[mod] Character Body Overhaul

[Dwjliel]

54 minutes ago, Mange2020 said:

 

I think the reason people seem to like it is that it allows you to see a character's height and weight allowing them to better conceptualize the people in game. Also the events that are available in debug mode allow you to have greater control over the way the people in game look. 

I've also created a genetics system that allows the various values to be inherited, and also results in fewer extreme proportions (it may seem counter intuitive but with CBO I want to increase the max size, and with physical attributes I make that size rarer, but still existing).
<snip>
 

 

See that's some cool ass shit and mightily impressive on a technical level. The mods description still reads

"The only real effect ...  modifiers that effect health and prowess based on your characters physical appearance"

And the mod seems so much more than that! Maybe sell it a bit more in the description?

 

As for WulfN7's 'complaint' is the 3rd time Ive seen it, us noobs arent the brightest... would it be at all possible for the initial game start seed effect to skip none_ai characters? Most people wont care down the line that their daughters bodies "dont match mums" - due to physical attributes kicking in, compared to the character they create at official game start.

 

Thank you for your service!

[nanacat]

Hi, I have not gotten any help. This error comes up in the paradox launcher. I have installed it correctly and have tried all the solutions in the internet I could find. Nothing works. Can this be fixed? I want to be able to play this again. Please Respond.

[Dwjliel]

2 things, my commanders are topless in normal CBO, this likely a conflict thing *definitely* with TAMA's CB - however using Vanilla CBO (VCBO), my commanders are dressed, just thought it was worth noting.  Deleting 05_genes_special_accessories_clothes.txt causes them to be dressed, so its somewhere in there.

 

 

CBO -comparared to VCBO makes some body shapes fatter at the belly.

Below is a GIF normal CBO, and then VCBO and thirdly VCBO - but importantly with breast gene.txt from CBO added. Just that 1 file back in so i have bigger boobs again, stomach is noticeably flatter.

 

 

 

You can also see the male gos topless to dressed  (he is a commander).

Is the 'fatness' just intended "thiccness" if so, cool!  But just putting this out there if there are people out there like me who want boobies bot no so much thiccness.

I'm guessing i'll probably have some issues with my almagamation, but i'll play a bit and report back.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2022 by Dwjliel

[uncle_pockets]

Hi, thank you for your hard work on this mod.

 

Is there a way or a submod to make breasts less plastic-y and more natural? To specify - I mean in terms of shape, not texture.

Edited March 16, 2022 by uncle_pockets

[Grimmdal]

hi im having an issue , not sure if its this mod causing it, but some cultures , especially anglo-saxon females seem to be bald and naked x)

 

i use CBO and CFP with the patch in the right loading order. I dont use EPE

Edited March 17, 2022 by Grimmdal

[Mange2020]

On 3/15/2022 at 9:22 PM, Dwjliel said:

 

See that's some cool ass shit and mightily impressive on a technical level. The mods description still reads

"The only real effect ...  modifiers that effect health and prowess based on your characters physical appearance"

And the mod seems so much more than that! Maybe sell it a bit more in the description?

 

As for WulfN7's 'complaint' is the 3rd time Ive seen it, us noobs arent the brightest... would it be at all possible for the initial game start seed effect to skip none_ai characters? Most people wont care down the line that their daughters bodies "dont match mums" - due to physical attributes kicking in, compared to the character they create at official game start.

 

Thank you for your service!

Yeah, I am admittedly bad at mod descriptions. What I meant by "real effect" is a change to game play as opposed to just character appearance. I always either over explain and people tune it out, or I underexplain. Plus I tend to not update them, the problem is ll sends out updates telling people you updated your mod when you do even if its just a description. I'll try to rework the description on next PA update. I needed a visual age variable to prevent people in their 20's from being attracted to people in their 70's so that required me to add an aging thing. The positives is that I've added a debug event that allows you to decrease the visual age of the characters down to 25 (which is when the oldness genes kick in), but because it's aging I really want to make sure there are no bugs, they can get weird.

Unfortunately I think skipping the non-ai characters would produce a lot of bugs as the game looks for numbers that don't exist. The tact that I have taken is to provide additional resources for people that want to customize their characters. I have the character interactions in debug mode that let you set the looks of any character in game. On the next update they will be easier to use (less clicks). Also if you give your character one of the body traits in the ruler designer the game will restrict the gene seeding to something in the range of that trait.

