BHUNP or CBBE 3BBB

[misterveryhard]

Which one do you guys prefer and why, go into detail on what made you use either one.

[osculim]

I tried both I'm sticking to cbbe 3BA for the moment. Simple reason is support for clothing. BHUNP Is catching up tho so I might revisit it again sometime.

[zer02]

BHUNP - 16K textures (max) ,little clothing and armor,body sliders is sparse, jumbled, and incomprehensible
3BA - 8k (max),there are important and necessary body sliders, sorted.

[misterveryhard]

12 hours ago, osculim said:

I tried both I'm sticking to cbbe 3BA for the moment. Simple reason is support for clothing. BHUNP Is catching up tho so I might revisit it again sometime.

 

5 hours ago, zer02 said:

BHUNP - 16K textures (max) ,little clothing and armor,body sliders is sparse, jumbled, and incomprehensible
3BA - 8k (max),there are important and necessary body sliders, sorted.

so everyone agrees that 3ba is better because of compatibility? and zer02 said its double the resolution, does that matter? i don't think i will be able to notice it on a 1080p monitor :s

[Fyourcouch]

ive been using cbbe 3bbb no complaints from its setup. I recently found wabbajack vr modlist, so thinking about making a build with bhunp. From what i gather bhunp is fully compatable with all unp things while using 3bbb body. which to me, seems like a good combo.

[sabytango]

So for mods in LL CBBE is better over all for bodies and cloth?

Why was i told that LL prefer UNP?

[Fyourcouch]

i think unp was restricted support from the main mod site, so bhunp was made from scratch to be supported there by another modder. so UNP probably found a home here out of necessity or dictation. CBBE 3bbb is supported on both sites, and now bhunp allows unp support too on both. Correct me if im wrong, but thats my understanding...both use bodyslide, so its kind of arbitrary.

[HalcyonAndOn]

3 hours ago, Fyourcouch said:

i think unp was restricted support from the main mod site, so bhunp was made from scratch to be supported there by another modder. so UNP probably found a home here out of necessity or dictation. CBBE 3bbb is supported on both sites, and now bhunp allows unp support too on both. Correct me if im wrong, but thats my understanding...both use bodyslide, so its kind of arbitrary.

BHUNP was directly built off of UUNP, check FC's descriptions for the mod. He also has a great set of small guides to get people started on converting other armors with specific body types, to BHUNP. The OP's question is kind of irrelevant, it's up to taste, period. Sure somewhat on the armor conversions that are out there (even that is really just personal taste), but if you plan to stick with one body preset (or just port things to a zeroed slider set and build your PC's body in RaceMenu), it's not very hard to do conversions yourself, in my opinion anyway.

[misterveryhard]

25 minutes ago, HalcyonAndOn said:

BHUNP was directly built off of UUNP, check FC's descriptions for the mod. He also has a great set of small guides to get people started on converting other armors with specific body types, to BHUNP. The OP's question is kind of irrelevant, it's up to taste, period. Sure somewhat on the armor conversions that are out there (even that is really just personal taste), but if you plan to stick with one body preset (or just port things to a zeroed slider set and build your PC's body in RaceMenu), it's not very hard to do conversions yourself, in my opinion anyway.

a lot of people say that is up to taste but i don't get what the differences are, for example you can make the same body on both right? so how can you prefer one over the other, the psychics are the same as well as far as i know, that's why i wanted to hear some in depth explanation on people's opinion, to understand what are the differences

[osculim]

4 hours ago, misterveryhard said:

a lot of people say that is up to taste but i don't get what the differences are, for example you can make the same body on both right? so how can you prefer one over the other, the psychics are the same as well as far as i know, that's why i wanted to hear some in depth explanation on people's opinion, to understand what are the differences

For me its simple. I don't have the time to convert armors. So I use CBBE There are just more for it for the moment. Like I said previously UNPHB is catching up and I will give it a go when I can find every single armor I use in my game in that format. There is no other reason.

