Sexout Sound Replacer

[zippy57]

Good idea. Don't do it yet though, get the basic framework done first. Otherwise you spend more time working on all these fancy new features and never actually do anything. Speaking from experience, here.

[saladboy21]

I'd rather have just sounds. If we get that implemented then maybe a music plugin but lets get sounds out first then plan bigger things.

 

As much as I would love to "force" more modders to use Lust (Because I think it will, long run, allow them to make better mods when they can control when certain things happen with arousal, with Breeder especially benefiting but Mavia could probably use it for "teasing" with a mod)  I think it would be better if the final plugin had it as an option.  If it is already built in the tester I am cool with this

[t3589]

10-4 on that. lol.  It's tempting as hell not to write a mod that goes WAY beyond sound support.  Disposition/stats adjustments, perks, arrousal based on player sexuality, etc...

[zippy57]

As much as I would love to "force" more modders to use Lust (Because I think it will, long run, allow them to make better mods when they can control when certain things happen with arousal, with Breeder especially benefiting but Mavia could probably use it for "teasing" with a mod)  I think it would be better if the final plugin had it as an option.

It would be optional by virtue of the setup. If the modder wanted to include different sounds for different stages, they could. If they didn't, they'd just copy the sounds from one stage into the others.

[saladboy21]

Fair enough

 

And yes, trust Zippy on getting stuff out. The reason I seem impatient (aside from, well, being impatient) is I have seen a number of people talk about awesome mods (or games, on other boards) they are doing then disappear, or have their computer crash and lose everything, or decide abruptly they don't like it. Getting it out there means people have it if something goes wrong or you become a moonie or something.

[t3589]

Fair enough

 

And yes, trust Zippy on getting stuff out. The reason I seem impatient (aside from, well, being impatient) is I have seen a number of people talk about awesome mods (or games, on other boards) they are doing then disappear, or have their computer crash and lose everything, or decide abruptly they don't like it. Getting it out there means people have it if something goes wrong or you become a moonie or something.

 

 

Well astymma has the one in the OP already.  So I think we're past just talking about it.  Besides I've already set up the framework for this new method.  It won't be ages.

 

I know right where you're coming from though.  I've seen it a hundred times myself.

 

If I disappear at my age it's probably because I'm dead. lol

[saladboy21]

I don't see it in the OP. I just looked it over.

[t3589]

OK I've got the framework up and I need some input from modders.

 

[spoiler=Proposed Layout]Scratched this one for a better plan posted below

 

[t3589]

I don't see it in the OP. I just looked it over.

 

 

OK I meant the one described in the OP.  It exists and astymma has it.

[saladboy21]

OH! OK sorry

 

Your system looks good to me.  I like the divide up for ~30 seconds, that sounds good.

 

Not sure what you mean by "default for forced" in the last part.

[t3589]

OH! OK sorry

 

Your system looks good to me.  I like the divide up for ~30 seconds, that sounds good.

 

Not sure what you mean by "default for forced" in the last part.

 

 

The default sounds that play when forced sex occurs.

[saladboy21]

Oh, then yes all sounds good.  Sorry for being slow.

[t3589]

 

 

 

These are my built in hooks so far for voices.  This allows players to customize every voice for the first two combinations listed below.  Mainly because that's the only two kinds of sex that Sexout let's them initiate ATM.  This also helps keep modders from overwriting player customizations.

For modders, custom sounds will be initiated by a 4 digit code.  For example, if someone writes a mod that can tell the system what 'kind' of sex it is, said mod can pass the 4 digit code to this sound mod, and this sound mod will play the appropriate sounds that the modder has installed.

This code will also be used for file naming conventions.  ie. GenericAdult_Sex0Ap0p2r3t1_000942B0_1.wav would mean (0)Default : (2)Forced : (3)Victim : (1)Oral

These can be built upon in the future by simply increasing the number in any one column, and attaching a new option to it.

