work.  Marbug, Daspex, and the rest are like Interns...they are in the club but no real defined technical role

Figured much that WR is the only credible person in there. He's been doing this for years. I'm surprise he is sticking around. So the interns are just there to cheer on K17? That is kinda sad. Being honest here but I thought they did more aside from doing their own stuff. Their content does not justify what this game is capable of. I modded stuff, retired so I lurk in the back. But come on, how is a plastic little toilet suppose to generate hype? You would think someone that flaunts his status and looks down on you guys would produce better content and put you guys to shame. Daspex, is ok but why are his rooms really out of place? I want to say I have a good gaming PC but my shit has crashed trying to load his rooms. He must be SLI'ing 2 3080's or something. Heck, even a 3080 can't handle CP2077, you see how the FPS tanks to 10-20. I suppose some people are fine with that.

 

4 hours ago, hdiddy said:

Does not take that long to build a site of you know what you are doing. Assume what you may.

I figured considered you guys did exactly that. Unless you guys are magicians. ?

 

4 hours ago, hdiddy said:

Yes we did.  However Team K17 wanted administrative control of the site (A site both myself and Oz put our own money into it to fund). They also wanted to kick one of our founding members (Smoke) off the admin team.  We declined.

So all that drama that has been happening is true? Wait, so they wanted to boot someone that helped create KE? lol why? There is really no logic behind that idea. That is like telling water to not be wet.

So did avarteas leave or what? K17 made it clear that he quit because you guys were selling stuff in KE, which is funny because I had to see it myself.

 

4 hours ago, hdiddy said:

When we have closed down post in the past it has been mainly due to individuals trying to spread false information about KE. Like we are a pay site, we are selling mods, etc...all things which are not true.  So for those that continued to do that even after being warned threads were closed and people were kicked.

 

As for what K17 did, you will have to ask him.  It seems he felt I was hiding behind a fake account and accused a member of being me (2nd time he has done this by the way), and instead of answering difficult...yet valid questions, he shut down the post.

If my memory serves correctly, didn't K17 blame smoke for making a ton of money? I say this, smoke, release your taxes!

You know, I would ask K17 but he usually will ignore it or delete it. He did before you guys took over this page. Funny how they complain about censorship and they are the biggest fascist police out there.

No one likes to be criticized. But with them, you are automatically in their shit list. At least with you guys, you can have a decent debate.

[hdiddy]

1 hour ago, _Haze_ said:

Wait, you telling me this dude is neither? Its hard to believe this guy is a nobody in the modding scene. Than again, it would not surprise me.

 

Well in this space you usually have to judge a book by its cover. So you simply need to ask yourself...where are all of his mods.  That said this is something Avarteas told me direct in email, so I have no reason not to believe him.

 

1 hour ago, _Haze_ said:

So all that drama that has been happening is true? Wait, so they wanted to boot someone that helped create KE? lol why? There is really no logic behind that idea. That is like telling water to not be wet.

So did avarteas leave or what? K17 made it clear that he quit because you guys were selling stuff in KE, which is funny because I had to see it myself.

 

Yes, the drama, unfortunately is true. As to Avarteas, no he did not leave. I have heard from multiple independent sources in the know he is working hard on VX2 64bit

 

1 hour ago, _Haze_ said:

If my memory serves correctly, didn't K17 blame smoke for making a ton of money? I say this, smoke, release your taxes!

You know, I would ask K17 but he usually will ignore it or delete it. He did before you guys took over this page. Funny how they complain about censorship and they are the biggest fascist police out there.

No one likes to be criticized. But with them, you are automatically in their shit list. At least with you guys, you can have a decent debate.

 

Well not going to comment on the K17 v Smoke beef, because it goes deep.  That said Smoke was accused of doing a lot of things which he was not doing.   Smoke simply wanted some level of consistency on matters revolving around Patreon. Something that had been an issue in MG for a while. Smoke just put out in the open in which he was effectively dismissed for it.

 

Anyway it is what it is. I love a good debate, but sometimes things go way too far.

[EJAX]

This is not at all what I was expecting. Knowing that "the team" are just your run-of-the-mill modders calling themselves developers, I figured a "64bit upgrade" would amount to little more than a pre-patched exe with the hook4 or (more likely) the hook5 free dll included with the installation; possibly even some sliders to give you some lighting controls. I didn't think ThriXXX had any part in it. Now I'm thinking your tech-support nightmares are only just beginning.