[GrimReaper]

7 hours ago, misterveryhard said:

a lot of people say that is up to taste but i don't get what the differences are, for example you can make the same body on both right? so how can you prefer one over the other, the psychics are the same as well as far as i know, that's why i wanted to hear some in depth explanation on people's opinion, to understand what are the differences

There's some differences in the base shape you can't quite replicate with sliders alone. For example, I personally like CBBE's butt but prefer BHUNP everything else. No matter how hard you tweak BHUNP with sliders, you won't quite get that juicy CBBE butt. On the other hand, BHUNP has a lot more options in general due to the overwhelming amount of sliders that replicate pretty much an body that was ever based off of UNP, ever.

[zenonthez07]

I spent a good amount of time trying to figure this out as well and I eventually chose BHUNP and here's why. UNP based bodies and textures were the most popular bodies on Oldrim and still are which means little to no conversion work if you want to use those meshes on SE. Just pop the old UUNP bodyslide files into the NIF optimizer and you have a full set of outfits without spending a bunch of time in Outfit Studio. BHUNP's sliders are virtually identical to Oldrim UUNPs and BHUNP can use UUNP hands and feet and vice versa eliminating the need to replace the bodies inside the converted outfits.

 

Unless you're obsessed with 3BBB physics on every outfit then you'll probably be disappointed by the few conversions that actually do use the BHUNP body. So while there don't look to be a lot of conversions to BHUNP that's just because it isn't entirely necessary because all the old UUNP outfits work fine which is a major advantage over CBBE SE which isn't at all interchangeable with Oldrim CBBE due to slider and base morph changes. As a nude body replacer, BHUNP has a lot of advantages that just aren't advertised very well which is why most people are confused about why it exists when CBBE 3BBB offers the same advanced body physics.

[tchladny]

Hi. I root for BHUNP. It has supperior SMP but inferior CBPC. It was pointed out that CBBE 3BBB has more armors, but that is not exactly correct. BHUNP have a lot of armors, but almost all of them are "personal releases" outside of nexus. You need to dig though a few Patreons and Discords to find them, but they are definitelly worth it. (Rektas is the most active converter out there). My personal dislike for CBBE roots in strange body proportions (Arm/Body ratio), but that is just a matter of taste. 

I was considering CBBE 3BBB only because of bodysliders for default (adjusted default) armors. UNP family does not have these default armors in bodysliders, espesially for this mod: TMB Vanilla Armors and Clothes SSE. It has great skins, but no sliders. However this is nice replacement for that: Girl's Heavy Armors - BHUNP BodySlide Conversion

 

[misterveryhard]

1 hour ago, tchladny said:

Hi. I root for BHUNP. It has supperior SMP but inferior CBPC. It was pointed out that CBBE 3BBB has more armors, but that is not exactly correct. BHUNP have a lot of armors, but almost all of them are "personal releases" outside of nexus. You need to dig though a few Patreons and Discords to find them, but they are definitelly worth it. (Rektas is the most active converter out there). My personal dislike for CBBE roots in strange body proportions (Arm/Body ratio), but that is just a matter of taste. 

I was considering CBBE 3BBB only because of bodysliders for default (adjusted default) armors. UNP family does not have these default armors in bodysliders, espesially for this mod: TMB Vanilla Armors and Clothes SSE. It has great skins, but no sliders. However this is nice replacement for that: Girl's Heavy Armors - BHUNP BodySlide Conversion

 

How would i go about converting vanilla armors to BHUNP?

[zenonthez07]

2 hours ago, misterveryhard said:

How would i go about converting vanilla armors to BHUNP?

Shiva's UUNP vanilla conversions are a good place to start if you just need vanilla outfits to fit your bodyslide. Here's the link - https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/10980. If you're really gung-ho about swapping the body to BHUNP then it should be easy enough to replace the reference body and copy the weights on to the original outfit. If you need more help a conversion manual exists on the BHUNP page under the downloads section.