 

CODE KEY

 

( Palettes : Permissions : Roles : SexType )

ColA = Palettes:
0. Default
1. Standard
2. Taboo
3. Abusive

ColB = Permissions:
0. Consensual
1. Coerced
2. Forced

ColC = Roles:
0. Mutual
1. Dominant
2. Submissive
3. Victim

ColD = SexType:
0. Intercourse
1. Oral

 

COMBINATIONS SUPPORTED

 

Player Only - Player customizations to any voice
0.Default : 0.Consensual : 0.Mutual : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
0.Default : 2.Forced : 3.Victim : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral

 

Modders -  Mainly for NPCs
1.Standard : 0.Consensual : 0.Mutual : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
1.Standard : 0.Consensual : 1.Dominant : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
1.Standard : 0.Consensual : 2.Submissive : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
1.Standard : 1.Coerced : 2.Submissive : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
1.Standard : 1.Coerced : 3.Victim : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral

2.Taboo : 0.Consensual : 0.Mutual : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
2.Taboo : 0.Consensual : 1.Dominant : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
2.Taboo : 0.Consensual : 2.Submissive : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
2.Taboo : 1.Coerced : 2.Submissive : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
2.Taboo : 1.Coerced : 3.Victim : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
2.Taboo : 2.Forced : 2.Submissive : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
2.Taboo : 2.Forced : 3.Victim : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral

3.Abusive : 0.Consensual : 0.Mutual : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
3.Abusive : 0.Consensual : 1.Dominant : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
3.Abusive : 0.Consensual : 2.Submissive : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
3.Abusive : 1.Coerced : 2.Submissive : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
3.Abusive : 1.Coerced : 3.Victim : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
3.Abusive : 2.Forced : 2.Submissive : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral
3.Abusive : 2.Forced : 3.Victim : 0/1.Intercourse/Oral

 

 

 

Does this make sense to you modders out there?  Too complicated?

 

[DoctaSax]

Not sure what "perverted" means here. And perhaps "forced" should also allow for perpetrators, not just victims?

[dizzyman]

I'd like to use your SFX, I'm not keen on the current ones.

 

 ... Or if I do they're very very subtle, almost to the point of not even knowing they're there until you remove them (very ambient).

[t3589]

Not sure what "perverted" means here. And perhaps "forced" should also allow for perpetrators, not just victims?

 

 

Perverted is just a word I picked to express a middle ground (ie. not standard/not abusive).  If you think I should use different terms, by all means toss them at me.  Should I use 'kinky'?  These will apply mainly to npcs remember.

 

The reason I left out Abusive:Forced:Dom is that I have literally a gig+ of voices.  And in those voices there is not a single voice file that meets that description.  Which leaves us with the in game voices like 'C'mon!  Like that?!', which is what I intended to use for the perp automatically.

 

I'll be glad to add it.  Do you think modders will be able to come up with perp voices?  I guess I could leave it in just in case someone wanted to voice their own mod.  But that's the only way I can see those voices will ever be used.  What do you think?

 

EDIT: The palettes column is the one I intended to use to expand on for a finer grained result.  So these aren't etched in stone.  For example I can easily see 'Romantic' being added to the palettes column.  I simply used the 3 I have in there now as points of departure.

[DoctaSax]

Right. I guess it'll all depend on when/how a particular set is called, how modders can make a set fit the situation. Hard to judge these things when you don't have the complete picture.

The issue with "perverted" is that well, there's a judgment there, & I'm wondering what it would relate to. Would mean different things for different people. If it means kinky, people would often associate that with a little bdsm, but dominant/submissive covers that pretty well. If there is an element of coercion, you have coerced/forced for that. I like that you make the distinction, btw. If it's just casual/slutty, I wouldn't call it perverted. Same if it meant anal (which may benefit from its own type category).

 

If "romantic" were on the table, other palettes I could see for "consensual" would be "casual" (meaningless but enjoyable), "prostitution" and maybe using sex to achieve a particular goal (quest-related, getting intel etc). "Gogetter" or something. I kinda like the idea of having 'functional sex' (pros/gogetter) sound a little more fake/bored than when it's something both characters really want (romantic/casual), I guess. That's just my way of looking at things: situation-based. But of course you'd have to take care there aren't so many categories & combinations that it becomes a mess.

[t3589]

Excellent points.

I know perverted is kind of subjective.  I used it here simply to mean 'not abusive, yet not standard'.  I wasn't trying to make a judgment call per se, but I see what you mean.  I was going over all the different kinds of sex I could think of in the game and when I got to Breeder, things like dog sex just didn't fit into either abusive or standard, so I created a middle point and chose the word perverted as a sort of placeholder out of a lack of a better term.  Should I change it to 'bestial'?  Not as flexible, but get's the job done I guess.