[Arse22]

23 hours ago, Fellwinter said:

They must take a lot of people as being idiots.

users who pay them money all these years

users who pay for porn in 2021

rosecolored shades if you think the game was even cutting edge or on-par graphically at RELEASE

et al

 

Say what you will, they have valid arguments.

[hdiddy]

45 minutes ago, Arse22 said:

users who pay them money all these years

users who pay for porn in 2021

rosecolored shades if you think the game was even cutting edge or on-par graphically at RELEASE

et al

 

Say what you will, they have valid arguments.

 

Who is they?

[Gemini Saga]

1 hour ago, hdiddy said:

 

Who is they?

Those who still paying subscription to thrixxx after these years, those who still paying for porn in 2021 and those who still believe that the graphic engine is avant-garde even nowadays when it's more than clear that it was obsolete from the get go, If I'm not getting it wrong he's pointing straight to them
 

Do not get me wrong with this but I can't niether understand the hype for the DX9 built in graphic improvement neither the panic of hook5 users regarding the future of the injector when it's clear that pervokptr will take cards on the subject updating the development to VX2 x64
 

My point is, it will pass a long period of time till the final development of the 64 bit version of the game, during this long time people will require to learn how to deal with incertitude

It will be what it have to be...

[Arse22]

21 hours ago, hdiddy said:

 

Who is they?

Pretty sure he meant 3x

[Fellwinter]

On 3/15/2021 at 9:52 PM, Arse22 said:

users who pay them money all these years

users who pay for porn in 2021

rosecolored shades if you think the game was even cutting edge or on-par graphically at RELEASE

et al

 

Say what you will, they have valid arguments.

what valid arguments are these? You can't make such a statement without providing anything to back them up.

[Gemini Saga]

37 minutes ago, Fellwinter said:

what valid arguments are these? You can't make such a statement without providing anything to back them up.

Money talks, capital vests many business with prestige that they rarely deserve thus, 3X and their daily basis of customers that pay subscription to a legal with non bugs (apparently... we all know is as buggy as ours) product usually endorse the company
 

Now, I think you guys are in a sort of confusion here as our felow Fellwinter here weren't talking about 3X when he mentioned "They must take a lot of people as being idiots" but about Team K17 instead and the way they seems to boast the x64 SV2 DX9 engine as a revolutionary change that even if a change indeed (definitely better than DX8 shitty graphics) it is really years behind the development achievements of hook5

@Fellwinter If you were addressing to K17 and company the answer is clear, they are the other end of the rope their distrust in capital have turned them into even greyish people than those who greed till the point of becoming the ultimate freeloaders!
 

As I've learned in the past from a very professional in ethics "don't you ever mistook freedom with debauchery, freedom is a basic human right but is bounded by ethics principles while debauchery is just the door to entropy"
 

I'll summarize for you and I hope being wrong but K17 and his people seems to be extremely labile individuals with a clearly distorted vision of many concepts and a very egodistonic enviness but once again, I hope being wrong! I love to be wrong that's how we learn right?

[EJAX]

2 hours ago, Gemini Saga said:

"don't you ever mistook freedom with debauchery, freedom is a basic human right but is bounded by ethics principles while debauchery is just the door to entropy"

 

 

Oh, PLEASE!! You're the only animal in the known universe with "freedom", and that's only because you could GIVE it to yourself by being the highest animal on the evolutionary tree! The rest of the cosmos STEALS it's dinner! And guess what? You didn't buy this fucking program ("fucking" being the operative word here)! </anti-christian political tirade>

 

BTW, y'all should really stop calling yourself "TK17 Modders", and start calling yourself "HOOK Modders"; because not only are you biting the hand that feeds you in attacking tk17 (as in, I don't see any of YOU hacking this software); but from what I understand, most of them don't even use Hook, Reshade, etc., so why should they care about compatibility? I mean, they obviously do, but I don't think it's their first priority. And they didn't write this shit to begin with, so they're stuck with whatever 'the company' gives them, just like the rest of us. So the entire discussion is pointless.

