LesboIsBesto Posted July 16, 2019 Posted July 16, 2019 For both the newest version & the 2nd newest of Billy's SLAL pack, SexLab would register copies of the lesbian animations after updating to each version upon their release. The copies not only take up space but kept the pre-existing lesbian animations from working & disabling one set of them disables all of them. To update animation packls I usually disable the pack in NMM, run FNIS, install the new pack & rerun FNIS and that brings in the new animations as well as the settings for the old ones. This has worked for every animation pack I use but this is the 1st time this pack or any has been making duplicates and its only of the lesbian ones affected excluding his magic dildo animations. When Billy responded to my ask for help, he said to do a clean registration in SLAL MCM by disabling all animations then rebuilding SexLab registry then enable and register your animations again. I have done this on my current game & a new game with the pack already installed & not only did it not work but now those lesbian animations will not register in SLAL or SexLab at all. Only the magic dildo animations would register. And now even on a new game without the pack installed, I installed it fresh to a new game and the same problem kept persisting. I reset the registry on SLAL & SexLab's MCM's, I reapplied JSON data, nothing is working. Every other animation in his pack can register EXCEPT those lesbian animations. However I went back to older saves & versions of the mod & noticed the lesbian animations used to be included in the human category instead of their own. I think Billy splitting them into another category is what broke them because I have never ran into this issue with any other version of his pack or other animators. So how do I fix this so SLAL & SexLab can register these animations? This is keeping me from being able to play any saves with the pack installed so I need help from SOMEONE >.>
modball Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 Make a back up (to be safe) and then the delete the contents of Data\tools\GenerateFNIS_for_Users\temporary_logs Rerun FNIS again to regenerate the files. I usually delete all FNIS output when anything goes terribly wrong or I make major animation changes but this is easy with Mod Organizer, not so with NMM.
LesboIsBesto Posted July 19, 2019 Author Posted July 19, 2019 11 hours ago, modal said: Make a back up (to be safe) and then the delete the contents of Data\tools\GenerateFNIS_for_Users\temporary_logs Rerun FNIS again to regenerate the files. I usually delete all FNIS output when anything goes terribly wrong or I make major animation changes but this is easy with Mod Organizer, not so with NMM. Didn't work but thanks for being the ONLY person to respond in 2 weeks of me asking for help on this, better than nothing at all. The animation files are in my game files too so no idea how this is happening. Billy need to fix his pack cuz he mentioned something about a potential glitch when he updated his lesbian animations
modball Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, LesboIsBesto said: The animation files are in my game files too so no idea how this is happening. Billy need to fix his pack cuz he mentioned something about a potential glitch when he updated his lesbian animations They are working with my install and I updated mid play through. MCM can be kinda glitchy though and I may have run the following console command to get them to appear properly to refresh the MCM menus.: setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1 If that doesn't work, remove billy's animations, run FNIS, start game, run above command again, rebuild sexlab registry, let game run for a few minutes, save and exit, reinstall billy, FNIS, rebuild registry etc. Rerun the above command if any of the entries are still missing. I feel your pain and have gone through similar issues with other SLAL packs missing info. I should remember to write down what I did to fix things... seems I am always fixing something in Skyrim, lol
Grey Cloud Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, LesboIsBesto said: Didn't work but thanks for being the ONLY person to respond in 2 weeks Perhaps because you are the only person having the problem? Perhaps, shock-horror, you are the cause of the problem and not Billyy's animation pack? On 7/16/2019 at 3:17 AM, LesboIsBesto said: To update animation packls I usually disable the pack in NMM, run FNIS, install the new pack & rerun FNIS and that brings in the new animations as well as the settings for the old ones. I use NMM and Billyy's pack (plus several others). To upgrade any pack, or any mod for that matter, I uninstall the old one then install the new. Run LOOT and FNIS. Enter the game and configure SLAL and CF. That's about it. Currently have just over 11k animations from several different authors and never have problems with sex animations - man, woman or creature unless I mess up somewhere. I've just built a new machine and hence just rebuilt my Skyrim including Billyy's pack. I've only done one sex act so far, as a test, and it was a lesbian rev cowgirl though I don't know if it was Billyy's. No problem whoever's it was. According to NMM I am using "Billyy's SLAL Animations 2.31". What are you using? I'm still twiddling with my game but if you post the names of some of the animations which are doubling up I will check in my game next time I'm in it. A screenshot or two of the problem might also help.
