Guest Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 Is anyone else bothered that majority of adult mods feature a bunch of non-immersive / world breaking elements? For example: Devious Devices are vital to the function of so many other adult mods for Skyrim, and I don't know about the rest of you but seeing a purple latex dress and a ball gag in an "ancient" dungeon chest is just about the worst thing for me when it comes to playing modded Skyrim. Does anyone want to share their list of mods that turns Skyrim into a more realistic adult RPG and less into a ludicrous one. I'm not implying that there is anything wrong with any mods, I just think that for some playthroughs, it would be nice to maintain some of the immersion of Skyrims world.
Grey Cloud Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 The simple answer to your problem is to not download a mod if you don't like what it does.
Seijin8 Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, TommyTheWiseGuy said: Is anyone else bothered that majority of adult mods feature a bunch of non-immersive / world breaking elements? For example: Devious Devices are vital to the function of so many other adult mods for Skyrim, and I don't know about the rest of you but seeing a purple latex dress and a ball gag in an "ancient" dungeon chest is just about the worst thing for me when it comes to playing modded Skyrim. Does anyone want to share their list of mods that turns Skyrim into a more realistic adult RPG and less into a ludicrous one. I'm not implying that there is anything wrong with any mods, I just think that for some playthroughs, it would be nice to maintain some of the immersion of Skyrims world. Since "Immersion" is entirely subjective... No. Not in the least. You know what I find un-immersive? - Intro to Skyrim shows Alduin smashing through castle walls and burning a town. Never happens again, no matter how much fire a dragon breathes. I can hide in a thatch-roof inn to escape all dragon attacks forever. - Speaking of fire... nobody notices when something is burning. They just walk into it. - That bear rearing up and growling to warn the courier not to get any closer? Courier will never notice it. The warning behaviors are entirely window-dressing for the player. The AI can't see them. - A near 1 to 1 predator/prey ratio in Skyrim would have there be no prey animals inside of a week. - Assuming dragons eat mammoths, there wouldn't be any mammoths after a week. - Prisons and the entire confinement process completely ignores magic, even though a solid quarter of all the lands inhabitants could use spells to escape jail. Compared to all of that, someone figuring out how to make a natural product (rubber) wearable and then color it (dyes could come from deathbells, lavender or any other similarly colored plant) seems really trivial to me. Feel free to either make "more immersive" mods that suit your taste or do as GreyCloud said and don't download them.
Guest Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Seijin8 said: Since "Immersion" is entirely subjective... No. Not in the least. You know what I find un-immersive? - Intro to Skyrim shows Alduin smashing through castle walls and burning a town. Never happens again, no matter how much fire a dragon breathes. I can hide in a thatch-roof inn to escape all dragon attacks forever. - Speaking of fire... nobody notices when something is burning. They just walk into it. - That bear rearing up and growling to warn the courier not to get any closer? Courier will never notice it. The warning behaviors are entirely window-dressing for the player. The AI can't see them. - A near 1 to 1 predator/prey ratio in Skyrim would have there be no prey animals inside of a week. - Assuming dragons eat mammoths, there wouldn't be any mammoths after a week. - Prisons and the entire confinement process completely ignores magic, even though a solid quarter of all the lands inhabitants could use spells to escape jail. Compared to all of that, someone figuring out how to make a natural product (rubber) wearable and then color it (dyes could come from deathbells, lavender or any other similarly colored plant) seems really trivial to me. Feel free to either make "more immersive" mods that suit your taste or do as GreyCloud said and don't download them. I'm not shitting on any mods here. I don't agree with justifying non-immersive mods with how broken or nonsensical base Skyrim is. Rubber does not belong in any believable fantasy world, and that was just one example.