[hdiddy]

20 minutes ago, EJAX said:

 

Oh, PLEASE!! You're the only animal in the known universe with "freedom", and that's only because you could GIVE it to yourself by being the highest animal on the evolutionary tree! The rest of the cosmos STEALS it's dinner! And guess what? You didn't buy this fucking program ("fucking" being the operative word here)! </anti-christian political tirade>

 

BTW, y'all should really stop calling yourself "TK17 Modders", and start calling yourself "HOOK Modders"; because not only are you biting the hand that feeds you in attacking tk17 (as in, I don't see any of YOU hacking this software); but from what I understand, most of them don't even use Hook, Reshade, etc., so why should they care about compatibility? I mean, they obviously do, but I don't think it's their first priority. And they didn't write this shit to begin with, so they're stuck with whatever 'the company' gives them, just like the rest of us.

 

What on earth are you talking about?

 

Hacking the software?  The software is a bunch of scipts, people are playing around with it daily.  Euphie's XMorphs, MrOllyK's mods, my XBody. Come one dude.  Slow your roll, and think before you talk...as it seems all your trying to do is instigate a bunch of nothing.  You cannot bite a hand that has not fed you anything.  If you really want to pull that argument, We can easily say TK17 bit the the hand of Rick9 and R9X, because without their help would have never been able to release VX. Also, EJAX....this whole "neutral" stance you are trying to play is getting old. Becuase neutral is what you are not.  Your an instigator, EJAX, stop being messy and trying to create more drama.  Its not necessary.

 

No the "Dev Team" does not use hook.  Why should they care? Well because the majority of the community does use Hook. K17 likes to say "Listen to the Community" or "Lets do what the community wants" well here is their chance.  The majority of the community are Hook 5 users, the majority of the community want Hook 5 Support on VX so if K17 truly wants to listen to the community here is his chance on something that for the most part he has the most control over.

 

I would agree it is not their first priority, and it shouldn't be, but I think the difference is that it does not seem it is a priority at all.  Which is clear based upon the current state of events.

 

 

[EJAX]

10 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

 

What on earth are you talking about?

 

Hacking the software?  The software is a bunch of scipts, people are playing around with it daily.

 

Well, if that's all there is to it, then you should have no trouble taking your legitimate copy of 3Dsexvilla, slapping your name on it, and telling Team K17 to "Go F......".

 

10 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

Also, EJAX....this whole "neutral" stance you are trying to play is getting old.

 

 

I'm hardly "neutral". Red calls me liberal, and blue calls me NAZI. Same as it ever was....

 

10 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

Becuase neutral is what you are not.  Your an instigator, EJAX, stop being messy and trying to create more drama.  Its not necessary.

 

What you call "drama" is what you don't want spoken. But I never was very good at keeping my mouth shut. And I'm only HERE for the discussion. I've GOT everything else I need, thank you very much! And I DO MEAN Thank You! But YOU DON'T OWN FUCK DIDDLY SQUAT OF IT! So I'm not sympathetic to anyone's complaints that they don't see their name in the credits.

 

10 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

 

No the "Dev Team" does not use hook.  Why should they care? Well because the majority of the community does use Hook. K17 likes to say "Listen to the Community" or "Lets do what the community wants" well here is their chance. 

 

 

Again... IT'S NOT UP TO THEM!

 

You know, for the longest time, I thought it WAS... And it was my own fault for not asking... But I figured Team K17 had something cooked-up with perkovert (or whatever the fuck his name is), and between the lot of them, there existed enough programming knowledge to release some sort of 64 bit patch, sans all of the tech support (you know, the quintessential noobie question: "why does my HOOK keep crashing?".. Well, why is a newbie even running hook in the first place?!?!?). I didn't know THRIXXX had released anything until YOU posted screenshots the other day. Then the discussion immediately turned to "who who has the bigger 3D dick overlay"; and somehow, it became tk17's fault that HOOK was no longer compatible! How the fuck y'all made that leap of logic is beyond me!! And, yeah, I'm just as miffed as you are that tk17 cut-off the discussion. But I'm SURE it's because he didn't want to hear it was HIS fault, anymore than I do!

 

 

10 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

 

The majority of the community are Hook 5 users, the majority of the community want Hook 5 Support on VX so if K17 truly wants to listen to the community here is his chance on something that for the most part he has the most control over.

 

Yeah, well the majority of the SIOUX want their continent back, I don't think that's gonna happen either.

 

10 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

 

I would agree it is not their first priority, and it shouldn't be, but I think the difference is that it does not seem it is a priority at all.  Which is clear based upon the current state of events.

 

 

 

[hdiddy]

1 hour ago, EJAX said:

Well, if that's all there is to it, then you should have no trouble taking your legitimate copy of 3Dsexvilla, slapping your name on it, and telling Team K17 to "Go F......".