LesboIsBesto Posted July 19, 2019 Author Posted July 19, 2019 3 hours ago, modal said: They are working with my install and I updated mid play through. MCM can be kinda glitchy though and I may have run the following console command to get them to appear properly to refresh the MCM menus.: setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1 If that doesn't work, remove billy's animations, run FNIS, start game, run above command again, rebuild sexlab registry, let game run for a few minutes, save and exit, reinstall billy, FNIS, rebuild registry etc. Rerun the above command if any of the entries are still missing. I feel your pain and have gone through similar issues with other SLAL packs missing info. I should remember to write down what I did to fix things... seems I am always fixing something in Skyrim, lol That command didn't help when a mod's MCM menu was missing from my game so not sure if that'll help here. The animations aren't missing from SLAL's MCM, they just do not register. When I enable them & click to register, it says 0 new animations registered both before & after disabling all animations & rebuilding the registry & they're nowhere to be found in SexLab's MCM and cannot be found during sex even when I filter the available list by lesbian/oral tags. I will try this method anyways & update if it does. Also same, always fixin shiet here too instead of actually playing smh. UPDATE: your method did not work, only change is SLAL skips the message confirming how many new animations are registered when I try to register the lesbian animations. 3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Perhaps because you are the only person having the problem? Perhaps, shock-horror, you are the cause of the problem and not Billyy's animation pack? I use NMM and Billyy's pack (plus several others). To upgrade any pack, or any mod for that matter, I uninstall the old one then install the new. Run LOOT and FNIS. Enter the game and configure SLAL and CF. That's about it. Currently have just over 11k animations from several different authors and never have problems with sex animations - man, woman or creature unless I mess up somewhere. I've just built a new machine and hence just rebuilt my Skyrim including Billyy's pack. I've only done one sex act so far, as a test, and it was a lesbian rev cowgirl though I don't know if it was Billyy's. No problem whoever's it was. According to NMM I am using "Billyy's SLAL Animations 2.31". What are you using? I'm still twiddling with my game but if you post the names of some of the animations which are doubling up I will check in my game next time I'm in it. A screenshot or two of the problem might also help. Except there is someone else havin this issue who posted in SLAL's & Billy's thread, except its the whole pack he dealin with. Even Billy told me it could be due to leftover registrations from when HE changed the name & categories of the animations. Plus as I said, installing the pack fresh onto a new game without the pack ever being on it doesn't let them register (tho about to test modal's method for fixing that). Billy's pack doesn't have a lesbian reverse cowgirl, only cunnilingus, magic dildo, fingering, & tribbing. I am using 2.31 aka the "newest version" I stated earlier, although the one before that one doesn't work either, most likely because the duplicates started there. Don't use LOOT because it once fugged the order of my mod load, having the wrong mods overwrite each other so I manually sort them according to authors instructions.
Grey Cloud Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, LesboIsBesto said: I manually sort them according to authors instructions You mean that you have all your plug-ins loading last? Mod authors aren't necessarily experts on load orders. LOOT has been around for a long time and is used by thousands of people without problems. 12 minutes ago, LesboIsBesto said: Even Billy told me it could be due to leftover registrations from when HE changed the name & categories of the animations. Then why is it not affecting lots more users? I've just re-read your OP and I am more confused than before. Are the animations registering or registering more than once? If the latter then where are they showing more than once?
