toys Toys&Love LE & SE

[VirginMarie]

34 minutes ago, gregaaz said:

 

Answered, though my real answer for #1 is "the quality of the story mods that use the framework, and how well the framework supports those mods' gameplay experience."

 

Good one  It's really a modder's perspective that would not be done justice without a poll meant for mod authors.

 

For "supports mods", I think that becomes things like...

• Does the API give easy access to the things listed in the poll
• Does the API make it easy to add your own toy? You own Toy Box?
• Does the API make it easy to play nice with the mod that shall not be named?
• Does it have cool support API beyond the toys like sounds, expressions, and voice in my head, and even "love" features like denial?

I of course did not list things I can't answer "YES to  

[N.Gamma]

Can we expect an update of the BHUNP bodyslides of the Toys family to version 3 soon?

[VirginMarie]

57 minutes ago, N.Gamma said:

Can we expect an update of the BHUNP bodyslides of the Toys family to version 3 soon?

 

I've not looked into it, to know what that would mean.

Are you saying the new version does not work with the current Toys BHUNP Bodyslide package? I don't think you are saying that. It still works right?

 

So what would need to change? What's the benefit? Does it make the quality 2 percent better, at the cost of the file sizes even more ridiculously large?

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by VirginMarie

[N.Gamma]

44 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

I've not looked into it, to know what that would mean.

Are you saying the new version does not work with the current Toys BHUNP Bodyslide package? I don't think you are saying that. It still works right?

 

So what would need to change? What's the benefit? Does it make the quality 2 percent better, at the cost of the file sizes even more ridiculously large?

 

With the BHUNP update v3 some new slides have been added.

With me, the body now clips through some of the devices, especially in the area of the chest and hips!

And nipple piercings no longer sit in the right place.

 

 

With BHUNP 2 body all this fits.

[VirginMarie]

4 hours ago, N.Gamma said:

With the BHUNP update v3 some new slides have been added.

With me, the body now clips through some of the devices, especially in the area of the chest and hips!

And nipple piercings no longer sit in the right place.

 

With BHUNP 2 body all this fits.

 

I will look into it, and try it out myself.

Edited February 3, 2022 by VirginMarie

[VirginMarie]

4 hours ago, N.Gamma said:

With me, the body now clips through some of the devices, especially in the area of the chest and hips!

And nipple piercings no longer sit in the right place.

 

This was my test...

• Installed latest BHUNP. Is already up to v3.03 so that's what I used
• Built my preset using BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 3 Body
• Batch built all toys using existing, currently available bodyslide packages for each mod we have

Note that I did not touch anything in Outfit Studio. This is using what we have available as is.

I did not try other presets and various extreme bodies. My preset is custom preset.

 

So far in game, I can't find anything looking wrong. Here's some examples...

 

    

 

If you are sure there is a problem, tell me exactly what you did so I can try to recreate it please. Will need to know which preset, and if you did anything outside of my steps. 

[crococat]

 

1 hour ago, VirginMarie said:

This was my test...

As for me all is ok with BHUNP 3. Just wondering about HIP FORWARD slider. Some outfits fit it well, but some dont support. In Toys have problem with plugs only supporting this slider. Is it resolvable or plugs are not adjustable?

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[VirginMarie]

3 minutes ago, crococat said:

As for me all is ok with BHUNP 3.

 

Just wondering about HIP FORWARD slider. Some outfits fit it well, but some dont support. In Toys have problem with plugs only supporting this slider. Is it resolvable or plugs are not adjustable?

 

hehe interesting. Thanks for testing this out.

 

Currently we don't have any anal plugs being built in Bodyslide because it has not been required. But that does not mean we can't do them in Bodyslide. Its lots of work because we have LOTS of plugs. Until we do that, looks like you'd have to stay away from that slider.

 

I would wonder if this is the same problem for vaginal plugs, or the Workout Plugs which is a combo of both vaginal and anal with a animated tail. Did you see?

[N.Gamma]

8 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

This was my test...

• Installed latest BHUNP. Is already up to v3.03 so that's what I used
• Built my preset using BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 3 Body
• Batch built all toys using existing, currently available bodyslide packages for each mod we have

Note that I did not touch anything in Outfit Studio. This is using what we have available as is.

I did not try other presets and various extreme bodies. My preset is custom preset.