Romantic is on the table.  I just wanted to get things rolling before we go adding more flavors.  With this system I can add endless descriptors so that modders can really fine tune their NPCs.  Casual is a good catch.  I don't know why that escaped me.  I'll probably add it shortly.  I think prostitution would be the same as casual wouldn't it?  Or maybe 'insincere' would be better for prostitution/secret agent?  I can't think of a better word.  I wouldn't really call prostitution a kind of sex, but I see the difficulty in terms of defining it as something separate.

 

If there is ever a need to differentiate the sound of anal it can be added to the type column easily.  I just didn't think people would make different voiced sounds for it than they would normally.  Unless you intend to refference it in the voiced dialogue specifically, then I can see the need for it.

As far as it becoming a mess.  I think this will work like NG/SCR does where things get added as modders request the things they need put in.  The framework should lend itself well to new additions.  The scripts are all prepped so most of the work involved at this point is simply data entry, which is nothing.  Boring as hell, but there's not much effort involved to add things.  As long as I can keep an updated Code Key we'll be good to go.

Adding casual.  Thank you for your input and keep the ideas coming.

[DoctaSax]

Oh, sure, "insincere" covers pros/agent-ey very well. I'd go for that.

And yeah, the animal stuff... I kinda forgot about that. "Bestial" is a tad more precise. With romantic, casual, insincere, dom/sub, coerced/forced, that pretty much covers it all, I think.

[t3589]

I think I'll remove perverted completely.  And thinking this through there's really no need for bestial (determined by directory anyway), so it's redundant really.  What I need for the middle ground is a word describing (is abnormal to the subject, yet shamefully pleasant?).

 

I think of it this way.  If standard is pleasure, and abusive is pain, then the middle point would be a mixture of pleasure and pain.  Something to express (I shouldn't like it, but secretly I sort of do).  Something that categorizes (The subject is not certain if they like it or not).  Or 'undecided' or 'confused'.

[DoctaSax]

"Taboo"? "Guilty pleasure"?

[t3589]

"Taboo"? "Guilty pleasure"?

 

 

Perfect!

 

Curse you oh thesaurus!  You have bested me once again.

[saladboy21]

"reluctant?"

[t3589]

"reluctant?"

 

 

How does reluctance differ from coerced?  Please expand.  It does help bring up another one that in my mind should eventually be added which is 'Shameful'.

 

Just to clarify things a bit with the palettes.  I'm trying to get as many 'cover everything' standards in first.  But for example 'Romantic' is already covered by standard in a sense, but that doesn't count it out.  It is simply a more granular form of 'Standard', and that's just what we eventually want for the modders.  So for right now I'm going to focus on the beach, and later we'll get to the grains of sand.  But keep them in your pocket certainly.  We'll need them later.

 

Also, the stuff we're talking about now, currently has nothing to do with player customizations.  I don't like as a player being told what my PC feels, but I think it's essential to the depth of character when it comes to story telling that the modders tell their npcs EXACTLY how to feel.  That's what this part is for.

 

Mainly because there is currently no way in game for a player to decide that they want a particular encounter to be a 'romantic' or 'taboo' one, or any other except yes/no, and oral/anal/straight/threesome.  Perhaps when modders or the main system adds that ability, then they can customize the things we're discussing atm (either through a mod if it allows it,  or through Sexouts built in functions to be able to choose).

[t3589]

Finally, I've run into a small hurdle.  There is no way I can stuff MCM with every permutation of slider.  Therefore, I've decided to break it down thusly:

 

 

 

 

GLOBAL

A slider for sex fx limit.

A slider for oral fx limit.

 

PC ONLY

A slider for forced voice limit.

A slider for stage2 voice limit.

A slider for stage3 voice limit.

A slider for stage4 voice limit.

A slider for oral voice limit.

 

MALE NPCs

A slider for forced voice limit.

A slider for stage2 voice limit.

A slider for stage3 voice limit.

A slider for stage4 voice limit.

A slider for oral voice limit.

 

FEMALE NPCs

A slider for forced voice limit.

A slider for stage2 voice limit.

A slider for stage3 voice limit.

A slider for stage4 voice limit.

A slider for oral voice limit.

 

 

 

 

Now, that being said I can add more than that.  But I don't see another way of dividing them up conveniently without it getting entirely insane.  So if any of you have a better idea on how they can be split up using a few more sliders I'm game to hear it.  I guess I could go one step further and add creatures.  But that's kind of pushing it imo.

 

Btw, stage1 is skipped for the time being but built in for possible anim stages in the future.  Until then it will go unused.