Grey Cloud Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, TommyTheWiseGuy said: Rubber does not belong in any believable fantasy world, and that was just one example. You do realise that rubber is a natural substance?
donttouchmethere Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, TommyTheWiseGuy said: purple latex dress So far extreme colors are added only by: Devious Vanilla => you can deactivate the things you don't like in MCM, alternative for adding DDs after rape with less colorful variants would be DEC DCL => The rubber Doll quest I guess? DCL MCM offers a lot of settings, reduce the fetish outcomes Deviously Pink => well, if you installed it you wanted it! But you are right, Heretical ressources DDs are underused for gags and chains, although DCL has a lot of settings to get more outcomes from the heavy metal department. Alternative I: Use DDe to exchange DDs you don't like. Got a rubber gas mask with rebreather? Exchange it with a leather hood ^^ Use mods that allow you to modify the used DDs via MCM or json. Or use mods that use ZAP devices, but you will loose the locking effect and the awesome HDT chains from DDx ? 1 hour ago, TommyTheWiseGuy said: a ball gag I blame the Akaviri for that. They produced those in masses and cheap thru slave-labor. They flooded all of Tamriel with cheap bondage devices of low quality that are easy to cut or struggle from. Only the Dwemer knew how to create the really devious stuff in high quality and addition functions. Some mages learned from old dwemer scripts and created some unique additions to the rather medieval and primitive bondage devices those Nords used to create.
Grey Cloud Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, Seijin8 said: You know what I find un-immersive? Mining ebony. "You be careful with that ebony. It doesn't grow on trees you know." 'Feral' wolves.
Mez558 Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 58 minutes ago, TommyTheWiseGuy said: Is anyone else bothered that majority of adult mods feature a bunch of non-immersive / world breaking elements? For example: Devious Devices are vital to the function of so many other adult mods for Skyrim, and I don't know about the rest of you but seeing a purple latex dress and a ball gag in an "ancient" dungeon chest is just about the worst thing for me when it comes to playing modded Skyrim. Does anyone want to share their list of mods that turns Skyrim into a more realistic adult RPG and less into a ludicrous one. I'm not implying that there is anything wrong with any mods, I just think that for some playthroughs, it would be nice to maintain some of the immersion of Skyrims world. I would back GC's idea although I would be a bit more realistic and say, if a mod doesn't meet your requirements (and it's not in your capabilities to alter it) remove it from your Load Order. Even after reading the mod description you may not realise how many ways it might change your game in a way you would rather it didn't. Going back to your particular issue, I don't disagree with your point but I would ask, what mod is adding Devious Devices as loot? Is it Deviously Cursed Loot? If so I am pretty sure you can not only turn off DD items as loot in the MCM but you can also toggle off items that you don't want to appear. The MCM options for DCL is Huge now but the last time I had it installed Kimy had made sure you could customise or just turn off most of the features so it could be tailored for your "needs." If it's another DD mod then I suspect you might still find the same sort of options in its MCM. Plenty of Sexlab based mods don't appeal to me, either due to using "Straight outta Hentai" human biology/anatomy or the kink/fetish just isn't my thing. That's the thing with fantasies, they kinda have a great deal of variety. So no, it doesn't bother me... Not as much as being about to wear a weapon when you are naked with not even belt to hold it. Or having Long swords with scabbards drawn from your back... Urgh!
Guest Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I am not saying any mods are bad or shouldn't exist. I am simply suggesting that many adult mods (that are relied upon and found the basis of adult Skyrim modding) seem to be heavily focused on making Skyrim an absurd medieval porn-scape of fluorescent latex cat-suits and milk-pumps. I DON'T THINK that opening a booby-trapped container and waking up in a machine manufactured corset, high heels and sexy librarian glasses is immersive. There is absolutely nothing wrong with these mods or enjoying them, but there is also nothing wrong with wanting to preserve the reality of the world in one of your 1 bazillion playthroughs.