 

So far in game, I can't find anything looking wrong. Here's some examples...

 

    

 

If you are sure there is a problem, tell me exactly what you did so I can try to recreate it please. Will need to know which preset, and if you did anything outside of my steps. 

 

Strange,
I use the Diamond Body BHUNP from Nexus.
I had the toys all built with this body when I still had BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 2 installed.
Now I just re-bid my body preset with BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 3 and the result can be seen on my pictures.

[VirginMarie]

9 hours ago, N.Gamma said:

 

Strange,
I use the Diamond Body BHUNP from Nexus.
I had the toys all built with this body when I still had BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 2 installed.
Now I just re-bid my body preset with BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 3 and the result can be seen on my pictures.

 

I downloaded Diamond Body BHUNP (Bodyslide Preset) at Skyrim Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)

Built using the Diamond preset with BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 3 

Built the toys with BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 3 

 

Here's in game result with 20 weight, then 100 weight.

 

  

 

I like this preset!

 

Seems something on your end is not right. Could it be...

• missing one of the above steps? i.e. Build Preset AND build toys
• got wrong version of something? Some of the supporting mods for BHUNP has been updated recently too
  • a month ago, I updated CBPC - Physics with Collisions for SSE and VR at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com) and it screwed things for me. I was not in the mood to sort that out so I reverted and have not revisited. But the problem it made for me was physics, not toy's fitting
• You sure you have nothing in slot 32? If 32 (main body armor) is equipped with something that is not built for the body/preset, it will change your body. Could even be a physics thing put in 32

[Clea Strange]

BHUNP is my new favorite body, so all unp armor etc will work with it?

 

sorry for little derail. I have been using this mod and I quite like it

[gregaaz]

10 minutes ago, Hiderius said:

BHUNP is my new favorite body, so all unp armor etc will work with it?

 

sorry for little derail. I have been using this mod and I quite like it

 

It's great, isn't it? My experience has been that other than extremely minor variations sometimes, UUNP bodyslide presets work fine with BHUNP, including LE UUNP (though of course you need to convert the meshes to SSE format), which opens the door for a lot of stuff that's only been formally released for CBBE in SSE format.

 

I'm really happy with the variety of presets it has too; OBody standalone has added so much variety to my game world. I've found its generally pretty easy to work with for doing DIY conversions, too, and since I kind of such at actual computer art, the more gently it plays the better the results I get.

Edited February 3, 2022 by gregaaz

[VirginMarie]

10 minutes ago, Hiderius said:

BHUNP is my new favorite body, so all unp armor etc will work with it?

 

sorry for little derail. I have been using this mod and I quite like it

 

That would be a question for the authors of BHUNP and authors making unp armor. I'm sure there are many cases where older things will NOT work.

 

The toys in Toys, and content mods for Toys that have BHUNHP bodyslide, support it.

[N.Gamma]

1 hour ago, VirginMarie said:

 

I downloaded Diamond Body BHUNP (Bodyslide Preset) at Skyrim Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)

Built using the Diamond preset with BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 3 

Built the toys with BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 3 

 

Here's in game result with 20 weight, then 100 weight.

 

  

 

I like this preset!

 

Seems something on your end is not right. Could it be...

• missing one of the above steps? i.e. Build Preset AND build toys
• got wrong version of something? Some of the supporting mods for BHUNP has been updated recently too
  • a month ago, I updated CBPC - Physics with Collisions for SSE and VR at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com) and it screwed things for me. I was not in the mood to sort that out so I reverted and have not revisited. But the problem it made for me was physics, not toy's fitting
• You sure you have nothing in slot 32? If 32 (main body armor) is equipped with something that is not built for the body/preset, it will change your body. Could even be a physics thing put in 32

 

Thank you for trying to help me.
But unfortunately I do not know where my problem comes from!

I have installed the latest BHUNP version 3.03, and the latest verions all the required mods.

I built the Diamond preset with BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 3, and I built Tosy, Classic Tosy and Hot and Wet with the Diamond preset again.

And I have nothing else equipped in slot 32!

 

[gregaaz]

1 minute ago, N.Gamma said:

 

Thank you for trying to help me.
But unfortunately I do not know where my problem comes from!

I have installed the latest BHUNP version 3.03, and the latest verions all the required mods.

