Load Issues - CTD Every Time - SOLVED!

[C5Kev]

Trying to figure out what happened to my game. I got a couple of updates on Win 10 and as a result, my game was fucked. Woke up the other day and my rig had rebooted with a Win Update screen displayed. Oh great, thanks Bill.

 

Anyway, I'm slowly getting things resolved (I think) and after many re-installs, the game is at least running again, but now I CTD every time I try to load a save (99%). Weird because I have Crash Fixes & Load Game CTD Fix installed. Looking at my Papyrus log - which I don't understand - it looks like I might have a USLEEP problem? Maybe with a mod?  Then I saw LOOT was placing Lanterns Of Skyrim in between Dragonborm.esm and USLEEP and thought I found the problem.  But alas, it's still there.  I'll try a new game with the changed load order, but wanted to bounce this off you guys because you're all smarter than I about this shit. 

 

I've posted my Load Order & Pap log and hopefully someone can see an issue.  The Load Order isn't what many say is "the right way", but with my latest issues, I've been letting LOOT do things...

 

Thanks everyone for looking.

 

Papyrus.0.log

Load Order 12-14-2018.txt

[Grey Cloud]

2 minutes ago, C5Kev said:

Oh great, thanks Bill.

Bill's not been there for several years.

[C5Kev]

2 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Bill's not been there for several years.

 

?   Didn't know that...   Hate his eugenics ass anyway.

[GenioMaestro]

33 minutes ago, C5Kev said:

Trying to figure out what happened to my game. I got a couple of updates on Win 10 and as a result, my game was fucked. Woke up the other day and my rig had rebooted with a Win Update screen displayed. Oh great, thanks Bill.

As i said in the other post, the automatic updates of Win10 can make a lot of aberrant things.

I disable the automatic updates in all my machines years ago, from WinXP, and ALWAYS have it as "Download but let me decide when and what install"

 

About your CTD, i'm not sure about if you refer to load a Savegame generated today or if you try load a OLD savegame that come from before your main problem.

 

If you try load an OLD savegame can happend a lot of things, from different load order to diferent mod's with diferent dll's and is a big history. Detail it and i try help you as i can.

 

If your CTD happend when load a Savegame generated today can be a problem in some of the main core mod's used for store data, like PapyrusUtil and JContaines. Reinstall/Upgrade to the last version and let it overwite all, and i say ALL inclusive SexLab with the new PapyrusUtil 3.3

 

If problem persist, the only way for locate the problem is disable mod's until the CTD disappear.

 

And about your concern about USLEEP, not worry, ALL players have that in the log. USLEEP can not work if the older individual patch are installed and the only way for know it is ask about it. Like USLEEP ask about mod's that not exist the log generate some errors. Not worry, is totally normal.

[Grey Cloud]

1 minute ago, C5Kev said:

 

?   Didn't know that...   Hate his eugenics ass anyway.

Just looking at your load order and not seeing anything obvious though it does look a mess. I don't use Lanterns of Skyrim so I can't comment on that, though I have seen other load orders on here with it in the same place.

Which ENB are you using that needs 2 lighting mods plus LoS?

 

Surely you don't need all 3? Either torches and no candles; candles and no torches or candles and torches?

41 29     Smoking Torches and Candles.esp
 42 2a     Smoking Torches.esp
 43 2b     Smoking Candles.esp

 

You have SLAL loaded but don't appear to have any animation packs.

 

Have look at JKs Cities - Lite and SuperLite  https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71018 and save yourself some resources. (I use the LITE version myself).

 

What is it that needs all the havoc stuff?

 

I don't know anything about scripts but I can read and yours has errors for SF_TweakP1Pose_02017788

[C5Kev]

6 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said:

As i said in the other post, the automatic updates of Win10 can make a lot of aberrant things.

I disable the automatic updates in all my machines years ago, from WinXP, and ALWAYS have it as "Download but let me deciden when and what install"

 

About your CTD, i'm not sure about if you refer to load a Savegame generated today or if you try load a OLD savegame that come from before your main problem.

 

If you try load an OLD savegame can happend a lot of things, from different load order to diferent mod's with diferent dll's and is a big history. Detail it and i try help you as i can.

 

If your CTD happend when load a Savegame generated today can be a problem in some of the main core mod's used for store data, like PapyrusUtil and Jcontaines. Reinstall/Upgrade to the last version and let it overwite all, and i say ALL inclusive SexLab with the new PapyrusUtil 3.3 

 

If problem persist, the only way for locate the problem is disable mod's until the CTD disappear.