nemocdt Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 26 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: You do realise that rubber is a natural substance? 1 hour ago, TommyTheWiseGuy said: Is anyone else bothered that majority of adult mods feature a bunch of non-immersive / world breaking elements? For example: Devious Devices are vital to the function of so many other adult mods for Skyrim, and I don't know about the rest of you but seeing a purple latex dress and a ball gag in an "ancient" dungeon chest is just about the worst thing for me when it comes to playing modded Skyrim. Does anyone want to share their list of mods that turns Skyrim into a more realistic adult RPG and less into a ludicrous one. I'm not implying that there is anything wrong with any mods, I just think that for some playthroughs, it would be nice to maintain some of the immersion of Skyrims world. I think something needs to be clarified here, as Op is really talking about Rubber Bondage gear not being Lore friendly rather than unimmersive. I wouldnt say DD is touted as being immersive or lore friendly, it's a BDSM simulator bifurcated with a fantasy RPG and it works pretty damn well. i used to get hung up on patching every tiny little detail out of my bubble. Now i just don't pick it up or let it slide and some of my best sessions have come from unintended side features.
Mez558 Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, TommyTheWiseGuy said: JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I am not saying any mods are bad or shouldn't exist. I am simply suggesting that many adult mods (that are relied upon and found the basis of adult Skyrim modding) seem to be heavily focused on making Skyrim an absurd medieval porn-scape of fluorescent latex cat-suits and milk-pumps. I DON'T THINK that opening a booby-trapped container and waking up in a machine manufactured corset, high heels and sexy librarian glasses is immersive. There is absolutely nothing wrong with these mods or enjoying them, but there is also nothing wrong with wanting to preserve the reality of the world in one of your 1 bazillion playthroughs. Sorry, didn't realise that. I thought you were, in a roundabout way, asking how to remove the features and items you didn't like in a mod(s) so it met your requirements for immersion. Which seemed a fair thing to ask. But actually it seems you don't care that you can most likely turn these, immersion breaking, features off. You just don't like that they're there in the first place and want to tell us that. In that case, as Seijin already said, do better.
Grey Cloud Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 50 minutes ago, TommyTheWiseGuy said: I am not saying any mods are bad or shouldn't exist Nobody is saying you are. What you are doing is talking nonsense. You are complaining about things which will not appear in your game unless you put them there. The DD stuff isn't my thing but I have the 3 main mods installed as one or more are required by other mods. Without any great effort on my part, the only DD gear I see are gags, shackles and harnesses. The aforementioned are all on the NPCs they should be on and never in found in containers.
Guest Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 11 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Nobody is saying you are. What you are doing is talking nonsense. You are complaining about things which will not appear in your game unless you put them there. The DD stuff isn't my thing but I have the 3 main mods installed as one or more are required by other mods. Without any great effort on my part, the only DD gear I see are gags, shackles and harnesses. The aforementioned are all on the NPCs they should be on and never in found in containers. 11 hours ago, Mez558 said: Sorry, didn't realise that. I thought you were, in a roundabout way, asking how to remove the features and items you didn't like in a mod(s) so it met your requirements for immersion. Which seemed a fair thing to ask. But actually it seems you don't care that you can most likely turn these, immersion breaking, features off. You just don't like that they're there in the first place and want to tell us that. In that case, as Seijin already said, do better. Stop making out like I'm criticizing anyone. I went out of my way to really emphasize that I'm not doing that. The intention of my original Post was pretty clear, that being : "Does anyone want to share their list of mods" if that topic is considered "talking nonsense" then I'm lost. This is the General Discussion thread, where people with conflicting views can DISCUSS their opinions and come to understand each other, not be called a complainer for bringing up a topic that I feel is relevant to a considerable number of people. The examples I gave were to get a point across and establish what I consider as non-immersive. I can name many other examples. And yeah, I know they can be tuned. The majority of LL mods are non-immersive, there are immersive ones but they are mixed in and tangled up with the non-immersive ones. I don't think there is anything wrong with the non-immersive ones like I've said multiple times now, I've used them. But sometimes an individual may not want the non-immersive elements that comes with a typical LL setup. My goal here was to find other LL users who felt the same way; People who may have a refined mod list/MCM setup that keeps out as many non-immersive elements as possible. I'm not cool with people getting passive aggressive or assuming I'm toxic or a bitter critic because I brought up something to talk about.