I built the Diamond preset with BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 3, and I built Tosy, Classic Tosy and Hot and Wet with the Diamond preset again.

And I have nothing else equipped in slot 32!

 

 

This is probably a dumb question, but is your naked body built with the same preset and/or customizations as you used for the toys? If you don't have anything in slot 32, then your race's nakedbody ARMA will define the body that gets shown. Perhaps the toys are in the right positions and it's the character's body that's out of alignment? 

[N.Gamma]

5 minutes ago, gregaaz said:

This is probably a dumb question, but is your naked body built with the same preset and/or customizations as you used for the toys? If you don't have anything in slot 32, then your race's nakedbody ARMA will define the body that gets shown. Perhaps the toys are in the right positions and it's the character's body that's out of alignment? 

Everything has been built with the same preset and the same customizations.

But I don't really understand the ARMA thing.

As I said, with the last version of BHUNP Advaced 2 I did not have this problem.

[gregaaz]

Just now, N.Gamma said:

Everything has been built with the same preset and the same customizations.

But I don't really understand the ARMA thing.

As I said, with the last version of BHUNP Advaced 2 I did not have this problem.

 

The ARMA is the record that tells the game which .nif file to display, among other things. However, based on what you said that doesn't sound like the problem. 

[VirginMarie]

1 hour ago, N.Gamma said:

Thank you for trying to help me.
But unfortunately I do not know where my problem comes from!

I have installed the latest BHUNP version 3.03, and the latest verions all the required mods.

I built the Diamond preset with BHUNP 3BBB Advanced Ver 3, and I built Tosy, Classic Tosy and Hot and Wet with the Diamond preset again.

And I have nothing else equipped in slot 32!

 

Only thing left on my list is this possibility... what you think you've is installed, and what is really there, is not the same

 

In other words, your mod manager could be deceiving you. For example if the mod manager is Vortex... it gets it buggered up sometimes leaving wrong files there. But if you use its Purge feature, then redeploy, the mystery goes away. This has helped many people before. I don't know if the equivalent feature is in MO2.

[gregaaz]

26 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

 

Only thing left on my list is this possibility... what you think you've is installed, and what is really there, is not the same

 

In other words, your mod manager could be deceiving you. For example if the mod manager is Vortex... it gets it buggered up sometimes leaving wrong files there. But if you use its Purge feature, then redeploy, the mystery goes away. This has helped many people before. I don't know if the equivalent feature is in MO2.

 

In MO2, you can go to the information screen for your bodyslide output folder and see if any mods are conflicting the femalebody nif or the Toys nifs. If your output folder is losing a conflict, then you can change the mods' relative priorities to make sure your bodyslide (or any other asset) wins.

 

 

The only catch is that sometimes bodyslide will overwrite an existing version of the nif you're creating instead of putting it in the override folder for you to drag to your bodyslide output folder. If that happens, you might need to look somewhere else (and possibly unexpected) for the nifs. 

 

But TL;DR -- yes, MO2 has a feature to identify which mod is providing an asset and to change it if neccessary. Since MO2 purges every time you close Skyrim and redeploys every time you launch it though, you won't get issues with unwanted files getting "stuck" in a deployed state.

[cerebus300]

I have been playing with Toys for a couple of months now after avoiding it because I was afraid it was going to be bug central on my games. I was wrong. This is a pretty sleek set of mods that work well. It will be nice when more of my other mods have it integrated (Followers, Survival, Lola, SLUTS). I like the design of many of the toys. Chastity belts have some designs that are much sleeker than the clunky ones in DD. I think the Curio sets in particular. I also like the quickness of removal and not being so cumbersome overall, that DD often is. 

 

My one complaint, and it was the reason that I uninstalled it was the OVERSEXED feature. I tend to have my characters arousal high most of the time and it made the game almost unplayable. I couldn't walk for more than a minute without the stupid oversexed effect hitting me. It just brings the character almost to a stop. So, forget running away from anything because it was guaranteed to hit and stop me in my tracks, not mention just being seriously annoying. The one thing that can't stand with any of these things are debuffs or effects that make the game awkward and frustrating for me to play. One of the main things that I HATE is anything that slows my character down. There is nothing fun about that. I hated every single thing in DD and Cursed Loot that dropped my characters speed to a crawl. Now, here it is in Toys. I found the section in the menu that dealt with it, but there was no way to modify it or to stop it altogether. Until that is fixed in the Toys system, I will keep it uninstalled. Please give us options to control these things as we want. No one plays these fetish mods in the same way and we like different things. Give us those options. I remember someone on a forum talking about how he loved when his character was wrapped up in hobble dresses and had to shuffle her way across Skyrim. Now, I just don't get that. That is a nightmare to me, and would have me either cheating or pulling the mod that was doing that. 