[Mange2020]

3 hours ago, Grimmdal said:

hi im having an issue , not sure if its this mod causing it, but some cultures , especially anglo-saxon females seem to be bald and naked x)

 

i use CBO and CFP with the patch in the right loading order. I dont use EPE

So the fact it makes characters bald tells me it's not CBO. CBO doesn't touch hair. At least not yet. I have a few new female hairstyles ready for the next update, and I touched up the vanilla hairstyles a little to prevent clipping, but that's not in the current version.

I know paradox itself has a similar error related to certain event. Before the norse dlc last year, some events used the remove_default_outfit tag to make characters naked. In that DLC they reworked hair so now remove_default_outfit makes characters bald, and they never fixed those events. 

[Mange2020]

On 3/16/2022 at 10:37 AM, uncle_pockets said:

Hi, thank you for your hard work on this mod.

 

Is there a way or a submod to make breasts less plastic-y and more natural? To specify - I mean in terms of shape, not texture.

Unfortunately still have no idea what you mean by "plastic-y" shape. Like fake as in too perky? If you look through this thread there are people complaining about tits being too saggy which I would view as the opposite problem lol. There are ten different shapes included in this mod (just as there are in the base game). One of those ten is not meant to be used when naked because its meant to represent tits being held up by clothing. If you are seeing it its the same issue as the "skinny arms and legs" under known issues.

[Skela]

8 minutes ago, Mange2020 said:

Unfortunately still have no idea what you mean by "plastic-y" shape. Like fake as in too perky? If you look through this thread there are people complaining about tits being too saggy which I would view as the opposite problem lol. There are ten different shapes included in this mod (just as there are in the base game). One of those ten is not meant to be used when naked because its meant to represent tits being held up by clothing. If you are seeing it its the same issue as the "skinny arms and legs" under known issues.

Sorry for repeating, but

 

Hello, can Coetus Anima 1.1 work correctly with 1.5.*? I tried the load order from past versions (where everything worked fine), mixed my load order many times, but animations from Coetus Anima are clothed, whereas animations from CBO are naked

[Mange2020]

7 minutes ago, Skela said:

Sorry for repeating, but

 

Hello, can Coetus Anima 1.1 work correctly with 1.5.*? I tried the load order from past versions (where everything worked fine), mixed my load order many times, but animations from Coetus Anima are clothed, whereas animations from CBO are naked

I mentioned it earlier in the thread, updating Coetus anima is my current priority. But it needed to be completely reworked and will take time. Unfortunately I adhd between tasks more than I would like.

[Mange2020]

On 3/16/2022 at 8:44 AM, Dwjliel said:

2 things, my commanders are topless in normal CBO, this likely a conflict thing *definitely* with TAMA's CB - however using Vanilla CBO (VCBO), my commanders are dressed, just thought it was worth noting.  Deleting 05_genes_special_accessories_clothes.txt causes them to be dressed, so its somewhere in there.

 

 

CBO -comparared to VCBO makes some body shapes fatter at the belly.

Below is a GIF normal CBO, and then VCBO and thirdly VCBO - but importantly with breast gene.txt from CBO added. Just that 1 file back in so i have bigger boobs again, stomach is noticeably flatter.

 

 

 

You can also see the male gos topless to dressed  (he is a commander).

Is the 'fatness' just intended "thiccness" if so, cool!  But just putting this out there if there are people out there like me who want boobies bot no so much thiccness.

I'm guessing i'll probably have some issues with my almagamation, but i'll play a bit and report back.

 

 

 

 

That's weird because CBO and CBO Vanilla are identical mods. The only difference is when I upload to ll I place them in different folders and before I zip them I go in and replace the butt size gene with a dummy butt size that does nothing (it needs to exist to prevent errors). I also delete the weight and breast size genes so the game just uses the vanilla versions. Besides that they are the same files.

As to the thickness yes that's on purpose. Vanilla has no changes to butt sizes at all so that's some of it. The larger stomach has to do with the fact I increase how fat characters get. As I said in my previous response I based the values for physical attributes off of a BMI curve. The points I used to determine height and weight etc. were average male and female heights (these worked out pretty perfectly with my measurements 5'8" for males and 5'4" for females match up to the base models. But the game also defines a current_weight of 50 as "obese" and -50 as "malnourished".