 

This is exactly how R9X came to be.  Folks with access to the cracked version went off and did their own thing.  That said...I'm saying clear of this topic here for obvious reasons.

 

1 hour ago, EJAX said:

What you call "drama" is what you don't want spoken. But I never was very good at keeping my mouth shut. And I'm only HERE for the discussion. I've GOT everything else I need, thank you very much! And I DO MEAN Thank You! But YOU DON'T OWN FUCK DIDDLY SQUAT OF IT! So I'm not sympathetic to anyone's complaints that they don't see their name in the credits.

 

What I call drama is drama. People can debate and speak about whatever they want without being extra about it or inflaming the conversation. Your responses inflame the conversation.  Which then leads to a equal or more over the top response back, which lights up the whole thread.  Just look at what you wrote...you have no intention in having a normal debate...that is clear. This is what I mean by instigating drama. That said nobody said anything about dev credits....so why are you jumping onto that conclusion? Did I miss something here?

 

1 hour ago, EJAX said:

Again... IT'S NOT UP TO THEM!

 

You know, for the longest time, I thought it WAS... And it was my own fault for not asking... But I figured Team K17 had something cooked-up with perkovert (or whatever the fuck his name is), and between the lot of them, there existed enough programming knowledge to release some sort of 64 bit patch, sans all of the tech support (you know, the quintessential noobie question: "why does my HOOK keep crashing?".. Well, why is a newbie even running hook in the first place?!?!?). I didn't know THRIXXX had released anything until YOU posted screenshots the other day. Then the discussion immediately turned to "who who has the bigger 3D dick overlay"; and somehow, it became tk17's fault that HOOK was no longer compatible! How the fuck y'all made that leap of logic is beyond me!! And, yeah, I'm just as miffed as you are that tk17 cut-off the discussion. But I'm SURE it's because he didn't want to hear it was HIS fault, anymore than I do!

 

Of course I know it is not up to them. Thats the point.  They made statements like it was up to them. What is being said to folks  is that "Hook will be fully supported." When you make that statement it assumes the dev has either added support themselves or have already made deals with whoever to ensure the support is there. When the question is asked to further clarify the member is dismissed.

 

Ok, sure I can see people assuming that TK17 was a real developer outfit. They are for the most part modders, they just happen to be doing it on the core game. The 64 Bit version has been out since 2018.  I even assumed that most people knew this, which took me for surprise of how many people do not.

 

3D dick overlays and K17's fault? Ok? Ok not sure what you mean here as I am not trying to interpret your over the top responses. No one was blaming K17 for lack of Hook Support. Show me where they were blaming him for Hook Support? People where trying to get more answers from him about what he meant by Hook will be supported.  Answers he as still not given.

 

1 hour ago, EJAX said:

Yeah, well the majority of the SIOUX want their continent back, I don't think that's gonna happen either.

 

I don't think that is an apt comparison but hey.  The reason why I state that is what the community wants is because those are the same statements K17 has continued to use with the KE team regarding I am assuming their preference for 1 single site for the entire community or telling us the overall community complains to them about what we are doing in KE and we should listen to the community.

 

So ok, now the shoe is on the other foot.  What I would have done.  Well first, I never would have said Hook 5 will be supported.  Because as you said it is not fully up to them. I say fully because if they really meant that it would be supported. Pervk would have a copy of the cracked version updating hook for it, while the "Dev" team integrates all the additional features from the 32 bit version into the 64 Bit. All of that requires TK17 making contacting PervK and doing just that.  You never know...maybe they will see this thread and be like "Yeah maybe we should do that," and this back and fourth actually helped in some regard.  Butttt I doubt it.

 

Anyway I still stand by what I said...you do make good points....but your flametastic language very much gets in the way of anyone paying attention to it.  You probably don't care, but my advice is simply chillax on the tone.

[EJAX]

13 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

Anyway I still stand by what I said...you do make good points....but your flametastic language very much gets in the way of anyone paying attention to it.  You probably don't care, but my advice is simply chillax on the tone.

 

I don't expect anyone to pay attention. Like me, they're just here for the free shit.

 

As for Team K17 "not caring"... When I asked them the same question I asked you: "Is hook still going to be compatible?", if they didn't give a crap, I'd expect them to say: "Who cares? That's hdiddy's department. Let him worry about it". But they didn't. They gave me essentially the same answer you did. I'm still waiting to hear from perkovert (the only one with any REAL say in the matter).