LesboIsBesto Posted July 19, 2019 Author Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said: You mean that you have all your plug-ins loading last? Mod authors aren't necessarily experts on load orders. LOOT has been around for a long time and is used by thousands of people without problems. Then why is it not affecting lots more users? I've just re-read your OP and I am more confused than before. Are the animations registering or registering more than once? If the latter then where are they showing more than once? LOOT may work for most people but doesn't mean everyone, just like how this version of Billy's pack may be working for most people but not me & clearly some others as I stated earlier. Don't know what you mean by last, I have all my mods loading in a specific order taking into account mod authors recommendations especially SexLab ones making sure they do not overwrite each other (ex: Solutions & Skooma Whore), I have texture mods at the bottom to avoid any of my world changing mods interfere with them, & my self-made female NPC mods lower than any NPC adding mods to ensure they never get overridden. Works for my game how I need it to & LOOT the last time I used it changed that & had certain mods overwriting each other that would never touch each other in my setup. No idea why not more ppl have it but pretty sure not everyone is willing to make posts on forums asking for help like me or others, they just deal or delete. Doesn't mean its not happening at all & doesn't need some kind of looking into. The animations do not register EVER is my current problem. When the duplicates 1st showed up, the animations were already registered because SLAL preserved the settings of the pack in the MCM when I updated it. But it also made a 2nd set of the lesbian animations & only the duplicates would play if they & the originals were registered, wasting space in the registry. The duplicates appeared in both SexLab's "Toggle Animations" section & in the list of available animations during sex if any lesbian animations were available. SLAL's MCM only had one set of those animations like normal. Rebuilding the registry to fix this in a current save game & then just starting a new save game has escalated the problem to where those specific lesbian animations DO NOT REGISTER AT ALL, except for the Magic Dildo animations which work perfectly fine for some reason I can't figure out. And now going back to an older save with the duplicates do not allow either set of animations to play either. I just tried modal's^ method to fix this & did not work at all. The only thing that changed this time is when I enable & register the lesbian animations, it skips the SLAL message of how many new animations were registered. It still only registers the magic dildo animations. So as I've been saying, the lesbian animations are broken & never register but somehow the magic dildo ones & all of Billy's other animations are working fine.
Grey Cloud Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, LesboIsBesto said: The animations do not register EVER is my current problem. When the duplicates 1st showed up, the animations were already registered because SLAL preserved the settings of the pack in the MCM when I updated it. But it also made a 2nd set of the lesbian animations & only the duplicates would play if they & the originals were registered, wasting space in the registry. The duplicates appeared in both SexLab's "Toggle Animations" section & in the list of available animations during sex if any lesbian animations were available. SLAL's MCM only had one set of those animations like normal. (Now if I am understanding you correctly) Sexlab and SLAL are two different collections of animations. So if you were to not install SLAL and any of the SLAL packs then you would still have access to a limited number of animations via SexLab (which has its own limit of 500 animations). So seeing a given animation in SLAL and SL is not necessarily a fault. I have fallen foul of this a few times over the years. Install a pack; come across an animation I don't like; remove it from SLAL; ten minutes later it turns up again. Damn, forgot to check in Sexlab again. I've just had a look in the folders and I can't see any files in the SexLab folder with Billyy's name in them but there are lots of lesbian files. As to why the lesbian animations will not register in a new game, the problem can only be at your end. Either your download is somehow corrupted or there is a problem with your installation or you are doing something wrong or forgetting something.
Grey Cloud Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 As luck would have it, I must have missed the Billyy Lesbian entry when I set up my animations. I click 'Enable All' Then I click 'Register All' and a few seconds later . . . Bingo! Meanwhile over in Sex Lab. . . They have just appeared in Sex Lab because the animations are listed alphabetically but they appear after 'Nibbles'. As far as I am concerned, these should all be good to go now. I'll leave them on for a few days to see if I can confirm then I'll get rid of most if not all of them. Hmn, just noticed that there are 10 animations but 9 register and 9 in Sex Lab. Tomorrow I'll try to remember to check which one is missing. Couldn't wait. It is Magic Dildo 1 which is missing. I generally remove anything with magic this or that so if it appeared in another group then it may already have gone.
