[SOLVED] Can't Seem to Shake This Crash! Help Please!

[MadMansGun]

13 minutes ago, LordZulten said:

Generated files redirected to D:\zFNIS

i've never seen this line before.

 

and SexlabAroused.esm should be above CreatureFramework.esm in your load order.

[GenioMaestro]

22 minutes ago, LordZulten said:

Alright! I have removed the "fix" for the SetVehicle thing, and hid that file in MO. Here is the updated SKSE log:

 

I still receive the crash, despite the log seeming to be in better shape.

____________________________________________________________________

 

Removed MNC and re-ran FNIS, still getting the same crash.

 

Here is the updated FNIS Log: 

Obviously, the CTD is not caused by that dll, but it is better to eliminate it.

 

If your CTD is not caused by an incorrect DLL or excesive animations, since SE has no memory problems, it can only be caused by a bad mesh and the only way I know to locate it is to remove the mods until the CTD disappears.

Start with the bashed patch and any merge you may have.

If it persists, remove half of yours mod's and try again. Continue eliminating mod's until the CTD is resolved.

Then, begin to enable mod's slowly, no more than 5 or 10 in a group.

[LordZulten]

5 minutes ago, MadMansGun said:

i've never seen this line before.

 

and SexlabAroused.esm should be above CreatureFramework.esm in your load order.

This is the file redirection feature built into the new FNIS. If you enable it, you can choose where FNIS outputs the files. I do this because for some reason MO and FNIS don't cooperate and FNIS will not overwrite or write "new" idles within a MO directory.

All you have to do is add "RedirectFiles=(path)" to the arguments in FNIS's executable (without quotes).

 

8 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said:

Obviously, the CTD is not caused by that dll, but it is better to eliminate it.

 

If your CTD is not caused by an incorrect DLL or excesive animations, since SE has no memory problems, it can only be caused by a bad mesh and the only way I know to locate it is to remove the mods until the CTD disappears.

Start with the bashed patch and any merge you may have.

If it persists, remove half of yours mod's and try again. Continue eliminating mod's until the CTD is resolved.

Then, begin to enable mod's slowly, no more than 5 or 10 in a group.

 

I'm wondering why this would cause a crash in a cell, or worldspace when nothing is really happening ingame. Is it because the mods are activating over time? Would a Papyrus log help me narrow down which mod might be causing the problem?

Always welcoming suggestions. In the mean time I will try your suggestion.

[MadMansGun]

14 minutes ago, LordZulten said:

I'm wondering why this would cause a crash in a cell, or worldspace when nothing is really happening ingame. Is it because the mods are activating over time? Would a Papyrus log help me narrow down which mod might be causing the problem?

Always welcoming suggestions. In the mean time I will try your suggestion.

a crash in the same area of the world can be caused by a deleted reference in one mod that another mod is trying to use:

https://wiki.step-project.com/TES5Edit/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Instructions

https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=TES5Edit_Mod_Cleaning_Tutorial

 

another thing could be a bad mesh getting applied onto something, but that can be much harder to track down.

[GenioMaestro]

22 hours ago, LordZulten said:

I have the latest skyrim, skse, and version of all of my mods. I keep getting a crash before I exit the Alternate Start cell. It almost seems timed (Maybe it's from a certain mod activating?) as I get the crash even if I leave the starter cell and load into the Skyrim world.

 

39 minutes ago, LordZulten said:

I'm wondering why this would cause a crash in a cell, or worldspace when nothing is really happening ingame. Is it because the mods are activating over time? Would a Papyrus log help me narrow down which mod might be causing the problem?

Always welcoming suggestions. In the mean time I will try your suggestion.

I'm sorry but the papyrus log say near nothing about the cause of the CTD. Is a buffered file and the last lines of the log are never writen if the game make CTD. Some times can have clues but not more.

 

Your first message is not too clear for me. You say "crash before I exit the Alternate Start cell" and "I get the crash even if I leave the starter cell and load into the Skyrim world" but you not specify HOW you exit the cell.

