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[bandygirl1]

/sigh.

 

The mod manager arguments really need to end.

 

There is nothing wrong with using NMM. Wrong install orders, and removing multiple mods wily-nily with no regard to the order in which they were installed in can cause issues. Those are both cases of user error, but they can fuck your game to the point of needing a complete reinstall.

 

MO requires more of a learning curve to use. But, it also keeps the original install of the game separate, so there is never a need to start from scratch. Yes, executables must be run from within MO, but it's a simple as setting a file path once. After that, you simply click an icon. It also has the advantage of drag and drop to arrange load orders of both mod data and plugins, so changing what overwrites what is stupid easy, and install order doesn't matter at all. Combine that with profiles letting you run multiple completely different mod setups with different saves/characters. When it comes to control and the ease of resolving errors, there is no comparison. The two are not even remotely fucking equitable.

 

Does that make MO better? That's a question each must answer for themselves. For someone who just wants to plug and play, I'd say NMM is great. But I'd advice against tinkering at all unless you know exactly what the hell your doing. For those that want that added control and easy problem solving, MO is the safer bet.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, bandygirl1 said:

user error

And there is the key phrase. I have never had to reinstall my game because I or any application screwed it.

 

As I stated above, I have no problem with MO 1 or 2 or Vortex or any other - to each her/his own. What I do have problems with is idiots forever slagging off NMM when they have nothing to back up their nonsense. It's mostly silly little boys who think that using MO is the equivalent of hanging with the big boys and makes them a hardcore gamer.

[t.ara]

The mod manager discussion will never end and that´s all right that way:

Lot of people are somewhere on a way between the dependency of a mod-manager

and some maybe are able to install mods without that "helpers":

 

->SKYRIM-INSTALLATIONS HAVE A LEARNING CURVE, which reaches from gamer´s dependency of MO´s

up to totally FREEDOM without the use of a mod-manager.

 

There are not only two mod managers to chose from, there are more available-and

those ones, which became the not mentioned ones, are the best ones.

 

The overall best installation is a mix between a manually  installation , combined with a mod manager,

which has to be far more quick and clean working compared to the above mentioned ones.

If you feel that NMM and also MO is wasting your time, so,  if one day you really got screwed" by them,

you probably begin to understand, how you have to mod skyrim really:

You like to begin to install mods manually, which leads to an overall FREEDOM and PEACE:-)

 

 

 

[foreveraloneguy]

The MO author himself said the virtual file system in MO was a hack and a solution looking for a problem. Now he works on Vortex for Nexus, and I find Vortex to be better than MO and NMM both. It took the concept of keeping everything in seperate folders and allowing you to specify not only the esm/p load order and controlling which mod's files take priority like MO via simple to create rules, but also replaced a wonky virtual file system with native Windows APIs like the most recent NMM. It's faster and there's a much lower learning curve than MO because doesn't require jumping through hoops just to get the most  basic things working.

 

So that's my inflation adjusted .02.

[c0mpute]

With Fallout 4  i never really had to much trouble with installing meshes and the mods, though with Skyrim V it always seems to give me trouble not getting the mesh folders up when installing bodyslide by default.. I have used MO, (MO2 at the moment) and NMM as well, all are as good as each other, its just i find MO2 a little more confusing than NMM, which i am not about to change atm, because i am almost at full enchantment level at 25 or level 27 which means i would have to give up the char.. 

What I would like is to make twins, turn my avatar into the same as my followers avatar and to be able to have fun with bodyslide to adjust outfits and bodies to etc . .

I am taking my time with the externals because I am simply sitting back and also enjoying the game itself .. 

Alas, good gaming one and all..

 

[c0mpute]

3 hours ago, foreveraloneguy said:

The MO author himself said the virtual file system in MO was a hack and a solution looking for a problem. Now he works on Vortex for Nexus, and I find Vortex to be better than MO and NMM both. It took the concept of keeping everything in seperate folders and allowing you to specify not only the esm/p load order and controlling which mod's files take priority like MO via simple to create rules, but also replaced a wonky virtual file system with native Windows APIs like the most recent NMM. It's faster and there's a much lower learning curve than MO because doesn't require jumping through hoops just to get the most  basic things working.

 

So that's my inflation adjusted .02.

Thanks for the input, you know how lots of people are about new things, specially programs and even though modding has come along way, some still need that little bit extra input to be sure.. 

Specially from other people that have used the program or programs,  like experiences etc.. 

Know what I mean? 

Cheers.. 

Just a basic mod user. that sometimes is  willing to learn how to mod modded things with bodyslide and the like.. lol 

[faky]

10 hours ago, c0mpute said:

With Fallout 4  i never really had to much trouble with installing meshes and the mods, though with Skyrim V it always seems to give me trouble not getting the mesh folders up when installing bodyslide by default.. I have used MO, (MO2 at the moment) and NMM as well, all are as good as each other, its just i find MO2 a little more confusing than NMM, which i am not about to change atm, because i am almost at full enchantment level at 25 or level 27 which means i would have to give up the char.. 