LesboIsBesto Posted July 19, 2019 Author Posted July 19, 2019 22 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: As luck would have it, I must have missed the Billyy Lesbian entry when I set up my animations. Reveal hidden contents I click 'Enable All' Reveal hidden contents Then I click 'Register All' and a few seconds later . . . Reveal hidden contents Bingo! Meanwhile over in Sex Lab. . . Reveal hidden contents They have just appeared in Sex Lab because the animations are listed alphabetically but they appear after 'Nibbles'. As far as I am concerned, these should all be good to go now. I'll leave them on for a few days to see if I can confirm then I'll get rid of most if not all of them. Hmn, just noticed that there are 10 animations but 9 register and 9 in Sex Lab. Tomorrow I'll try to remember to check which one is missing. Couldn't wait. It is Magic Dildo 1 which is missing. I generally remove anything with magic this or that so if it appeared in another group then it may already have gone. The animation files dont appear in SexLab's directory. They go in Data>Meshes>Actors>Character>Animations & the files appear to be fine, not corrupted at all. If it was, none of the pack would be working. Using a different copy of the pack cuz the 1st prolly corrupted was one of my 1st ideas before I posted these threads, didnt work. Also those steps in the pics are the same I follow for every pack I install. In my situation, the message that appears when registering animations says only 2 new animations get registered & appear in SexLab's list of toggleable animations, those 2 are the magic dildo ones. Does not change whether the pack was freshly installed or already there, those others never register. No idea how this can be a my end problem when I have been installing these packs the same way with EVERY other pack I use (Leito, Anub, FunnyBiz, etc.) & even Billy's older packs & now its choosing to fuck up after Billy changed the naming/tag conventions of the lesbian animations in his last 2 packs. Not saying its his fault, am saying I don't know what can cause this shit to happen when the same working method been working all this time. Only way it seems it can be fixed if Billy reverses the changes he made back then or something idk but since he says nothing currently, no idea how long that'll take & even if he'll do it at all. I also have papyrus logs from when I try to register animations on fresh new games but no idea what good it'll do. From what I could decipher, it looks like SLAL is loading them fine in the 1st place so no idea where the fuck ups take place: Papyrus.0.log Papyrus.2.log Papyrus.1.log
modball Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 20 hours ago, LesboIsBesto said: I also have papyrus logs from when I try to register animations on fresh new games but no idea what good it'll do. From what I could decipher, it looks like SLAL is loading them fine in the 1st place so no idea where the fuck ups take place: this is odd: [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: SLAL: registering Billyy_HumanLesbian animations [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LFing1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LFing2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn3 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn4 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LTrib1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LTrib2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: registering animation: B_B_LesMDil1 There are a couple of SL mods that allow you to tag mods as ignored (I have done this accidentally in the past). Check Sexlab registry info for any suppressed animations and clear the suppressed list if any exist: Spoiler The loaded animation count is around 957 - when you use SLAL to list total animations how many does it report? If the regular animation count has hit 500, you will need to install this:
modball Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 On 7/19/2019 at 9:33 PM, Grey Cloud said: Hmn, just noticed that there are 10 animations but 9 register and 9 in Sex Lab. 23 hours ago, LesboIsBesto said: The animation files dont appear in SexLab's directory. They go in Data>Meshes>Actors>Character>Animations & the files appear to be fine, not corrupted at all. If it was, none of the pack would be working. I checked Billyy_HumanLesbian.json, FNIS_Billyy_HumanLesbian_List.txt and the HKX animations. The count for all three is only 9. Very strange that your papyrus log shows 10: [07/19/2019 - 07:23:32PM] SLAL: loaded category Billyy_HumanLesbian: 10 animations where mine has 9: [07/20/2019 - 01:41:27PM] SLAL: loaded category Billyy_HumanLesbian: 9 animations There is also a section with some odd output related to B_B_LesMDil1. I do not get this output. [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LFing1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LFing2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn3 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn4 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LTrib1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LTrib2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: registering animation: B_B_LesMDil1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: anim = [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>] [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: Name = Billyy Lesbian Magic Dildo 1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: SoundFX = [Sound < (09065A33)>] [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: AddPosition(Female, addCum=-1) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(0, B_B_LesMDil1_A1_S1, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: forward=0.000000, side=0.000000, up=0.000000, rotate=0.000000, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: silent=False, openmouth=False, strapon=False, sos=0) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(0, B_B_LesMDil1_A1_S2, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: forward=0.000000, side=0.000000, up=0.000000, rotate=0.000000, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: silent=False, openmouth=False, strapon=False, sos=0) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(0, B_B_LesMDil1_A1_S3, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: forward=0.000000, side=0.000000, up=0.000000, rotate=0.000000, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: silent=False, openmouth=TRUE, strapon=False, sos=0) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(0, B_B_LesMDil1_A1_S4, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: forward=0.000000, side=0.000000, up=0.000000, rotate=0.000000, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: silent=False, openmouth=TRUE, strapon=False, sos=0) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(0, B_B_LesMDil1_A1_S5, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: forward=0.000000, side=0.000000, up=0.000000, rotate=0.000000, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: silent=False, openmouth=TRUE, strapon=False, sos=0) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: AddPosition(Female, addCum=-1) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(1, B_B_LesMDil1_A2_S1, B_B_LesMDil1 was the animation name format from v2.0.3. This was renamed to B_LesMDil1 in v2.1.3. This likely means you have leftover HKX files in meshes\actors\character\animations\Billyy_Human, an old version of FNIS_Billyy_Human_List.txt and/or Billy_Human.json, maybe all three. If you chose to merge/update the mod when you updated instead of replacing/overwriting it, this would leave these files behind, but sometimes NMM just messes up and doesn't do a good cleanup job. I would highly recommend using MO2 for Skyrim, especially for large load orders. Fixing stuff like this in NMM can be a nightmare, with MO2 its very easy. Sorry, that was all wrong (except the MO2 part!) In FNIS_Billyy_Human_List.txt (old version) and in FNIS_Billyy_HumanLesbian_List.txt, the file entries have B_B at the start but the HKX files only have one B at the beginning. Have you tried removing Billy's animations entirely, search your data folder and the NMM storage folder for anything left over related to Billy's animations, and just installing the lesbian animations?
bandygirl1 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, modal said: but sometimes NMM just messes up and doesn't do a good cleanup job. I would highly recommend using MO2 for Skyrim, especially for large load orders. Fixing stuff like this in NMM can be a nightmare, with MO2 its very easy. In before Grey Cloud goes hulk smash on you, lol. Although I totally agree. It's yet another reason I switched to MO years ago.
modball Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, bandygirl1 said: In before Greycloud goes hulk smash on you, lol. Although I totally agree. It's yet another reason I switched to MO years ago. Haha, I know everyone has their preferences but I have zero regrets moving to MO/MO2. If something goes bad it is very easy to remove and try again. I can't imagine trying to get SMP working properly with NMM.
bandygirl1 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 1 minute ago, modal said: Haha, I know everyone has their preferences but I have zero regrets moving to MO/MO2. If something goes bad it is very easy to remove and try again. Yep
Grey Cloud Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 42 minutes ago, modal said: I checked Billyy_HumanLesbian.json, FNIS_Billyy_HumanLesbian_List.txt and the HKX animations. The count for all three is only 9. But there are 10 animations. 4 x Cunnilingus and 2 each of Fingering, Magic Dildo and Tribbing. All in all a lot of fuss over a few animations which can be found in other packs and will no doubt, be updated by Billyy in due course. When was the last time either of you experienced NMM 'messing up'?
bandygirl1 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: When was the last time either of you experienced NMM 'messing up'? Reveal hidden contents The last time I used it. When it did the exact thing that modal is saying that it will on occasion. It took me 3 days to find the trash files it conveniently left in my data folder. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice....nm; That isn't going to happen
modball Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: But there are 10 animations. 4 x Cunnilingus and 2 each of Fingering, Magic Dildo and Tribbing. So there are. I am still on v2.13. My bad. I didn't bother updating as it was only the Magic Dildo animation. > When was the last time either of you experienced NMM 'messing up'? Its been a couple of years and the various issues I ran across over the three or so years I used it are too numerous to list. It's certainly likely some of it was my fault but when I located a bunch of files left over from several mods I had installed and uninstalled through NMM, including files that were the cause of a vast gray face bug on NPCs, I decided to give MO a try. Bit of a learning curve but it provides a lot more freedom and allows very quick comparisons of conflicting mods, including texture previews - really helpful for comparing body textures and landscape/grass mixing. It even has a feature to show which mods are conflicting with files contained in BSA archives (disabled by default). I wanna switch to SMP? Disable one group of mods, enable another. Wanna switch back? no uninstall/reinstall process, just check a box to disable/enable.