With Alternate Start you can select a lot of ways for start the game talking to the Mara statue, you can select "i want exit this cell" or select vanilla start or select a house or any inn or any faction...

Each way is diferent and maybe some of the ways not give you CTD. What ways have you try?

 

If you ALWAYS have the CTD when exit to open world can be a problem in a mod that alter terrain, vegetation, creatures, npc's or armors or weapons... can be the ilumination mod or the climate mod... all of them must be used for see exterior cell.

If you start in a inn you not have climates mod and not have creatures but have ilumination and have npc's armors and weapons. If you start in a house not have any other npc and only can be ilumination or the armor/weapons in your player. You can try diferent houses for have diferent armors and weapons and diferent interior mesh.

Of course, the problem can be in a interior mesh but is strange because normally the interior cell is too diferent to the exterior cells.

 

For all of this i ask:    HOW you exit the cell??  What ways have you try??

 

All of this info can be usseful for locate the problematic mod. But is much more fast the brute way, imo.

Remove half of yours mod's and look. If the CTD persist remove more mod's. When disappear start enable mod's until locate the problem.

 

The CTD may NOT be related to an exclusively mod and may be related to the loading order or compatibility patches and we need the requested information to try to help you find a complex CTD.

[LordZulten]

12 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said:

 

I'm sorry but the papyrus log say near nothing about the cause of the CTD. Is a buffered file and the last lines of the log are never writen if the game make CTD. Some times can have clues but not more.

 

Your first message is not too clear for me. You say "crash before I exit the Alternate Start cell" and "I get the crash even if I leave the starter cell and load into the Skyrim world" but you not specify HOW you exit the cell.

With Alternate Start you can select a lot of ways for start the game talking to the Mara statue, you can select "i want exit this cell" or select vanilla start or select a house or any inn or any faction...

Each way is diferent and maybe some of the ways not give you CTD. What ways have you try?

 

If you ALWAYS have the CTD when exit to open world can be a problem in a mod that alter terrain, vegetation, creatures, npc's or armors or weapons... can be the ilumination mod or the climate mod... all of them must be used for see exterior cell.

If you start in a inn you not have climates mod and not have creatures but have ilumination and have npc's armors and weapons. If you start in a house not have any other npc and only can be ilumination or the armor/weapons in your player. 

Of course, the problem can be in a interior mesh but is strange because normally the interior cell is too diferent to the exterior cells.

 

For all of this i ask:    HOW you exit the cell??  What ways have you try??

 

All of this info can be usseful for locate the problematic mod. But is much more fast the brute way, imo.

Remove half of yours mod's and look. If the CTD persist remove more mod's. When disappear start enable mod's until locate the problem.

 

The CTD may NOT be related to an exclusively mod and may be related to the loading order or compatibility patches and we need the requested information to try to help you find a complex CTD.

 

I am familiar with the brute way, and I'm sure I'll have to do this in order to get my game working. 

 

To answer your question a little better, basically I have until just after the first autosave when the game crashes. I can activate the mara statue and choose any fate (the one I was choosing was "camping in woods") and quickly sleep and get to the world, but in time the game will crash. 

 

It is occurring before all of the mods become active.. basically as the status updates are occurring in the top corner.

 

If I do nothing the game will crash after the first autosave. Leaving the cell/location doesn't seem to have any effect.

 

UPDATE:

I'm periodically checking this thread as I deactivate my mods and re-activate them little-by-little.

[Psalam]

Spoiler

3 minutes ago, LordZulten said:

 

I am familiar with the brute way, and I'm sure I'll have to do this in order to get my game working. 

 

To answer your question a little better, basically I have until just after the first autosave when the game crashes. I can activate the mara statue and choose any fate (the one I was choosing was "camping in woods") and quickly sleep and get to the world, but in time the game will crash. 

 

It is occurring before all of the mods become active.. basically as the status updates are occurring in the top corner.

 

If I do nothing the game will crash after the first autosave. Leaving the cell/location doesn't seem to have any effect.

 

UPDATE:

I'm periodically checking this thread as I deactivate my mods and re-activate them little-by-little.