For context below are two screens of obese females taken in blender, which is why there's no color palette. The first with vanilla proportions the second with CBO. In my opinion the paradox proportions are too fat in face compared to the body and the bodies aren't really fat enough for what they are meant to represent in game. 

However, paradox also adds a random base weight between 35 and -35 both CBO and CBO vanilla get rid of this which should stabilize people around the average more. I used to balance this more with physical attributes but Paradox changed how they dealt with weight in the royal court update (something about performance) and I haven't had a chance to figure it out.

[Dwjliel]

Wholly and enthusiastically agree! Thanks for replying to everyone btw, it's informative and engaging discussion! Really respect your work.

For anyone wondering 10 hours play with big bobbs copied over from CBO into VCBO has benn 100% stable for me with a more enjoyable female shape no clipping.

 

And deleting 05_genes_special_accessories_clothes.txt has dressed the commanders no issues either.

[devior]

a un problema y es que no me deja instalar los mods de ropa, dice que la extension es muy larga. alguna ayuda? diez diez

[Mange2020]

10 hours ago, devior said:

a un problema y es que no me deja instalar los mods de ropa, dice que la extension es muy larga. alguna ayuda? diez diez

try 7zip, this is a problem with Winzip, some of paradox's extensions are too long.

[Dwjliel]

2 hours ago, aaveboi said:

Hi. Could it be possible for me to modify this mod so that the Beauty trait would not change the appearance of a character?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2601477386

 

i use both together

[devior]

gracias, lo probe y funciono, pero la ropa no queda bien, se ven 4 piernas y la ropa no encaja

 

[devior]

intento poner desnudo y las mujeres salen como rotas

yo

[Grimmdal]

what could cause the animations to be out of place ? ( the characters humping air )

[cosplayking]

Does anybody have experience with the mods I listed and knows which are 100% incompatible? Aside from the mods listed below the others don't "seem" to change anything that could warrant the spiky mess but seemingly it still does.

 

Tried disabling:

EFP

EPE

Fair Lords

Fair Ladies

Physical Attributes

Toggle Big Character Portrait

Big Character Portrait Patch

Asia Expansion

Congenital Beauty

 

Have the CBO CFP Compatibility patch installed and active as well.

 

But either the game refuses to load or gives me bodies that are a spiky mess.

 

Tried to remove all savegames/cache etc as well.

 

 

[Mange2020]

6 hours ago, Grimmdal said:

what could cause the animations to be out of place ? ( the characters humping air )

The event hasn't been scripted with the proper variable

[Mange2020]

50 minutes ago, cosplayking said:

Does anybody have experience with the mods I listed and knows which are 100% incompatible? Aside from the mods listed below the others don't "seem" to change anything that could warrant the spiky mess but seemingly it still does.

 

Tried disabling:

EFP

EPE

Fair Lords

Fair Ladies

Physical Attributes

Toggle Big Character Portrait

Big Character Portrait Patch

Asia Expansion

Congenital Beauty

 

Have the CBO CFP Compatibility patch installed and active as well.

 

But either the game refuses to load or gives me bodies that are a spiky mess.

 

Tried to remove all savegames/cache etc as well.

 

 

Simple slits and shafts are incompatible. "spikey mess" means a mod that is trying to add blendshape models that aren't compatible with mine (shafts and slits) or the installation issue mentioned on the mod page.

[zzxcv1]

How do I trigger the animations?

[cosplayking]

17 hours ago, Mange2020 said:

Simple slits and shafts are incompatible. "spikey mess" means a mod that is trying to add blendshape models that aren't compatible with mine (shafts and slits) or the installation issue mentioned on the mod page.

 

Makes sense, I completely forgot to uncheck those, thanks.

 

Shame Asia Expansion doesn't work with it but makes sense as it changes/adds some clothing. Here's hoping somebody (capable) is able to make a compatibility patch. I wish I knew how to create/change mods but just looking at some code for "simple" mods makes my head spin haha.

[draen]

Mod works fine but i have 2 issues:

 

1.If I change the default outfit of my character, it does not undress in the sex scenes. If I revert to the default outfit randomly selected when I create the character and play the scene, it get's undressed. Is this normal?

 

2. How can i solve the thin arms glitch? I don't understand the solution the author gives in the descrption. If I select the default outfit in barbershop and click the undress button, it shows the correct body. if i change the default outfit, thin arms appear in the nude option

 

Maybe it has been answered in the discusion but I cannot find it.

[TheHentaiGod14]

what is CFP?