What I would like is to make twins, turn my avatar into the same as my followers avatar and to be able to have fun with bodyslide to adjust outfits and bodies to etc . .

I am taking my time with the externals because I am simply sitting back and also enjoying the game itself .. 

Alas, good gaming one and all..

 

 

check out the mod familiar faces (or something close to that) - it made a clone of your character with all the skills and gear i think and let you recruit that as a follower in another save

and if you are using racemenu morphs you can both adjust the bodies/outfits of your characters and followers (using EFF) in-game which i highly recommend (separately of course - each morph applies to only that character so you can have two different body shapes for you and follower while using the same outfits without problems)

BTW did you build bodies in bodyslide? there is no mesh folder in cbbe bodyslide (unless you're using prebuilt) at least in my slightly outdated download

[c0mpute]

47 minutes ago, faky said:

 

check out the mod familiar faces (or something close to that) - it made a clone of your character with all the skills and gear i think and let you recruit that as a follower in another save

and if you are using racemenu morphs you can both adjust the bodies/outfits of your characters and followers (using EFF) in-game which i highly recommend (separately of course - each morph applies to only that character so you can have two different body shapes for you and follower while using the same outfits without problems)

BTW did you build bodies in bodyslide? there is no mesh folder in cbbe bodyslide (unless you're using prebuilt) at least in my slightly outdated download

No have not built a body yet, still trying to set the files straight in skyrim with bodyslide and the other app, also came across a complication installing an old mod from nexus that allows you to do NPCs as well.. lol. it might of overwritten some of the animation files from FNIS.. 

I do use race menu. though do not see it in the setting menu when bringing it up to the config settings..  so yeah.. 

[faky]

install bodyslide

install a body (say cbbe hdt one like cosio)

install outfits mods (hdt compatible)

run bodyslide executable through mod organizer (add executable by selecting it's path)

build outfits (with morphs if you installed racemenu with cbbe morphs)

in-game open console and use command showracemenu

aside from setting up stuff like face, weight, hair brows mouth etc. you will also have "cbbe morphs" if you did everything as described above

in there you can tweak the same settings you would in bodyslide and see the results in real time in game (which is why i keep my bodyslide preset on default and adjust everything with morphs in the game - this coupled with saving presets in racemenu that save cbbe morphs lets you change bodyshapes on the fly without rebuilding everything in bodyslide. hdt outfits are compatible with cbbe morphing, tbbp possibly too and nini even released outfits with cosio body. you can also swap hdt bodies in outfits with cosio mesh i think but it's more work than i was willing to do)

 

i cant think of any mod that would overwrite FNIS files since it's a custom made tool but if you are worried about that you can move it's priority and make it load after whatever it is you think overwrote it's files. if you experience everything t-posing it means you need to run fnis again (happens after uninstalling animation mods without running fnis. always run fnis after either adding or removing animations in mods. swapping and hotswapping them is perfectly fine without fnis)

[c0mpute]

20 hours ago, faky said:

install bodyslide

install a body (say cbbe hdt one like cosio)

install outfits mods (hdt compatible)

run bodyslide executable through mod organizer (add executable by selecting it's path)

build outfits (with morphs if you installed racemenu with cbbe morphs)

in-game open console and use command showracemenu

aside from setting up stuff like face, weight, hair brows mouth etc. you will also have "cbbe morphs" if you did everything as described above

in there you can tweak the same settings you would in bodyslide and see the results in real time in game (which is why i keep my bodyslide preset on default and adjust everything with morphs in the game - this coupled with saving presets in racemenu that save cbbe morphs lets you change bodyshapes on the fly without rebuilding everything in bodyslide. hdt outfits are compatible with cbbe morphing, tbbp possibly too and nini even released outfits with cosio body. you can also swap hdt bodies in outfits with cosio mesh i think but it's more work than i was willing to do)

 

i cant think of any mod that would overwrite FNIS files since it's a custom made tool but if you are worried about that you can move it's priority and make it load after whatever it is you think overwrote it's files. if you experience everything t-posing it means you need to run fnis again (happens after uninstalling animation mods without running fnis. always run fnis after either adding or removing animations in mods. swapping and hotswapping them is perfectly fine without fnis)

I am confused by bodyslides file structure though.. there is more than one body slide folder in the zip file and instruction on one page doe not have the folder in question for bodyslide... it seems there are extra folders... 

This file structure alone is confusing or am i missing something here? lol..  meaning that when i open bodyslide, no bodies are there and no way to open a body file..
D:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim\Data\CalienteTools\Bodyslide\00 BodySlide\CalienteTools\BodySlide

[c0mpute]

On 6/23/2019 at 1:14 AM, bandygirl1 said:

/sigh.

 

The mod manager arguments really need to end.

 

There is nothing wrong with using NMM. Wrong install orders, and removing multiple mods wily-nily with no regard to the order in which they were installed in can cause issues. Those are both cases of user error, but they can fuck your game to the point of needing a complete reinstall.