 

 

If I may, try doing this. Start your game, and don't activate the Mara statue until ALL your mods become active. This will, of course, take several minutes during which time you can activate some of the MCM menus (I usually start with SexLab). Only activate the Mara statue AFTER all the mods are activated including any (like animations) that need to be registered. If you CTD you may have a better idea of what is causing it. If you CTD after leaving then you will know that it is not the mods "starting" that does it but something extraneous.

[GenioMaestro]

19 minutes ago, LordZulten said:

If I do nothing the game will crash after the first autosave. Leaving the cell/location doesn't seem to have any effect.

This is a BIG clue.

Like Psalam say, start your game and make nothing... simply wait until all the messages disappear, near 1 minute or 2... maybe 3...

If your game make CTD while you make nothing is a problem in the initialization of a mod.

But we not have a way for know what is except use brute force.

 

Edit: I think in a mod that is NOT compatible with SSE.

[LordZulten]

44 minutes ago, Psalam said:

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If I may, try doing this. Start your game, and don't activate the Mara statue until ALL your mods become active. This will, of course, take several minutes during which time you can activate some of the MCM menus (I usually start with SexLab). Only activate the Mara statue AFTER all the mods are activated including any (like animations) that need to be registered. If you CTD you may have a better idea of what is causing it. If you CTD after leaving then you will know that it is not the mods "starting" that does it but something extraneous.

 

38 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said:

This is a BIG clue.

Like Psalam say, start your game and make nothing... simply wait until all the messages disappear, near 1 minute or 2... maybe 3...

If your game make CTD while you make nothing is a problem in the initialization of a mod.

But we not have a way for know what is except use brute force.

 

Edit: I think in a mod that is NOT compatible with SSE.

 

The game is crashing BEFORE the mods completely initialize. I am probably about 1/4 the way through my mods now with no crashes. Will keep you guys posted if I discover any additional info. Thanks for sticking around!

 

[Psalam]

Spoiler

Just now, LordZulten said:

 

 

The game is crashing BEFORE the mods completely initialize. I am probably about 1/4 the way through my mods now with no crashes. Will keep you guys posted if I discover any additional info. Thanks for sticking around!

 

 

 

We understood that. However, most of us who use ASLAL use it as much for the feature we are instructing you to use as for a change from the Helgen scene. You see, while you are in the prison cell there are not all the external stresses on the game that you get when you are out in Skyrim (whether in the Helgen scene) or just out playing the game. So, often a load order that won't work with Helgen (or with having started Skyrim with ASLAL) WILL work if given time to process in a peaceful jail cell. This is why it is, as GenioMaestro says, a BIG clue. If you crash in the cell your problem is likely a bad mod (as he said likely one not compatible with SSE). If the problem only occurs when you get back out into Skyrim or doesn't occur at all your problem is of an entirely different nature (it may still be a bad mod but it's one that's incompatible with the Skyrim setting).

[Pfiffy]

Well first thing I stumble over is you don't check for gender specific anims... Test it 'just in case'.

Do you have the same problem if you start without LAL?

Have you already run Nif scan?  (choose the -fix dds option. It might mess up some anim objects, but at least it will make all nifs some sort of 'fail-safe'

There are still a lot of problems with defeat... another candidate for 'try without'

 

 

4 hours ago, MadMansGun said:

Delete the SetVehicleFixPlugin.dll

 

Pfiffy keeps forgetting to delete it from the SSE version of MNC.

Well, I usually forget it, because it does no harm.....

[LordZulten]

12 minutes ago, Pfiffy said:

Well first thing I stumble over is you don't check for gender specific anims... Test it 'just in case'.

Do you have the same problem if you start without LAL?

Have you already run Nif scan?  (choose the -fix dds option. It might mess up some anim objects, but at least it will make all nifs some sort of 'fail-safe'

There are still a lot of problems with defeat... another candidate for 'try without'

 

 

Well, I usually forget it, because it does no harm.....

At first I was running the Gender Specific anims, but FNIS was giving me the "no folder for male/female" leading me to believe that it wasn't necessary. 