donttouchmethere Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 I don't even know what immersive should be in your case. If you would define your version of "immersive" a bit more you would cause less confusion. With the given information it's basically only clear that you don't want "modern" looking restraints in your game and you don't like ball gags in chests. For me for example the mods I add define what is called "immersive" in my game. If the vanilla game is what you call "immersive" then you are pretty much done after installing Skyrim via Steam. Everything you add that appears as if it could have been in the original game can be found on Nexus. For an additional lewd part you would be quickly done with adding Sexlab to the game plus requirements plus things that triggers sexy times. Now it seems you would like to have some spicy BDSM stuff in your LO without the modern looking DDs. Still it is unclear what you want to play: sub/dom/both? With the given information it's basically only clear that you don't want "modern" looking restraints in your game. Mods that resist to use the majority of modern DDs: Skyrim Chain Beasts => Chains and ZAP furniture [Maria Eden => ZAP devices and furniture, highly configurable what to wear, DD even conflicts =The bugs aren't so immersive and a big turn off] Submissive Lola => from the device choices it offers ZAP devices PAHE & Friends => You can choose what ever you like to add to your slaves and sell them to citizens to add more eye candy to cities Hydragorgon Slave Girls => are equipped with ZAP Devious Helpers => only give those followers DDs you find "immersive" Captives => "immersively naked" and in a ZAP pose SDcages => adds cages everywhere + captives Estrus+ Series => immersive egg birthing, immersive.... wait! if I add immersive to anything it becomes immersive right? Devious Arachnophobia => uses rope and ZAP SS++ => connects to some immersive devious mods SD+ => you still would need to exchange the collar sometimes with DDe if you want a more immersive one Sexlab Stories => the red wave is pretty immersive I would say o.o SOG III => birth immersive soul gems and give immersive milk (+JUGs for dialogue) Pet Project => device choices Sexlab confabulation and soliciation (?) => immersive lewdification of vanilla quests Radiant Prostitution => I think it's rather immersive? Just check out DeepBlueFrogs's mods => most of them are pretty immersive, in case immersive is also lore friendly ^^ Naked Dungeons => just deactivate all DDs in MCM Devious Vanilla => borderline immersive? Deactivate the DD adding after rape. POP => can be configured to be purely heavy metal DDe => just exchange all DDs you don't like anytime Trouble of Heroine => ZAP and humiliation, immersive if you like that ^^ SLS => configure it as you like, might have to wear some armbinder from time to time (aaaahhh) Chaurus Life => adds some immersive life to chaurus dDevious Enchanted Chests => just deactivate everything that isn't slime, because slime is immersive! Devious Dragon Priest Masks => they are immersively locked =D Sexlab Aroused Creatures => well, maybe deactivate the less immersive creatures Skyrim Immersive Creatures => has MNC support! itgrows => if that isn't immersive, what is? Snohies More creatures => adds more creatures for SLAC Pet Collar => at least it's not pink Being a doggy + MuST => be an immersive doggy => atm too intrusive, if it triggers at a lower rate I could recommend it without feeling bad Spank That Ass => *slap* Bathing in Skyrim + MonoMan1 tweaks => get immersively dirty and wash yourself Frostfall + Warm Bodies => running and sex heat ya up Wet Function redux => get wet if it gets really immerisve IFPV => Immersive first person view => can't top that one =D SLUTS => the pony girl equipment is rather immersive form a pony girl perspective SDpatches => if you want your immersive SD owner sleep immersively at night FEMA => maybe being allergic seems to be an immersive stretch, but the rest makes sense o.o wartimes: a-daughters-tale-le-alternate-start-scenario => this seems to be a good start into a deviously immersive game Apropos2 => wear and tear, maybe need to deactivate the screen text if it gets too porno actually I have nearly all of them in my LO ? Guess if you reduce devious mods it gets more immersive too