[misterveryhard]

28 minutes ago, zenonthez07 said:

Shiva's UUNP vanilla conversions are a good place to start if you just need vanilla outfits to fit your bodyslide. Here's the link - https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/10980. If you're really gung-ho about swapping the body to BHUNP then it should be easy enough to replace the reference body and copy the weights on to the original outfit. If you need more help a conversion manual exists on the BHUNP page under the downloads section.

if i really choose bhunp im going all in i think, gonna convert everything i want and be happy  :s is even harder to decide which one im going now because i dont care about the compatibility thing

[zenonthez07]

2 hours ago, misterveryhard said:

if i really choose bhunp im going all in i think, gonna convert everything i want and be happy  :s is even harder to decide which one im going now because i dont care about the compatibility thing

In that case, I'd say go with CBBE 3BBB as it has less sliders overall with less extreme morphs making converting less of a hassle. It's existing conversions are also easily accessible saving you a lot of time and effort.

 

Ultimately, if you still can't decide you may just have to download both and play around with the sliders until you make a body you're happy with. Sometimes you just have to find out from your own experience.

[zer02]

On 12/27/2020 at 7:15 PM, misterveryhard said:

 

so everyone agrees that 3ba is better because of compatibility? and zer02 said its double the resolution, does that matter? i don't think i will be able to notice it on a 1080p monitor :s

8k 

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16k
 

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I think even those who use 720p will notice the same.
the texture difference is not noticeable between 2k and 4k

[FauxFurry]

I prefer BHUNP mostly because of the relative ease of converting UNP armors to BHUNP (since I was already using UNP then UUNP before BHUNP).

[nawkeas]

meanwhile I am forever wishing that more people cared for TBD

[rb888]

BHUNP For me because easy with smaller breast then CBBE!

[Kristus Kringle]

4 hours ago, rb888 said:

BHUNP For me because easy with smaller breast then CBBE!

That's the only point I've read that is an actual advantage. CBBE is great for workout girls, porn stars and juggy mom bods, but good petite/thin/average bodies are a lot of work. I always liked the base UNP shape more than CBBE but the only reason for me to switch to BHUNP would be if the bodies are easier to design and from what I've read, they're not. 

[Lyyli]

I range from meh-to-dislike on BHUNP and CBBE default shapes (and like 99% of custom shapes) so I made my own and I found the CBBE sliders easier to work with, as they're actually broken up into categories. If you like the default shapes or one of the many many custom bodies on Nexus, then this isn't a concern.

 

The "it's easier to make smaller breasts" is weird tho? I've heard that sentiment a lot, but it didn't seem any different to me? Maybe it's easier to find skins without baked on shadows or without heavily shaped normalmaps? Those were definitely annoying to track down for CBBE.

 

[Kristus Kringle]

9 hours ago, Lyyli said:

I range from meh-to-dislike on BHUNP and CBBE default shapes (and like 99% of custom shapes) so I made my own and I found the CBBE sliders easier to work with, as they're actually broken up into categories. If you like the default shapes or one of the many many custom bodies on Nexus, then this isn't a concern.

 

The "it's easier to make smaller breasts" is weird tho? I've heard that sentiment a lot, but it didn't seem any different to me? Maybe it's easier to find skins without baked on shadows or without heavily shaped normalmaps? Those were definitely annoying to track down for CBBE.

 

Because the base cbbe is more California girl shaped, broad shoulders, broad chest (not boobs), so it's harder to make a petite female. I grew up in the East and when I went to San Diego was shocked at how 'beefy' the girls were out there, they are a lot broader than women I'm used to. 

[Lyyli]

1 hour ago, Duncan Idaho said:

Because the base cbbe is more California girl shaped, broad shoulders

By "base" you mean, 0-sliders?