 

MO requires more of a learning curve to use. But, it also keeps the original install of the game separate, so there is never a need to start from scratch. Yes, executables must be run from within MO, but it's a simple as setting a file path once. After that, you simply click an icon. It also has the advantage of drag and drop to arrange load orders of both mod data and plugins, so changing what overwrites what is stupid easy, and install order doesn't matter at all. Combine that with profiles letting you run multiple completely different mod setups with different saves/characters. When it comes to control and the ease of resolving errors, there is no comparison. The two are not even remotely fucking equitable.

 

Does that make MO better? That's a question each must answer for themselves. For someone who just wants to plug and play, I'd say NMM is great. But I'd advice against tinkering at all unless you know exactly what the hell your doing. For those that want that added control and easy problem solving, MO is the safer bet.

I was not meaning to start a debate or argument, I was just trying to remember what was more stable when running mods and also wanting to find something out about vortex since it has taken over NMM which i cant seem to find anymore.. lol 
 

So apology to everyone, since the last post i have had 3 hdd knocked out from something weird going on, meaning almost 6hard drives being destroyed if not more, within less than a 2 year period.. 

Thats not mentioning the 3 to 4 motherboards and two different CPUs and different memory i have had to change over the same period.. 

[c0mpute]

On 6/23/2019 at 6:39 AM, foreveraloneguy said:

The MO author himself said the virtual file system in MO was a hack and a solution looking for a problem. Now he works on Vortex for Nexus, and I find Vortex to be better than MO and NMM both. It took the concept of keeping everything in seperate folders and allowing you to specify not only the esm/p load order and controlling which mod's files take priority like MO via simple to create rules, but also replaced a wonky virtual file system with native Windows APIs like the most recent NMM. It's faster and there's a much lower learning curve than MO because doesn't require jumping through hoops just to get the most  basic things working.

 

So that's my inflation adjusted .02.

Thank you, I might just give Vortex a shot, even though Gohper does not recommend it himself, though that is probably because its new and well yeah. .anyway, thanks for that info.. appreciated.. 

Will look it up more on youtube.. 

[Pfiffy]

Mo always seemed to me like it is far to complicated for its advantages. In others words: It caused as many problems as it solved. I switched to Vortex just see what problems ppl might have with it. What I found out was: No matter what mod manager you use, in 80% of all cases the problem sit in front of the Computer.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, c0mpute said:

So apology to everyone, since the last post i have had 3 hdd knocked out from something weird going on, meaning almost 6hard drives being destroyed if not more, within less than a 2 year period.. 

Thats not mentioning the 3 to 4 motherboards and two different CPUs and different memory i have had to change over the same period.. 

Looks like you need to think about changing your PSU.

[c0mpute]

10 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Looks like you need to think about changing your PSU.

I went through about 4 of those in between all that too.. apparently it had to do with the DVD, though i think it was something more.. 

that something more is just my personal opinion though..

Those LEDs though are hopeless and I would not recommend them to anyone.. LEDs=RGB

[c0mpute]

2 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

Mo always seemed to me like it is far to complicated for its advantages. In others words: It caused as many problems as it solved. I switched to Vortex just see what problems ppl might have with it. What I found out was: No matter what mod manager you use, in 80% of all cases the problem sit in front of the Computer.

I installed vortex and have installed SKSE with vortex as well, no problems so far.. vortex seems to have picked up on some mods that i did not have installed from before.. which is sort of good, but then who knows, have to wait to play the game again to find out.. 

And I can not disagree with you, its why i did not make a fuss over what i used. its just been a while since i used the old NMM or MO or MO2 .. first time for vortex and it seems to be doing alright.. will see how it holds out with adult mods on here like shalongs of skyrim lol 

Also things like body slide.. etc

[foreveraloneguy]

3 hours ago, c0mpute said:

I installed vortex and have installed SKSE with vortex as well, no problems so far.. vortex seems to have picked up on some mods that i did not have installed from before.. which is sort of good, but then who knows, have to wait to play the game again to find out.. 

And I can not disagree with you, its why i did not make a fuss over what i used. its just been a while since i used the old NMM or MO or MO2 .. first time for vortex and it seems to be doing alright.. will see how it holds out with adult mods on here like shalongs of skyrim lol 

Also things like body slide.. etc

I used Vortex to install sexlab, sexlab SE, SoS and SoS SE, etc. Zero problems. It even seems to do a good job handling mods that look like they were packaged for a manual install.

[c0mpute]

3 hours ago, foreveraloneguy said:

I used Vortex to install sexlab, sexlab SE, SoS and SoS SE, etc. Zero problems. It even seems to do a good job handling mods that look like they were packaged for a manual install.

I love the install feature it uses for other self install mods. 
From the short amount of time i have used it and the long amount of time i watched Gopher videos on how to use it. lol.. I must say i am impressed..  (Y) 

Here is the playlist from Gopher if anyone has any doubts about Vortex or is interested in finding out more about it..