Help with crashing at random locations and when opening inventories

[marktwain123]

My game crashes when i enter certain spots on the map like near Falkreath Winterhold and various places on the map. Also sometimes when combat is engaged or when attempting to look into somethings inventory. 

I sometimes get infinite loading screens when entering buildings or cities like Whiterun 

 

I've sorted my load order with LOOT and cleaned what it told me to with TES5Edit but the crashes keep coming.

Any and all insight would be greatly appreciated 

 

 

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[Grimmdal]

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/46465/

 

^this fixes infinite loading screens.

 

 

For the random CTD, this happened to me too when my game was bloated with mods , especially script heavy mods. Skyrim just cant handle that much , i fear.

 

i got random ctds near dragon bridge and solitude for no reason and in combat sometimes too when too much triggers/ scripts popped in. There is no real fix for it i fear, either u deal with it or get rid of some script mods.

 

[TheArchlich]

What a mess in the load order... wow! I'm kinda impressed by how bad it is XD

 

First of all you want to uninstall TES5edit

Second install Safety load

Third configure your memory chunk size (in SKSE.ini)

Four increase exterior cell buffer (in skyrim.ini)

Five sort your load order

[marktwain123]

I do have safety loaf installed and it helps sometimes but stops working after a while.

 

As for configuring memory chunk size and cell buffer, what setting should i set it too? If there is a more ideal setting.

 

The load order has been sorted with loot but i guess thats not enough huh.

[Grey Cloud]

4 hours ago, TheArchlich said:

What a mess in the load order... wow! I'm kinda impressed by how bad it is XD

 

First of all you want to uninstall TES5edit

Second install Safety load

Third configure your memory chunk size (in SKSE.ini)

Four increase exterior cell buffer (in skyrim.ini)

Five sort your load order

Explain why his load order is a mess. I agree it could be better but you need to explain to the OP if you are going to come up with statements like that.

 

Why does he need to uninstall TESVEdit?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Grey Cloud]

Rather than use Safety Load you would better off using Crash Fixes and SKSE Plug-in Preloader

Safety Load (not needed if UseOSAllocators=1 in CrashFixPlugin.ini):

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725/

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75795/?

 

You should also install ENBoost (if you are not already using an ENB)

https://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost

 

The above three should eliminate most of the CTD problems.

 

Don't make changes to any ini files based on the say-so of anybody in a post. Read on of the guides such as S.T.E.P. or follow one of th videos by Gamer Poets fro example.

 

There are several things which could be done to improve your load order but they can wait until your game is stable.

[marktwain123]

9 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Rather than use Safety Load you would better off using Crash Fixes and SKSE Plug-in Preloader

Safety Load (not needed if UseOSAllocators=1 in CrashFixPlugin.ini):

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725/

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75795/?

 

You should also install ENBoost (if you are not already using an ENB)

https://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost

 

The above three should eliminate most of the CTD problems.

 

Don't make changes to any ini files based on the say-so of anybody in a post. Read on of the guides such as S.T.E.P. or follow one of th videos by Gamer Poets fro example.

 

There are several things which could be done to improve your load order but they can wait until your game is stable.

I set up what you showed me and the game does run alot smoother but im still getting CTD's when i open an inventory menu. 

[Grey Cloud]

9 minutes ago, marktwain123 said:

but im still getting CTD's when i open an inventory menu. 

That would suggest that there is something, such as a bad mesh, in the inventory which is not right. You could try loading earlier saves to see if you can get back to before whatever it is was put in your inventory.

I'm assuming you don't have any mod which alters your inventory.

[TheArchlich]

10 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Explain why his load order is a mess. I agree it could be better but you need to explain to the OP if you are going to come up with statements like that.

Just look at it. Everything is everywhere - 0 logical order.

10 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Why does he need to uninstall TESVEdit?

Having TES5edit installed causes the game to crash.

[TheArchlich]

10 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

You should also install ENBoost (if you are not already using an ENB)

Don't do that. It will make it worse.

[Psalam]

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1 hour ago, marktwain123 said:

I set up what you showed me and the game does run alot smoother but im still getting CTD's when i open an inventory menu. 

 

First, let me go on record as supporting everything that Grey Cloud has told you. All his advice will work toward making your game more stable.

 

Second, what he told you about meshes is also accurate.

 

Finally, your "location" CTDs are almost certainly caused by having an out of date version of MoreNastyCritters loaded. I know yours is out of date because it loads SexLabNudeCreatures which is known to cause that type of CTD. So, your next step, after doing everything Grey Cloud has already sagely suggested, is to get rid of your old version of MNC and load the newest (SLAL) version. Be careful to assiduously follow MadMansGun directions. It is not hard but it can be particular.

 

Happy hunting!