 

Anyway, you get the point. I love this set of mods, but please make an adjustment here and with other functions that are lacking settings to give us options to modify our experience.

Edited February 3, 2022 by cerebus300

[VirginMarie]

3 hours ago, cerebus300 said:

I have been playing with Toys for a couple of months now after avoiding it because I was afraid it was going to be bug central on my games. I was wrong. This is a pretty sleek set of mods that work well. It will be nice when more of my other mods have it integrated (Followers, Survival, Lola, SLUTS). I like the design of many of the toys. Chastity belts have some designs that are much sleeker than the clunky ones in DD. I think the Curio sets in particular. I also like the quickness of removal and not being so cumbersome overall, that DD often is. 

 

My one complaint, and it was the reason that I uninstalled it was the OVERSEXED feature. I tend to have my characters arousal high most of the time and it made the game almost unplayable. I couldn't walk for more than a minute without the stupid oversexed effect hitting me. It just brings the character almost to a stop. So, forget running away from anything because it was guaranteed to hit and stop me in my tracks, not mention just being seriously annoying. The one thing that can't stand with any of these things are debuffs or effects that make the game awkward and frustrating for me to play. One of the main things that I HATE is anything that slows my character down. There is nothing fun about that. I hated every single thing in DD and Cursed Loot that dropped my characters speed to a crawl. Now, here it is in Toys. I found the section in the menu that dealt with it, but there was no way to modify it or to stop it altogether. Until that is fixed in the Toys system, I will keep it uninstalled. Please give us options to control these things as we want. No one plays these fetish mods in the same way and we like different things. Give us those options. I remember someone on a forum talking about how he loved when his character was wrapped up in hobble dresses and had to shuffle her way across Skyrim. Now, I just don't get that. That is a nightmare to me, and would have me either cheating or pulling the mod that was doing that. 

 

Anyway, you get the point. I love this set of mods, but please make an adjustment here and with other functions that are lacking settings to give us options to modify our experience.

 

Oversexed Does These things:

1. Balance: As oversexed gets closer to max, chance of Fondle or Denial success is lower. At max, you can't Fondle or Deny
   • Without oversexed, there would be no challenge to keep Rousing up. Less challenge to get it up when you need it. If you use HoT&WeT this is a big deal, because mis-managed Rousing means you freeze to death, but there's many other reasons to keep Rousing high, thus reasons to not make that a free pass
   • Examples: Wojtek (in Toy Story), the dancing bear, needs Rousing above 50 to summon him in combat. Love Shout does more harm, the greater your Rousing is. Some buffs are beneficial with higher Rousing. Some toys can't be escaped from till Rousing goes up
2. Visual & Sound Effects: When oversexed is maxed, you get the visual red explosion, or non-explosion effect. The Rousing bar also changes color when you are approaching Oversexed, or at the max
3. Slow Effect: When you get the effects, you also get the slow effect which is a random period of between 3 and 12 seconds. This is also only when Oversexed is maxed
   • This can be cancelled out by pressing Toys Advance hotkey (space by default). The same hotkey that lets you end any scene early

Do you dislike 1 and 2? Or is it just 3?

• #1 is needed. Thus we can't just turn off oversexed. We'd be killing balance
  • If you want to adjust the max, you can increase the max.... up much higher... MCM - Rousing & Denial Tab - Oversexed Max
• #2 is somewhat needed, because you need a cue to know you are oversexed
  • If this is annoying, you can turn it down / remove the explosion. MCM - Misc Tab - Visual Effect Strength Chance. If set to 0, you will never seen the strong explosion, only the subtle little visual
• #3 is not needed. It does make it more meaningful though. There could be a slider added in MCM, that changes the duration, maybe even zero it, and we are not losing #1 that is needed

So then the last question here is... are you not liking it because its happening too much? Maybe you are ending up stuck in oversexed maxed out or close to it for long periods? So why? Voluntarily Fondling yourself too much? Denying too much? Or is it that you are just "involuntarily" fondling too much... that can be adjusted in MCM... 3 of the settings for Fondle Thyself all impact this. Those are the only things that increase Oversexed (until next release). 