Grey Cloud Posted July 21, 2019 Posted July 21, 2019 Torak's teeth and nails. 38 minutes ago, bandygirl1 said: trash files it conveniently left in my data folder And? 16 minutes ago, modal said: over the three or so years I used it are too numerous to list. Conveniently. I'm three years and counting and haven't had any problems caused by NMM. I've just built a new machine and was tempted to switch to Vortex but I was having enough trouble with W10 offering to do ten things I didn't want instead of the one thing I did. So, new wing-ding machine, new OS and trusty old NMM. And, just because I can, I used the save from the old installation to play the new. It's just a game.
bandygirl1 Posted July 21, 2019 Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Grey Cloud said: Torak's teeth and nails. And? Conveniently. I'm three years and counting and haven't had any problems caused by NMM. I've just built a new machine and was tempted to switch to Vortex but I was having enough trouble with W10 offering to do ten things I didn't want instead of the one thing I did. So, new wing-ding machine, new OS and trusty old NMM. And, just because I can, I used the save from the old installation to play the new. It's just a game. You asked, I told you. I'm sorry it's not what you wanted to hear; It doesn't make it any less true. BTW, I've used MO for four years and counting, and haven't had any problems either. What's the point of posting that? Look Grey; I get that you use and enjoy NMM. I've never once knocked you or anyone else for that. It doesn't invalidate problems both I, and apparently others have experienced that were absolutely the fault of that program that we simply haven't experienced with MO. There is a reason most who have been modding Skyrim for years recommend MO over it., and I'm really not sure why you seem so affronted when someone does. Like you said; It's just a game. Not some sort of personal attack.
modball Posted July 21, 2019 Posted July 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: It's just a game. Yes, it is. I have no dog in the fight and I am happy that your NMM install has worked well for you. We all have different experiences, especially considering we all install different mods in a wild variety of orders on a vast array of hardware and Windows versions.
modball Posted July 21, 2019 Posted July 21, 2019 On 7/19/2019 at 11:36 PM, LesboIsBesto said: Only way it seems it can be fixed if Billy reverses the changes I just installed v2.31 (Billyy_CreatureHumanoids, Billyy_Human, Billyy_HumanFurniture and Billyy_HumanLesbian) and didn't run into any issues. Definitely try just Billyy_HumanLesbian on its own and make sure Sexlab hasn't somehow suppressed those animations.
LesboIsBesto Posted July 21, 2019 Author Posted July 21, 2019 4 hours ago, modal said: this is odd: [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: SLAL: registering Billyy_HumanLesbian animations [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LFing1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LFing2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn3 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn4 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LTrib1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LTrib2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: registering animation: B_B_LesMDil1 There are a couple of SL mods that allow you to tag mods as ignored (I have done this accidentally in the past). Check Sexlab registry info for any suppressed animations and clear the suppressed list if any exist: Hide contents The loaded animation count is around 957 - when you use SLAL to list total animations how many does it report? If the regular animation count has hit 500, you will need to install this: No idea how i can have any suppressed animations. I have never suppressed tags or any animations & dont even know how to do it. From memory, when I register everything I want to use, i come between 450-490 for humans usually. It varies when I disable certain ones but i didnt go that far in the saves those logs come from. 3 hours ago, modal said: I checked Billyy_HumanLesbian.json, FNIS_Billyy_HumanLesbian_List.txt and the HKX animations. The count for all three is only 9. Very strange that your papyrus log shows 10: [07/19/2019 - 07:23:32PM] SLAL: loaded category Billyy_HumanLesbian: 10 animations where mine has 9: [07/20/2019 - 01:41:27PM] SLAL: loaded category Billyy_HumanLesbian: 9 animations There is also a section with some odd output related to B_B_LesMDil1. I do not get this output. [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LFing1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LFing2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn3 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LCunn4 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LTrib1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SEXLAB - SKIPPING -- B_B_LTrib2 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: registering animation: B_B_LesMDil1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: anim = [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>] [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: Name = Billyy Lesbian Magic Dildo 1 [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: SoundFX = [Sound < (09065A33)>] [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: AddPosition(Female, addCum=-1) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(0, B_B_LesMDil1_A1_S1, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: forward=0.000000, side=0.000000, up=0.000000, rotate=0.000000, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: silent=False, openmouth=False, strapon=False, sos=0) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(0, B_B_LesMDil1_A1_S2, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: forward=0.000000, side=0.000000, up=0.000000, rotate=0.000000, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: silent=False, openmouth=False, strapon=False, sos=0) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(0, B_B_LesMDil1_A1_S3, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: forward=0.000000, side=0.000000, up=0.000000, rotate=0.000000, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: silent=False, openmouth=TRUE, strapon=False, sos=0) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(0, B_B_LesMDil1_A1_S4, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: forward=0.000000, side=0.000000, up=0.000000, rotate=0.000000, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: silent=False, openmouth=TRUE, strapon=False, sos=0) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(0, B_B_LesMDil1_A1_S5, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: forward=0.000000, side=0.000000, up=0.000000, rotate=0.000000, [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: silent=False, openmouth=TRUE, strapon=False, sos=0) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: AddPosition(Female, addCum=-1) [07/19/2019 - 07:23:28PM] SLAL: + [sslBaseAnimation <alias BaseAnimation311 on quest SexLabQuestAnimations (090639DF)>].AddPositionStage(1, B_B_LesMDil1_A2_S1, B_B_LesMDil1 was the animation name format from v2.0.3. This was renamed to B_LesMDil1 in v2.1.3. This likely means you have leftover HKX files in meshes\actors\character\animations\Billyy_Human, an old version of FNIS_Billyy_Human_List.txt and/or Billy_Human.json, maybe all three. If you chose to merge/update the mod when you updated instead of replacing/overwriting it, this would leave these files behind, but sometimes NMM just messes up and doesn't do a good cleanup job. I would highly recommend using MO2 for Skyrim, especially for large load orders. Fixing stuff like this in NMM can be a nightmare, with MO2 its very easy. Sorry, that was all wrong (except the MO2 part!) In FNIS_Billyy_Human_List.txt (old version) and in FNIS_Billyy_HumanLesbian_List.txt, the file entries have B_B at the start but the HKX files only have one B at the beginning. Have you tried removing Billy's animations entirely, search your data folder and the NMM storage folder for anything left over related to Billy's animations, and just installing the lesbian animations? I didnt think checking files in there would matter since NMM always removes everything from a mod when I uninstall. Never had an issue of NMM leaving stuff behind, will check this too. Swear to god if this is what Billy meant by old references from his renaming.... 1 hour ago, modal said: So there are. I am still on v2.13. My bad. I didn't bother updating as it was only the Magic Dildo animation. > When was the last time either of you experienced NMM 'messing up'? Its been a couple of years and the various issues I ran across over the three or so years I used it are too numerous to list. It's certainly likely some of it was my fault but when I located a bunch of files left over from several mods I had installed and uninstalled through NMM, including files that were the cause of a vast gray face bug on NPCs, I decided to give MO a try. Bit of a learning curve but it provides a lot more freedom and allows very quick comparisons of conflicting mods, including texture previews - really helpful for comparing body textures and landscape/grass mixing. It even has a feature to show which mods are conflicting with files contained in BSA archives (disabled by default). I wanna switch to SMP? Disable one group of mods, enable another. Wanna switch back? no uninstall/reinstall process, just check a box to disable/enable. I've been told alot to switch to MO & only reason I havent done it cuz NMM was the 1st I started with & has been reliable for me on both Skyrims & FO4. Best thing NMM did for me was preserve my entire load order & meticulous FOmod settings when Steam's dumbass overwrote my Skyrim directory with Creation Kit's (I have to use a pirated CK just to avoid a repeat of that now >.>) Also I've had authors tell me their stuff is better optimized for NMM over manual or MO installs or just straight incompatible with MO so I didnt question it. So unless MO can copy over my entire load order & specific files & settings with 0 issue in a short time, I have no problem sticking with NMM until it becomes absolutely impossible.
modball Posted July 21, 2019 Posted July 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, LesboIsBesto said: Also I've had authors tell me their stuff is better optimized for NMM over manual or MO installs or just straight incompatible with MO so I didnt question it You can make anything work with MO that works with NMM. Not really sure what they are referring to there. When you install a mod in MO2 and it can't figure out where the data directory is, it asks you to correct the file structure. *edit: > meticulous FOmod settings If NMM preserves your previous installation selections, then that is a benefit of NMM over MO2. It does not remember your preferences.
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