 

I haven't tried without LAL, but I did try without Defeat and Devious Captures (dependent on Defeat) and still had the crash. I've nearly had enough for the day.. I am about 78 esps into my "brute method" and it's all starting to look like a blur. I have a lot of the core Loverslab mods active and I will continue to work on this more tomorrow.  Thanks for the help so far and if you guys come up with any other ideas, send them my way.

 

If anyone is curious, here is my load order so far:

NOTE: I have been sorting with LOOT so some of these may not be sorted properly.

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# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
CBBE.esl
SexLab.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
CreatureFramework.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
SkyUI_SE.esp
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
FNIS.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
RaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
FloraRespawnFix.esp
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp
HentaiCreatures.esp
Bijin AIO.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
Serana.esp
Valerica.esp
zzEstrus.esp
EstrusChaurus.esp
BetterQuestObjectives - BCS Patch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
MilkModNEW.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
MilkModNEW CF.esp
MilkModNEW HF.esp
MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp
SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
Visible Favorited Gear.esp
NewmillerPiercings2.esp
NewmillerPiercings3.esp
GIST soul trap.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
Runandwalkpaces.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
AHZLootableCratesSE.esp
Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
TKAA.esp
MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp
ogFalkreathHauntings.esp
SOS - Shop.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Elemental_Staffs.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Ars Metallica - LSC Patch.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
BikiniAscendVolume1.esp
SexLabDefeat.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
 

 

[Psalam]

Spoiler

7 minutes ago, LordZulten said:

At first I was running the Gender Specific anims, but FNIS was giving me the "no folder for male/female" leading me to believe that it wasn't necessary. 

 

I haven't tried without LAL, but I did try without Defeat and Devious Captures (dependent on Defeat) and still had the crash. I've nearly had enough for the day.. I am about 78 esps into my "brute method" and it's all starting to look like a blur. I have a lot of the core Loverslab mods active and I will continue to work on this more tomorrow.  Thanks for the help so far and if you guys come up with any other ideas, send them my way.

 

If anyone is curious, here is my load order so far:

NOTE: I have been sorting with LOOT so some of these may not be sorted properly.

  Reveal hidden contents

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
CBBE.esl
SexLab.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
CreatureFramework.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
SkyUI_SE.esp
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
FNIS.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
RaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
FloraRespawnFix.esp
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp
HentaiCreatures.esp
Bijin AIO.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
Serana.esp
Valerica.esp
zzEstrus.esp
EstrusChaurus.esp
BetterQuestObjectives - BCS Patch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
MilkModNEW.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
MilkModNEW CF.esp
MilkModNEW HF.esp
MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp
SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
Visible Favorited Gear.esp
NewmillerPiercings2.esp
NewmillerPiercings3.esp
GIST soul trap.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
Runandwalkpaces.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
AHZLootableCratesSE.esp
Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
TKAA.esp
MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp
ogFalkreathHauntings.esp
SOS - Shop.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Elemental_Staffs.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Ars Metallica - LSC Patch.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
BikiniAscendVolume1.esp
SexLabDefeat.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
 

 

 

 

Sleep well.

[LordZulten]

Believe it or not I have been working on my crash all day and have finally discovered (at least with 80% certainty) that my crash is from RRRRRIRIIIIIIIIIGIMOOOORRRRRRRRR... RIIIIIIIGMOOOR...

 

Anyway according to the Brexus page:

 

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Q: I get a CTD with Immersive Armors installed.
A: Uncheck Rigmor.esp, reconfig IA, recheck Rigmor.

 

And I was able to get it functioning in my load order by ticking the mod at the end of the Alternate Start sequence, after the rest of the mods have loaded (and IA configured.) If I run a new game with Rigmor.esp enabled I will have a crash every time. 

 

To further test my theory I enabled a lot more mods and still was able to get my game working so long as Rigmor.esp was unchecked. Hope this helps someone and I thank all of you for your help and patience.

 

I will try to edit my post to [SOLVED] but if I can't a mod should!