 

If you'd like to help me out... do a test... try raising Oversexed max, and decreasing the chance of fondle in your MCM. Use the Advance hotkey to skip it when needed. Then the question becomes, is the Slow still unbearable when its much less frequent, or does the fun come back?

 

In the meantime, I will add to my list, to put an "Oversexed Slow Duration Slider" into the MCM. Just gotta decide if this should zero out entirely. Your feedback matters for me to decide here.

 

I'm glad you brought this up since next release (which is very soon), has a new Pulsating Effect. It too contributes to oversexed, and even without oversexed, is does the short little spurts of "Slow" too. So I'm going to put a Slow Duration slider on it before I release. I have not thought of it without your post.

 

 

So that covers Oversexed. What else is lacking settings to give you options to modify the experience? I mean there are loads of settings that do that. Usually where it's not been done there is a reason, but not always. I just may have never come up.

Edited February 4, 2022 by VirginMarie
Added the underlined bits about the hotkey

[N.Gamma]

11 hours ago, gregaaz said:

The only catch is that sometimes bodyslide will overwrite an existing version of the nif you're creating instead of putting it in the override folder for you to drag to your bodyslide output folder. If that happens, you might need to look somewhere else (and possibly unexpected) for the nifs. 

I have checked if the body meshes are build in the MO2 Overwrite folder when they are created or elsewhere, and they are created in the Overwrite and not overwritten by anything else. What I have also tried is to deactivate BHUNP 3 and reactivate the old BHUNP 2 that I still have installed. With BHUNP2 all Toys sit, even without a new building of the Toys, correctly in their place!

[cerebus300]

13 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

Do you dislike 1 and 2? Or is it just 3?

• #1 is needed. Thus we can't just turn off oversexed. We'd be killing balance
  • If you want to adjust the max, you can increase the max.... up much higher... MCM - Rousing & Denial Tab - Oversexed Max
• #2 is somewhat needed, because you need a cue to know you are oversexed
  • If this is annoying, you can turn it down / remove the explosion. MCM - Misc Tab - Visual Effect Strength Chance. If set to 0, you will never seen the strong explosion, only the subtle little visual
• #3 is not needed. It does make it more meaningful though. There could be a slider added in MCM, that changes the duration, maybe even zero it, and we are not losing #1 that is needed

So then the last question here is... are you not liking it because its happening too much? Maybe you are ending up stuck in oversexed maxed out or close to it for long periods? So why? Voluntarily Fondling yourself too much? Denying too much? Or is it that you are just "involuntarily" fondling too much... that can be adjusted in MCM... 3 of the settings for Fondle Thyself all impact this. Those are the only things that increase Oversexed (until next release). 

 

If you'd like to help me out... do a test... try raising Oversexed max, and decreasing the chance of fondle in your MCM. Use the Advance hotkey to skip it when needed. Then the question becomes, is the Slow still unbearable when its much less frequent, or does the fun come back?

 

In the meantime, I will add to my list, to put an "Oversexed Slow Duration Slider" into the MCM. Just gotta decide if this should zero out entirely. Your feedback matters for me to decide here.

 

Hey, thanks so much for the quick response. For me, these mods (Toys, DD, DCL) are mostly aesthetic. I love the look of the character, but I also like the locked in element to it as well and that it can she needs to search for/manage keys to get herself out. I'm mixed in terms of the buff/debuff stuff. I'm fine having to deal with some of the problems that they throw on her and even having her helpless for a while, but that has to be within reasonable moderation so that I can actually play. I don't have a problem with #1 or #2. I don't really manage the arousal much, so I can play around with some of those settings, but I do like the denial aspect (not the action within the mod, I don't think that I've ever played with it) but the concept of having the character being unable to orgasm.