[Grey Cloud]

32 minutes ago, TheArchlich said:

Don't do that. It will make it worse.

For why?

[Grey Cloud]

33 minutes ago, TheArchlich said:

Having TES5edit installed causes the game to crash.

Where did you pull that gem from?

34 minutes ago, TheArchlich said:

Just look at it. Everything is everywhere - 0 logical order.

And what logic would that be?

[TheArchlich]

22 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Where did you pull that gem from?

And what logic would that be?

I said how to fix the problem. Weather they decides to fix their game or not it's up to them.

And how do I know that is none of your business. I doubt you would understand anyway.

[Grey Cloud]

1 minute ago, TheArchlich said:

I said how to fix the problem. Weather they decides to fix their game or not it's up to them.

And how do I know that is none of your business. I doubt you would understand anyway.

So, in other words you cannot back up any of your nonsense.

 

Thousands of people use TESVEdit (across more than one game) and you are the only person I have ever come across who claims it causes crashes.

And it is 'whether' not 'weather'.

[TheArchlich]

12 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

So, in other words you cannot back up any of your nonsense.

 

Thousands of people use TESVEdit (across more than one game) and you are the only person I have ever come across who claims it causes crashes.

And it is 'whether' not 'weather'.

Apparently you better at spelling than modding.

The new versions of TES5edit load dynamic library files into the game folder what causes stability issues.

If you don't crash with it your game is probably 'not modded enough'. (still it doesn't mean it doesn't reduce your stability)

[Grey Cloud]

3 minutes ago, TheArchlich said:

Apparently you better at spelling than modding.

The new versions of TES5edit load dynamic library files into the game folder what causes stability issues.

If you don't crash with it your game is probably 'not modded enough'. (still it doesn't mean it doesn't reduce your stability)

What exactly qualifies as 'modded enough'? I'm currently at c. 230 plug-ins and 300 mods, am I close? What about yorself?

Why does having dll files in your game folder affect the stability of the game? Do you mean the folder which contains TESV.exe? I've got about 6 or so dll file in the root of that folder and problably (almost definitely) more in the sub-folders. None of them are from TESVEdit and I'm on version v. 4.0.1 as far as I can see. My TESVEdit is installed in the root of my F: drive.

 

My game is rock-solid stable because, like most people who know what they are doing, I use Crash Fixes, ENBoost (though I use an ENB preset nowadays) and let LOOT deal with my load order and don't worry about it looking 'logical'.

 

It's not a spelling issue, they are two completely different words with two completely different meanings.

[marktwain123]

1 hour ago, Psalam said:

First, let me go on record as supporting everything that Grey Cloud has told you. All his advice will work toward making your game more stable.

 

Second, what he told you about meshes is also accurate.

 

Finally, your "location" CTDs are almost certainly caused by having an out of date version of MoreNastyCritters loaded. I know yours is out of date because it loads SexLabNudeCreatures which is known to cause that type of CTD. So, your next step, after doing everything Grey Cloud has already sagely suggested, is to get rid of your old version of MNC and load the newest (SLAL) version. Be careful to assiduously follow MadMansGun directions. It is not hard but it can be particular.

 

Happy hunting!

Yeah I did what he said to do and now im running pretty stable, It even allowed me to run some graphic mods that previously crashed my game like 4K trees and textures. 

I was able to travel just about everywhere and go into buildings with out crashing or infinite loading screens.

 

Im now 2 hours in since i fiddled with it and it only crashed once, probably due o my load order.

[Grey Cloud]

6 minutes ago, marktwain123 said:

It even allowed me to run some graphic mods that previously crashed my game like 4K trees and textures

4k stuff will eat your VRAM. 2k is more than adequate for normal gameplay. 4k and above is fine if all you do is screen archery. Also, why waste it on trees and the like? How much time do you spend looking at them?

 

LOOT is good 99% of the time.

19 hours ago, marktwain123 said:

brawlbug-plugin.esp=1

Don't know what that is but most people would use this one:

Modern Brawl Bug

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/77465

[yatol]

another one of those topics? don't look like that step guide is very effective^^

18 hours ago, marktwain123 said:

My game crashes when i enter certain spots on the map like near Falkreath Winterhold and various places on the map.

 

how is that random if you can reproduce it in the ctd zone?

18 hours ago, marktwain123 said:

I sometimes get infinite loading screens when entering buildings or cities like Whiterun

infinite loop in a broken script, not so "harmless" the stack dumps

 

18 hours ago, marktwain123 said:

I've sorted my load order with LOOT and cleaned what it told me to with TES5Edit but the crashes keep coming.

that's supposed to allow you to equip a tbbp armor without a tbbp skeleton? or allow the game to start a dialog with a npc that isn't there? or load a door that have no destination in the navmesh?