Guest Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: I don't even know what immersive should be in your case. If you would define your version of "immersive" a bit more you would cause less confusion. With the given information it's basically only clear that you don't want "modern" looking restraints in your game and you don't like ball gags in chests. By immersive I'm talking about stuff that doesn't drag you out of the game world. Obviously anything modern does this. Also things that make you realize you're just playing horny Skyrim, for example dialogue that is overly misogynistic and uses weird modern phrases and slurs. I'm looking for a mod setup that adds interesting adult themes but isn't absurdly pornographic. You know what I mean, it's not immersive (for example) for Bellethor to silent-voice call you a cumslut and then attach a collar to your neck just to give you a hard time. In my opinion: A mod that IS immersive is SL Solutions. It introduces an immersive, believable way to initiate sex scenes. A mod that ISN'T immersive is Milk Mod economy. While it's a great mod, but it just doesn't believably fit in the world for me. A mod that is kinda in the middle is Soul Gem Oven. It still feels a little bit contrived in the world, but considering that Skyim is a fantasy you can reasonably disregard your disbelief. Anyhoo. Thanks you for the list, that's the sort of thing I'm looking for and I'll definitely be looking into your recommendations.
donttouchmethere Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, TommyTheWiseGuy said: Anyhoo. Thanks you for the list, that's the sort of thing I'm looking for and I'll definitely be looking into your recommendations. I tried to pick only the ones that offer an alternative to modern bondage or a configurable. Also mods that don't force greet too much help to stay out of trouble, so you can decide for yourself if you want the lewd part. I'm a bit specialized on the dark and devious side of Skyrim, so you see a lack of ... romance maybe lol, but I don't know if there are any good romance mods that don't get cheesy too quick. ...arghs need to add one more... ? I would recommend DV + Sexlab solutions + confabulation then (definitely deactivate DDs after rape, the color choices are even for me hard to take... only if it's a set it's okey of course lol => cyan rubber set, it can't be helped ?♂️) I start to understand that less is more. So many new/updated mods out there atm, it's hard to keep up. Usally I could get away with having them all in one LO and modify the MCMs, but there where never so much choices like atm.
donttouchmethere Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 One more thing: If you never played thru Skyrim, and it's your goal with a lewd Setup, limit the devious mods that keep you occupied for a longer duration. For me vanilla Skyrim and Quest are only to connect the LL mods, not the other way around ? (and for the challenge to prove that even with a setup full of devious mods it's still possible to play vanilla... just slower and much harder)
Inte Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 17 hours ago, TommyTheWiseGuy said: but seeing a purple latex dress and a ball gag These FIFA DDs are more immersive then, no?
Inte Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 16 hours ago, Seijin8 said: - Prisons and the entire confinement process completely ignores magic, even though a solid quarter of all the lands inhabitants could use spells to escape jail. How can they do that?
donttouchmethere Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Inte said: These FIFA DDs are more immersive then, no? Why is there no FIFA colored ball for the ball gag? ⚽ ?
Inte Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: Why is there no FIFA colored ball for the ball gag? ⚽ ? There would be too much FIFA then.
donttouchmethere Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Inte said: There would be too much FIFA then. Makes sense ? Also less FIFA immersive then
Inte Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: Also less FIFA immersive then There is no such thing as less FIFA immersive.
donttouchmethere Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Inte said: There is no such thing as less FIFA immersive. You sure?: wait that's the same color as the FIFA ball gag ?
Inte Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: You sure?: wait that's the same color as the FIFA ball gag ? Nice! FIFA is all! We must all submit to FIFA!
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