 

And about your concern about USLEEP, not worry, ALL players have that in the log. USLEEP can not work if the older individual patch are installed and the only way for know it is ask about it. Like USLEEP ask about mod's that not exist the log generate a error. Not worry, is totally normal.

 

...USLEEP, not worry.    Ah, OK - cool. Thanks!

 

The saves are new...   ...what a minute...  ...PapyrusUtil...   ...I know I need that, but forget for what.  Fuck, forgot that one.   All mods should be the "latest & greatest". Not sure on all of them, but try to stay away from really old mods.

 

I just tried a reload and it worked, the next try failed.  Let me start a new game with "fresh" shit and let me see what happens.  Thanks GM.

 

[C5Kev]

12 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Just looking at your load order and not seeing anything obvious though it does look a mess. I don't use Lanterns of Skyrim so I can't comment on that, though I have seen other load orders on here with it in the same place.

Which ENB are you using that needs 2 lighting mods plus LoS?

 

Surely you don't need all 3? Either torches and no candles; candles and no torches or candles and torches?

41 29     Smoking Torches and Candles.esp
 42 2a     Smoking Torches.esp
 43 2b     Smoking Candles.esp

 

You have SLAL loaded but don't appear to have any animation packs.

 

Have look at JKs Cities - Lite and SuperLite  https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71018 and save yourself some resources. (I use the LITE version myself).

 

What is it that needs all the havoc stuff?

 

I don't know anything about scripts but I can read and yours has errors for SF_TweakP1Pose_02017788

 

Hey GC,  If my LO is a mess, it's due to LOOT.     Using Rudy ENB w/ NLA and ELFX.  What 2 lighting mods?   The Smoking Torches - I didn't understand the "files" page. The 1st esp is the main, the other 2 were 'fixed" esps, but perhaps for older versions. It doesn't say.  Think I'll disable them anyhow 'cuz it seems weird.

 

No ani packs yet...wanted to get main stuff up and running before installing more extra stuff.  SLAL is sort of a "placemarker" if you will.

 

Havoc - I use Cherry H's HDT.xml.  Any "extra" havoc is a havok object I place in my inventory for collisions to work. they stop when wearing gauntlets / gloves.

 

SF_TweakP1Pose_02017788  -  Saw that too, but I have no idea what that is, what it's for or what mod.

 

[C5Kev]

Gonna visit the Sexlab / MNC install / load order page again and move things around, then start a new game and see what happens. Having PapUtil's back in probably helps. 

[C5Kev]

Well, here's an updated LO...the only thing I can think of that's different from by previous installs is the Bijin-AIO.esp, which I've turned off and enabled the Bijin mods individually.  That seemed to help, but only on occasion. Seems to be hit-or-miss...very frustrating.

Load Order 12-14-2018.txt

[GenioMaestro]

7 hours ago, C5Kev said:

Well, here's an updated LO...the only thing I can think of that's different from by previous installs is the Bijin-AIO.esp, which I've turned off and enabled the Bijin mods individually.  That seemed to help, but only on occasion. Seems to be hit-or-miss...very frustrating.

Load Order 12-14-2018.txt

It's weird...

I do not use Bijin but I doubt that your CTD could be caused by a mod used by thousands of players.

If you think that the CTD is caused by Bijin, simply disable it, ALL the Bijin mods, and try again.

 

I think can have more probabilities one of the mod's that change mesh like:

 37 25     Real Roads.esp
 38 26     JKs Skyrim.esp
 39 27     RealisticWaterTwo.esp
 41 29     RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
 43 2b     CinematicFireFX.esp
 44 2c     Smoking Torches and Candles.esp
 47 2f     Vivid Landscapes.esp
 49 31     Natural Lighting and Atmospherics.esp
 56 38     Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
 57 39     Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp

 

I presume you have run all this mod's before and your machine can handle it.

But you can have a memory problem or a bad configuration in ENB. Try disable ENB.

If any of theses mod's have a bad mesh the game can make CTD.

Normally, must make it on start or while walking in the world.

If you only have the CTD on load can be a load order problem or a missing compatibility patch.

 

Make a test... Open the game and while you are in the main menu, press the console key (yes, works in the main menu) and type coc qasmoke for be transfered to the test cell.

Save your game while you are in test cell and load it some times.

If you NOT have CTD you can have a problem with load order or with some of the mod's that alter mesh.