 

My problem is almost totally with #3. I absolutely hate it. I've hated slowdown effects in every iteration of these kinds of mods. Luckily DD and DCL have finally given us options to pretty much eliminate those effects, like hobble skirts, ankle chains, prisoner chains, etc. I even use a cheat to max out my carrying capacity so I don't get the slowdown effect with overburden. I don't usually have a problem with this, but so many bondage mods throw that fun effect/debuff in for almost any reason, and then is shifts around constantly because of arousal or whatever. This allows me to ignore that effect. So, yeah making me constantly wait to move my character through the game is incredibly boring for me, and gets me to remove mods if I can't find a workaround. I get the concept and reason, but it clashes with the experience of playing a game as a game, meaning not fun at all. I had the same reaction to DDs blindfold effects. Get the premise, but miserable to try to play with as a game. 

 

So, my request would be to have the option to set the MCM slider to 0 and eliminate the effect altogether. I mean, if it isn't necessary for how the mod works, then give us the option. Some will choose to keep it and some, like me, will turn that sucker off entirely, so that I can continue to run around Skyrim in chains and armbinders. ?

 

EDIT: and just to add, the visual effect of #2 can get pretty annoying if it is going off all the time. It would be nice to be able to turn that off as well.

 

 

Edited February 4, 2022 by cerebus300

[crococat]

On 2/3/2022 at 4:57 AM, VirginMarie said:

I would wonder if this is the same problem for vaginal plugs, or the Workout Plugs which is a combo of both vaginal and anal with a animated tail. Did you see?

Yes, both plugs stand still in original position and dont respond to HipForvard. But vaginal plug is less boring as it is not flying out of body.

[VirginMarie]

3 hours ago, cerebus300 said:

 

Hey, thanks so much for the quick response. For me, these mods (Toys, DD, DCL) are mostly aesthetic. I love the look of the character, but I also like the locked in element to it as well and that it can she needs to search for/manage keys to get herself out. I'm mixed in terms of the buff/debuff stuff. I'm fine having to deal with some of the problems that they throw on her and even having her helpless for a while, but that has to be within reasonable moderation so that I can actually play. I don't have a problem with #1 or #2. I don't really manage the arousal much, so I can play around with some of those settings, but I do like the denial aspect (not the action within the mod, I don't think that I've ever played with it) but the concept of having the character being unable to orgasm.

 

My problem is almost totally with #3. I absolutely hate it. I've hated slowdown effects in every iteration of these kinds of mods. Luckily DD and DCL have finally given us options to pretty much eliminate those effects, like hobble skirts, ankle chains, prisoner chains, etc. I even use a cheat to max out my carrying capacity so I don't get the slowdown effect with overburden. I don't usually have a problem with this, but so many bondage mods throw that fun effect/debuff in for almost any reason, and then is shifts around constantly because of arousal or whatever. This allows me to ignore that effect. So, yeah making me constantly wait to move my character through the game is incredibly boring for me, and gets me to remove mods if I can't find a workaround. I get the concept and reason, but it clashes with the experience of playing a game as a game, meaning not fun at all. I had the same reaction to DDs blindfold effects. Get the premise, but miserable to try to play with as a game. 

 

So, my request would be to have the option to set the MCM slider to 0 and eliminate the effect altogether. I mean, if it isn't necessary for how the mod works, then give us the option. Some will choose to keep it and some, like me, will turn that sucker off entirely, so that I can continue to run around Skyrim in chains and armbinders. ?

 

EDIT: and just to add, the visual effect of #2 can get pretty annoying if it is going off all the time. It would be nice to be able to turn that off as well.

 

 

 

I suggested this..

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If you'd like to help me out... do a test... try raising Oversexed max, and decreasing the chance of fondle in your MCM. Use the Advance hotkey to skip it when needed. Then the question becomes, is the Slow still unbearable when its much less frequent, or does the fun come back?

 

I believe this would give you what you want. Zero out chance of fondle.

Your off switch is already there. For the visual, you can turn that down too. I gave you the info.

 

Only fondle and denial increase Oversexed. Thus if you don't use those features, the only thing that CAN increase oversexed is the involuntary Fondle. You can already zero that. Thus you can set it so you never get oversexed.

 

 

The next release has this.... (read the highlight tool tip thingie ) 

 

 

I did this because it makes it easy for those who have not yet learned about denial/fondle/oversexed and how they all work together. What it also does it takes out slow, for ALL cases of it in Effects.