 

all loot do, it's putting plugins under their master (because with skyrim launcher, moving around mods... but that's no longer a problem now, and you have an icon on plugins above their master in mod managers now)

cleaning those esp that only delete unmodified records from those esp (keeping or deleting them... doesn't change anything, unless unmodified record overwrite a mod, or is there in case a mod overwrite vanilla)

 

 

no idea what op is expecting, those topics, it's the same as asking a mechanic why your car doesn't work, hoping he can do something with airbag, assisted direction, back seat, autoradio x (the car load order)

[TheArchlich]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

What exactly qualifies as 'modded enough'? I'm currently at c. 230 plug-ins and 300 mods, am I close? What about yorself?

Why does having dll files in your game folder affect the stability of the game? Do you mean the folder which contains TESV.exe? I've got about 6 or so dll file in the root of that folder and problably (almost definitely) more in the sub-folders. None of them are from TESVEdit and I'm on version v. 4.0.1 as far as I can see. My TESVEdit is installed in the root of my F: drive.

 

My game is rock-solid stable because, like most people who know what they are doing, I use Crash Fixes, ENBoost (though I use an ENB preset nowadays) and let LOOT deal with my load order and don't worry about it looking 'logical'.

 

It's not a spelling issue, they are two completely different words with two completely different meanings.

1.) Number of plugins doesn't say how heavy they are. +PC performance also matters

2.) if you use crash fixes and enboost it's a proove you have no clue what you are doing (those are just setting presets by other people. Why won't you set it up yourself?).

3.) You didn't install TES5edit in the default location so how is it supposed to affect Skyrim? Do you have any clue how Windows works? Same if you in stall it on another PC it won't crush your Skyrim. (I assume that inexperienced users don't mess with file pathways).

[TheArchlich]

Lemme guess? It's still crashing....

 

I'm out of this thread, the guy doesn't want to fix the problem then it's on him.

 

stop tagging me

[GenioMaestro]

1 hour ago, TheArchlich said:

The new versions of TES5edit load dynamic library files into the game folder what causes stability issues.

If you don't crash with it your game is probably 'not modded enough'. (still it doesn't mean it doesn't reduce your stability)

Are you saying that when we launch the executable Tes5Edit.exe, it copies DLL files to the Game directory ???
Can you prove that in some way ???

 

To my knowledge, Tes5Edit.exe is a program external to the game and can read and modify the game files. Obviously, if a bad modification is made with Tes5Edit it can ruin the game.

 

Say that the game is damaged or that the stability of the game is reduced simply by having Tes5Edit installed does not make any sense.

[TheArchlich]

30 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said:

Are you saying that when we launch the executable Tes5Edit.exe, it copies DLL files to the Game directory ???
Can you prove that in some way ???

 

To my knowledge, Tes5Edit.exe is a program external to the game and can read and modify the game files. Obviously, if a bad modification is made with Tes5Edit it can ruin the game.

 

Say that the game is damaged or that the stability of the game is reduced simply by having Tes5Edit installed does not make any sense.

I didn't try running TES5edit without installing it. Probably not. Still if you install it with any kind of mod manager it will land there.

Now if you just unpack a loose copy of TES5edit to a random place on your PC (which is not an 'installation process' BTW) nothing will happen probably.

And I said uninstall TES5edit, not remove all it's files from your PC.

 

And yes having TES5edit files together with your Skyrim executables will have a negative impact on your game stability.

[yatol]

56 minutes ago, TheArchlich said:

1.) Number of plugins doesn't say how heavy they are. +PC performance also matters

2.) if you use crash fixes and enboost it's a proove you have no clue what you are doing (those are just setting presets by other people. Why won't you set it up yourself?).

3.) You didn't install TES5edit in the default location so how is it supposed to affect Skyrim? Do you have any clue how Windows works? Same if you in stall it on another PC it won't crush your Skyrim. (I assume that inexperienced users don't mess with file pathways).

1) heavy esp? what is that supposed to be?

a 100 mb summerset esp?

it's just a big esp, that make loading time longer (lot of persistant stuff in that worldspace)

a less than 1mb wet&cold?

if giving those scripts to npc it's stack dump paradise, that don't mean the mod is script heavy, it just mean it's missing conditions to not load those active effects for nothing

 

 

2) something called nothing special edition was released, because with the 32 bit .exe, 4k texture pack make no sense

but they were done, because there's something called enb, that come with an enbhost.exe that take textures from skyrim.exe (even if you don't use an enb preset, it's stupid to not use enb)

 

and what's the problem with downloading a preset? you are supposed to edit default enb preset instead of another preset that look like what you want?

 

3) that trolling don't make much sense, game is supposed to be crush too if you dare create a pikachu folder in skyrim folder, and if you create ctd folder, you start having ctd?