If you have CTD you can have a problem with DLL's

 

Take a look at the folder in DATA\SKSE\plugins.

If you have reinstalled the game in the same folder you had previously without deleting your oldest DATA folder, you may have some garbage, such as incorrect DLLs in DATA\SKSE\plugins.

Think a little... SKSE.exe is a dll injector. Simply, start the game, freeze it and inject ALL the DLL files that are in DATA\SKSE\plugins without looking load order or mods enabled. If the dll exists in the folder, the dll is injected.

You can look in Documents\My Games\Skyrim\SKSE\skse.log what dll's are inyected and maybe the cause of the CRASH explained.

Or can look in DATA\SKSE\plugins\CrashFixPluginLog.txt the cause of the CTD but a lot of times not say any ussefull.

Other option is upload the CTD dump file to http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=Analyze and look what dll is causing problems.

[Psalam]

Spoiler

7 hours ago, C5Kev said:

Well, here's an updated LO...the only thing I can think of that's different from by previous installs is the Bijin-AIO.esp, which I've turned off and enabled the Bijin mods individually.  That seemed to help, but only on occasion. Seems to be hit-or-miss...very frustrating.

Load Order 12-14-2018.txt

 

 

If we're going to take our best guess (and GenioMaestro is usually right and I'm usually wrong) I would favor removing Facelight. It was not all that long ago there was a Technical Thread where that one was the problem. I know it has a large following but it also has a lot of detractors. I would encourage you to at least start a game without it and see what happens.

[Grey Cloud]

11 hours ago, C5Kev said:

Hey GC,  If my LO is a mess, it's due to LOOT. 

I meant the content rather than the batting order.

 

11 hours ago, C5Kev said:

w/ NLA and ELFX.  What 2 lighting mods? 

How about NLA and ELFX?

 

11 hours ago, C5Kev said:

The Smoking Torches

I don't understand why you need this with an ENB anyway. All fires, torches, candles etc give off smoke in my game with an ENB.

 

11 hours ago, C5Kev said:

SF_TweakP1Pose

I've no idea either but I would look for mods which were called Sxxxx Fxxxx or had something to do with posing.

 

1 hour ago, GenioMaestro said:

I think can have more probabilities one of the mod's that change mesh like:

 37 25     Real Roads.esp
 38 26     JKs Skyrim.esp
 39 27     RealisticWaterTwo.esp
 41 29     RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
 43 2b     CinematicFireFX.esp
 44 2c     Smoking Torches and Candles.esp
 47 2f     Vivid Landscapes.esp
 49 31     Natural Lighting and Atmospherics.esp
 56 38     Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
 57 39     Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp

Yes and that is one of the reasons I use JK's Skyrim LITE - it fixes a lot of problems in the original by JK. I also chose an ENB which allowed me to see what I'm doing without the need for a dozen other lighting mods.

 

You've been struggling with this problem for over a week now. My advice would be to remove all mods and run the vanilla game. Once you are satisfied that it is stable then, as Genio has said, reinstall your mods a few at a time.

 

As one last clutching at straws attempt, I would double-check my ENB set up and all my ini settings. (I'd recommend the S.T.E.P. guides for the inis).

[C5Kev]

Wow, this really has me stumped. I disabled all mods and re-enabled only the ones I felt were somewhat necessary (besides the obvious ones) and I still crash when loading. I re-installed USLEEP in the event I got a weird DL, but of course that did nothing. Loading seems to stop due to USLEEP, but what do I know...

Load Order 12-15-2018.txt

Papyrus.0.log

[GenioMaestro]

26 minutes ago, C5Kev said:

Wow, this really has me stumped. I disabled all mods and re-enabled only the ones I felt were somewhat necessary (besides the obvious ones) and I still crash when loading. I re-installed USLEEP in the event I got a weird DL, but of course that did nothing. Loading seems to stop due to USLEEP, but what do I know...

Load Order 12-15-2018.txt

Papyrus.0.log

With 30 mod's you must not have any problem, the game can run 300 mod's and my game have now 207.

 

Answer me a simple question, please:

Have you installed the game in the SAME folder that you have before all yours problems???

Have you DELETE your OLDER DATA folder???

 

Maybe you only have trash from your older installation and the game go crazy.

One simple option is rename the folders mesh, textures and Scripts inside DATA and try again.

I think you can have a bad script that is launched in OnPlayerLoadGame and call a faulting or bad dll.

 

Other option is un-install the game, delete the skyrim folder and start again from scratch.

 

And not worry about the content of the papyrus.log because never say why have the CTD.

Is a bufered file and the last lines of the log are never writen. Is totally unusefull for know the cause of the CTD.

[Psalam]

Not that he needs any affirmation from me but I agree with everything GenioMaestro said. I might try eliminating all mods and seeing what happens with just the vanilla game before I started deleting everything but it may very well come to that (after all, that's what Donttouchmethere's blog is really about).

[C5Kev]

GM - you're absolutely right.  I had about as many as you have now and it ran like dream. Then, one day - POOF! - I believe because of a Win 10 update. What else could explain it?

 

I had deleted everything prior. Even moved everything over to my D:\ drive at one time and had some issues - been so many I don't remember which now. Previous install I had the game on C:\Steam and mod archives on D:\.  This last install I wanted the game and all mod shit on C:\ - my SSD. There was no residual stuff as the game / mods, etc. had been wiped clean on previous installs. 

 

I do have an archive of the last install with just SKSE and I can certainly look into using that. But what good does that do? I'm not playing a vanilla game and neither would you guys.  Without knowing what's causing the problem, that seems kinda moot. And one can see from the LO there's no "weird-oh" mods, just one's that millions already use.  I don't know if this is truly a "game" issue or perhaps maybe a "Win 10" issue due to their stupid updates. 

 

Well, at least my game starts now, just that I can never turn off my computer or do anything else on it until I at least kill Alduin.  ?   Why am I laughing?

 

Well guys, I do appreciate all your efforts to diagnose this long distance. And as such, you can have one free copy of any of the silly mods I have on LL.  Oh Boy!

 

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, C5Kev said:

This last install I wanted the game and all mod shit on C:\ - my SSD.

Okay. Stupid question but how much free space do you have left on the SSD?

[C5Kev]

7 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Okay. Stupid question but how much free space do you have left on the SSD?

 

333GB

 

[Grey Cloud]

4 minutes ago, C5Kev said:

 

333GB

 

Just another straw-clutching exercise, lack of free space can make strange things happen.

[C5Kev]

1 minute ago, Grey Cloud said:

Just another straw-clutching exercise, lack of free space can make strange things happen.

 

Yeah, I don't get this at all and I think everyone's running out of ideas. I know I have.   I just blew everything out again and unzipping my "game plus SKSE / basics" archive. guess we'll see what happens again this time.  I'm convinced if I keep doing the same thing, I'll have a different result.  ?

 

[Grey Cloud]

1 minute ago, C5Kev said:

 

Yeah, I don't get this at all and I think everyone's running out of ideas. I know I have.   I just blew everything out again and unzipping my "game plus SKSE / basics" archive. guess we'll see what happens again this time.  I'm convinced if I keep doing the same thing, I'll have a different result.  ?

 

Jeez man. You nearly gave me a heart attack there. I'm happily typing away in another thread with my head phones on. Quiet as until the notification sound launched in. Just off to change my underwear. ?

 

Good luck with the install. Remember , make sure you get rid of all the old and concentrate on getting vanilla stable before modding.

[C5Kev]

OK - well...   Game unzipped, just necessary .esm's, Hi-Res packs, SKSE, SkyUI & RaceMenu.  Started vanilla intro via SKSE.  Everything was swirling around, carts flipping, etc.  Hmmm, I don't remember it starting like this in the past.     Exit.  Started vanilla via TESV.exe.   Everything was swirling around, carts flipping, etc.  Hmmm, I don't remember it starting like this in the past.   

[C5Kev]

5 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Jeez man. You nearly gave me a heart attack there. I'm happily typing away in another thread with my head phones on. Quiet as until the notification sound launched in. Just off to change my underwear. ?

 

Good luck with the install. Remember , make sure you get rid of all the old and concentrate on getting vanilla stable before modding.

 

Tell it to CPU...  I had nuttin' to do with it.   ?

 

[C5Kev]

22 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Jeez man. You nearly gave me a heart attack there. I'm happily typing away in another thread with my head phones on. Quiet as until the notification sound launched in. Just off to change my underwear. ?

 

Good luck with the install. Remember , make sure you get rid of all the old and concentrate on getting vanilla stable before modding.

 

Hope yer undies are OK and hope you don't wear a thong!   ?

 

[Grey Cloud]

3 minutes ago, C5Kev said:

and hope you don't wear a thong!

Only at weekends . . . Doh!